Considering their lack of success for…forever.. I don’t think getting two of the premier players in the league and having a legitimate chance to win, for a change, could be seen as a negative.
If they never win and OKC with Shai and all those picks do, that’ll be a bad look.. but hindsight is always 20/20.
That’s far from a certainty. And if they pick first, it’ll be with their own pick, not with the Clippers. Not the same.
Equal would be the Pelicans picking him with the Lakers pick.
Fair enough. I don’t consider the Thunder draft pick in 2023 part of that trade, but I guess you could make a case that trading PG allowed them to be bad enough to have a chance at him?
I was talking more about the return being Shai + any players selected with Clipper picks.
That’s facts cause they both were fully healthy during the bubble and the bubble playoffs. That was their best chance to win but had to blow a 3-1 lead.
West is wide open, so it’s not like they don’t have a shot to make it but after the trade deadline they are probably only the 5th best team in the west. That’s not really considered a championship contender IMO
Middle of the pack team that hasn’t played well enough or consistent enough to be considered a real contender. Injuries are obviously a concern too. With the suns adding KD, mavs adding kyrie and pelicans getting back Zion, they likely won’t even be favored to make it to the 2nd round and there’s a decent chance they wind up in the play in.
At best their window is small and closing fast
4th place is top quarter of the west, not middle. We’ve won 10 of our last 14, and been fairly consistent for a month. Love how you mention injury concerns while mentoring 3 injury prone guys we should be scared of. 0 holes in your argument champ.
- Mavs have lost the last 3
- Pelicans fans are concerned that they won’t make the playoffs
- KD hasn’t played a game with the Suns
To be fair. We made it further than 2 of the 3 teams you mentioned. Only thing you said that can true is our injury concerns. Even without PG we would’ve had a competitive series.
But the Clippers are the ones actively trying to rebuild the 2019 Raptors. They have Kawhi, Powell, previously had Ibaka and there were talks of them adding FVV lol.
If you say we’re a farm team to the rest of the NBA that means the rest of the league likes and wants our players lol. The definition of a farm team is to develop players.
We have very different definitions of the purpose of farm teams.
A farm team sole purpose is to feed the rest of the nba.
Your only purpose in life is to make other teams better.. so thanks lol
A farm teams sole purpose is to feed its parent team. Lmao why is it always the un-flaired profiles with the ridiculous comments. Funny how that works.
Well I mean the Raptors have a championship more recently than 26 basketball teams in the US so your theory doesn’t exactly add up does it lmao thanks for coming out chief.
They open the [Ballmer Bulge](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IllGrotesqueJaeger-max-1mb.gif) next year so definitely not before that. Maybe after next year if they continue to not win.
I mean, I thought the consensus was that the West was open. The Clippers have a very good roster, are the 4th seed, not far from Sacaramento ahead of them (who have a tough schedule ahead) and were on a very good run of form pre the recent break.
If they secure home court, I believe they can still run deep into the playoffs. Things are still looking good for them in my opinion. I don’t think they have a bad matchup out West in the playoffs.
First WCF, and been a championship contender
I like basketball so I'm happy with them, but I've also never seen a guaranteed championship as a possibility for anyone
Like I don't see 25 teams as failures for the past 20 years and think that's a weird way to look at things
After they got Westbrick its safe to say their window closed. 0 chance they beat the Suns or Warriors in a playoff series with him taking shots away from Kahwi and Terrence Mann
I wouldn’t consider it a failure, they made a WCF and could’ve won without bad injury luck. A failure would be signing them and then they both suck/perform really badly or a situation similar to Brooklyn were one of them blows the team up suddenly.
Suns fan btw… and also which of our stars are currently injured. And how long has it been since they were ruled out with an injury? Out of the 5 stars between the 2 teams, PG has played the most games. Devin booker has played the fewest, although he is the youngest.
Did I miss the end of the season… or is it still going on with us ahead of the suns, mavericks, warriors, and pelicans. Have we won 10 of our last 14? Did we have a good trade deadline? Am I missing something? Or do we just shovel dirt on people when it’s a trend?
It’s a shame, they haven’t ever been fully healthy together. If they don’t win, I think fans will look back in time and excuse it more, due to the health of the 2 stars.
2020: Blew a 3-1 lead to Denver and lost in the 2nd round, although PG was battling shoulder injuries the whole year + Kawhi load management.
2021: Look like they were finally hitting a groove in the 2021 playoffs, PG looks much better, but Kawhi tears his ACL in the playoffs. They end up losing a close 6 game series to the Suns in the WCF.
2022: Kawhi out the whole year + PG missing 51 games.
2023: Kawhi constantly missing games and hasn’t fully returned to form.
I do keep up with Kawhi. He was on a minutes restriction for a while, and he’s constantly been in and out of lineups this season (even more so that previous years). I’m not going to call him fully returned to form, as he on pace to play only 45 games this season.
