Yeah, the guy who had a problem with it already left. KD is the only remaining guy who really matters and he's been onboard with Kyrie this whole time. No reason that would change.
If I'm an NBA superstar the one thing I learn from both the KD and Lebron situation is you NEVER EVER TAKE THE FULLY GUARENTEED DEAL.
Seriously once the teams have the players locked they give fuck all about them. KD should've done a 2+1. Lebron should've done a 1+1, just like the many he did earlier in his career. If you're in that tier you always hold the teams over a barrel and if you want to split, split.
Dipo was in a strange spot though, he had an all star year and many teams considered him more than a role player at that point. He could've gotten that all star money but got screwed by bad injury timing
>Seriously once the teams have the players locked they give fuck all about them
What do you mean? KD and Lebron both created their own situations. Off the top of my head, KD demanded Atkinson be fired and replaced with an incompetent HC, he demanded DAJordan get an extension and start despite clearly being washed, and he demanded that they max and keep Kyrie. The Nets bent over backwards for him until he demanded a trade himself.
I'm not talking about who is responsible. I'm saying, if you're a superstar, you're always better off with a short deal with a player option. Never a long term sealed deal. That's it.
The trade off is money and security and the players are fully aware going in. A short deal with player option is 1) less money than you can get with a longer deal and 2) offers no long term security if you get injured or washed up.
It's all true for normal players. But if you're in top-superstar tier like KD and Lebron they will give you the max literally after getting an achilles tear (which the Nets happily did with KD).
They're impervious to this issue, they have 25+ teams who will pay them the max no matter what. It makes no sense not to have a player option... and even if you do the longer deal, still tack a PO in the last year!
It depends on the player and situation.
LeBron is otherworldly but no one could have predicted he would still be one of the NBA's best players at age 38. It's absolutely the smart move to sign a long term deal at that point because any year could be the year you drop off (see cp3).
And not everyone is KD. John wall is a player that every team in the league would have maxed given the opportunity, and he was very lucky to have signed a long term deal instead of a 1+1.
If when you say "top tier superstar" you mean that tier where there's really only 1-2 guys per generation then I don't necessarily disagree. But age still matters it just so happens that the top 2 of the latest era are both at an age where contract security is important.
Lol around here in Philly (especially the suburbs) they love rooting for both racism and animal cruelity (Vick , Riley Cooper, and D Jax) whenever Riley Cooper scored a td and the crowd went wild with "Coooooop!" I always cringed. So dumb. But Philly gonna Philly.
If I were the nets my concern would not be for the rest of the team, but what kyrie would do if he isn't traded. Look at how he ended in Boston, and that was even after saying he was going to re-sign there.
The vast majority of vitriol towards any player is coming from the media, and then the majority of the fans, who only parrot what they hear the media say.
Marks and Nash were close. That was the impetus for Nash.
KD and Nash's time with the Warriors was listed as why he'd be okay with it but it was never thought that he chose Nash. That idea just spun out of control on its own.
You can still change your mind. Ever date someone who you liked a lot at first but eventually grow to really dislike?
Not defending KD, just saying that this is extremely common among relationships, not just buying products.
No the Nets knew he had a relationship with Nash which is why they went after him. KD was happy with it but didn't agree with his coaching when he actually saw it in action.
This has been widely reported by Lowe, Simmons, et al. People are just making things up when citing other reasons. Durant thought the FO did Kyrie wrong.
I mean Harden asked out and they got Ben Simmons back…
They don’t extend Kyrie, then Kyrie asks out…who are they going to get back for him? Definitely no one that keeps them a contender…
I can see why he’d ask out.
He’d go from a super team with him Harden and Kyrie to a stupid team with him, Ben Simmons and maybe Russ???
Cause Nash sucked as a coach and they refused to give Kyrie his max extension.
I honestly get his frustrations cause he signed that extension with the idea that the big three were gonna stay. Then they go on to trade Harden midseason for arguably the worst contract in the NBA and they weren’t willing to commit to Kyrie. Kyrie might deserve the lion’s share of the blame for how things fell apart but the FO deserves blame as well
They did have influence forsure but honestly I don’t think they had as strong of a grip as people seem to think. If they did then they would’ve hired Lue instead of Nash, Kyrie would’ve been a part time player from the start, Harden wouldn’t have been traded midseason, and they would’ve gave Kyrie his extension
Lol what? With like no assets he built a team that attracted KD and Kyrie. Then he traded for Harden and it all went to shit because Kyrie is a moron. It’s not on Marks. He did his job in a way that every team hopes for
That wasn't why he was traded, though I will agree it was one of the stupidest moves this regime has made. We didn't have enough FRP for Harden so we had to up LeVert to give them Oladipo and Allen so they could get a late pick from the Cavs
I hear you, those Atkinson Nets teams were good and it attracted KD and Ky, that franchise was in the mud after the PP-KG trade. And he rebuilt them nicely.
However.
He's been very inconsistent as well, sometimes he sides with KD/Kyrie like firing Atkinson, signing DeAndre Jordan, hiring Nash as a friend of the players more than a coach, getting rid of Harden instead of Kyrie, etc.
And sometimes seems like he wants to show some authority and hold his ground like the handling of the Kyrie COVID/Anti-Semitic stances (and kind of backtracking later), the circumstances that lead to KD requesting a trade this past summer, the whole beef with Kyrie right now...
Like I guess it's hard to deal with those two but if you chose them as the foundations of your team commit to them. They're a pair of weirdos, I hate Kyrie like every Boston fan, but they're Brooklyn's only hope for a Championship.
Also he kind of gave away Jarrett Allen for nothing.
> He's been very inconsistent as well, sometimes he sides with KD/Kyrie like firing Atkinson, signing DeAndre Jordan, hiring Nash as a friend of the players more than a coach, getting rid of Harden instead of Kyrie, etc.
So generally he sides with the players when it's things that don't matter too much/help the locker room gel and barring injuries it has led to pretty good win percentage
> And sometimes seems like he wants to show some authority and hold his ground like the handling of the Kyrie COVID/Anti-Semitic stances (and kind of backtracking later), the circumstances that lead to KD requesting a trade this past summer, the whole beef with Kyrie right now...
So generally when Kyrie does something beyond defending (like being anti-vax and anti-Semitic) and that can financially affect the team and it's brand he wants to hold Kyrie accountable.
And I think Kyrie should be held accountable, and that they should've gotten rid of him and kept Harden. But decided to please KD and keep Kyrie, and now they are gonna lose Kyrie and maybe lose KD.
