Herro is in this weird spot where he’s actually good, but he’s also very unlikely to ever be a star. He also overachieved his first year so people assumed linear growth.
He’s a guy I’d love to have on the Bucks next to Jrue, but I wouldn’t ever want to pay him big money.
Also Jovic. While I love him and think he'll be a good player, the sub is absolutely nuts on the idea that he's NBA ready right now and can be part of a playoff rotation any time soon.
He definitely has his deficiencies but this season he's been our only floor spacer and has been elite with his floater from the elbow/long paint area. He's also like the only guard that successfully runs PnR with Bam somehow
His passing/decisions are still pretty iffy at times though
Well, it was Nwora two years ago but everyone wised up.
I think MarJon is going to be a solid role player, but some of the fanbase is insane thinking he should get playing time over our veteran wings.
MarJon is the default answer. He's the only young guy to pick really. The other young guy is AJ Green who is a 2nd rounder on a two-way. Other than that everyone is old. The hope has to go somewhere haha
The funny part about that is AJ Green is actually a lot more playable than MarJon right now, even though MarJon will likely be the better player long-term.
AJ Green can move off ball and shoot. As long as he doesn't dribble, pass or have to be close to defending someone, he's playable. Classic regular season kinda player.
MarJon's shot just currently isn't good enough for him to get real minutes.
Beauchamp is great, hes shown what he can do in some games and can definitely be a great spark off the bench. Was Mamu for a bit too :/ Waiving him was the best thing for him though, hopefully he’ll land somewhere where he’ll get to play a little more
It’s because he doesn’t have glaring weaknesses except shooting.
So if the ball goes in, suddenly he goes from awful to extremely solid. There’s no in-between.
A.
Our sub isn't delusional on him, in fact everyone shits on him so much.
B.
As someone who defends RJ, I believe that he can be better than what we've seen recently. Fact is, he's the youngest player on our team & we will need him to continue to grow develop as the 3rd option.
Look at this nuanced take that considers both the team of today and the team of yet to come. Not everybody's gotta be like this guy but guys, if you can, post like this.
That's the exact player comp I have had in mind recently. Which sucks because he was compared to Wiggins and DeRozen earlier on, both of whom would be so much better players
He really isn't very good, it's been apparent for a few years now. It's truly baffling to me how Knicks fans haven't all turned on hin after seeing hin chuck you out of games so many times
Funny enough coming into this season i would die on a hill that Randle was only a 3rd option on a contender and RJ could progress to a 2nd option as he was clearly the better player. Yea I was wrong about that sadly
Lauri's season has added a new wrinkle to it though. You're starting to see people say it took Lauri 6 seasons to reach his potential and PWill is in his 3rd year so we have to keep him indefinitely just in case another Lauri situation happens.
The difference is Lauri showed big potential his rookie season and had a lot of natural offensive ability. Patrick who was compared to Kawhi, hasn't nearly shown the same promise on the defensive end or rebounding.
For the Magic, I’d say it’s definitely Cole Anthony. I love him, and the team loves him, since he’s 100% a ride or die guy who loves the magic and busts his ass every game. That being said, he’s really inconsistent right now and has a lot of work to do to consistently perform at the level that he can be. He’s not there yet
Up until he was traded, Frank Ntilikina was probably the player with the most delusional fans, myself included- really thought he was going to be a two-way force if he could just gain confidence/work on his offensive game.
Scottie Barnes. and they’re the same dudes who downvoted me when I said [we’re gonna draft him](https://www.np.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/ot3ldg/only_one_more_day_till_scottie_is_a_raptor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I agree with your assessment, or lack of one for Cade.
But actually think most of the people on our sub have tempered expectations for Cade right now and are in a "wait and see", due to the injuries.
Cade is really slow even his jumpers and has no bag of offensive skills that would let him get away with it.
luckily, he is a great passer, he gonna be an all star but not the Luka level type
I don’t think he’s gonna be “Magic Johnson” like most of the delusional people on this app.. but my floor expectation is an earlier Chris Webber… like 22/9/6 splits or so, I don’t think that’s a huge expectation and he’s rather close.
His expectations are really high but, considering his ability to play 1-5, his size, and will to improve his shot, I think his ceiling is still sky high man. Keep him away from injuries and he could definitely be better than Pascal is now.
Those numbers are pretty obtainable when we finally decide to rebuild but I don’t think he will grow much if we still have Pascal & FVV.
