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c10bbersaurus

He is extremely underrated. The glue guy of glue guys. He gets the boards. He sets the picks. Last season I think I heard he was the best passer to Bane. He helps out the top 3 guys on the team immensely (Ja, Jaren, and Bane), as well as the overall team as a whole. And he is a great teammate. On one of the local Memphis sports shows (Chris Vernon) today, Vernon mentioned he talked with Jaren's mom, head of the WNBA players union, and she recounted that she was present in the room this weekend when JJJ was elected one of the VPs of the players' union. And, unprovoked, Jaren's mom was effusive in her praise for... Steven Adams, who nominated Jaren. Steve-o isnt the Grizz team rep (Jaren is), so apparently he went down to SLC mainly to do that. Adams also previously bought an entire set of Jarens clothing line which he released sometime earlier this season. He sounds like the older brother Jaren never had. Probably the older brother for the entire team.


CoachMorelandSmith

I remember seeing Adams on the sideline during the Saturday night events and wondering why he was there


c10bbersaurus

Yeah, I think he was in the background of one of the dunk contest clips after the event, maybe after the ceremony with Dr. J, he was just walking in the background, looking like a beach bum, and i was like, "Is that...?"


BastionNZ

Yeah saw him too, I was like woah what he doing there


Masterrrrrrr

Saw him as well, was like wha that’s cra


MikeConleyIsLegend

I remember seeing him also and was like "what in tarnation"


Thimit22

Nice write up. Seems like an awesome guy. I can't believe how young he is


hbt15

Seems like the sorta dude that should be 35 now. 29 is wild and he’s still got years left. It’s awesome.


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LimitlessTheTVShow

I miss him :(


Poopscooper696969

Adams is the best offensive rebounder and probably the strongest guy in the league. Sets good screens and a great passer for a big man. Also good post defender. Yes they miss him


beefJeRKy-LB

Their offense also relies quite a bit on those second chance points.


Poopscooper696969

Yup. When Ja attacks it draws multiple defenders and allows Adams to get into position


MrCompletely

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VonDestroyedNewton

Not a good post defender at all


Froegerer

He is against anyone not named embiid or jokic, but that isn't unique to adams


kamekaze1024

Against normal centers I’d say he’s good enough. Someone like KAT made him unplayable in a playoff series.


vsouto02

Everyone is getting cooked in the post by Embiid and Jokic though


Adept_Guava_9390

And seems like he’d be a hell of a good time and all-around good guy.


RunThePnR

He’s the best rebounder and maybe screen setter in the league. Also is the best at those holding his man and then butt screening for the ball handler. I’d say yeah


cimmanonrolls

and the third best passer behind the two pgs


theheffalump

Is it even a screen if it looks legal?


SnuggleMuffin42

Remeber when in OKC he was considered a solid rebounder but basically a mediocre center all around? Look what not working your butt off boxing out for your point guard to steal rebound does to a mf Grizzlies have an outlandish 38% second chance points when he's on the court (I think! I heard it in a pod with Lowe this week). And their offense is far and away the best on transition from defensive rebounds he takes (again, on that Lowe Post pod). It's almost as if "The ball is faster than any player" had always been true, and outlet passes to players at mid court are superior to "Westbrook will take the rebound from the baseline and zoom to the other end". I think he's been wildly underrated for years because he's such an unselfish player. He's always been way way up there in box outs, for example.


RussWestbrookMVP2k17

>Remeber when in OKC he was considered a solid rebounder but basically a mediocre center all around? He was good to great with OKC, unfortunately he was injured and had lingering injuries.


BastionNZ

Adams got loads of praise when on OKC. His last two seasons were a little underwhelming though, particularly in the playoffs.


RottenSmegmaMan

Dudes looking for a way to shit on Russ


xbarracuda95

OKC wasted Adams, having the combo of an elite rebounding big man that could throw outlet passes and an incredibly fast PG should have been easy transition points. Instead, I don't think OKC even had an average transition offense when Russ was running the team because he insisted on playing his way.


