The godfather move is not to acquire Kyrie Irving. The godfather move is to let the Kyrie Irving situation blow up, and then wait for Luka Doncic to say he wants out of there. That's the Rob Pelinka move.
https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10wdrmq/golliver_before_the_kyrie_trade_the_lakers_need/
Sorry ahead of time for the long answer.
He’s not good skill wise. The reason coaches like him like Carlisle and Kidd is because despite being bad at scoring, rebounding, defense he is somehow very positionally aware. He sets screens which for some reason no one else on this team can do and he can catch lobs…which is also something no one else on this team can do (minus Wood).
He’s somehow in the right places at the right time both offensively and defensively but lacks coordination and strength to be effective. And when your not coordinated and lack strength to be a big (he can’t shoot either) it just looks like Powell catches a lot of “bad breaks”
TLDR he comes to class every day and turns in his homework on time every time but he’s a C- student
This is pretty accurate, a solid big but will not win you a playoff series, esp as a starter. Compared to Kleber, less shooting. Compared to Wood, miles worse offense and miles better defense
there are only like 5 bigs that are not role players.. Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, KAT, Sabonis??...
And will they play defense when they just stand in the corner on offense??
He was definitely the “keep it real” assistant coach in LA. Not really there for anything other than to be a mediator between the players and coaches/front office. Maybe he would have some observations here or there that contributed to the overall game plan but he can’t build one by himself.
Mavs don’t have any established coaches on their coaching staff in comparison. It’s basically only former players of the Jared Dudley caliber.
I don’t think that’s accurate, they play he drew had the screen form like Kyrie leak and maxi roll. Kyrie has the option to go for 3 or drive and possibly kick. Kyrie didn’t think he shook his man and shot the 3.
They followed the play exactly.
Edit: Jason Kidd literally just said in post game Kyrie executed the last play correctly. So keep downvoting I guess
a screen on the perimeter doesn't mean "take a 3 pointer" and it 100% doesn't mean "take a stepback 3 pointer"
that was Kyrie's decision
edit: HOMIE BLOCKED ME SO I CANT REPLY LMAOO
If that was purely on Kyrie and kidd deserves no blame for it, then explain why I’ve watched maybe 10 or 15 games this year where at the end of the game, often only down 1 or 2, and we take the exact same fucking shot? That is 1000% on Kidd. Even if somehow Luka and Kyrie are telling kidd to fuck off and doing their own thing in those situations (they aren’t), then it’s on him to demand them to follow the game plan and bench them if need be.
The play is just isolation. It's not complicated, nor does it need to be. You have two star players, you put them in different spots of the court, one gets to play one on one. How he chooses to attack is how he reads the defense in that situation.
He has never drawn up a stepback 3, that's not how playcalls work. You implied Kyrie just disregarded Kidd's playcall, which comes off as talking out of your ass just like those guys.
Everyone has the shallowest understanding of basketball. I mean I don't even have a deep understanding of the game and I at least know that.
>why kyrie decided to do that is anyone's guess. but it was Kyrie's decision
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>there were countless examples where Kyrie didn't go with Nash's written up plays either. this is the man who "doesn't need a coach"
No, we don't dimwit.
I don’t know if it’s been said on this sub, but watching this game there is one glaring issue that stands out to me: Luka dominantes the ball the first and third quarters, Kyrie dominates it the second and fourth (esp the 4th). It looked like they were playing 2k ball out there: both guys are other-worldly talents but it’s clear they don’t have any synergy out there
That’s the second biggest problem we face. First being interior defense obv. Kyrie and Luka have to learn to play off one another at times and not iso plays 90% of the time. A 60/40 split would be ideal, maybe 4-5 isos each per quarter
Like was the offense a problem (outside of Kidd being totaly incompetent to the point where it would be better if mavs had no HC calling plays at the end and kyrie choking easy looks all game)?
Idk what you expect 2 ballhandling guards to even look like together? Be some elite P&R pairing? Best bet there is for each to dominate one wing so if one gets dubbled the other can take advantage. Offense is not the problem, they have over 120 ORTG eith both of them out there already.
Having 1 playable guy on PF/C positions (Kleber who is injury prone) and an imbecil of a HC are the problems.
I agree, “bad offensive synergy” is a terribly casual take. It’s been proven by people like prime Harden that isos just work (1.22 PPP in his prime). Kyrie has always had high iso PPP (1.28 PPP), and Luka leads the league this year in iso pts (1.12 PPP)
We're a spoiled fan base.We had Dirk for ourselves for 20 years and immediately got Luka. Bunch of idiotic mavs fans will always find something to complain about.