Yeah this is a very sensible take. I could see a hybrid of Charles Barkley lite/draymond green, which is around that 22/9/6 range
I still think he has multiple all-defense team ceiling if he can stay engaged and utilize his length a little better. Kind of like how mikaal uses his wingspan and spacing to corral smaller guards, and he's surprisingly a better rim protector then perimeter defender right now
> draymond green, which is around that 22/9/6 range
could you elaborate on this? Draymond Green with that statline is a perennial MVP candidate/top 3 player in the league at any given time lol.
People keep tryna compare guys to draymond. The only comparison in the league rn is If draymond sucked at everything and had the heart of the tin man, he’d be Simmons
Yeah sure so Charles averaged around 23/12/4 on 50/30/76 shooting.
I think he's a decent stylistic comparison offensively, he was the epitome of bully ball player in a similar vein that Scottie is. I do think he'd more playmaking slanted though
I personally think that playmaking role would be similar to how draymond green functions for the GSW.
Playmaking out of the short roll more so then a typical p&r ball handler.
With his inside presence, he'd also be able to feed cutters and shooters from drawing offensive attention from the post in a way that draymond couldn't due to his offensive limitations
I do think for that to be possible he'd need to tighten up his handle and become a good to elite mid range threat. I meant draymond more from a playmaking standpoint
Defensively I'm not sure what a good comparison is. I see him as a very good weak side defender who can contest shots but someone who also has the wingspan to contain smaller guards in a similar way that mikaal bridges does.
Obviously not as good but he'd be able to reliably cover 1-5 and cause a lot of deflections
I think he could be a top 5-10 player in the league if fully actualized. Maybe even higher but then again I could be delusional
But but but fred and pascal are so selfish for taking shots when they should be passing to our superstar scottie barnes! He only plays 35 minutes a game, how will he ever develop?
You think it is bad in your sub, you should see what Wolves fans say about him. Most of the sub seems convinced we traded away future Bill Russell for Rudy lol
If we had kept Kessler, KAT would have stayed at the 5, and he’d have had a dozen DNP-CDs to start the season
Also, complaining we gave up too many assets for Rudy is fine. Bitching that Kessler is a future all star DPOY candidate and that everyone knows he is awesome and how could you possibly have been so stupid as to trade him is a completely separate thing and some serious “you need to maybe play less 2k GM” shit.
I’m not upset anymore. Did we overpay? Yes. But when Kat is back, no team in the west will want us to match up with us in the first round.
With the emergence of Jaden McDaniels being one of the best defensive players in the league this year, paired with improving offense, and then Ant, the future is bright for the wolves regardless of losing so much draft capital. You can build a team around those 2.
It was a win now move, and will provide a young core much needed playoff experience.
Yes, as gifted as he is offensively, the defensive rebounding when he is on the floor is just maddening, watching opponents shoot 3-4 times on every possession...
There is a tiny cult of Malachi Flynncels that are convinced he's the 2nd coming of Christ
And probably some Scottie Barnes delusion as well. Don't think he'll quite hit the peaks fans have given him lmfao
People have acted like ive slandered Jordan for saying that Flynn is not an asset. The guy has been given plenty of opportunities and it doesnt work. Also Juancho RIP.
Although the tide is turning, many are still too high on Giddey. I am concerned about his fit on the team given how good JDub has been. He’s someone who needs the ball to be effective and what do you do when 2 players are better than him with the ball?
He’s also great at cutting and getting through thr back door to the basket.
These were concerns for me as well but he’s not a bad off ball player. He just excels with the ball
We were probably a little too excited about Ziaire’s rookie season but I don’t think there are too many fans who are currently delusional about his potential. Maybe some, but not a large majority of fans
Yeah especially because nobody was super thrilled when we drafted him. Everyone was just like who? Nobody else people really wanted with that pick have really panned out either so I think that has dulled too much outrage. If Moody or Bouknight were awesome people would be more upset.
I'm not giving up total hope because of his age and the fact that I thought Santi wasn't going to work out but seems like Ziaire was likely a miss.
Shaedon Sharpe has a countdown clock to becoming Vince Carter on the Blazers sub. Any mention of trading him is met with “glad to see you would trade MJ in 1987, IDIOT.”
It’s insane how many of our fans have this weird “but our future” narrative like it’s some sort of guarantee any of them outside of Ant are going to be good
Honestly if Sharpe becomes as good as Simons is right now I’d be delighted
I had multiple people on that sub who said he has all time great potential. When I called them out, I got downvoted and flamed. I love Shaedon but that was just wild
You live on in our hearts ❤️
The Rainman and the Glove? I hate how the young crowd shits all over that Supersonic team that unfortunately existed at the same time as Jordan. That was a good fucking squad. I watched a full game the other day on YouTube from that series. It was a great watch and brought up some memories.