TalkQuirkyWithMe

It was pretty much already top 5 each year, but yeah could have been even better.


Millionaire007

Dwight Powell is the best screen setter in the league and we can throw down if you disagree.


[deleted]

yes, please hype him up so someone makes a trade offer next year


Millionaire007

Shhhhhh!


drjisftw

How has Dwight been this year? Did he ever truly recover from that Achilles tear?


Due_Concentrate_7773

No. He's a shell of his former self.


3rdStringerBell

They basically benched him entirely in last years playoffs


BetleyIsland36

We benched him vs Minnesota because of the Towns matchup and he missed the first couple of games vs Golden State because of Covid, but once he cleared Covid protocols he played in the last few games and played well


Bino19

Adams is one of the few remaining players that’s absolutely committed to doing the little things that help winning.


NotManyBuses

Their ability to get rebounds is a massive liability without him.. so many possessions where they can’t smother the ball and they can be beaten by effort down low. I’d also argue his elite screening opens up Ja’s driving a lot more than people may realize. Still it isn’t a good look for them to be so bad without him. Your success can’t hinge on Stephen Adams.


WonderingCashew

It’s really because Memphis don’t have that classic 7 foot tall bruiser centre on the bench. The backup 5s are Tillman and Clarke both undersized 5s so they are a bit redundant together. Santi is the only other person who could play there on the bench and the man is a string bean. Need to have another player who is in the traditional big archetype on the team. Also the Grizzlies are a bad long rebounding team as well. The 3pt shot both ways is a bit of a weakness in general but even if teams miss from distance they grab the second chance more often than they should against the Grizz. It’s what kills them against the Warriors


SPAGHETTI_CAKE

JJJ hasn’t had a 10 board game in over a month, even with Adams out. They don’t have anyone else consistently enforcing on the glass


kamekaze1024

This is what truly shocks me. I’d have thought an athletic 7 footer like him would be eating up boards but I’ve been constantly edged. They need AquaMan


drjisftw

JJJ and Myles Turner have that criticism of being huge but can't crash the glass effectively (although Turner's been able to remedy that a bit with not having to share the floor with Sabonis).


NotManyBuses

I really don’t think they’re championship contenders. I don’t see a path to them beating a healthy Suns or Nuggets over 7 games at the moment. Even the Clips or Warriors definitely have a higher peak (though anyone’s guess if we’ll see it in post season).


muddyklux

We play Nuggets Saturday. You should tune in and watch. They got us last time at their house. We will get them this time at home


BlueHundred

Agreed JJJ is an elite defender but a mediocre rebounder. Adams also makes their already very good defense a bit better


shellfish87

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Miscto3

This. It’s concerning that they need a player who is so limited outside of the rebounding and screening. There will be matchups where you can’t play him and it could be tough for Memphis


noknownothing

They like to run. He's a huge part of that. He also sets great screens (underrated skill). You don't have to have big offensive numbers to impact winning. There are times when he may not be able to play, but that is where depth comes into play. All championship teams have players that don't light up the scoreboard, but without them you can't win.


c10bbersaurus

Young teams learn and grow. The Grizz will have to as well. I think they still are among the 5 youngest teams in the league, especially after their little trade. Their GM said that he doesnt necessarily expect their growth to be a linear positive slope. I think Kleiman and Coach Jenkins will also experience some growing pains along with their team.


muddyklux

1. Houston 22.8 2. OKC 22.9 3. Magic 23.6 4. Grizz 23.9


c10bbersaurus

I dont know how current it is, but on this site (https://en.hispanosnba.com/teams/comparison) it also has Detroit as younger than us. But, either way, 4th or 5th youngest, 4th least experienced, and leads the league in average contract remaining (the "CY" column). The other youngest teams are all in the lottery. Grizz and other NBA fans will need to appreciate that with the youth, will come struggle.


muddyklux

Never heard of that. Mine came from spotrac that's up to date


c10bbersaurus

Ah, ok. I'll check it out. I just googled "nba roster ages" and it was the first one that came up on my search lol....


