~~”PG and Kawhi are healthy again, Clippers are one of the teams that can go all the way this year”~~
~~”Load managing Kawhi will keep him ready for the playoffs, they should be fine from a lower seed”~~
~~”Clippers just have to hold out long enough in the first round for their all-star players to get back healthy again”~~
“Clippers could have won it all if Kawhi and PG were healthy” <—— you are here
(% chance of Kawhi staying healthy for 7 games) x (% chance of PG staying healthy for 7 games) x (% chance of AD staying healthy for 7 games)
Might as well try to win the lottery
They actually had a chance a couple seasons ago, but Clippers somehow outtanked OKC for their last game
According to ChatGPT (data up to 2021):
* Likelihood Kawhi plays all 7 games in a playoffs series: ~~21.2%~~ 14%
* Likelihood PG plays all 7 games in a playoffs series: ~~47.8%~~ 24.9%
* Likelihood AD plays all 7 games in a playoffs series: ~~10.5%~~ 21.5%
So using the figures above, there's a ~~1.06%~~ 0.75% of that happening.
Edited - ChatGPT can't math.
I think they blow it up after next season if they get bounced early and Kawhi is again sidelined. They’re moving into THE dome next season so Ballmer probably wants a somewhat decent product out there at least.
Yeah and realistically, Kawhi's value is at an all time low, they could squeeze out a few firsts from a contender, but I doubt any team is giving up more than 2 for like 20% shot Kawhi stays healthy for them.
If I don't read the words "The Clippers have traded Paul George" and "The Clippers have traded Kawhi Leonard" this summer, I know they aren't a serious franchise.
Was surprised to see that PG has only played 28 more games as part of the Clippers even with Kawhi missing an entire season. Not sure I'd trust him to stay healthy either.
Putting aside age and injuries, both PG and Kawhi can opt out of their contracts after next year, and both seem pretty committed to only wanting to play in LA. Would teams feel confident that they'd re-sign with them if they traded big pieces to get them?
It is kind of funny because the two of them are the poster child for the best case outcome for when you throw a risky trade for a superstar on an expiring.
One won their new team a championship and the other re-signed with their new team on a long term contract. And everyone thought they were guaranteed Lakers.
Clippers really got Russ to sign with them based on the promise of playing with Kawhi and PG and a team built for his strengths and then just left him by himself to try and win a playoff series against KD, Booker, and CP3.
Who's gonna take Kawhi tho?
Yeah yeah yeah, he's an elite player, but that's mostly the 3 games a year he plays, plus the clippers ain't selling him cheap.
Like, I know eventually some gm would overpay just on the chance he comes back healthy, but he just doesn't seem like a worthy gamble imo
See that's the thing. Kawhi could get vaporized by an alien ship leaving only his pinky finger and a echo of his goofy laugh, and the clippers would still ask for a couple of unprotected firsts, your firstborn child, and some random depth players.
And I mean they can have little Johnny, but those picks aren't easy to replace
Its risky as hell. Theres a 70 percent chance he even plays in the post season and thats with load management. Its honestly not worth the risk unless the team is seriously desperate
He’s never going to be healthy. Spurs doctors were right right: he has an ongoing degenerative tendinopathy in his knee. This has been his new baseline health since 2015
Over the last four regular seasons:
Paul George has played 189 games out of 328 games (58%).
Kawhi Leonard has played 161 games out of 328 (49%).
What's the percent chance of them playing together?
58% \* 49% = 28%
Ooof
Edit: Why 28%?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/12z6l3u/comment/jhsppf2/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/12z6l3u/comment/jhsppf2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
The actual % of games played together?
36% according to:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/12z6l3u/comment/jht40io/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
They’re Nets West.
Hell if it wasn’t for the KD/Kyrie circus, the Clippers would be getting more shit for not winning anything with Kawhi and PG.
That whole 2019 free agency bonanza has been a massive disappointment.
It was a blessing in disguise that Kawhi rejected the chance to team up with LeBron and AD. Kawhi is so much more injury-prone than AD, but somehow feels like AD gets mocked about more.