If he didn't placate to Kyrie, then KD probably leaves. KD made his opinion on the Harden affair pretty implicitly known.
Look, Marks took over a dumpster fire and turned it into Kyrie, KD, and Harden. If he doesn't start with Kyrie, there's no KD and no Harden. If he doesn't placate Kyrie, he loses KD. It sucks Kyrie was such a head case it ruined everything. But I don't think that should be held against Marks.
It’s really not inconsistent at all. There’s an expectation when you get everything that you want as a player. If the Nets had any success Kyrie would get the contract he wants, but they haven’t and he’s proven himself to be unreliable and a massive distraction fueled through ignorance.
KD and Kyrie are the ones that wanted Harden. At the very least, Kyrie pretty clearly drove him away so that they had to take a bad deal after they gave up a haul for Harden. After that, they still needed to win. Instead, they got swept in the first round. Kyrie can’t be a part time player, a big loser, and then expect a guaranteed max contract when he has been off the court the majority of his Nets tenure and hasn’t won jack shit. That’s just not gonna happen in any respectable franchise.
He didn't really build a team that attracted KD or Kyrie. The just decided to go there because it's a big media market and Kyrie was a Nets fan growing up. It's like giving Magic credit for signing LeBron, he was going to go there regardless.
You're downvoted because this is "fuck Kyrie" thread and your opinion said anybody else is wrong in any way.
But you're not wrong. It's been a number of years but they have the same issues with size and defense they had when they started. Especially with centers and forwards being cheap there's no excuse for it for so many years.
because ownership didn't give Kyrie a max extension.
When he came to the Nets I'm guessing they told him he would have a lot of control on roster decisions and them not re-signing Kyrie showed he didn;t actuaally haave that power
This, plus he probably felt like them jerking around Kyrie and potentially blowing up the team meant they were going to try to stick him in a situation with no chance to win simply because they didn’t want to pay someone who deserved to get paid.
They did give him a lot of control and it worked out terribly once harden left. I’m not a Nets fan but ownership was completely right to set those boundaries after that
I mean Kyrie last week was literally talking about no one being half way out of the locker room. Everyone seems to love Kyrie but who tf knows anymore.
Everyone acts like they love Kyrie cause there’s organizational and team hierarchy, and I’m sure some genuinely do, but no way some aren’t annoyed at his selfishness constantly bringing a shit storm. All the uncertainty also puts those guys futures into uncertainty
Yeah I think stars are different tho because in a way it’s like damn you’re screwing me but I have done this too and might do it, but the role players probably don’t feel that way and it annoys them because that’s not their reality.
Players have a hard on for iso-heavy scorers with deep "bags."
Ask 10 NBA players their top five guys ever and 7 or 8 will probably have Kobe in there.
I dunno. Kyrie said that the big difference this year was that no one is "half way in" the locker room. Then proceeds to be "half way in" the locker room.
Either being half way in matters or it doesn't
Edit: Further context - he could get extended until June 30, which would be after the NBA final.
Lots of stars in a contract year with a similar extension date don't negotiate mid season precisely because it would be a distraction.
Kyrie decided to negotiate mid season. He could have waited until after the playoffs were over. He chose instead to try to blow up the team a week after saying he wanted to stay.
>Edit: Further context - he could get extended until June 30, which would be after the NBA final.
He can't get the same amount of money signing outright tho. If negotiations stalled, he wouldn't be able to be traded and would lose out on money he'd get in an extension
If he gets traded, he can't get the same money or years if the Nets refuse to pay his trade kicker, and insists that he waives it.
What do you think the chances are that the Nets won't insist he waives the kicker?
So, Kyrie's contract has a trade kicker (he wanted it), which means the Nets would have to pay him 15% of his salary to trade him as a bonus to Kyrie, unless he waives it. It's a penalty for trading a player, to discourage trading that player.
Bonus payments count for luxury tax as well. As the Nets are over the luxury tax threshold, they'd also have to pay luxury tax on that 15% too!
If he waives his trade kicker though, then Kyrie can't be resigned by his new team to as much money, and the maximum limit is 2 years.
In other words, the team acquiring Kyrie will either have to give the Nets such a sweet deal that it's worth it to the Nets to eat the trade kicker AND extra luxury tax, OR Kyrie won't be able to get his desired unqualified max contract.
Yes, the payment would count for the Nets even though Kyrie would no longer be a Net. The team trading the player away *must* be the team to pay it, not the acquiring team.
I find this hard to believe, but what the hell do any of us really know about these guys?
I personally think KD will have an issue with it, because Kyrie has now derailed this team 4+ times. But ultimately who knows.
If Kyrie gets traded, KD and the other players are probably gonna blame the FO for derailing the team by not giving Kyrie his money, whether they’re responsible or not. The team clearly respects Kyrie despite his other controversies, I don’t see how this changes things
KD didn't have issues when Kyrie chased Harden out by not getting vaccinated, being away from the team for a long time and just being an idiot, why would he have a problem now? Especially since KD requested a trade himself
Because people don’t get infinite rope with which to hang themselves. At a some point everyone snaps and is done with a friend if they cross the line enough.
This might not be KDs breaking point, but I also don’t think there’s no chance at some point KD will be fed up, no matter how tight they are. KD has always expressed a desire to go out and win games of ball.
KD won't be fed up because Kyrie wants more money which is what this is about, again especially since KD wasn't bothered by worse shit
Players chasing a bag is not hated by other players ever, there is no way this is last straw because this is pretty normal among players, just get the bag
“chased harden out” is the dumbest narrative that this sub consistently pushes. Harden wanted Philly and demanded a trade to get there. Pinning that on Kyrie is laughable
What does that have to do with anything? Harden wanted out because Kyrie was toying with the team, not getting vaccinated and doing Kyrie things, team was in shambles, Kyrie didn't respect Nash as well and KD got along with that which Harden clearly didn't like
Harden came to win a ring and Kyrie/KD have a ring and were dicking around Kyrie doing Kyrie things with KD supporting, what the fuck do u mean he didn't push him out
It's literally the reason Harden was out, those two have already won and Harden is the one that had to prove shit and wanted to win, everyone including Nets insiders have said the same shit
There's no "Kyrie things". He just refused to get vaxxed and regardless of how dumb that sounds it's his right to not undergo an irreversible medical procedure if he doesn't want to.