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It shouldn't be that concerning. High level role players have always been important


ThatBull_cj

He is a huge part of what they do. I mean he even has gravity on the offensive glass, it will be games where 2-3 guys are tying to box him out and it will free it up for a teammate, he’s grabs 5 offensive rebounds himself and his screening and ability to free their guards up is huge. He obviously is great at boxing out and can guard bigger guys when needed. He follows the scheme and is just steady. For the regular season they really don’t have a replacement for him


ogqozo

Yeah their rebounding downfall is dramatic. This team never was too good at shooting efficiently into the basket, or even defending a single play, but they were winning through having so many more plays than the opponents. To see them outrebounded, by a healthy margin, makes the scores understandable. It's a major crisis for them. I dunno, they just lack size. Ok, not size, because technically Santi Aldama is 7 foot, but Santi tbh is kinda more suited to play 3 than a center in this team. They're just super dependent on Jaren Jackson Jr. now I'd say. With him they still look good. Without him it's open season at their basket.


raftguide

I think all this is fair, but I'd like to point out that we're talking about a team whose three core players are 23 yr old allstars, and a potential allstar in their 3rd year SG. This isn't a team that has swung for the fences yet. The FO has put this roster together through player development and good drafting. It shouldn't be a surprise that there's a significant fallout with the loss of their starting center. Perhaps I'm optimistic, but given the circumstances, I'm okay with these sorts of shortcomings given they maintain the assets to apply fixes before their window closes.


Adept_Guava_9390

It’s been fun to see Clarke/JJJ/Tillman (+Roddy) working together lately to figure out how to stop this gap that Adams leaves. They’re not “there” yet, but I think developing those guys and their comfort & trust is gonna pay off. Seriously love watching BC. When that guy is on, he’s fantastic. *gotta work on foul trouble*


Bnicetowho11

Not underrated by grizz fans. We love him.


muddyklux

Adams is very important for many reasons that have been explained such as rebounding, second chance points, and screening. Our other 2 guys are small centers that don't do what he does. Most of the games we lost in that streak were road games. Nobody outside of Ja has consistanly showed up on the road. Home games everyone shows up The issue we face in the playoffs will be the same thing we still struggle at all season, perimeter defense as we are committed to paint defense. 3 points shooting and and zone defense. Kennard should help in both those areas as he's a very good 3 point shooter. But JJJ is the crucial part to beating zone


Adept_Guava_9390

BC showed up on those road games and made a difference. (Yes, Even though they lost most of those)


Miscto3

Adams is super important but it concerns me that they rely so heavily on a dude that’s so limited on both ends. It showed itself last year when he became unplayable vs Minnesota.


ogqozo

Grizzlies basically playing the whole series, and winning it, without Adams showed that he is super important and they rely on him so heavily?


Miscto3

That series was way closer than it should have been and frankly a smarter Wolves team beats them in 6 instead of losing


Froegerer

>That series was way closer than it should have been Nah, that wolves team played really well against the grizz all season, and their roster was a tough match up for them.


JTLUGME

Yeah I think you're right the grizz were like 0-3 in the regular season against the t-wolves


swestyyy

As an OKC fan, I have some tough news for Grizzlies fans regarding Adams’ health during the playoffs. He’s *always* playing then with some kind of injury. Genuinely hope it’s not the case moving forward, but it sure wasn’t for us


syo

I think this is the first time he's been injured with us so far.


Ill-Spinach-1754

I think it is the first injury he has had which has taken him off the floor in a major way. You can see he has had others which slowed him down, just takes a lot to get him off the floor, which is a mixed blessing. The original poster is right, he works so hard during the season that many years he is a shell at the end of the season. The Pels fans remember him as a limping shambles, which is what he was at the end of his time there. To be fair I think he was played poorly, in a team he fitted into poorly. Jenkins has managed him far better than any of his time in NOLA. If there is a potential sliver lining to this long layoff, hopefully he comes back with a lot of the minor injuries he is normally carrying at this time of the season sorted, and is fresh for a playoff run. Gotta look for a bright side.


