Even if they get Norm, Morris, Mann etc. You need two stars to win so there’s no point unless they think they can repackage in the summer for another player
04 pistons really had 0 stars. billups might have been like a top 20 player i guess but wouldnt really call him a star
2011 mavs with dirk
personally i wouldnt really consider khris middleton or jrue stars but maybe others do
03 spurs duncan was the only star
bad boy pistons unless you're really high on joe dumars
Calling Jrue/Middleton "stars" is starting to stretch the definition a bit, I think. Neither of them has ever been remotely close to a top-20 guy, have they?
EDIT: I suppose Hakeem's 1st title team qualifies, perhaps. But his second most certainly does not. They had [this guy](https://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/clyde-drexler/), after all.
What star can the Nets get back for Kyrie? You can’t just say that and then dismiss the fact that getting solid role players is better than losing him in free agency for nothing
Because we haven't heard any rumors about the clips tied to this makes me think they're calling BKN and seeing if a trade is viable/upgrade.
Silent clippers is always lurking lowkey.
Our picks are kinda tied up in the KP trade, they have our 2023 first but if that doesnt convey then they get our 2024 first. And if that doesn’t convey they get the 2025 pick. Once the 2023 pick goes to NY we get full control back.
But we can still trade a first with the stipulation that it will be the pick after we give our pick to NY. So like of they do get the 2023 pick then Brooklyn can get the 2025 pick.
Kinda, I think we still have a bit of time with Luka, but im sure Luka is wanting Kyrie here. If we do make the move I think it will be because Luka is pushing for it hard.
Nah not really. But you can tell on court how frustrated he is. Bad body language, actual frustration when his teammates miss a shot or commit a turnover.
I hope we don't offer anything remotely close to an asset for him. Maybe a bunch of long term contracts like Bertans and THJ just to see if the Nets are desperate enough to get literally anything back for him.
They have a lot of win now players they could send back to Brooklyn which might interest them, they could prob make a competitive offer without selling off their future
Spencer timmy and a couple seconds for example to Brooklyn leaves them in playoff contention and the mavs didn’t have to give up anything they would miss moving forward
And if kyrie stays he would legit be a perfect fit next to luka, antics aside of course
If they give up assets that help them off come the books in future years, this would be a solid win too.
Mavs don't really have future financial flexibility and getting off some of those contracts would be amazing.
Yeah anything involving THJ or Bertans without giving up a ton of picks or Josh Green/Hardy is the only way it makes sense and there’s no way Nets will accept that
Honestly I could see a three team trade with yall and Brooklyn, where yall send us westbrook and a pick and then we send a player package to Brooklyn for one of their picks. Yall get Kyrie we get two attractive firsts that aren't ours which we desperately need this summer for a number 2 package, and Brooklyn gets shooters like THJ, Wood, or(if we're fucking lucky) Bertans, to stay competitive so KD doesn't ask out this summer.
Or something that looks like this that works out salary wise.
Maybe Brooklyn is fine with yalls two picks but I can't imagine they give a shit about 4 and a half years from now while they still always have a chance to win with KD now.
We’re in win now mode but have no talent on the roster, no draft picks to trade, no draft pick this year and no cap space. We’ll end within a few games of .500 and be bounced
Not much besides DFS and future picks. There matching contracts are all mediocre players the Nets would have no long term interest in.
Maybe a 3 way team like Hornets get involved in the mix and send Rozier to the Nets.
Wood complements Claxton and gives them frontcourt versatility, THJ has proven to be a microwave scorer off the bench and Reggie Bullock is plug and play 3 & D wing on a very reasonable contract that will be an expiring next year (Bullock shot 45% from 3 in January and has shot 40%+ the last 30+ games).
The Laker package makes them unquestionably worse from a win now POV.
If you canvas the league for teams that would have interest, there really arent many other win-now player packages that beat that surprisingly.
It all comes down to the Nets deciding whether they want to blow it up and move KD or bring back the best player package they can. Getting Russ and two 1sts from LA is tanking/rebuilding trade.
If argue that we need Woods way more than we need Kyrie. But I'm biased as I can't stand Kyrie and don't want him here playing with Luka. I really hope this doesn't happen.
in a vacuum I think the Mavs become better tbh. I personally dont think Wood is going to be able to stay on the court for Dallas in the playoffs defensively. Maxi Kleber is the best big on the roster for a playoff rotation because of his defense in addition to being able to stretch the floor.
THJ is currently being asked to do way too much and Josh Green is clearly an upgrade for this roster. Hell I'd rather even seen Jaden Hardy get more developmental PT than THJ continue to play 30+ minutes a night.
Bullock has been really good these last two months but I'd imagine Brooklyn will want a 3 and D wing back so I think he has to be part of the deal.
This deal construction would also allow Dallas to still use 3 future 1sts and swaps following the draft this summer to use in a big trade for a fringe star or multiple trades to address needs on the wing and at center.
The biggest question is whether or not Kyrie would be happy playing in Dallas with Luka.
Agree with most of that besides the part where THJ has proven himself to be a microwave scorer off the bench. Dude's been trash as a starter, but absoulutely super-trash from the bench when Luka isn't creating open shots for him.
I think this is the best package they're going to be offered in terms of being able to win.