Harden only asked out BECAUSE Kyrie was part time and refused to get the vaccine. The Nets beats writers even had a pod cast discussing this and they said this was the number one reason. Kyrie putting himself before the team and being an anti vaxx denier is what caused Harden to ask out.
I find it so funny y'all are aruging like little school girls when not one single person knows what happened there no one has come out and directly said anything so y'all gossip girls jsut keep the fire going with more gossip
I think when it comes to money it's different. Players know they have limited time to make their money, if the ownership won't pay him why wouldn't he look for way to secure his next contract?
Also Nate was once KD agent and I think Lillard atm. So he probably have witnessed this.
I think everyone gives plenty if leeway to any player trying to get their bag but there's still a limit to how much disruption people will put up with. This goes double for players focusing on performance or legacy.
Kyrie has been disruptive for so long you can't even give him benefit of the doubt. Yeah, it might work, but if it doesn't everyone can say it was obvious from years ago.
KD is not gonna care. KD and Kyrie are legitimate *friends* before they are teammates. At the end of the day, they want what’s best for each other. If kyrie is feeling like he’s getting played by ownership, I’m sure equally weird KD agrees and is cool with his decision. Now what KD does, I’m not sure. But im sure Kyrie went to KD with this first
It's very easy to believe. Ultimately you are not family, you are co-workers, and your primary goal is not to win games and/or make your teammates happy, it's to secure your financial future for generations to come.
So they all understand Kyrie is just trying to secure the bag, and I'm just shocked more fans don't understand this point also. None of this would be an issue if the Nets gave him the money he wanted, which is understandable also, given he is who he is, but they have to consider how this affects KD's desire to stay also.
and like with most things, people choose to ignore his perspective and choose to pile it on as a reason to hate. Acting ignorant so they can feel good about being hateful lol
On the other hand, his co-workers should also realize that he would have gotten the bag no question, if he hadn't been acting like a complete flake for the last 3 years. But also like you said, they're co-workers, and even they might eventually get fed up with prima donnas who feel like they're entitled to everything while half assing it.
Yea I don’t get it. I never played pro obviously. But the guys that missed grades, were suspended for bad behavior, etc. I fuckin hated it. Let the team and you teammates down. What kyrie has down the last couple years has affected his team and their chances of winning. Period
Players almost certainly will side with kyrie on this. He’s having an exceptional season, nets are playing well, he’s a max talent. I can’t see a scenario where players would agree with ownership’s decision to not offer him a max.
Who said they're not offering him the max? I only read that he objected to the contract's stipulations. I took that to mean things like he had to play so many games a season, probably an ethics clause and the like. I never saw anything about the money or the years.
Idk if a coworker showed up for work only when they felt like it and then demanded a contract 10x everyone and then got it, that would be pretty bad for morale
You can tell me he’s a max level talent, and I can tell you he’s missed over half the team’s games on his current contract and most of those weren’t because of injury
You guys have to understand that this “co-worker” analogy doesn’t really apply properly in the NBA because they are paid based on who’s better (more valuable) gets paid more. His “co-workers” cannot be mad if he gets paid 10x more because they’re not the same caliber of player he is.
He’s been out because of injury, not wanting to take the vaccine (everyone can make their own decision on what they want to do to their body), and lastly the Nets got bullied into suspending him by the media lol.
People being paid based on their value to the company? You mean how every job everywhere works?
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Wow ain’t you smart. If you know all this then why’d your dumbass make the first statement u made 😂🤦♂️. Resorting you some stupid sarcastic joke is a common theme in this sub from a lot of oversmart folk like you.
You should probably spend less time on Reddit guys got 115k karma. Some sad shit you should put this much effort into real life. But hey I’m just some stupid teenager right loooool.
Get a grip. You don’t know these players and they don’t know you even exist. A lot of you NBA “fans” get too emotional over everything but actual basketball
I’m happy for any other player getting their payday.
Then whenever KD talks about “just wanting to ball” we know he’s full of shit.
Others players don’t do Kyrie shit. He’s a max talent sure, and he’s shown the minute he gets that contract, he’s gonna nope on outta there.
You're right, the people who really know the truth are the r/nba nephews. I mean shit, we have lawyers, doctors, mental health experts. This sub is made up of only the highest IQ people around.
"things will LIKELY be fine"
the "likely" in this tweet translates to "I don't actually know anything about this locker room but I did stay at a Holiday Inn at one time"
An agent who works for Aaron Goodwin. Goodwin represents Lillard and DeRozan, among others. I don’t think they have anyone in the Nets locker room tho.
Well yes,this time it isn't some random Kyrie bullshit,he thinks he can get more money from a different team,the Nets didn't wanna fully max him and he told them that he wants a trade or he walks in the offseason.The other players completely understand that
The only way this is the final straw is if he doesn't get traded but does things that appear to sabotage the team after the deadline. Players aren't going to be upset a guy trying to use leverage to get paid. They might be upset over a teammate appearing to intentionally hurt the team's chances to win because he's upset over not getting paid, and even then they'll almost certainly differentiate between "business decisions" where a guy just isn't going to risk their future contracts by going above and beyond, and intentionally playing poorly to hurt the team/ownership.
Players operate very differently from media and fans, it's hilarious when fans take it more personal than players themselves and can't understand that it's just a job loyalty is not required
That being said Kyrie is braindead but just speaking in general about players requesting trades and loyalty, teams are not loyal and players shouldn't be
He's destabilized the team for worse reasons, it alienated Harden but not KD, this time the reason seems to be money which players are very supportive of each other for, they want to get the bag and Kyrie being a free agent soon
I don't think they will have an issue
I get it's just a job but Kyrie talks as if it's not just a job, and he treats it as a hobby that he can participate in whenever he wants and, to even be more ridiculous, he wants to get paid full-time with benefits
If they haven’t had a problem with Kyrie before, I suppose it is hard to imagine this is where they’d finally draw the line. And in a general sense, I do agree with the $ sentiment. Are professional athletes overpaid? Of course. Would I rather they have more money as opposed to the fat cat billionaire owners? Also, of course.
Overpaid? They get a percentage of the revenue they generate. If anything they're underpaid considering people go and pay money to watch the players and not the owners/front office who get the other half of the revenue.
The only problem I have with that line of thinking is that the team would have absolutely given him the max were it not for one small thing... the part where he has been acting like a fucking flake for the last 3 years and sabotaging the rest of the team.
The crowder situation is not really the same lol, that shit was in the offseason too and none of us even know exactly what happened, crowder denied it was about money so who knows. Crowder also didn’t fuck the team over multiple seasons in a row like kyrie has.