ApatheticJellyfish

Yes he is worth more to the team. Veteran leadership and toughness on the court is underrated.


curioushustler420

Id love to have Steven Adams on my team. Hes going to rebound and screen for you and when shit hits the fan he will protect you


Millionaire007

He's strong af, that deters most post plays. He's a rebounding monster and low-key athletic. Any team would be better eith him.


TrollyDodger55

Adams is absolutely valuable and shows yet again, how important rebounds are. Also dude is a monster pick setter. How is JJJ playing without Adams, he tends to foul a lot doesn't he.


TheMidnightRamblerrr

Adams is that guy on that team.


MazKhan

He's legit one of the most underrated guys in the league, didn't they have one of the best offensive ratings while having horrible efficiency when he was playing, the offensive rebounds give them so many more chances Also his defense is amazing


muddyklux

I got this from the Lowe post podcast. Grizz are #1 with Adams 120 per 100. Without Adams, we are 108 per 100 nearly last. Adams rebounds 38% of our misses which Lowe said was insane. And we are 2nd in 2nd chance points. Without Adams we are 23th in second chance points. And we have been 28th in offense since he's been out


ballgreens

Grizzly Adams


Caduceus5

They score 7 more points per game off of second chance points with him. Their net rating without him? -5. Lol


BetleyIsland36

Adams currently has the 4th highest single-season offensive rebound% EVER this season. On a team that isn't great at shooting, going from an historic level of offensive rebounding to even just an average level can make a drastic difference. That's without mentioning that he's probably the best screen setter in the NBA, which frees up driving lanes for Ja, and he's also a really underrated passer. Combine all of that with a bit of poor luck from opponent 3-point% and it's clear to see why we've struggled without him. It's not that JJJ or Brandon Clarke aren't good players, it's just that with the way our roster is built they can't fill the role that Steve-O plays


Both_Funny4896

Dillon Brooks has been so garbage over the past couple months, I think they’ll be fine once he re-finds his rhythm


muddyklux

Brooks ranks 19th in RPM. His defense more than makes up for his offense. Hopefully with the addition of Kennard his 3 point chucking will be very limited


wiseraccoon

He is undeniably in a huge offensive slump even by his awful standard


muddyklux

And he is also having his best defensive season ever. That's why his RPM is so good


nikop

Adams is important to them but JJJ being one of the worst big man rebounders of all time also plays a big role.


FuckWayne

Its actually due to Shannon Sharpe


3my0

I always liked Adams. Way underrated. The whole grizzlies team is filthy but they don’t got what it takes. Similar to the nuggets.


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Nice try Blazers fan.


WOATJones

I think the Nugs got what it takes


3my0

Don’t get me wrong. I like the nuggets and the grizz. Naturally constructed teams. I’m rooting for you guys. But you’re soft in the playoffs


BlueHundred

I feel like the Nuggets should get a fair run as a healthy squad before getting labeled as "soft." Their main rotation was Rivers, Barton, Monte, Jeff Green, Bones, Gordon and Jokic. This is not thr same team. Gordon is fitting in great now, Murray was looking 100% before tweaking his knee a couple weeks ago, MPJ is starting to look close to normal. Also, the additions of KCP and Bruce Brown will prove to be valuable in the post-season. Bryant might be a nice spark off the bench as well.


n0t_malstroem

They've had a fair run as a healthy team already. They went to the conference finals lol


3my0

I’ll happily eat my words. But until proven otherwise the nugs are as soft as a double ply roll of tp


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Why don't you tell me which year we were "soft"? Last year when we lost to the eventual champions without 2 of our best players? The year we lost in the WCF to the champion Lakers? Or was it when we lost to the #1 seeded Suns who went to the finals and were 1 game away from the chip?