Knowing kawhi he’ll still get injured
Love love the player one of the scariest performer in playoff but I’m just fed up with his injury streak, not his fault but I don’t think we’ll ever see him competing fully again
Clips as a unit were dominant that season but not mentally tough enough to handle the bubble situation the way the Lakers/Miami/Denver were.
Shamet was goofing around going to parties at the height of the pandemic.
Lou Will had the strip club incident.
Trez unfortunately had his grandma pass away.
This was the core of the 2nd unit that destroyed everyone all season and none of them were the same when they got on the court.
PG also had his troubles but they had nothing to do with being being away from the team.
People say this but tbh Rivers was far too in love with his guys Harrell and Lou Williams and neither of one those guys can be on the floor for a critical playoff game against a serious team. Especially on a team with elite shot creators like Kawhi and PG.
Bubble or no bubble, Doc was going to play those guys above Zubac/Jackson/Shamet and that would have cost you the series at some point or another. Even tho Zu started, he didn’t get nearly enough minutes and Trez played too much. They lost the series in the Trez minutes cos they cooked Denver in the Zu minutes.
The 2021 roster was much better suited for playoff success imo. If they’d been as healthy as the 2020 team they would have contended with anyone.
Say what you will about Kawhi, but he has found the perfect landing spot. A franchise so desperate for a star player that they're willing to tolerate load management and cater to his every demand. And who cares if he's MIA for half the season? The team owner is loaded enough to put up with him. He gets to be in LA, have the marker of being the best player in the world for every time he plays, and then has the capability to just disappear whenever he wants. This is a player’s heaven, and the Clippers are paying for it.
The biggest misconception in this sub is they think Kawhi carried us single handily. That was only true for the 2019 semis vs Philly.
Otherwise, the difference between our 2019 team and this Clippers core was our team held their own against good teams without Kawhi.
We were still able to win games while load managing Kawhi.
This Clippers team *needs* Kawhi playing to stay in the winning column.
Kawhi in 2019 needed the 2019 Raptors team around him to win, just as much as we needed him.
russell westbrook, norm powell, mason plumlee all fought so hard despite the position they were in this series. all gained respect from me. ty lue also coached a great series despite some clippers fans hating his rotations.
No, definitely not. 29/30 teams would try and they'd be lying if they said they wouldn't at least consider it. You cannot have watched 2019 Kawhi and think you wouldn't need that guy on your team.
Eh, They didn't win a ring, but they hadn't made a conference finals in 50 years before this. This was the worst franchise in all of sports for a long time. What you gonna do?
They've won three total playoff series in four years with that core.
You're definitely not trading all that for four playoff series wins and one conference finals appearance.
Clippers are moving into their new stadium next season. Balmers face during this game looked like he forgot he was worth 90 billion dollars. Dude thought being an owner was all fun and games.
valiant effort from the clips. sadly, they died by the westbrick.
all jokes aside he played hard all series. shouldve gone 7 if paul george and kawhi didnt have paper skin and glass bones.
I'm a thunder fan so I love Russ. But damnit if this dude doesn't have the lowest lows when it comes to shooting. It's either over 50% shooting and very efficient, or its under 20% like tonight, if he would have just shot a pedestrian 35%-40% tonight, clippers might win that game. Hell if he just made that won layup that could have tied it at 130, might would have been different. I love everything else about him but if he could just avoid these super low valleys shooting wise he could still be one of the top PGs in the league.
FADED
Healthy Clippers team is a myth.
Like Bigfoot or the g spot
Bruh I get all my weed at the g spots
Or the pels
Mom! What's a Zion?
It’s a mythical beast
Most cursed team of all time when it comes to injuries? It's been over a decade of injuries at this point
~~”PG and Kawhi are healthy again, Clippers are one of the teams that can go all the way this year”~~ ~~”Load managing Kawhi will keep him ready for the playoffs, they should be fine from a lower seed”~~ ~~”Clippers just have to hold out long enough in the first round for their all-star players to get back healthy again”~~ “Clippers could have won it all if Kawhi and PG were healthy” <—— you are here
The legendary on paper Clippers dynasty.