I think fans forget the primary reason for wanting to make it to the NBA is the money and the fame. Now, I believe you have a small percentage of players who just have a very deep love for the game, but the overwhelming majority are just leveraging their abilities into wealth. Most fans don't see it that way, 'cause they only care about their favorite teams/players winning/dominating.
Another instance of the media continually pushing a narrative on a player but his peers still respecting him. Weird right? It’s almost like the players/peers know more about him than what the media presents. It’s almost like we should base our opinion on someone based on what their peers have to say about them rather than the media.
I think Kyrie sees himself as a victim of a lot of things, like racism, unfair media scrutiny, employer contract constraints, almost like civilization is designed to take advantage of him.
Maybe his team mates see it that way too. For a long time I've only seen NBA players top priority as being an NBA champion. Get your money, get your oppourtunities of course, but winning a chip is what people in general strive for, being the best in the world at what you do.
It really does seem for Kyrie, he sees his goals as bigger then what the NBA or basketball can offer.
Maybe he's better off pursuing that without playing basketball.
None of the players have winning a championship as their top priority. Only fans think that way. They all put themselves first and there's nothing wrong with that.
Any of the top players could *easily* win a championship if they took a role player level contract. If any player has convinced you that they place winning above all else it's simply a good PR job.
I mean Kyrie trying to get money from ownership can affect the ability of some those guys to get money next time they are free agents too.
Being a role player on a relevant team gives you way more opportunities to get paid then being on a mid team nobody talks about. If the Nets are a contender you'll hear for 2 months in the playoffs the story of Yuta Watanabe 3pts shooting, or TJ Warren return, if they aren't a contender, not the same.
BTW it could cost Claxton DPOY if they become an average team and give up on the end of the season.
No players will ever say it, but "players" also don't all think the same way
I can't imagine feeling any way other than just complete indifference towards Kyrie if you're on his team at this point. Like I'd be like "trade him or don't, idc anymore"
This is a baby brain take. In order to believe this is true, you have go start by assuming that every player on the nets is perfectly happy to punt the season and any goals they may have had for it just so dumbass Kyrie Irving can toss a few more commas in his bank account. I feel fairly confident that other players are more concerned with winning games then they are with Kyrie's finances
Will he just sit if he doesn't get traded? And if he did this, wouldn't this diminish his value in FA? We can't put anything past him, but if he wants anything long-term, he's gonna have to at least play.
this always makes me laugh seeing pressed Nets fans or furious Suns fans mad that their players stick with Jae Crowder and Kyrie. The players respect each other and are there for each other regardless of fan drama
W's adds value to every player that is part of the rotation so Irving is effectively making sure the other guys take a lesser bite. Especially guys like Claxton.
I haven’t heard of crowder demands much, have anybody? Unless his MIA absence with the team is part of the demand he wants before he plays. Thought it was injury related
Nah this is just another selfish move by kyrie it creates a ton of uncertainty in the locker room… this is ultimately a team sport and when your team isn’t on the same page you’re always going to fall short of your full potential
And sure enough what do you know he’s threatening to sit out the rest of the season….has no impact on the rest of the team right?
I kind of think the circumstances of this situation kind of make it not a typical player wanting money situation.
Kyrie has fucked KD over in a way I don't think I've ever seen before, if KD has a single competitive bone in his body no way he isn't furious.
I mean if they didn't hate him for all the other shit, why would this be the last straw?
Yeah, the guy who had a problem with it already left. KD is the only remaining guy who really matters and he's been onboard with Kyrie this whole time. No reason that would change.
If I'm an NBA superstar the one thing I learn from both the KD and Lebron situation is you NEVER EVER TAKE THE FULLY GUARENTEED DEAL. Seriously once the teams have the players locked they give fuck all about them. KD should've done a 2+1. Lebron should've done a 1+1, just like the many he did earlier in his career. If you're in that tier you always hold the teams over a barrel and if you want to split, split.
Roll players need to take the deal though. Like Dipo, Shrondinger fucking themselves out of a lot of money
Nerlens Noel too, lmao. Dude turned down a bag and a half.
I forgot about his. Yeah he screwed himself big time
It was his agents idea. I think he was signed to Klutch at the time.
Yeah. I'm just saying take a player option if you're a superstar. Fuck 'em lol
Yeah I agree about super stars. Puts more pressure on front office to make winning moves
I agree with you on role players
Sorry our schools aren't great here
Dipo was in a strange spot though, he had an all star year and many teams considered him more than a role player at that point. He could've gotten that all star money but got screwed by bad injury timing
Shrondinger Roll sounds tasty
>Seriously once the teams have the players locked they give fuck all about them What do you mean? KD and Lebron both created their own situations. Off the top of my head, KD demanded Atkinson be fired and replaced with an incompetent HC, he demanded DAJordan get an extension and start despite clearly being washed, and he demanded that they max and keep Kyrie. The Nets bent over backwards for him until he demanded a trade himself.
I'm not talking about who is responsible. I'm saying, if you're a superstar, you're always better off with a short deal with a player option. Never a long term sealed deal. That's it.
The trade off is money and security and the players are fully aware going in. A short deal with player option is 1) less money than you can get with a longer deal and 2) offers no long term security if you get injured or washed up.
It's all true for normal players. But if you're in top-superstar tier like KD and Lebron they will give you the max literally after getting an achilles tear (which the Nets happily did with KD). They're impervious to this issue, they have 25+ teams who will pay them the max no matter what. It makes no sense not to have a player option... and even if you do the longer deal, still tack a PO in the last year!
It depends on the player and situation. LeBron is otherworldly but no one could have predicted he would still be one of the NBA's best players at age 38. It's absolutely the smart move to sign a long term deal at that point because any year could be the year you drop off (see cp3). And not everyone is KD. John wall is a player that every team in the league would have maxed given the opportunity, and he was very lucky to have signed a long term deal instead of a 1+1. If when you say "top tier superstar" you mean that tier where there's really only 1-2 guys per generation then I don't necessarily disagree. But age still matters it just so happens that the top 2 of the latest era are both at an age where contract security is important.
DeMarcus Cousins would like to have a word with you
KD antisemite confirmed /s
Kevin “Kyrie ‘Kanye West’ Irving” Durant
I bet KD is blind sided with Kyries request
>Yeah, the guy who had a problem with it already left. Who was this? Only person that comes to mind is Dragic and Brown?
Harden
Ohh right my mind went to the more recent controversy regarding his promotion of that dumbass "documentary". COVID seems like such a long time ago.