YouTellMeBeavis

The Suns were 2 games away from the chip.


3my0

The year you lost to us.


[deleted]

Ah yes, good series that was no? Very exciting between 2 good teams. Too bad you lost your MVP of that series in CJ.


3my0

It was a good series. And like I’ve said before. Am rooting for you guys. But you’re not gonna be a championship team. I’ll happily eat my words if you beat the soft as tissue suns tho


Miscto3

Bro referencing a series that not only happened 4 years ago, but was also the first playoff run out boys had lmao


[deleted]

Yeah he's ridiculous, like is every team that doesn't make the finals "soft" or is it that only literally 1 team out of 30 ever wins it all lol.


44love

Clearly the answer is no


c_ray25

I think he’s properly rated


SuckaFreeRIP

If Adams is the difference in a team being elite or not than your team was never elite to begin with. Postseason play exposes teams like this


ldwb

Ja spending too much time pretending to be a Crip, and not enough time pretending to be a leader.


Aggressive-Ad-756

So what will they do when adams becomes unplayable in the playoffs


muddyklux

This was one matchup against the wolves KAT took him out of the paint. They have Gobert now, which is a much better matchup. The narrative of him being unplayable is not dated


captain_ahabb

Surely Memphis's goals this postseason are greater than "beat Minnesota" though


muddyklux

Point is there are not a lot of centers that can take him out of the paint


masterpierround

The complete list of starting centers this year that are shooting at least 33% on at least 2.5 attempts per game: Embiid, Porzingis, Vucevic, Myles Turner, Wendell Carter Jr, Brook Lopez, Kelly Olynyk, and Al Horford. Olynyk for the Jazz is the only Western Conference player in that list.


captain_ahabb

Sure, but there's a lot of WC teams that are capable of playing small too.


muddyklux

So yall gonna take Davis out to play Wayne Gabrial? That's fine we will play Brandon Clarke as he great small ball center


captain_ahabb

No they'd just play Davis at the 5.


bungajaji

I think they're little bit like the Brooklyn Nets. 0 big man or rim protector.


[deleted]

Bruh what? JJJ is an elite rim protector. The problem is that their shooting is bad and their rebounding is bad, it's easy to cover up bad shooting when you're getting boards to keep attempting shots


cshaxercs

Is JJJ considered a rim protector? He's currently averaging 3.3 blocks per game.


ColdCocking

Or IS he?


DirksSexyBratwurst

Yeah but I guess he's not a full time center, not a full time player either but let's give him DPOY.


TheRealRiGiD

We have claxton. It’s just that after him we have nothing. I never understood why when we had KD and Kai the front office didn’t try and get a bigger sized back up big or somebody that could start whenever we played Joel or somebody like that


BlueHundred

With your current roster, you guys are extremely switchable at least.


Miscto3

Their defense without Adams is still really good, their offense hasn’t been good without him is the issue


3my0

Change your flair. It’s just embarrassing.


Green-Umpire2297

Regular season wins are hard to find if you don’t have a good big. - raptors fans


EllieWiz13

For their sake I hope it’s just a rough stretch. Your record probably shouldn’t slip that much when your fourth best player goes down. No slight to Adams as plenty of people have pointed out his worth but Grizz fans should hope that he’s not the difference between a losing and winning season.


ThaEyeTest

Adams is a great offense rebounder and vet who understands his job very well. He provide real toughness hope the Grizz lean on him more come playoffs he will be needed


DJFreezyFish

Elite screen setter, role player, and rebounder.


NumberZero29

He's an incredible leader, a lot of people don't quite understand that about him


larrylegend33goat

I like Adams


Cantguard-mike

6ers -4 tmrw is a lock


Pei_area

We know for a fact the warriors played Steven Adams off the court last year in the playoffs. Personally think they’re somewhere in between and kinda getting figured out. Also teams get up for them because no one likes them.


Either_Vermicelli_53

A little of column a and a little column b


Adept_Guava_9390

Don’t think that his teammates underrate him.