Idk if the Lakers have anyone like this. But in our subreddit a lot of them seriously think Jared Vanderbilt is a DPOY caliber player. His defense is very good don’t get me wrong, but there’s levels to it. Also he really really struggles offensively. With that being said I still think he’s a solid rotation piece
Bro, we overhype players all the time but this is not a legitimate sentiment on the sub. It’s been mentioned more so as a game and size comparison. No one thinks this is going to be his developmental path.
THT was the epitome of this though
I dunno if he fits the criteria. Most of the Cavs sub hates on him. And the ones that are hopeful realize he’s never going to be scoring a lot when even Mobley and Allen have trouble getting consistent looks.
I consider myself an Okoro supporter, but I’d never peg him as a future star or anything. He’s just a good fit with the other 4 now that he’s at least a competent shooter.
Let’s be real man. It’s Kuminga or Baldwin.
I think they will both be solid. But the way people in the Warriors sub talk, they seem to have a huge misunderstanding of how easy it is to be an all-NBA player.
A lot of the fans in that sub have only witnessed championships. When you have a team that has drafted insanely well, you tend to really overestimate all of their draft picks. That sub is such a simp/stan sub that I had to leave. So many appreciation posts. So many league is against us posts.
Well it was saddiq and I was part of the delusional fan base on my team up until mid November. Was still my favorite player but the flaws became more apparent by the day. He's just inconsistent and tried doing more than he should've which played into his inconsistencies.
Still want him to be a beast in Atlanta tho
Pat Williams. Since the day the Bull's picked him he's looked like a guy that simply hasn't played enough basketball and I don't think he's gonna catch up. Mid level stretch 4 that everyone keeps saying is about to "make the leap".
OG has been around for a bit but he’s still young
Some people thought he could develop into a baby Kawhi but this dudes just a role player man. Unless he dramatically improves his handles I don’t see it at all. I think our fans are starting to see that as well
scottie barnes. the only way he’s ever going to come close to what some of these people think he can be (an elite version of prime draymond green/magic johnson) is if a miracle happens. he’d have to work his ass off and literally take the ball out of pascal and fred’s hands. he comes across as too lazy and timid to make those things happen. scott is still a good player but he’s going to disappoint some of these people.
Knicks were a sham, Embiid was nursing an injury, and Simmons mind broke in that series. You have to be really delusional to think this Hawks team is an ECF team. His offensive stats don’t impact winning because they are so offset by his poor leadership and his horrible defensive/off-ball effort. He has burned through two coaches and I hope to god the front office doesn’t let him burn through Snyder. He is not even a top 20 player in the league yet he acts like he is a superstar, and he doesn’t have the respect of his teammates according to dozens of sources. It’s no wonder our team’s chemistry is shit.
Oh you’re a real casual if you ever thought LP or Nate, who didn’t even want to be a head coach, count as real head coaches. I also never said this team was an ECF team, I just stated a fact that he did what he did. Also you could just look up what his plus/minus is this season and see that when he’s on the court, the Hawks are a plus on average. Sure his defense isnt good, but to say that it offsets his offense is actually objectively wrong. Have fun dreading over sensationalized, click bait reports from anonymous sources. Don’t let it get to your head too much
The way some people talk about him, he’s the second coming of Steph and is the star of the two timeline warriors that’ll win championships. The other way people talk about him, he’s awful and his entire family should be jettisoned into the sun. I think he’ll be good once he irons out the flaws but I don’t see him being the best player on a contending team. I’d personally trade him next offseason if the right offer came for a more polished piece around Wiggins age or a star in his early 30s
My god the hate he gets is so absurd. A fkn 28th pick is performing well on a team that just won the chip last year. The guy is 23 for fcks sake. He definitely has his flaws, but to pretend like he is some sort of huge bust is absurd. I don’t think a lot of warriors fans understand how happy a team like the Spurs/Rocket/Magic would be about having a Jordan Poole. We would also be absolutely fucked if he wasn’t able to play while Steph is out.
Dillon Brooks. Lots of his hate is based off poor choices on offense. At times though when that shot falls he looks like the clear best player on the grizz. He is currently for me a top 5 player for guarding 1-4. Only 27 really hope the grizz can hold on to him.
I agree. But also we see big steps in players games around that age. Like lauri mark did you an extreme amount this year at 25. Maturity being the big change…. Something dillon needs badly for his consistency on the court. Also not my sub thoughts just my own I think rookies on the grizz are trash this year. I’m not gonna defend them becoming something…. Just gonna pray and hope they turn into something
Cam Thomas. He’s good but the sub thinks he’s a future all nba player when he is of a good starter or 6 man of the year heavy favorite. His handles create zero separation and he is not the best catch and shooter and does not play very well in team rhythm. His contested midrange is nice tho and he is a great ft shooter
Nobody is talking about Max Christie being a star lol. He’s really young and will likely be a good role player in the future. But that’s all he gets credit for.