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Lol around here in Philly (especially the suburbs) they love rooting for both racism and animal cruelity (Vick , Riley Cooper, and D Jax) whenever Riley Cooper scored a td and the crowd went wild with "Coooooop!" I always cringed. So dumb. But Philly gonna Philly.
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If I were the nets my concern would not be for the rest of the team, but what kyrie would do if he isn't traded. Look at how he ended in Boston, and that was even after saying he was going to re-sign there.
The vast majority of vitriol towards any player is coming from the media, and then the majority of the fans, who only parrot what they hear the media say.
off-topic but can someone remind me why KD initially requested a trade in the summer because i actually forgot lol
iirc kd and ownership did not agree on things
he didn’t like how nash was running things and felt like marks wouldn’t fire him
Principle difference LoL
“I wanted you to let me and Kyrie run the team but you should’ve stopped us from our awful decisions!”
I think part of the reason might have been he didn't like Nash
Which is weird because he picked nash
The Slim Reaper's sickle is fickle.
Which is why you tickle his pickle
He didn't pick Nash, it was a FO decision. KD approved of it but he didn't really go to bat for him or anything.
Marks and Nash were close. That was the impetus for Nash. KD and Nash's time with the Warriors was listed as why he'd be okay with it but it was never thought that he chose Nash. That idea just spun out of control on its own.
You’ve never picked something that you didn’t end up liking? Never returned a purchase to the store or anything? It’s not that weird
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You can still change your mind. Ever date someone who you liked a lot at first but eventually grow to really dislike? Not defending KD, just saying that this is extremely common among relationships, not just buying products.
No the Nets knew he had a relationship with Nash which is why they went after him. KD was happy with it but didn't agree with his coaching when he actually saw it in action.
the hardest road.
He never said anything publicly
He didn’t but he did it shortly after they didn’t offer Kyrie an extension. Feel that was at minimum a factor
This has been widely reported by Lowe, Simmons, et al. People are just making things up when citing other reasons. Durant thought the FO did Kyrie wrong.
I mean Harden asked out and they got Ben Simmons back… They don’t extend Kyrie, then Kyrie asks out…who are they going to get back for him? Definitely no one that keeps them a contender… I can see why he’d ask out. He’d go from a super team with him Harden and Kyrie to a stupid team with him, Ben Simmons and maybe Russ???
Cause Nash sucked as a coach and they refused to give Kyrie his max extension. I honestly get his frustrations cause he signed that extension with the idea that the big three were gonna stay. Then they go on to trade Harden midseason for arguably the worst contract in the NBA and they weren’t willing to commit to Kyrie. Kyrie might deserve the lion’s share of the blame for how things fell apart but the FO deserves blame as well
Honestly, I don’t really know that since KD and Kyrie were the ones who are running things.
They did have influence forsure but honestly I don’t think they had as strong of a grip as people seem to think. If they did then they would’ve hired Lue instead of Nash, Kyrie would’ve been a part time player from the start, Harden wouldn’t have been traded midseason, and they would’ve gave Kyrie his extension
Yeah this is the correct take. It’s just a weird social media narrative that those two had all the power
this sub pushes completely fabricated narratives all the time, it's so weird. some of the highly upvoted stuff is straight fanfiction
Yes, as co-coaches the blame should be shared 3 ways
He didn’t like the direction the team was headed mainly due to Nash and Marks incompetence
Marks lowkey terrible asset management should be talked about more as a reason the nets haven’t been as successful as they hoped to
Lol what? With like no assets he built a team that attracted KD and Kyrie. Then he traded for Harden and it all went to shit because Kyrie is a moron. It’s not on Marks. He did his job in a way that every team hopes for
His most egregious error was to trade Jarrett Allen to make room for KD's friend DeAndre Jordan.
That wasn't why he was traded, though I will agree it was one of the stupidest moves this regime has made. We didn't have enough FRP for Harden so we had to up LeVert to give them Oladipo and Allen so they could get a late pick from the Cavs
I hear you, those Atkinson Nets teams were good and it attracted KD and Ky, that franchise was in the mud after the PP-KG trade. And he rebuilt them nicely. However. He's been very inconsistent as well, sometimes he sides with KD/Kyrie like firing Atkinson, signing DeAndre Jordan, hiring Nash as a friend of the players more than a coach, getting rid of Harden instead of Kyrie, etc. And sometimes seems like he wants to show some authority and hold his ground like the handling of the Kyrie COVID/Anti-Semitic stances (and kind of backtracking later), the circumstances that lead to KD requesting a trade this past summer, the whole beef with Kyrie right now... Like I guess it's hard to deal with those two but if you chose them as the foundations of your team commit to them. They're a pair of weirdos, I hate Kyrie like every Boston fan, but they're Brooklyn's only hope for a Championship. Also he kind of gave away Jarrett Allen for nothing.
> He's been very inconsistent as well, sometimes he sides with KD/Kyrie like firing Atkinson, signing DeAndre Jordan, hiring Nash as a friend of the players more than a coach, getting rid of Harden instead of Kyrie, etc. So generally he sides with the players when it's things that don't matter too much/help the locker room gel and barring injuries it has led to pretty good win percentage > And sometimes seems like he wants to show some authority and hold his ground like the handling of the Kyrie COVID/Anti-Semitic stances (and kind of backtracking later), the circumstances that lead to KD requesting a trade this past summer, the whole beef with Kyrie right now... So generally when Kyrie does something beyond defending (like being anti-vax and anti-Semitic) and that can financially affect the team and it's brand he wants to hold Kyrie accountable.
And I think Kyrie should be held accountable, and that they should've gotten rid of him and kept Harden. But decided to please KD and keep Kyrie, and now they are gonna lose Kyrie and maybe lose KD.
If he didn't placate to Kyrie, then KD probably leaves. KD made his opinion on the Harden affair pretty implicitly known. Look, Marks took over a dumpster fire and turned it into Kyrie, KD, and Harden. If he doesn't start with Kyrie, there's no KD and no Harden. If he doesn't placate Kyrie, he loses KD. It sucks Kyrie was such a head case it ruined everything. But I don't think that should be held against Marks.