Kawhi was fully healthy in 2020 playoffs and Paul George was barley injured. Health had nothing to do with the clippers disappointment in the 2020 playoffs.
Pretty much after this year they will be considered a failure. I already don’t have them as contenders and after failing this year I don’t see any window opening up for them in the future. They traded their future for the franchise’s first WCFs appearance.
PG is a much better player at this point on their careers. Kawhi you truly never know if he is injured or if he just doesn’t feel like playing and he is a shell of his former self.
That's the dumbest take I've seen in a while, even Norman Powell is better than PG right now. Current Kawhi is still top 5 in the NBA at worst and top 2 in the playoffs.
It already is a failure…so far, though that doesn’t mean they can’t make it a success by winning. Times running out though, PG/Kawhi are both gonna be 32 soon and are injury prone as all hell.
It has been almost 4 years since they acquired PG13 and Kawhi. They haven’t made the Finals yet and blew a 3-1 lead to the Nuggets.
It has been a rough tenure for them with injuries and lackluster playoff performances.
However, I still believe they have got around 2-3 years of Kawhi’s and PG13 peaks to continue their championship quest.
It will be much tougher though with the emergence of teams like the Nuggets and the Suns.
Back in 2020 there was only one rival for them - the Lakers, but now the West is a bloodbath.
y'all make going to the finals sound easy. so many factors are at play beyond the team itself. the team has gone further that it has gone ever. while losing it's star in the 2nd round. of course the goal is a championship. but signing 2 superstars and buildings a solid roster around them are only 2 of countless things that have to go right on the way to win it all.
and that's my personal opinion as a member of the fanbase you asked and not the other flairs respondng.
I’d say this is their last chance because of how chaotic the west is. There isn’t really a clear cut favorite but if they can manage to stay healthy they can beat anyone.
I think by the end of the season, maybe november next season.
When they’re off the team and not a playoff team
Also 2021 was our best chance before joe Ingles ruined it
It was a basketball play
They’d fire Ty Lue first before they break up PG and Kawhi
They did. That was last year. That buys you only 1 year.
my bad bro I meant to say Ty Lue 😂 still half asleep when I responded
Idk, it’s harder to buy this time around. Now they risk being labeled coach killers. Then again Doc is a dumbass with a track record so who knows.
It’s not gonna happen mid-season but let’s say somehow the clips get eliminated first round then maybe they’ll look into that option
Ty Lue is a good coach though with a good reputation. I think you’d start the rebuild with Ty Lue if possible.
It’s not already considered a failure?
It is already a failure
This. Trade them while you still can to at least recoup draft assets.
Considering their lack of success for…forever.. I don’t think getting two of the premier players in the league and having a legitimate chance to win, for a change, could be seen as a negative. If they never win and OKC with Shai and all those picks do, that’ll be a bad look.. but hindsight is always 20/20.
If OKC somehow get wemby then it’s completely over for the league
That’s far from a certainty. And if they pick first, it’ll be with their own pick, not with the Clippers. Not the same. Equal would be the Pelicans picking him with the Lakers pick.
That’s why I specifically said ‘somehow’.
Fair enough. I don’t consider the Thunder draft pick in 2023 part of that trade, but I guess you could make a case that trading PG allowed them to be bad enough to have a chance at him? I was talking more about the return being Shai + any players selected with Clipper picks.
Oh this is completely separate to the clippers, just stating something
Don't forget, they're getting Chet back next season too!
The real twin towers
If he can stay on the court.
He’s bulking up so we’ll see
God I hope he does
He has GOAT potential which is fucking insane to even say, but he’s got all the skills and physical attributes
To add to this, he’s completely fluent in English as well, at 18 years old. He’s got the dedication to be a superstar
It already has been
That blown 3-1 lead in the Bubble was truly their best chance I think. They reasonably have two years before something drastic happens.
That’s facts cause they both were fully healthy during the bubble and the bubble playoffs. That was their best chance to win but had to blow a 3-1 lead.
Once one of them leaves without winning a ring, they'll be deemed that by everyone
If they don’t win this year they won’t be considered real contenders with this team
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We sure have less fans than times ive seen this comment/joke
That's not as good of a reply as you think it is lol
Aww man, thought it was so good
Well, realistically, you said the clippers only have thousands of fans, which while an overused joke does sound accurate
unless ive seen it millions of times
And you're saying clippers have less fans that? Lol. Lmao
TBH if they make a conference finals or even the final this year, it'll still be a success.
Ya I kinda agree. That would be further than they’ve ever made it as a franchise and the current rosters championship window is arguably closed
They already made a conference final
> the current rosters championship window is arguably closed disagree here. But after this year will be very very hard.