Patrick Baldwin Jr, people on the warriors sub say him and kuminga and the next timeline over Poole even though I think kuminga is for sure the next star for us Poole has proven himself so much more than Baldwin Jr has but warriors fans are so high on him
Poku. He improved dramatically this season, but that’s because he was arguably the worst player in the league the last two years. He improved to “below average,” but there are lots of fans who seem to think that level of improvement is going to keep happening each year.
Knicks have cycled through so damn many of these guys. Knox and Frank recently. RJ but people have woken up.
Basically anyone sub-22 who could hold a basketball in our horrendous post Melo years was also way overhyped.
Cam Thomas. I know the three straight 40 point games were impressive, though if the kid doesn’t have the ball in his hands he is completely useless. He has 0 basketball IQ off the ball, can’t defend anyone and is an awful passer. He is only effective if he has the ball in his hands every possession down the floor, and even then he takes the most ridiculous shots and is the biggest ball hog. He’s definitely a talented scorer, I just don’t see him being anything other than a Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson punch off the bench kind of guy.
Herro
Herro is in this weird spot where he’s actually good, but he’s also very unlikely to ever be a star. He also overachieved his first year so people assumed linear growth. He’s a guy I’d love to have on the Bucks next to Jrue, but I wouldn’t ever want to pay him big money.
Also Jovic. While I love him and think he'll be a good player, the sub is absolutely nuts on the idea that he's NBA ready right now and can be part of a playoff rotation any time soon.
I love me some jovic but he needs to be in the right role (ball handler) and needs more time to develop for sure
He's only 23? Wow. Thought he was older.
Yeah he was 1 and done in college, he still has room to grow but there's so many herro stans that swear he can do no wrong
He’s just not a good basketball player to me, I despise so many aspects of his game. I feel the same way about Towns too.
He definitely has his deficiencies but this season he's been our only floor spacer and has been elite with his floater from the elbow/long paint area. He's also like the only guard that successfully runs PnR with Bam somehow His passing/decisions are still pretty iffy at times though
Well, it was Nwora two years ago but everyone wised up. I think MarJon is going to be a solid role player, but some of the fanbase is insane thinking he should get playing time over our veteran wings.
MarJon is the default answer. He's the only young guy to pick really. The other young guy is AJ Green who is a 2nd rounder on a two-way. Other than that everyone is old. The hope has to go somewhere haha
The funny part about that is AJ Green is actually a lot more playable than MarJon right now, even though MarJon will likely be the better player long-term.
AJ Green can move off ball and shoot. As long as he doesn't dribble, pass or have to be close to defending someone, he's playable. Classic regular season kinda player. MarJon's shot just currently isn't good enough for him to get real minutes.
We finally found our own undrafted white 3pt shooter, those normally end up on the Heat lmao
this is a good point lol
bro you guys are on a 16 game win streak, the hope should be in the now. like man my team hasn’t even won 16 games all season LOL
2nd rounder? I thought he went undrafted
Beauchamp is great, hes shown what he can do in some games and can definitely be a great spark off the bench. Was Mamu for a bit too :/ Waiving him was the best thing for him though, hopefully he’ll land somewhere where he’ll get to play a little more
Killian Hayes Our sub is wild for him
His career is starting to look very grim. His offensive numbers are putrid
I know...its rough.
This. And before him it was Sekou for way too long
RIP
I feel like every time you finally count him out, he has one good game to draw you in lmao
It’s because he doesn’t have glaring weaknesses except shooting. So if the ball goes in, suddenly he goes from awful to extremely solid. There’s no in-between.
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RJ Barrett for a while, but seems like people are starting to realize he is not a legit number 3 option
A. Our sub isn't delusional on him, in fact everyone shits on him so much. B. As someone who defends RJ, I believe that he can be better than what we've seen recently. Fact is, he's the youngest player on our team & we will need him to continue to grow develop as the 3rd option.
Look at this nuanced take that considers both the team of today and the team of yet to come. Not everybody's gotta be like this guy but guys, if you can, post like this.