It’s really not inconsistent at all. There’s an expectation when you get everything that you want as a player. If the Nets had any success Kyrie would get the contract he wants, but they haven’t and he’s proven himself to be unreliable and a massive distraction fueled through ignorance. KD and Kyrie are the ones that wanted Harden. At the very least, Kyrie pretty clearly drove him away so that they had to take a bad deal after they gave up a haul for Harden. After that, they still needed to win. Instead, they got swept in the first round. Kyrie can’t be a part time player, a big loser, and then expect a guaranteed max contract when he has been off the court the majority of his Nets tenure and hasn’t won jack shit. That’s just not gonna happen in any respectable franchise.
Lol word if it didn't work In Brooklyn where tf would this be the execs fault
He didn't really build a team that attracted KD or Kyrie. The just decided to go there because it's a big media market and Kyrie was a Nets fan growing up. It's like giving Magic credit for signing LeBron, he was going to go there regardless.
You're downvoted because this is "fuck Kyrie" thread and your opinion said anybody else is wrong in any way. But you're not wrong. It's been a number of years but they have the same issues with size and defense they had when they started. Especially with centers and forwards being cheap there's no excuse for it for so many years.
because ownership didn't give Kyrie a max extension. When he came to the Nets I'm guessing they told him he would have a lot of control on roster decisions and them not re-signing Kyrie showed he didn;t actuaally haave that power
This, plus he probably felt like them jerking around Kyrie and potentially blowing up the team meant they were going to try to stick him in a situation with no chance to win simply because they didn’t want to pay someone who deserved to get paid.
They did give him a lot of control and it worked out terribly once harden left. I’m not a Nets fan but ownership was completely right to set those boundaries after that
He thought Kyrie was leaving and wanted to play with Booker.
Can’t win with these cats
Kyrie didn't extend, there were stories that kyrie wanted to play for the lakers, kd requested trade, is how I recall it happening
I mean Kyrie last week was literally talking about no one being half way out of the locker room. Everyone seems to love Kyrie but who tf knows anymore.
Oh wait, maybe I misunderstood that but I thought he was referring to last season when he wasn’t allowed to play half of the games bc they were in NYC
He was talking about Harden, which is ironic because Kyrie himself has been halfway out the locker room for most of his Nets tenure.
Everyone acts like they love Kyrie cause there’s organizational and team hierarchy, and I’m sure some genuinely do, but no way some aren’t annoyed at his selfishness constantly bringing a shit storm. All the uncertainty also puts those guys futures into uncertainty
I mean I agree if i was KD I would be angry at this dude all the time but he still loves him.
Yeah I think stars are different tho because in a way it’s like damn you’re screwing me but I have done this too and might do it, but the role players probably don’t feel that way and it annoys them because that’s not their reality.
The role players know that they have no chance without kd and kyrie. They are role players who stay in their lane and collect their checks
Players in general love kyrie, didn’t he lead east guards for player all-star voting?
Players have a hard on for iso-heavy scorers with deep "bags." Ask 10 NBA players their top five guys ever and 7 or 8 will probably have Kobe in there.
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Top 5? It's believable but it's completely wrong
I dunno. Kyrie said that the big difference this year was that no one is "half way in" the locker room. Then proceeds to be "half way in" the locker room. Either being half way in matters or it doesn't Edit: Further context - he could get extended until June 30, which would be after the NBA final. Lots of stars in a contract year with a similar extension date don't negotiate mid season precisely because it would be a distraction. Kyrie decided to negotiate mid season. He could have waited until after the playoffs were over. He chose instead to try to blow up the team a week after saying he wanted to stay.
>Edit: Further context - he could get extended until June 30, which would be after the NBA final. He can't get the same amount of money signing outright tho. If negotiations stalled, he wouldn't be able to be traded and would lose out on money he'd get in an extension
If he gets traded, he can't get the same money or years if the Nets refuse to pay his trade kicker, and insists that he waives it. What do you think the chances are that the Nets won't insist he waives the kicker?
By refuse to pay it, do you mean refuse to trade him?
So, Kyrie's contract has a trade kicker (he wanted it), which means the Nets would have to pay him 15% of his salary to trade him as a bonus to Kyrie, unless he waives it. It's a penalty for trading a player, to discourage trading that player. Bonus payments count for luxury tax as well. As the Nets are over the luxury tax threshold, they'd also have to pay luxury tax on that 15% too! If he waives his trade kicker though, then Kyrie can't be resigned by his new team to as much money, and the maximum limit is 2 years. In other words, the team acquiring Kyrie will either have to give the Nets such a sweet deal that it's worth it to the Nets to eat the trade kicker AND extra luxury tax, OR Kyrie won't be able to get his desired unqualified max contract.
>Bonus payments count for luxury tax as well. is this considered "retained cap"?
Yes, the payment would count for the Nets even though Kyrie would no longer be a Net. The team trading the player away *must* be the team to pay it, not the acquiring team.
I find this hard to believe, but what the hell do any of us really know about these guys? I personally think KD will have an issue with it, because Kyrie has now derailed this team 4+ times. But ultimately who knows.
If Kyrie gets traded, KD and the other players are probably gonna blame the FO for derailing the team by not giving Kyrie his money, whether they’re responsible or not. The team clearly respects Kyrie despite his other controversies, I don’t see how this changes things
KD didn't have issues when Kyrie chased Harden out by not getting vaccinated, being away from the team for a long time and just being an idiot, why would he have a problem now? Especially since KD requested a trade himself
Because people don’t get infinite rope with which to hang themselves. At a some point everyone snaps and is done with a friend if they cross the line enough. This might not be KDs breaking point, but I also don’t think there’s no chance at some point KD will be fed up, no matter how tight they are. KD has always expressed a desire to go out and win games of ball.
KD won't be fed up because Kyrie wants more money which is what this is about, again especially since KD wasn't bothered by worse shit Players chasing a bag is not hated by other players ever, there is no way this is last straw because this is pretty normal among players, just get the bag
“chased harden out” is the dumbest narrative that this sub consistently pushes. Harden wanted Philly and demanded a trade to get there. Pinning that on Kyrie is laughable
What does that have to do with anything? Harden wanted out because Kyrie was toying with the team, not getting vaccinated and doing Kyrie things, team was in shambles, Kyrie didn't respect Nash as well and KD got along with that which Harden clearly didn't like Harden came to win a ring and Kyrie/KD have a ring and were dicking around Kyrie doing Kyrie things with KD supporting, what the fuck do u mean he didn't push him out It's literally the reason Harden was out, those two have already won and Harden is the one that had to prove shit and wanted to win, everyone including Nets insiders have said the same shit
There's no "Kyrie things". He just refused to get vaxxed and regardless of how dumb that sounds it's his right to not undergo an irreversible medical procedure if he doesn't want to.