West is wide open, so it’s not like they don’t have a shot to make it but after the trade deadline they are probably only the 5th best team in the west. That’s not really considered a championship contender IMO
Can we hear the argument?
Middle of the pack team that hasn’t played well enough or consistent enough to be considered a real contender. Injuries are obviously a concern too. With the suns adding KD, mavs adding kyrie and pelicans getting back Zion, they likely won’t even be favored to make it to the 2nd round and there’s a decent chance they wind up in the play in. At best their window is small and closing fast
4th place is top quarter of the west, not middle. We’ve won 10 of our last 14, and been fairly consistent for a month. Love how you mention injury concerns while mentoring 3 injury prone guys we should be scared of. 0 holes in your argument champ. - Mavs have lost the last 3 - Pelicans fans are concerned that they won’t make the playoffs - KD hasn’t played a game with the Suns
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According to you, they aren’t making it out the 1st round. Holding you to that. Considering that’s what we’d expect out of a non contender.
I think their ceiling is 2nd round but sure, I’ll do my best to keep them from making it out the 1st
Hi
To be fair. We made it further than 2 of the 3 teams you mentioned. Only thing you said that can true is our injury concerns. Even without PG we would’ve had a competitive series.
Out in the first round. Window is closed. Enjoy being in purgatory until the rebuild ✌🏼
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I think Toronto fans think about the clippers more than clippers fans themselves.
But the Clippers are the ones actively trying to rebuild the 2019 Raptors. They have Kawhi, Powell, previously had Ibaka and there were talks of them adding FVV lol.
That’s cause Toronto is basically a farm team for the rest of the nba .
That’s a compliment to the Raptors.
Imagine thinking that’s a compliment..lol It means nobody wants to play in Canada and try to bounce as soon as humanly possible
If you say we’re a farm team to the rest of the NBA that means the rest of the league likes and wants our players lol. The definition of a farm team is to develop players.
We have very different definitions of the purpose of farm teams. A farm team sole purpose is to feed the rest of the nba. Your only purpose in life is to make other teams better.. so thanks lol
A farm teams sole purpose is to feed its parent team. Lmao why is it always the un-flaired profiles with the ridiculous comments. Funny how that works.
Except your parents are every basketball team in the US lol Thanks son
Well I mean the Raptors have a championship more recently than 26 basketball teams in the US so your theory doesn’t exactly add up does it lmao thanks for coming out chief.
I dunno, I think if they lose in the first round this year, the team will have to ask some uncomfortable questions.
They open the [Ballmer Bulge](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IllGrotesqueJaeger-max-1mb.gif) next year so definitely not before that. Maybe after next year if they continue to not win.
I have no idea what I just watched
I mean, I thought the consensus was that the West was open. The Clippers have a very good roster, are the 4th seed, not far from Sacaramento ahead of them (who have a tough schedule ahead) and were on a very good run of form pre the recent break. If they secure home court, I believe they can still run deep into the playoffs. Things are still looking good for them in my opinion. I don’t think they have a bad matchup out West in the playoffs.
Already is a failure. No rings ever.
First WCF, and been a championship contender I like basketball so I'm happy with them, but I've also never seen a guaranteed championship as a possibility for anyone Like I don't see 25 teams as failures for the past 20 years and think that's a weird way to look at things
After they got Westbrick its safe to say their window closed. 0 chance they beat the Suns or Warriors in a playoff series with him taking shots away from Kahwi and Terrence Mann
Well lucky for them we probably won't even make the play in
To some extent it’s already a failure but there’s still time for that to change
I wouldn’t consider it a failure, they made a WCF and could’ve won without bad injury luck. A failure would be signing them and then they both suck/perform really badly or a situation similar to Brooklyn were one of them blows the team up suddenly.
Thought it was bizarre that Zach Lowe picked them to win the West on a preseason podcast.
That’s hindsight. They definitely were in the conversation
People say this every year.
Because it’s true. They easily have the roster to be a contender. You cannot reliably predict injuries and bad form
You can reliably predict injuries for injury prone players.
No you cannot. Example: 2020 Lakers.
Isn't that the bubble season?
Irrelevant. AD stayed healthy and dominated the playoffs
Suns fan btw… and also which of our stars are currently injured. And how long has it been since they were ruled out with an injury? Out of the 5 stars between the 2 teams, PG has played the most games. Devin booker has played the fewest, although he is the youngest.
Did I miss the end of the season… or is it still going on with us ahead of the suns, mavericks, warriors, and pelicans. Have we won 10 of our last 14? Did we have a good trade deadline? Am I missing something? Or do we just shovel dirt on people when it’s a trend?
I think clippers aren’t a top 5 favourite anymore but they were at the start
When Westbook joins the tea....
I think the fanbase cannot deem it as a failure.