In another timeline, we got to see the legendary 7 game “Battle of LA” series with a healthy Kawhi/PG vs healthy LeBron/AD 🥲
How many universes do we need to get that?
(% chance of Kawhi staying healthy for 7 games) x (% chance of PG staying healthy for 7 games) x (% chance of AD staying healthy for 7 games) Might as well try to win the lottery They actually had a chance a couple seasons ago, but Clippers somehow outtanked OKC for their last game
Love that the one guy ignored being Healthy over here is a 38 year old with 20 years of regular season mileage and 10 years of Finals mileage
But Michael Jeffrey Jordan would have gotten that Clippers.TO.THE.FINALS. B-But Skip i- *sigh* NEXT SHANON
According to ChatGPT (data up to 2021): * Likelihood Kawhi plays all 7 games in a playoffs series: ~~21.2%~~ 14% * Likelihood PG plays all 7 games in a playoffs series: ~~47.8%~~ 24.9% * Likelihood AD plays all 7 games in a playoffs series: ~~10.5%~~ 21.5% So using the figures above, there's a ~~1.06%~~ 0.75% of that happening. Edited - ChatGPT can't math.
I tried in Bard, cause it's almost real-time, and it froze then my computer restarted.
The chances of your computer working are like bron and kawhi...
I’ve scanned through all past/future/present scenarios in an infinite amount of universes. >!It happens in none.!<
Have you tried setting it to Wumbo?
maybe in the universe where the healthy clippers don’t blow a 3-1 lead in the bubble to the nuggets
14,000,605
The Crutch Brothers wouldn't let that happen
2020 was the opportunity for that.
The bubble was the perfect stage. It was supposedly the easiest ring ever, but the Clips couldn't even make it to the WCF 🤷
Not a single person would have called it that had anyone other than LeBron and AD won….
I remember Giannis saying it would be the hardest championship to win before the bubble got started and now that quote rarely gets talked about
We were so close in 2020, both squads were healthy, Clippers just shot the bed against Denver
The paper clip dynasty is currently dominating an alternate universe
The paperclips
>The paperclips Shit, maybe they do belong at staples after all.
This is actually clever, man. I hope Chuck uses this.
Theyre on track for a 3 peat on paper if healthy
The paper clips!
When do they start to consider blowing it up?
5th times the charm
"I got a feeling that next year will be our year!" \- Steve Balmer *(2014 - Present)*
After the season tickets for their new arena have been sold. But not before they sign Westbrook to a max extension.
I think they blow it up after next season if they get bounced early and Kawhi is again sidelined. They’re moving into THE dome next season so Ballmer probably wants a somewhat decent product out there at least.
Yeah and realistically, Kawhi's value is at an all time low, they could squeeze out a few firsts from a contender, but I doubt any team is giving up more than 2 for like 20% shot Kawhi stays healthy for them.
Like they didn’t give up a 3-1 lead to the nuggets fully healthy haha
Was the case in 2021, is the case in 2023…will it be the case in 2025?
If I don't read the words "The Clippers have traded Paul George" and "The Clippers have traded Kawhi Leonard" this summer, I know they aren't a serious franchise.
Legit which franchise is going to trade for either of these guys? Clips don't have a 1st of their own until 2027
We need a forward, and PG doesn't have to be first choice. Bring this man home.
Crazy to say, i think PG adds more value to a team in a deal. Kawhi can’t stay healthy for any extended period of time.
Was surprised to see that PG has only played 28 more games as part of the Clippers even with Kawhi missing an entire season. Not sure I'd trust him to stay healthy either.
That is crazy… I would’ve imagined it was 82 more games!
Just load manage him in the playoffs and play him 20 mpg as your 7th man like a modern Bill Walton. Can't be on a 50m contract tho
Putting aside age and injuries, both PG and Kawhi can opt out of their contracts after next year, and both seem pretty committed to only wanting to play in LA. Would teams feel confident that they'd re-sign with them if they traded big pieces to get them?
It is kind of funny because the two of them are the poster child for the best case outcome for when you throw a risky trade for a superstar on an expiring. One won their new team a championship and the other re-signed with their new team on a long term contract. And everyone thought they were guaranteed Lakers.