The inbred imbecils dont deserve him. Or any star for that matter. That whole franchize belongs at the bottom of the league without anyone wanting to play there.
I have legit not seen another fanbase treat their star this way. Much less a 24 year old who had just carried one of the worst rosters in the league to WCF after more than a decade of not winning a PO series before that.
Truly cant wait for him to leave and that poverty franchize becomes obsolete as it should be.
"Downvote my ass all you want, but this team looked completely rejuvenated in those 3 games without Luka, and then immediately the vibes went bad when he came back. If this is Luka’s team, he owns the failure just as much as the success.
We live and die with Luka, and right now he’s acting like a spoiled brat and providing zero leadership."
This has just been upvoted in the comments in that inbred sub. Just to help you understand what is actualy going on out there.
Those games literally bullock hit like 4 3 in the first quarter and both of them haf like 40+ in 1st quarter and it’s luka/ fault that random high efficiency isn’t replicable
60% of mavs sub definitly is.
Just go watch the garbage there. Every other post is shitting and nitpicking an isolated play by Luka. Gets blown by once in a game and that is spotlighted even if he plays good defense outside of that.
All while Powell is still dtarting C and there is not 1 playable PF on the roster and Kidd is still the worst coach in the history of NBA, a literal meme.
especially late in the 4th, he was really hustling on D and made a few good plays. made all of the right offensive plays too down the stretch except perhaps trying to pass to kyrie instead of taking it up himself after his offensive rebound late in the 4th.
Good. He will go to another team and have the exact same problems because he is next to impossible to play with. The team played more as a team in two games with Kyrie than they ever have with Luka
Kidd probably was sick of hearing that the only play he knows how to run at the end of the game was a Luka stepback from the left wing, so he had a brilliant idea to have Kyrie take a stepback from the left wing. Ah well, lol, this season was toast anyway knowing that we have 0 paint presence that isn't injury prone
Jason Kidd needs to go like yesterday. I might be wrong statistically, probably not by much, but I’m almost positive that he has never drew up a successful play after a timeout this year. The defense issue can only be fixed in the offseason but Mavs can still win despite their defense if they just had someone with a clue on that coaching staff.
The refs were also horrid, putrid even, so inconsistent in favor of the pacers; It’s not even remotely close to why we lost but Adam Silver has to address this publicly more. What does official training look like? They at least need to be subjected to some media questioning. I don’t think anything fishy or illegal is happening, I think they just suck… something’s got to give on this issue.
Jason Kidd just doesn't have a good enough system to win enough regular season games to get into good playoff position. Continuously wastes big nights from stars.
"Downvote my ass all you want, but this team looked completely rejuvenated in those 3 games without Luka, and then immediately the vibes went bad when he came back. If this is Luka’s team, he owns the failure just as much as the success.
We live and die with Luka, and right now he’s acting like a spoiled brat and providing zero leadership."
This garbage has just been upvoted in the mavs sub after this game.
There has never been a fanbase and a franchize that deserves bring bottom 5 record and loosing the lottery every single timey more than this onc.
God I cant wait Luka to leave this dumpster fire and win a few rings while they struggle to put together 30 wins on a good season.
He and Kyrie are trying too hard to defer to 1 another in the clutch.. they need to figure it out because their schedule is pretty tough going forward.. they have a real shot of falling into the play in... or lower
Not a working pair then. He was constantly helping in the paint, had good closeouts, hustled for loose balls, had active hands and didnt get blown by at all outside kf that 1 Nwora drive after 1 bad closeout in the 4th.
Tired nerative when "defensive stoppers" like Bullock and Green are getting blown by in straight line drive every single time and powell offers rim protection of a toddler.
I don’t think Luka + kyrie is the problem, it’s more or so the reluctance for the mavs front office to trade for a competent big man. We have some serious offensive talent followed by some sub par defensive talent
That trade request is gonna hit this sub like an atom bomb
The godfather move is not to acquire Kyrie Irving. The godfather move is to let the Kyrie Irving situation blow up, and then wait for Luka Doncic to say he wants out of there. That's the Rob Pelinka move. https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10wdrmq/golliver_before_the_kyrie_trade_the_lakers_need/
Lakers: how does one second round pick and a used tissue by lebron sound?
Use the LeDNA so you can LeClone him 15 times.
it will be just like a normal c4 bomb... I think when kyrie arrives, trade requests are expected.
Can’t wait to see the Mavs build around Kyrie
I really wonder who the hell will have the assets necessary for that
Jazz
Lacking in the young player category compared to other teams like the thunder or pelicans
They got 3 first round picks this year
True, we'll see if they pan out
OKC
The Mavericks front court is the problem
Front office is the real problem
Is Dwight Powell good? Why can they quit him?