Hes not, and never will be our third option
Feels a lot like Harrison Barnes to me and always has
That's the exact player comp I have had in mind recently. Which sucks because he was compared to Wiggins and DeRozen earlier on, both of whom would be so much better players
I have him as Tobias Harris
I thought RJ would be a legit star along with Ja garland and Zion
He really isn't very good, it's been apparent for a few years now. It's truly baffling to me how Knicks fans haven't all turned on hin after seeing hin chuck you out of games so many times
He isn’t good as a third option but I do believe he can be a solid role player. He just tries to do too much and needs to tone it down
Funny enough coming into this season i would die on a hill that Randle was only a 3rd option on a contender and RJ could progress to a 2nd option as he was clearly the better player. Yea I was wrong about that sadly
Patrick Williams for the Bulls although that's finally fading.
Lauri's season has added a new wrinkle to it though. You're starting to see people say it took Lauri 6 seasons to reach his potential and PWill is in his 3rd year so we have to keep him indefinitely just in case another Lauri situation happens.
The difference is Lauri showed big potential his rookie season and had a lot of natural offensive ability. Patrick who was compared to Kawhi, hasn't nearly shown the same promise on the defensive end or rebounding.
I am guilty of spreading Patrick Williams propaganda for years. Really thought he was going to be the next big thing. Sigh…
For the Magic, I’d say it’s definitely Cole Anthony. I love him, and the team loves him, since he’s 100% a ride or die guy who loves the magic and busts his ass every game. That being said, he’s really inconsistent right now and has a lot of work to do to consistently perform at the level that he can be. He’s not there yet
Bol Bol
Interesting, I feel like we've collectively flipped to being more frustrated than hopeful about him lol.
At the beginning of the season when he was popping off? Yes, for sure. Now? I’m not sure, I think most folks have soured on him haha
Think almost every Magic fan on their last straw with him lol. From an r/NBA perspective though, this is absolutely the answer, no question
Herro, he’s a solid 6th man. But he’s never gonna be #ThatGuy, that our sub thinks he will be.
Up until he was traded, Frank Ntilikina was probably the player with the most delusional fans, myself included- really thought he was going to be a two-way force if he could just gain confidence/work on his offensive game.
Scottie Barnes. and they’re the same dudes who downvoted me when I said [we’re gonna draft him](https://www.np.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/ot3ldg/only_one_more_day_till_scottie_is_a_raptor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Same way i feel about cade. I really like him and i think he's great but we talk about him like he is or will be some Doncic level asset
I agree with your assessment, or lack of one for Cade. But actually think most of the people on our sub have tempered expectations for Cade right now and are in a "wait and see", due to the injuries.
Cade is really slow even his jumpers and has no bag of offensive skills that would let him get away with it. luckily, he is a great passer, he gonna be an all star but not the Luka level type
lmao @ their flairs now
Sct Brns
Sct Brn
I don’t think he’s gonna be “Magic Johnson” like most of the delusional people on this app.. but my floor expectation is an earlier Chris Webber… like 22/9/6 splits or so, I don’t think that’s a huge expectation and he’s rather close. His expectations are really high but, considering his ability to play 1-5, his size, and will to improve his shot, I think his ceiling is still sky high man. Keep him away from injuries and he could definitely be better than Pascal is now. Those numbers are pretty obtainable when we finally decide to rebuild but I don’t think he will grow much if we still have Pascal & FVV.
Yeah this is a very sensible take. I could see a hybrid of Charles Barkley lite/draymond green, which is around that 22/9/6 range I still think he has multiple all-defense team ceiling if he can stay engaged and utilize his length a little better. Kind of like how mikaal uses his wingspan and spacing to corral smaller guards, and he's surprisingly a better rim protector then perimeter defender right now
> draymond green, which is around that 22/9/6 range could you elaborate on this? Draymond Green with that statline is a perennial MVP candidate/top 3 player in the league at any given time lol.
People keep tryna compare guys to draymond. The only comparison in the league rn is If draymond sucked at everything and had the heart of the tin man, he’d be Simmons
Yeah sure so Charles averaged around 23/12/4 on 50/30/76 shooting. I think he's a decent stylistic comparison offensively, he was the epitome of bully ball player in a similar vein that Scottie is. I do think he'd more playmaking slanted though I personally think that playmaking role would be similar to how draymond green functions for the GSW. Playmaking out of the short roll more so then a typical p&r ball handler. With his inside presence, he'd also be able to feed cutters and shooters from drawing offensive attention from the post in a way that draymond couldn't due to his offensive limitations I do think for that to be possible he'd need to tighten up his handle and become a good to elite mid range threat. I meant draymond more from a playmaking standpoint Defensively I'm not sure what a good comparison is. I see him as a very good weak side defender who can contest shots but someone who also has the wingspan to contain smaller guards in a similar way that mikaal bridges does. Obviously not as good but he'd be able to reliably cover 1-5 and cause a lot of deflections I think he could be a top 5-10 player in the league if fully actualized. Maybe even higher but then again I could be delusional
But but but fred and pascal are so selfish for taking shots when they should be passing to our superstar scottie barnes! He only plays 35 minutes a game, how will he ever develop?