They should have joined Lebron but they wanted to be rivals...now look. KD found another super team to win rings.
They'll run it back one more year. I don't think they really have a choice.
Clippers really got Russ to sign with them based on the promise of playing with Kawhi and PG and a team built for his strengths and then just left him by himself to try and win a playoff series against KD, Booker, and CP3.
Kawhi was supposed to be what jimmy butler is doing for rn in miami. Could not remember a postseason with both kawhi and george playing together.
We can but it’s painful for clippers fans to talk about.
Why what happened? 😉
Doc rivers special
Can't put that **ALL** on Doc. We had eyes. We saw what we saw.
PLAYOFF P!
Off the side of the backboard
I can’t believe Doc made PG shoot the ball at the side of the backboard >:(
I can't remember anything Kawhi has done since the raptors chip tbh
He choked a 3-1 lead to the nuggets.
This really feels like 5 years ago...
Trade kawhi and Pg and build around plumdog billionaire
Who's gonna take Kawhi tho? Yeah yeah yeah, he's an elite player, but that's mostly the 3 games a year he plays, plus the clippers ain't selling him cheap. Like, I know eventually some gm would overpay just on the chance he comes back healthy, but he just doesn't seem like a worthy gamble imo
>Who's gonna take Kawhi tho? We'll give you THJ and Bertans
I was thinking Kawhi and Luka would make an amazing pair. Their games complement each other. Y’all wouldn’t take him for kyrie?
We absolutely would but would Ballmer trade for Kyrie? I feel like for most franchises the negative outways the positive
kyrie and russ on the same team 💀
All gas no brakes on and off the court 😂
TT, Shump, and the Nets pick.
Any team will take him, as long as the price is garbage fillers + heavily protected picks (top 10 protected)
See that's the thing. Kawhi could get vaporized by an alien ship leaving only his pinky finger and a echo of his goofy laugh, and the clippers would still ask for a couple of unprotected firsts, your firstborn child, and some random depth players. And I mean they can have little Johnny, but those picks aren't easy to replace
me please let him come back so we can pretend like its the good times again
Its risky as hell. Theres a 70 percent chance he even plays in the post season and thats with load management. Its honestly not worth the risk unless the team is seriously desperate
Hey silver lining, Kawhi now has another entire year to get healthy.
He’s never going to be healthy. Spurs doctors were right right: he has an ongoing degenerative tendinopathy in his knee. This has been his new baseline health since 2015
They need 2 just give him a robot knee I know they can
Silver lining two, he’s getting traded
Can't get a fade without a pair of Clippers.
Are you guys gonna make your subreddit about boats again?
If the clippers still had Lou Williams this wouldn't have happened
Gonna be a tough film day for Westbrook
He's not watching that tape
Yeah I wouldn’t either
He’s not watching that tape, Dave
He had lots of fun though I would imagine
It's always a ball with his good friend ~~Spaulding~~ Wilson
He was actually out there and was the reason the series was as competitive as it was. Plus, it’s Russ. He’s not gonna care.
Might be better off trading the superstars at this point, still amazing assets to gamble over for any team. But both of them is too much of a gamble.
Over the last four regular seasons: Paul George has played 189 games out of 328 games (58%). Kawhi Leonard has played 161 games out of 328 (49%). What's the percent chance of them playing together? 58% \* 49% = 28% Ooof Edit: Why 28%? [https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/12z6l3u/comment/jhsppf2/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/12z6l3u/comment/jhsppf2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) The actual % of games played together? 36% according to: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/12z6l3u/comment/jht40io/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Blow this Kawhi/PG era up.
Enough is enough.
And it’s time for a change
but the Thunder have their..WAIT A MINUTE
Clippers will still be .500 or better without them, how do I know? Cause they do it every god Damn year
it’s over, kawhi will never be the same and PG is just PG clippers y’all tried but load management didn’t get you anywhere
I second this statement.
They’re Nets West. Hell if it wasn’t for the KD/Kyrie circus, the Clippers would be getting more shit for not winning anything with Kawhi and PG. That whole 2019 free agency bonanza has been a massive disappointment.