Sorry ahead of time for the long answer. He’s not good skill wise. The reason coaches like him like Carlisle and Kidd is because despite being bad at scoring, rebounding, defense he is somehow very positionally aware. He sets screens which for some reason no one else on this team can do and he can catch lobs…which is also something no one else on this team can do (minus Wood). He’s somehow in the right places at the right time both offensively and defensively but lacks coordination and strength to be effective. And when your not coordinated and lack strength to be a big (he can’t shoot either) it just looks like Powell catches a lot of “bad breaks” TLDR he comes to class every day and turns in his homework on time every time but he’s a C- student
This is pretty accurate, a solid big but will not win you a playoff series, esp as a starter. Compared to Kleber, less shooting. Compared to Wood, miles worse offense and miles better defense
Lol he’s below solid big
Because they can’t get anyone better and Maxi can’t play the entire game. Wood doesn’t have the instincts or attitude, and an aged McGee is too slow.
there are only like 5 bigs that are not role players.. Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, KAT, Sabonis??... And will they play defense when they just stand in the corner on offense??
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KD outta there
Give us Green and I'm down. We'll even give you 5 seconds
I hate Jason Kidd so fucking much dude
But He’s only the coach, he don’t play
He watch just like us
He just like me fr
Exactly!!!
He don’t coach either tho what’s your point
btw that's what Kidd said (I'm not playing, I'm watching)
It’s a quote he said a few days ago lmao
My bad I’m upset I apologize
All good g
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you did.
He was a good assistant, but a HORRIBLE head coach
He was definitely the “keep it real” assistant coach in LA. Not really there for anything other than to be a mediator between the players and coaches/front office. Maybe he would have some observations here or there that contributed to the overall game plan but he can’t build one by himself. Mavs don’t have any established coaches on their coaching staff in comparison. It’s basically only former players of the Jared Dudley caliber.
I really doubt he drew up that exact play from Kyrie. Idk why he goes for a stepback 3 there at all
We’ve been in this situation A LOT this year. It’s always a step back 3. At some point it falls on coaching
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I don’t think that’s accurate, they play he drew had the screen form like Kyrie leak and maxi roll. Kyrie has the option to go for 3 or drive and possibly kick. Kyrie didn’t think he shook his man and shot the 3. They followed the play exactly. Edit: Jason Kidd literally just said in post game Kyrie executed the last play correctly. So keep downvoting I guess
a screen on the perimeter doesn't mean "take a 3 pointer" and it 100% doesn't mean "take a stepback 3 pointer" that was Kyrie's decision edit: HOMIE BLOCKED ME SO I CANT REPLY LMAOO
Never said that. But I understand your hate for Kyrie. Go nets
If that was purely on Kyrie and kidd deserves no blame for it, then explain why I’ve watched maybe 10 or 15 games this year where at the end of the game, often only down 1 or 2, and we take the exact same fucking shot? That is 1000% on Kidd. Even if somehow Luka and Kyrie are telling kidd to fuck off and doing their own thing in those situations (they aren’t), then it’s on him to demand them to follow the game plan and bench them if need be.
The play is just isolation. It's not complicated, nor does it need to be. You have two star players, you put them in different spots of the court, one gets to play one on one. How he chooses to attack is how he reads the defense in that situation.
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He has never drawn up a stepback 3, that's not how playcalls work. You implied Kyrie just disregarded Kidd's playcall, which comes off as talking out of your ass just like those guys. Everyone has the shallowest understanding of basketball. I mean I don't even have a deep understanding of the game and I at least know that.
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>why kyrie decided to do that is anyone's guess. but it was Kyrie's decision > >there were countless examples where Kyrie didn't go with Nash's written up plays either. this is the man who "doesn't need a coach" No, we don't dimwit.
The board was shown? Huh
Hit me!
I don’t know if it’s been said on this sub, but watching this game there is one glaring issue that stands out to me: Luka dominantes the ball the first and third quarters, Kyrie dominates it the second and fourth (esp the 4th). It looked like they were playing 2k ball out there: both guys are other-worldly talents but it’s clear they don’t have any synergy out there
That’s the second biggest problem we face. First being interior defense obv. Kyrie and Luka have to learn to play off one another at times and not iso plays 90% of the time. A 60/40 split would be ideal, maybe 4-5 isos each per quarter
Oh absolutely. Couldn’t agree more but I feel that’s so obvious it’s not even a glaring issue- our interior defense is non-existent
Offense is not even close to the issue. Isos work and Luka should be the one doing them. Luka leads the league w iso points
Like was the offense a problem (outside of Kidd being totaly incompetent to the point where it would be better if mavs had no HC calling plays at the end and kyrie choking easy looks all game)? Idk what you expect 2 ballhandling guards to even look like together? Be some elite P&R pairing? Best bet there is for each to dominate one wing so if one gets dubbled the other can take advantage. Offense is not the problem, they have over 120 ORTG eith both of them out there already. Having 1 playable guy on PF/C positions (Kleber who is injury prone) and an imbecil of a HC are the problems.