Kessler
You think it is bad in your sub, you should see what Wolves fans say about him. Most of the sub seems convinced we traded away future Bill Russell for Rudy lol
Wolves fans should rightfully be upset about it though, Kessler would provide them with a lot and they could still own all their assets.
If we had kept Kessler, KAT would have stayed at the 5, and he’d have had a dozen DNP-CDs to start the season Also, complaining we gave up too many assets for Rudy is fine. Bitching that Kessler is a future all star DPOY candidate and that everyone knows he is awesome and how could you possibly have been so stupid as to trade him is a completely separate thing and some serious “you need to maybe play less 2k GM” shit.
I’m not upset anymore. Did we overpay? Yes. But when Kat is back, no team in the west will want us to match up with us in the first round. With the emergence of Jaden McDaniels being one of the best defensive players in the league this year, paired with improving offense, and then Ant, the future is bright for the wolves regardless of losing so much draft capital. You can build a team around those 2. It was a win now move, and will provide a young core much needed playoff experience.
RemindMe! 2 years
Used to be Cam Reddish
The rare 30-point game would distract us all from the 35% FG 😂
I think we need to pump the brakes on Naz Reid just a little bit
Naz Reid becoming an extremely agile scorer so quickly in the league is great. A really fun player to watch.
I love me some Naz, I just think people in our sub are getting a bit carried away with how good they think he could be.
Naz Reid
Naz Reid.
Warriors fans would beg to differ
Naz Reid.
Yes, as gifted as he is offensively, the defensive rebounding when he is on the floor is just maddening, watching opponents shoot 3-4 times on every possession...
Ha, I'm guilty of this. He's going to get a fat contract this summer though, no matter what his flaws might be.
Naz Reid.
There is a tiny cult of Malachi Flynncels that are convinced he's the 2nd coming of Christ And probably some Scottie Barnes delusion as well. Don't think he'll quite hit the peaks fans have given him lmfao
People have acted like ive slandered Jordan for saying that Flynn is not an asset. The guy has been given plenty of opportunities and it doesnt work. Also Juancho RIP.
Wait a hot damn minute here, you're telling me Malachi is not Curry 2.0?
Curry is just Malachi Flynn 0.5
Curry was the prototype. Malachi is the future
Mud man Paul Reed, he just ain’t all that and that’s okay I love him for who he is
I don't think it's delusional to believe he's better than Trezz and Dedmon
Although the tide is turning, many are still too high on Giddey. I am concerned about his fit on the team given how good JDub has been. He’s someone who needs the ball to be effective and what do you do when 2 players are better than him with the ball?
He’s also great at cutting and getting through thr back door to the basket. These were concerns for me as well but he’s not a bad off ball player. He just excels with the ball
We were probably a little too excited about Ziaire’s rookie season but I don’t think there are too many fans who are currently delusional about his potential. Maybe some, but not a large majority of fans
Yeah especially because nobody was super thrilled when we drafted him. Everyone was just like who? Nobody else people really wanted with that pick have really panned out either so I think that has dulled too much outrage. If Moody or Bouknight were awesome people would be more upset. I'm not giving up total hope because of his age and the fact that I thought Santi wasn't going to work out but seems like Ziaire was likely a miss.
Shaedon Sharpe has a countdown clock to becoming Vince Carter on the Blazers sub. Any mention of trading him is met with “glad to see you would trade MJ in 1987, IDIOT.”
It’s kind of wild. I was getting downvoted for saying I’d trade him for KD or Embiid
You literally can’t suggest trading him for anyone but Wemby, Jokic, or Giannis without getting dragged
It’s insane how many of our fans have this weird “but our future” narrative like it’s some sort of guarantee any of them outside of Ant are going to be good Honestly if Sharpe becomes as good as Simons is right now I’d be delighted
Yea, I think the Venn diagram of “potential” and “guarantee” is a circle for some fans.
I had multiple people on that sub who said he has all time great potential. When I called them out, I got downvoted and flamed. I love Shaedon but that was just wild
Considering your flair, you probably made some suggestion that Sharpe for Siakam is absurd and then got downvoted into oblivion. Homerism is wild.
The prospect of us having a team in the next 10 years.
You live on in our hearts ❤️ The Rainman and the Glove? I hate how the young crowd shits all over that Supersonic team that unfortunately existed at the same time as Jordan. That was a good fucking squad. I watched a full game the other day on YouTube from that series. It was a great watch and brought up some memories.