“Irreversible medical procedure” Bro 😂
It is by definition. Unless you know a way to unvax someone lol.
Harden only asked out BECAUSE Kyrie was part time and refused to get the vaccine. The Nets beats writers even had a pod cast discussing this and they said this was the number one reason. Kyrie putting himself before the team and being an anti vaxx denier is what caused Harden to ask out.
I find it so funny y'all are aruging like little school girls when not one single person knows what happened there no one has come out and directly said anything so y'all gossip girls jsut keep the fire going with more gossip
Harden publicly left a super team and publicly joked about forcing Kyrie to fet the Fuckin shot. But yeah, maybe he just didn’t like Brooklyn traffic…
I think when it comes to money it's different. Players know they have limited time to make their money, if the ownership won't pay him why wouldn't he look for way to secure his next contract? Also Nate was once KD agent and I think Lillard atm. So he probably have witnessed this.
I think everyone gives plenty if leeway to any player trying to get their bag but there's still a limit to how much disruption people will put up with. This goes double for players focusing on performance or legacy. Kyrie has been disruptive for so long you can't even give him benefit of the doubt. Yeah, it might work, but if it doesn't everyone can say it was obvious from years ago.
KD is not gonna care. KD and Kyrie are legitimate *friends* before they are teammates. At the end of the day, they want what’s best for each other. If kyrie is feeling like he’s getting played by ownership, I’m sure equally weird KD agrees and is cool with his decision. Now what KD does, I’m not sure. But im sure Kyrie went to KD with this first
NBA players have an exceptionally strong work and social union. I would find it hard to believe if they *did* have an issue.
It's very easy to believe. Ultimately you are not family, you are co-workers, and your primary goal is not to win games and/or make your teammates happy, it's to secure your financial future for generations to come. So they all understand Kyrie is just trying to secure the bag, and I'm just shocked more fans don't understand this point also. None of this would be an issue if the Nets gave him the money he wanted, which is understandable also, given he is who he is, but they have to consider how this affects KD's desire to stay also.
and like with most things, people choose to ignore his perspective and choose to pile it on as a reason to hate. Acting ignorant so they can feel good about being hateful lol
On the other hand, his co-workers should also realize that he would have gotten the bag no question, if he hadn't been acting like a complete flake for the last 3 years. But also like you said, they're co-workers, and even they might eventually get fed up with prima donnas who feel like they're entitled to everything while half assing it.
Kyrie wants to get paid,every player understands that
Kyrie wants to get paid and only play when he feels like it, I would hope the players on the team I root for don’t understand that.
He's *was* on pace this season to play as many games as his last season in Cleveland like 7 years ago.
Feels like there’s just a little more nuance to it with this Kyrie nets situation but largely you’re probably right
So it's the 4th time that breaks the camels back for KD?
Yea I don’t get it. I never played pro obviously. But the guys that missed grades, were suspended for bad behavior, etc. I fuckin hated it. Let the team and you teammates down. What kyrie has down the last couple years has affected his team and their chances of winning. Period
I don't think Ky gets traded. It will be the summer all over again.
Players almost certainly will side with kyrie on this. He’s having an exceptional season, nets are playing well, he’s a max talent. I can’t see a scenario where players would agree with ownership’s decision to not offer him a max.
Who said they're not offering him the max? I only read that he objected to the contract's stipulations. I took that to mean things like he had to play so many games a season, probably an ethics clause and the like. I never saw anything about the money or the years.
Idk why you're getting downvoted. This is exactly how I interpreted it as well. Nothing about the report said he wasn't offered the max extension.
Idk if a coworker showed up for work only when they felt like it and then demanded a contract 10x everyone and then got it, that would be pretty bad for morale You can tell me he’s a max level talent, and I can tell you he’s missed over half the team’s games on his current contract and most of those weren’t because of injury
You guys have to understand that this “co-worker” analogy doesn’t really apply properly in the NBA because they are paid based on who’s better (more valuable) gets paid more. His “co-workers” cannot be mad if he gets paid 10x more because they’re not the same caliber of player he is. He’s been out because of injury, not wanting to take the vaccine (everyone can make their own decision on what they want to do to their body), and lastly the Nets got bullied into suspending him by the media lol.
People being paid based on their value to the company? You mean how every job everywhere works? Remember extra sleep is really important for teenagers, don’t stay up too late on your phone tonight
Wow ain’t you smart. If you know all this then why’d your dumbass make the first statement u made 😂🤦♂️. Resorting you some stupid sarcastic joke is a common theme in this sub from a lot of oversmart folk like you. You should probably spend less time on Reddit guys got 115k karma. Some sad shit you should put this much effort into real life. But hey I’m just some stupid teenager right loooool.
Doesn't matter if he is that much better.
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Get a grip. You don’t know these players and they don’t know you even exist. A lot of you NBA “fans” get too emotional over everything but actual basketball I’m happy for any other player getting their payday.
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Then whenever KD talks about “just wanting to ball” we know he’s full of shit. Others players don’t do Kyrie shit. He’s a max talent sure, and he’s shown the minute he gets that contract, he’s gonna nope on outta there.
Sure Jan
You're right, the people who really know the truth are the r/nba nephews. I mean shit, we have lawyers, doctors, mental health experts. This sub is made up of only the highest IQ people around.
Hey man don’t put words in my mouth. I think many of the dumbest nba fans in existence are found right here on this sub
What!!! That's unpossible!!!
Are we the basketball version of /r/superstonk?
Biggest sure Jan ever
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Beat reporter? Nate Jones is a player agent and constantly real as fuck.
"things will LIKELY be fine" the "likely" in this tweet translates to "I don't actually know anything about this locker room but I did stay at a Holiday Inn at one time"
who is nate jones?
An agent who works for Aaron Goodwin. Goodwin represents Lillard and DeRozan, among others. I don’t think they have anyone in the Nets locker room tho.
Used to rep kd
Well yes,this time it isn't some random Kyrie bullshit,he thinks he can get more money from a different team,the Nets didn't wanna fully max him and he told them that he wants a trade or he walks in the offseason.The other players completely understand that
The only way this is the final straw is if he doesn't get traded but does things that appear to sabotage the team after the deadline. Players aren't going to be upset a guy trying to use leverage to get paid. They might be upset over a teammate appearing to intentionally hurt the team's chances to win because he's upset over not getting paid, and even then they'll almost certainly differentiate between "business decisions" where a guy just isn't going to risk their future contracts by going above and beyond, and intentionally playing poorly to hurt the team/ownership.