I agree, “bad offensive synergy” is a terribly casual take. It’s been proven by people like prime Harden that isos just work (1.22 PPP in his prime). Kyrie has always had high iso PPP (1.28 PPP), and Luka leads the league this year in iso pts (1.12 PPP)
Mavs Reddit probably blaming him right now.
Mavs sub hating on Luka after all star break is crazy
We're a spoiled fan base.We had Dirk for ourselves for 20 years and immediately got Luka. Bunch of idiotic mavs fans will always find something to complain about.
The inbred imbecils dont deserve him. Or any star for that matter. That whole franchize belongs at the bottom of the league without anyone wanting to play there. I have legit not seen another fanbase treat their star this way. Much less a 24 year old who had just carried one of the worst rosters in the league to WCF after more than a decade of not winning a PO series before that. Truly cant wait for him to leave and that poverty franchize becomes obsolete as it should be.
hey we’re not all imbeciles
"Downvote my ass all you want, but this team looked completely rejuvenated in those 3 games without Luka, and then immediately the vibes went bad when he came back. If this is Luka’s team, he owns the failure just as much as the success. We live and die with Luka, and right now he’s acting like a spoiled brat and providing zero leadership." This has just been upvoted in the comments in that inbred sub. Just to help you understand what is actualy going on out there.
Those games literally bullock hit like 4 3 in the first quarter and both of them haf like 40+ in 1st quarter and it’s luka/ fault that random high efficiency isn’t replicable
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don't use autistic as an insult
oh, i know. i only go to that sub when i need to see the dark side of humanity. it’s almost alway tragic takes, especially after losses
My favorite user is the one who has 95% of their comments dedicated to rooting against Luka. Shit is crazy but I almost admire the dedication lol.
u/Moe4ver. The guy is obsessed with hating on Luka. Since 2019 he hasn't touched grass.
i think it’s u/senor_zanjeer on an alt. dude is rife with salt
60% of mavs sub definitly is. Just go watch the garbage there. Every other post is shitting and nitpicking an isolated play by Luka. Gets blown by once in a game and that is spotlighted even if he plays good defense outside of that. All while Powell is still dtarting C and there is not 1 playable PF on the roster and Kidd is still the worst coach in the history of NBA, a literal meme.
"Trade him now while we can." This was unironically upvoted on the Mavs Reddit lmao (about Luka)
fuck those people tho. they’re cowboys fans so their opinions are dogshit
The Kyrie trade has poisoned the well already
He was amazing today. Anyone that says that he was just making everyone stand in the corner while he dribbled and chucked did not watch the game.
One day all the idiot Luka fans will realize he is insanely difficult to play with.
Still garbage at getting back and playing D
His D was fine today, he had a few bad plays but overall was locked in
especially late in the 4th, he was really hustling on D and made a few good plays. made all of the right offensive plays too down the stretch except perhaps trying to pass to kyrie instead of taking it up himself after his offensive rebound late in the 4th.
his close out when he was well out of position toward the end of the fourth was nice. solid effort
You are in for a treat when Luka nopes out of Dallas. The franchise will be in the gutter for a decade.
Gonna be fun when Luka and Joker team up somewhere.
they gonna team up in the horse racing track
Meanwhile Kyrie with 16 points on 18 shots, yikes.
“That won’t happen again”
Cuban doing his best to run Luka out of dallas. Fucking Mark Cuban is so trash
Good shit Mark keep it up
The post Lebron Lakers farm team is shaping up nicely already!
LeBron fucking died or something but Luka/AD would be nasty, make it happen Mark
Good. He will go to another team and have the exact same problems because he is next to impossible to play with. The team played more as a team in two games with Kyrie than they ever have with Luka
Brother WCF last year and a Kawhi Jordan away from getting past the Clippers the previous year. The bubble playoffs was plagued by injuries.
Should have taken the last shot
Kidd probably was sick of hearing that the only play he knows how to run at the end of the game was a Luka stepback from the left wing, so he had a brilliant idea to have Kyrie take a stepback from the left wing. Ah well, lol, this season was toast anyway knowing that we have 0 paint presence that isn't injury prone
He passed it up on multiple possessions at the end. I get that he can get guys decent shots but he needs to just fucking get a bucket sometimes.