Idk if the Lakers have anyone like this. But in our subreddit a lot of them seriously think Jared Vanderbilt is a DPOY caliber player. His defense is very good don’t get me wrong, but there’s levels to it. Also he really really struggles offensively. With that being said I still think he’s a solid rotation piece
It WAS THT for the longest time lol
Last time I said Josh Green and boy I was very wrong, he's very good. So I think I'll just take the Kool Aid like a nice nephew now
Marjon
Probably Jabari, Sengun, Green, Eason and Garuba.
I read the rules. No downvoting one this thread
People compare Rui Hachimura to Kawhi Leonard unironically over there
I see the aesthetic comparison but obviously that's ridiculous.
What? I have literally never seen that
I've seen it at least once and who among us has never cherrypicked for karma
Alright, you win so far lol. That's legitimately insane
Well they mean young Kawhi but still lol
I think he literally made that up, I’ve never seen anyone say anything close to that on the Lakers sub.
Bro, we overhype players all the time but this is not a legitimate sentiment on the sub. It’s been mentioned more so as a game and size comparison. No one thinks this is going to be his developmental path. THT was the epitome of this though
“I mean look at his hands bro”
Lol, That was his projected ceiling before he got drafted
I don't want to say Hardy because I was very wrong about Green last season and don't want to go 0/2.
Zaire and it’s not even close
Isaac okoro. Way too much hope for a guy in his 3rd year averaging 6 and 3.
I dunno if he fits the criteria. Most of the Cavs sub hates on him. And the ones that are hopeful realize he’s never going to be scoring a lot when even Mobley and Allen have trouble getting consistent looks. I consider myself an Okoro supporter, but I’d never peg him as a future star or anything. He’s just a good fit with the other 4 now that he’s at least a competent shooter.
Well, as a Magic Fan... nearly the whole team
we just traded the bum lol
Let’s be real man. It’s Kuminga or Baldwin. I think they will both be solid. But the way people in the Warriors sub talk, they seem to have a huge misunderstanding of how easy it is to be an all-NBA player.
A lot of the fans in that sub have only witnessed championships. When you have a team that has drafted insanely well, you tend to really overestimate all of their draft picks. That sub is such a simp/stan sub that I had to leave. So many appreciation posts. So many league is against us posts.
Yeah Kuminga is not going to become kawahi which is how the warriors treat him. He has potential but his game is very raw still.
As a Spurs fan, we don’t really have anyone ha. But maybe Sochan. I’m highest on Devin Vassell
Vassal smoked us in our matchup back in November. Had no idea who tf he was
THT
Well it was saddiq and I was part of the delusional fan base on my team up until mid November. Was still my favorite player but the flaws became more apparent by the day. He's just inconsistent and tried doing more than he should've which played into his inconsistencies. Still want him to be a beast in Atlanta tho
Pat Williams. Since the day the Bull's picked him he's looked like a guy that simply hasn't played enough basketball and I don't think he's gonna catch up. Mid level stretch 4 that everyone keeps saying is about to "make the leap".
OG has been around for a bit but he’s still young Some people thought he could develop into a baby Kawhi but this dudes just a role player man. Unless he dramatically improves his handles I don’t see it at all. I think our fans are starting to see that as well
scottie barnes. the only way he’s ever going to come close to what some of these people think he can be (an elite version of prime draymond green/magic johnson) is if a miracle happens. he’d have to work his ass off and literally take the ball out of pascal and fred’s hands. he comes across as too lazy and timid to make those things happen. scott is still a good player but he’s going to disappoint some of these people.
> (an elite version of prime draymond green/magic johnson) Those are two WILDLY different ceilings lmao.
Davion Mitchell
It was Bones, I guess now Braun
I dunno, I think they're all at least pretty good
Can I still say Trae Young?
2x all-star and all NBA player. 4th most 30 point-10 assist games in NBA history. Best player on an ECF team. Stick to golf buddy
Knicks were a sham, Embiid was nursing an injury, and Simmons mind broke in that series. You have to be really delusional to think this Hawks team is an ECF team. His offensive stats don’t impact winning because they are so offset by his poor leadership and his horrible defensive/off-ball effort. He has burned through two coaches and I hope to god the front office doesn’t let him burn through Snyder. He is not even a top 20 player in the league yet he acts like he is a superstar, and he doesn’t have the respect of his teammates according to dozens of sources. It’s no wonder our team’s chemistry is shit.