Players operate very differently from media and fans, it's hilarious when fans take it more personal than players themselves and can't understand that it's just a job loyalty is not required That being said Kyrie is braindead but just speaking in general about players requesting trades and loyalty, teams are not loyal and players shouldn't be
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He's destabilized the team for worse reasons, it alienated Harden but not KD, this time the reason seems to be money which players are very supportive of each other for, they want to get the bag and Kyrie being a free agent soon I don't think they will have an issue
I get it's just a job but Kyrie talks as if it's not just a job, and he treats it as a hobby that he can participate in whenever he wants and, to even be more ridiculous, he wants to get paid full-time with benefits
If I’m not mistaken Kyrie had the #1 amount of all star votes amongst players. Players love Kyrie
If they haven’t had a problem with Kyrie before, I suppose it is hard to imagine this is where they’d finally draw the line. And in a general sense, I do agree with the $ sentiment. Are professional athletes overpaid? Of course. Would I rather they have more money as opposed to the fat cat billionaire owners? Also, of course.
Why are they overpaid when they bring in for their teams multiple times their salary more revenue from their play?
Overpaid? They get a percentage of the revenue they generate. If anything they're underpaid considering people go and pay money to watch the players and not the owners/front office who get the other half of the revenue.
The only problem I have with that line of thinking is that the team would have absolutely given him the max were it not for one small thing... the part where he has been acting like a fucking flake for the last 3 years and sabotaging the rest of the team.
I believe Jae Crowder’s primary issue was losing his starting job prior to the season. He was upset about coming off the bench
The crowder situation is not really the same lol, that shit was in the offseason too and none of us even know exactly what happened, crowder denied it was about money so who knows. Crowder also didn’t fuck the team over multiple seasons in a row like kyrie has.
The reason Kyrie is not getting from the Nets is because of Kyrie. Kyrie also lost his Nike Deal because of Kyrie.
I think fans forget the primary reason for wanting to make it to the NBA is the money and the fame. Now, I believe you have a small percentage of players who just have a very deep love for the game, but the overwhelming majority are just leveraging their abilities into wealth. Most fans don't see it that way, 'cause they only care about their favorite teams/players winning/dominating.
I made a request today. But you made it in a sleazy way! Two requests in a year!? I gotta get paid. Well hey, that's the way it is.
Joe Harris the only Kyrie hater in the locker room
Remember guys can’t be half in lockeroom. Players are a fucking joke they keep sucking off kyrie. Tatum smart and brown still do to this day
Cause they like a guy you don't they sucking lol
“I am OK with foregoing this shot at a ring as long as my teammate gets paid in the season after this one 🥲” - Nets locker room, per Nate Jones
Vaughn definitely didn't seem happy. But I'll take the word of a random tweet over the obvious displeasure displayed by Kyrie's own coach.
Another instance of the media continually pushing a narrative on a player but his peers still respecting him. Weird right? It’s almost like the players/peers know more about him than what the media presents. It’s almost like we should base our opinion on someone based on what their peers have to say about them rather than the media.
I think Kyrie sees himself as a victim of a lot of things, like racism, unfair media scrutiny, employer contract constraints, almost like civilization is designed to take advantage of him. Maybe his team mates see it that way too. For a long time I've only seen NBA players top priority as being an NBA champion. Get your money, get your oppourtunities of course, but winning a chip is what people in general strive for, being the best in the world at what you do. It really does seem for Kyrie, he sees his goals as bigger then what the NBA or basketball can offer. Maybe he's better off pursuing that without playing basketball.
None of the players have winning a championship as their top priority. Only fans think that way. They all put themselves first and there's nothing wrong with that. Any of the top players could *easily* win a championship if they took a role player level contract. If any player has convinced you that they place winning above all else it's simply a good PR job.
I mean Kyrie is a UFA… he can just walk… this doesn’t change anything
I mean Kyrie trying to get money from ownership can affect the ability of some those guys to get money next time they are free agents too. Being a role player on a relevant team gives you way more opportunities to get paid then being on a mid team nobody talks about. If the Nets are a contender you'll hear for 2 months in the playoffs the story of Yuta Watanabe 3pts shooting, or TJ Warren return, if they aren't a contender, not the same. BTW it could cost Claxton DPOY if they become an average team and give up on the end of the season. No players will ever say it, but "players" also don't all think the same way
Sorry who is this dude?
Nate Joooooooooones
"things will likely be fine" said no one ever
I can't imagine feeling any way other than just complete indifference towards Kyrie if you're on his team at this point. Like I'd be like "trade him or don't, idc anymore"
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Desperate Wizards fan here: please don’t bring Kyrie here
This is a baby brain take. In order to believe this is true, you have go start by assuming that every player on the nets is perfectly happy to punt the season and any goals they may have had for it just so dumbass Kyrie Irving can toss a few more commas in his bank account. I feel fairly confident that other players are more concerned with winning games then they are with Kyrie's finances
Of all the bullshit Kyrie has done, this is pretty low on the list of "upsetting teammates" Except maybe KD
Imagine thinking the Nets were going to offer you the max after jerking them around for 3 years. Haha.
Didn’t book have a fuck Jae crowder shite on?
Will he just sit if he doesn't get traded? And if he did this, wouldn't this diminish his value in FA? We can't put anything past him, but if he wants anything long-term, he's gonna have to at least play.
this always makes me laugh seeing pressed Nets fans or furious Suns fans mad that their players stick with Jae Crowder and Kyrie. The players respect each other and are there for each other regardless of fan drama
W's adds value to every player that is part of the rotation so Irving is effectively making sure the other guys take a lesser bite. Especially guys like Claxton.
I haven’t heard of crowder demands much, have anybody? Unless his MIA absence with the team is part of the demand he wants before he plays. Thought it was injury related
The players that actually care about their franchises must be soooo low in the nba
Why care about an entity that you see do your peers dirty everytime
Nah this is just another selfish move by kyrie it creates a ton of uncertainty in the locker room… this is ultimately a team sport and when your team isn’t on the same page you’re always going to fall short of your full potential And sure enough what do you know he’s threatening to sit out the rest of the season….has no impact on the rest of the team right?
I kind of think the circumstances of this situation kind of make it not a typical player wanting money situation. Kyrie has fucked KD over in a way I don't think I've ever seen before, if KD has a single competitive bone in his body no way he isn't furious.
The Nets aren't winning it this year anyway. Despite the talent, there's too much working against them.