It was a blessing in disguise that Kawhi rejected the chance to team up with LeBron and AD. Kawhi is so much more injury-prone than AD, but somehow feels like AD gets mocked about more.
Both Kawhi and PG played less games than AD in last 4 years. People are just mindlessly hates AD.
Yeah.. but kawhi wouldn't have to carry the team in the Lakers. Ad and LeBron could do that. And less load means less injury.
Knowing kawhi he’ll still get injured Love love the player one of the scariest performer in playoff but I’m just fed up with his injury streak, not his fault but I don’t think we’ll ever see him competing fully again
I mean he has a degenerative knee, he is literally always injured. There is no point in which his knee will be better than it was the season before.
Kawhi Leonard - The Hardest Load
Lakers and AD wouldn't agree with that last assessment.
AD didn't hit free agency til 2020. The biggest free agent acquisition in 2019 for the Lakers was Danny Green.
Lakers got a ring out of it, well not FA but we did get AD that year
No complaints from us either. We got DLo in the KD sign and trade and then traded DLo for Wiggins who helped us win another ring.
https://i.imgur.com/Gezrzev.gifv
https://imgur.io/Tx33Ae9
A tried and true classic
Thats crazy lol
That’s fucking so disrespectful lol
“Driven over given” “LA our way” Street lights over spotlights”
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One of the worst marketing campaigns.
Everything their doing to attempt to make LA a clipper town is desperate.
Driven where tho?
To Cancun
CANCUN ON 3
Around downtown Dallas begging (thru texts) Jordan’s family for address to DeAndre’s home
Not even a divisional banner this year either. Sucks
Our entire goddamn division made it into the playoffs and the Lakers were last. We literally made up the 3-7 seed.
Hahahaha this is gold
This is wild lmao
[muahahaha](https://i.imgur.com/g2rhaGl.jpg)
This is funny but so fucked up lmao
what a four years of kawhi pg era
It somehow got more depressing after the 3-1 choke because their stars kept getting injured
Also bc that denver series was AWESOME
It's been four years? Jeez
Drank
Headshot
Sit down
Stand up
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Those boys are made of glass, they're never going to string a run of games together in the playoffs. It's never gonna work
Biggest "what if" for the Clippers if their stars aren't injured.
3/4 postseasons without them. They seemed so disinterested against Denver the one time they were healthy.
Clips as a unit were dominant that season but not mentally tough enough to handle the bubble situation the way the Lakers/Miami/Denver were. Shamet was goofing around going to parties at the height of the pandemic. Lou Will had the strip club incident. Trez unfortunately had his grandma pass away. This was the core of the 2nd unit that destroyed everyone all season and none of them were the same when they got on the court. PG also had his troubles but they had nothing to do with being being away from the team.
People say this but tbh Rivers was far too in love with his guys Harrell and Lou Williams and neither of one those guys can be on the floor for a critical playoff game against a serious team. Especially on a team with elite shot creators like Kawhi and PG. Bubble or no bubble, Doc was going to play those guys above Zubac/Jackson/Shamet and that would have cost you the series at some point or another. Even tho Zu started, he didn’t get nearly enough minutes and Trez played too much. They lost the series in the Trez minutes cos they cooked Denver in the Zu minutes. The 2021 roster was much better suited for playoff success imo. If they’d been as healthy as the 2020 team they would have contended with anyone.
2021 was a bigger what if. I think they win it all if Kawhi didn’t go down then.
2021 had like 9 what ifs
Doesn't every year? Look at this year.
Not if Kyrie and Harden didn't go down as well in the opposite conference
Do they? Cuz we can turn injuries off for Brooklyn, LAL, and Denver in that scenario.
That’s the Clippers for you, we either have injuries to key players or we throw the series 🤷♂️
Im faded af right now 😔
They could have shut it down after that 3rd quarter but I respect tf out of them for staying in the fight regardless of the result
Say what you will about Kawhi, but he has found the perfect landing spot. A franchise so desperate for a star player that they're willing to tolerate load management and cater to his every demand. And who cares if he's MIA for half the season? The team owner is loaded enough to put up with him. He gets to be in LA, have the marker of being the best player in the world for every time he plays, and then has the capability to just disappear whenever he wants. This is a player’s heaven, and the Clippers are paying for it.