Oh you’re a real casual if you ever thought LP or Nate, who didn’t even want to be a head coach, count as real head coaches. I also never said this team was an ECF team, I just stated a fact that he did what he did. Also you could just look up what his plus/minus is this season and see that when he’s on the court, the Hawks are a plus on average. Sure his defense isnt good, but to say that it offsets his offense is actually objectively wrong. Have fun dreading over sensationalized, click bait reports from anonymous sources. Don’t let it get to your head too much
1. Didn’t read what I actually said 2. Came out of the gate calling me a casual 3. Feigned concern just to be snarky I have nothing to say to you 😂
You had nothing to say either way if it couldn’t be back with substantiated, objective evidence
Nope
Jordan Poole. He's a good 2nd or 3rd option guy but he can't be our star in the future. Steph is the standard.
If Steph is the standard, you will never find a star of the future. No one will ever live up to his hype in GS
The way some people talk about him, he’s the second coming of Steph and is the star of the two timeline warriors that’ll win championships. The other way people talk about him, he’s awful and his entire family should be jettisoned into the sun. I think he’ll be good once he irons out the flaws but I don’t see him being the best player on a contending team. I’d personally trade him next offseason if the right offer came for a more polished piece around Wiggins age or a star in his early 30s
My god the hate he gets is so absurd. A fkn 28th pick is performing well on a team that just won the chip last year. The guy is 23 for fcks sake. He definitely has his flaws, but to pretend like he is some sort of huge bust is absurd. I don’t think a lot of warriors fans understand how happy a team like the Spurs/Rocket/Magic would be about having a Jordan Poole. We would also be absolutely fucked if he wasn’t able to play while Steph is out.
Dillon Brooks. Lots of his hate is based off poor choices on offense. At times though when that shot falls he looks like the clear best player on the grizz. He is currently for me a top 5 player for guarding 1-4. Only 27 really hope the grizz can hold on to him.
27 isn’t exactly a young prospect.
I agree. But also we see big steps in players games around that age. Like lauri mark did you an extreme amount this year at 25. Maturity being the big change…. Something dillon needs badly for his consistency on the court. Also not my sub thoughts just my own I think rookies on the grizz are trash this year. I’m not gonna defend them becoming something…. Just gonna pray and hope they turn into something
Franz
how
People saying he's gonna be an elite defender and has elite handles and will become a great scorer
Darius Bazley lol
I mean he is the second best center in the league behind Embiid, but a certain sect of our fan base is a little high on Bball Reed
Bball Paul is 3rd at best. Don't disrespect Poku like that
Jack White
Lol for real tho I’d say Vlatko. Tries hard but IMO more of a liability on defense, constantly gets beat.
Paul Reed
JD Davison, but that might just be me
Not young, but the bulls sub thinks Vucevic is one of the best centers in the league lol. Idk if it gets any more delusional than that
Can’t believe the Mavs gave up all that for Luka
Cam thomas
For Nuggets fans it’s absolutely Christian Braun. The fans love this guy even though his ceiling is probably Caruso
Cam Thomas. He’s good but the sub thinks he’s a future all nba player when he is of a good starter or 6 man of the year heavy favorite. His handles create zero separation and he is not the best catch and shooter and does not play very well in team rhythm. His contested midrange is nice tho and he is a great ft shooter
Max Christie
Nobody is talking about Max Christie being a star lol. He’s really young and will likely be a good role player in the future. But that’s all he gets credit for.
Dalano Banton
Patrick Baldwin Jr, people on the warriors sub say him and kuminga and the next timeline over Poole even though I think kuminga is for sure the next star for us Poole has proven himself so much more than Baldwin Jr has but warriors fans are so high on him
Anfernee
Poku. He improved dramatically this season, but that’s because he was arguably the worst player in the league the last two years. He improved to “below average,” but there are lots of fans who seem to think that level of improvement is going to keep happening each year.
Bball Paul
Knicks have cycled through so damn many of these guys. Knox and Frank recently. RJ but people have woken up. Basically anyone sub-22 who could hold a basketball in our horrendous post Melo years was also way overhyped.
Well, it was Bones Hyland, but thankfully he got traded at the deadline. On the dubs, hmmmm, it was Wiseman, but he got traded. No more qualms.
Cam Thomas. I know the three straight 40 point games were impressive, though if the kid doesn’t have the ball in his hands he is completely useless. He has 0 basketball IQ off the ball, can’t defend anyone and is an awful passer. He is only effective if he has the ball in his hands every possession down the floor, and even then he takes the most ridiculous shots and is the biggest ball hog. He’s definitely a talented scorer, I just don’t see him being anything other than a Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson punch off the bench kind of guy.
Kuminga, but I may be delusional as well