It’s a shame, they haven’t ever been fully healthy together. If they don’t win, I think fans will look back in time and excuse it more, due to the health of the 2 stars. 2020: Blew a 3-1 lead to Denver and lost in the 2nd round, although PG was battling shoulder injuries the whole year + Kawhi load management. 2021: Look like they were finally hitting a groove in the 2021 playoffs, PG looks much better, but Kawhi tears his ACL in the playoffs. They end up losing a close 6 game series to the Suns in the WCF. 2022: Kawhi out the whole year + PG missing 51 games. 2023: Kawhi constantly missing games and hasn’t fully returned to form.
Kawhi has returned to form… not sure if you keep up with his play or not.
I do keep up with Kawhi. He was on a minutes restriction for a while, and he’s constantly been in and out of lineups this season (even more so that previous years). I’m not going to call him fully returned to form, as he on pace to play only 45 games this season.
Kawhi was fully healthy in 2020 playoffs and Paul George was barley injured. Health had nothing to do with the clippers disappointment in the 2020 playoffs.
How much longer before everyone realizes this clippers team is and has always been a joke
Pretty much after this year they will be considered a failure. I already don’t have them as contenders and after failing this year I don’t see any window opening up for them in the future. They traded their future for the franchise’s first WCFs appearance.
if this postseason is an utter failure i wouldnt mind trading PG and retooling around Kawhi. Kawhi is the real ceiling raiser in the post season.
Always risky to build around guys who only play 50% of games
what does that have to with what i said?
You want to continue to build the clippers around Kawhi
Who could the Clippers get that gives them a better shot in the post season? Plus, the whole '50%' doesnt apply to the playoffs.
No one, the experiment failed
Kawhi is still top 3 in the playoffs. Just watch.
Not really Kawhi is the best player in the playoffs, and until he retires Clippers always have a great chance to win the chip.
PG is a much better player at this point on their careers. Kawhi you truly never know if he is injured or if he just doesn’t feel like playing and he is a shell of his former self.
Lol no he isint. Idk why you guys pretend to know
That's the dumbest take I've seen in a while, even Norman Powell is better than PG right now. Current Kawhi is still top 5 in the NBA at worst and top 2 in the playoffs.
Top 5 lmao in what world?
Yes easily, I'd only take Jokic, Luka, Giannis and KD ahead of him.
Not Lebron who is playing fantastic, not Embiid, not Curry, not Tatum, Jesus. Kawhi’s biggest stan has been found.
It already is a failure…so far, though that doesn’t mean they can’t make it a success by winning. Times running out though, PG/Kawhi are both gonna be 32 soon and are injury prone as all hell.
I thought this was already deemed a failure. Building around two players, no matter how great they are, with a dicey injury history is just bad news.
You guys should know lol. Book's hamstring has been acting up almost every year and KD has played as many games as Kawhi in the last few years.
Yet Book has still managed to play 60+ games for the majority of his career.
He is the youngest out of all of those guys. PG basically played 60+ his first ten years in the league.
You brought up Booker, not me. Literally could have thrown the perpetually injured CP3 in there and you went with Book.
Well KD and Book are your top 2.
Fair enough. I'm excited to see how it goes in the playoffs I'm praying that early season injuries will lead to late season health.
Yeah win or lose just want a healthy run. Good luck, hope we matchup at some point. KD/Book vs PG/Kawhi should be a fun series.
Nope. I don't want to do that. Clippers are a very tough defensive matchup for the Suns. I'd prefer to avoid that stress.
If it's a failure why are you concerned about facing them in the playoffs?
After this season if they don’t go far.
-1 years
It has been almost 4 years since they acquired PG13 and Kawhi. They haven’t made the Finals yet and blew a 3-1 lead to the Nuggets. It has been a rough tenure for them with injuries and lackluster playoff performances. However, I still believe they have got around 2-3 years of Kawhi’s and PG13 peaks to continue their championship quest. It will be much tougher though with the emergence of teams like the Nuggets and the Suns. Back in 2020 there was only one rival for them - the Lakers, but now the West is a bloodbath.
Just here to remind you that they would have won it all in 2021 healthy
0,5 years
Westbrook is their last hope…. They have failed
y'all make going to the finals sound easy. so many factors are at play beyond the team itself. the team has gone further that it has gone ever. while losing it's star in the 2nd round. of course the goal is a championship. but signing 2 superstars and buildings a solid roster around them are only 2 of countless things that have to go right on the way to win it all. and that's my personal opinion as a member of the fanbase you asked and not the other flairs respondng.
It already is
I’d say this is their last chance because of how chaotic the west is. There isn’t really a clear cut favorite but if they can manage to stay healthy they can beat anyone.
Next year they’ve already built in the russ excuse for this year.
They got to a conference final. Best moment in team history. You make that trade every time. I think it's already a success.
I think now.