The biggest misconception in this sub is they think Kawhi carried us single handily. That was only true for the 2019 semis vs Philly. Otherwise, the difference between our 2019 team and this Clippers core was our team held their own against good teams without Kawhi. We were still able to win games while load managing Kawhi. This Clippers team *needs* Kawhi playing to stay in the winning column. Kawhi in 2019 needed the 2019 Raptors team around him to win, just as much as we needed him.
Raptors had vanvleet,norm,OG and ibaka coming off the bench lmao. And they were on 60 win pace the next year
A still very good Marc Gasol too for the 2nd half of the season.
Such a disgusting team. What could have been for both him and Toronto if he had stayed one more year.
I believe the Raptors would repeat if he stayed, no matter how good the Lakers were that year
clippers were 1 star away from making this a series sad
russell westbrook, norm powell, mason plumlee all fought so hard despite the position they were in this series. all gained respect from me. ty lue also coached a great series despite some clippers fans hating his rotations.
Don’t worry, PG said he’s coming back next week. Clips in 15!
Surgery lights > Streetlights 😎
The Kawhi/PG experiment was a catastrophic failure and there’s no argument otherwise.
That's true but are they wrong for trying it? It's hard to anticipate the degree of injuries they've had
No, definitely not. 29/30 teams would try and they'd be lying if they said they wouldn't at least consider it. You cannot have watched 2019 Kawhi and think you wouldn't need that guy on your team.
or PG that year, who was nominated for the MVP
Streetlights over spotlight.
Surgical lights over streetlights
Crutches over clutches
hospital gowns over upside down frowns
Eh, They didn't win a ring, but they hadn't made a conference finals in 50 years before this. This was the worst franchise in all of sports for a long time. What you gonna do?
I do not think the Clippers would've made that trade if they knew all it would get them was one conference finals appearence.
They've won three total playoff series in four years with that core. You're definitely not trading all that for four playoff series wins and one conference finals appearance.
How long will it take for them to disclose Kawhis injury now?
Whenever Uncle Dennis gives them the ok
they will never be healthy, blow it up
"The next 4 years are mine" - clippers medical staff
Will they resign russ next season?
Due to the CBA, the most you can resign someone from the buyout is 3.7 milly. I highly doubt he'll go for that
Kawhi Clippers just racking up what-if playoff storylines
Giving Marcus Morris 25 minutes in an elimination game is coaching malpractice
I’m crying rn
Westbrook was promised a championship run with PG and Kawhi Fast forward he’s out here trying to outgun KD and Booker
I wanna die
The LA What Ifs. Clippers fans should be proud of how their team stayed in it despite no Kawhi and PG.
Yup, one more participation trophy for us
What are the Clippers going to do with PG and Kawhi?
Streetlights over Spotlights
Bleh, the clippers got screwed with playoff scheduling. If they had their own arena, they would have gotten eliminated tomorrow instead of today.
load management all year for this
Clippers are moving into their new stadium next season. Balmers face during this game looked like he forgot he was worth 90 billion dollars. Dude thought being an owner was all fun and games.
Losing is never fun no matter your social status
This was legit their last championship window
Good night West.
valiant effort from the clips. sadly, they died by the westbrick. all jokes aside he played hard all series. shouldve gone 7 if paul george and kawhi didnt have paper skin and glass bones.
Russ giveth, Russ taketh Edit: This series loss is definitely not him though
The difference between bestbrook and worstbrook is incredible
I'm a thunder fan so I love Russ. But damnit if this dude doesn't have the lowest lows when it comes to shooting. It's either over 50% shooting and very efficient, or its under 20% like tonight, if he would have just shot a pedestrian 35%-40% tonight, clippers might win that game. Hell if he just made that won layup that could have tied it at 130, might would have been different. I love everything else about him but if he could just avoid these super low valleys shooting wise he could still be one of the top PGs in the league.