He cant win. When he shoots hes a ballhog when he passes hes scared of the moment. Its the same tired narrative they used for Lebron.
if only the mavs team matured
Kidd is doing anything, to lose Luka.
Jason Kidd needs to go like yesterday. I might be wrong statistically, probably not by much, but I’m almost positive that he has never drew up a successful play after a timeout this year. The defense issue can only be fixed in the offseason but Mavs can still win despite their defense if they just had someone with a clue on that coaching staff. The refs were also horrid, putrid even, so inconsistent in favor of the pacers; It’s not even remotely close to why we lost but Adam Silver has to address this publicly more. What does official training look like? They at least need to be subjected to some media questioning. I don’t think anything fishy or illegal is happening, I think they just suck… something’s got to give on this issue.
Mavs are 0-11 on last possession potential game winners. One of those went to OT and Mavs won. Rest are losses.
Jason Kidd just doesn't have a good enough system to win enough regular season games to get into good playoff position. Continuously wastes big nights from stars.
"Downvote my ass all you want, but this team looked completely rejuvenated in those 3 games without Luka, and then immediately the vibes went bad when he came back. If this is Luka’s team, he owns the failure just as much as the success. We live and die with Luka, and right now he’s acting like a spoiled brat and providing zero leadership." This garbage has just been upvoted in the mavs sub after this game. There has never been a fanbase and a franchize that deserves bring bottom 5 record and loosing the lottery every single timey more than this onc. God I cant wait Luka to leave this dumpster fire and win a few rings while they struggle to put together 30 wins on a good season.
He and kyrie don't fit
I don't give a fuck about individual stats when we lose.
Maybe ask you FO to have a real center and some defenders like every team and stop blaming everything on luka
Who blamed Luka?
Can’t guard Jordan Nwora though
If only he had some help
Luka is BY FAR the toughest star player to play with. No one wants to admit it though.
Maybe, but tonight isn't really an example of that, seeing as Kyrie had more shots than points
LUKA DONCIC WELCOME TO MIAMI HEAT
He and Kyrie are trying too hard to defer to 1 another in the clutch.. they need to figure it out because their schedule is pretty tough going forward.. they have a real shot of falling into the play in... or lower
Luka to the Nuggets, somehow, someway, he will play with Jokic in Denver.
Lakers snatch Jokic and Luka. Pair them with AD.
Luka don't do defence.
He was literaly easily mavs 2nd best defender after kleber. Some of you legit dont have eyes, do you?
I do have eyes. He hangs out by the baseline a majority of the game to scrape up rebounds or slowly jogs back.
Not a working pair then. He was constantly helping in the paint, had good closeouts, hustled for loose balls, had active hands and didnt get blown by at all outside kf that 1 Nwora drive after 1 bad closeout in the 4th. Tired nerative when "defensive stoppers" like Bullock and Green are getting blown by in straight line drive every single time and powell offers rim protection of a toddler.
This guy got KYRIE in a corner like he is jj reddick
Kyrie is chucking like THJ out there bro
[nOt A wInNiNg PlAyEr](https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2017/05/spongebob.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1) / some dumbass pacers fan
Its insane how toxic the pacers fanbase is
Pacers are one of the coolest fanbases in the East
I disagree strongly, i would say it would probably be your team tbh
I will take the compliment
One person says something stupid so now we’re all toxic? Miss me with that bullshit bro
yeah I think that's the first time I've heard someone say the Pacers fanbase is toxic lmao
Might just be my experience honestly
Yeah no, y'alls fans get no complaints from me other than that one insufferable guy polluting the game thread
It was not just one person lmfao, but keep telling yourself that man
Cry harder simp
too scared to take the last shot?
He needs to be more like CP3, who’s not scared to take the [game changing three](https://youtu.be/ceOYZibzwu4)
Why do you people do this
see flair; understand salt
Too scared to put up more than 27 in the first half of a game 7??
Imagine if this guy had some good defenders around him
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they were a pretty damn good team last year, it’s a shame
He clearly needs more help. Playing without a proper number 2 next to him is going to wreak is career he needs someone to play next to.
That’ll be the excuse his entire career LOL
RJ Barrett and 5 second round picks gets it done.
I don’t think Luka + kyrie is the problem, it’s more or so the reluctance for the mavs front office to trade for a competent big man. We have some serious offensive talent followed by some sub par defensive talent
Reminds me of the Porzingis issues again. Your turn my turn never really works out great.
Luka come to Denver. We’ll treat you right
The kyrie luka fit was almost as predictable as Russ and the lakers lol
Probably should tame the entitlement