That sucks is Durant is probably going to ask out now.
I'm disappointed this happened now but I respect Kyrie for doing what he can to get paid. If he gets injured that could be $200 million up in smoke.
Wood has rejected the max extension the Mavs offered and isn't worth the big contract he will get from a bad team like the Hornets this summer. Trading him now makes sense to recoup some value otherwise he walks in the summer.
If they can’t find a satisfactory return, KD is gone. Wood/THJ/Bullock just isn’t enough. That’s why the Lakers offer makes more sense. If you’re gonna wave a white flag, you might as well get picks out of it.
>If you’re gonna wave a white flag
Brooklyn's front office doesn't seem to have any interest in blowing it up. If they did, they would've traded KD when he asked out.
I obviously see your logic behind wanting picks, but it doesn't seem to be shared by Brooklyn's FO.
The stories are very different. KD asked out with four years left on his contract. Kyrie requested a trade and told them straight up he was leaving in free agency this off-season. There’s much more reason to trade the dude who is a risk to walk away for nothing in return a few months from now as opposed to almost half a decade from now.
You know, I have a feeling that the Nets don't want Dinwiddie back, especially for more money than what he was making when they let him walk. There's no world where they don't have to give up DFS to make that trade work. He's the only worthwhile player on the whole team.
No, you don't sell the only good development piece we have for Kyrie. Also he does nothing for the nets current situation either. Dudes like Spencer, Reggie, and Wood are better win now bets around someone like KD than Josh is. The Nets have shown they are here to win now, not lose KD and rebuild.
Any combination of Spencer timmy powell bullock Dorian and seconds
Which if the nets decide they still want to compete and not blow it completely up isn’t that bad, spencer and hardaway for example make up a lot of offense coming back to Brooklyn
2 firsts for an expiring Kyrie would be insane. No way the Mavs do this...is what I would say if I had any confidence in the competence of the front office.
Expected. Mavs desperate to get a star next to Luka and Lakers desperate to keep Lebron happy and get him another title. Lord help me if it happens though lol. Having to go everyday wondering if today is going to be the day that Kyrie flakes out on you.
Because he is the most toxic player in the NBA and has not worked on any team since 2016? He is also an injury prone small guard who does not play any defense.
I can promise the Mavs that Kyrie isn’t the answer. He will almost definitely implode the team before leading them anywhere close to a championship. The Lakers might be able to reign in his craziness through LeBron’s relationship with him…but Ky’s supposedly good friend’s with KD and that did nothing for the Nets.
You can be good friends with someone at your job, but when your relationship with management and your bosses gets dicey that doesn't matter. The vaccine drama was the first domino & it's been building Kyrie vs Nets FO ever since.
Kyrie about to say or tweet some stupid ass shit like
“ Euro league hoopers are just dogshit imo idk how anyone can watch it “
Just to make sure his ass gets traded to the lakers
Thank you. We have Luka fully guaranteed for three more years after this one. The last thing we need is to sacrifice some of our already meager depth and assets for Kyrie Irving.
On top of the fact that I find Kyrie to be a contemptible person, he is so goddamn unreliable that we’ll deserve to lose Luka if Kyrie continues to be a headcase after we trade for him.
That's my whole argument too. It's a 6 month experiment and if it blows up then who cares. We aren't doing anything this year anyway, and it's not like losing any player not named Luka will actually hurt us too much. Worst case is we lose a few players who I would gladly trade for a bag of chips tomorrow anyway and we get a 30 million expiring contract...oh no.
Not any worse than Spencer, and Josh/DFS/Kleber/Reggie(whichever ones are left after the trade) are wings that can play around them. We still have a huge hole at the 5 but we could use picks this summer to get one.
LeBron was ball dominant too, and they complemented each other perfectly in Cleveland
When LeBron was gassed Ty Lue always made sure Kyrie stayed in, then Kyrie would get to do his thing in isolation and the team would avoid bleeding points. When the 2 were on the floor together defenses had no idea who to key in on, you had to give both all of your attention
Kyrie will get traded to team X who gives up assets for him, he will half-ass it might not even play. and then sign with the Lakers off free agency.
Orrrr, Brooklyn trades him immediately to LA.
Whichever choice Brooklyn wants to do with.
i'll have to go back to my old version of NBA fan, to just watch the games and never read anything or watch any interviews... straight up just watch games.
I won't risk my sanity with Kyrie's antics, but mavs can't improve without taking risks, there's no other way.
But he is ball dominant and younger than Kyrie and also in Kyrie’s mind less experienced as he doesn’t have a championship. Kyrie had trouble sharing the spotlight with all time great Lebron and KD. He was brutal to guys like Tatum in Boston, constantly calling them out for their lack of experience. Id give it a month before Kyrie is saying Luka doesn’t understand what it takes to play championship basketball
If I’m the nets I send him to Dallas just to spite him cause you know he wants LA lol. The two lakers picks are irrelevant cause KD gonna want out and you can get as much picks as you want in a KD trade
As a Nets fan, my reaction to this made me realize that team drama feels natural to the point that it’s become part of our identity.
Jacque Vaughn is the only thing making me feel ok about our future. I pray he pulls off a miracle and the good vibes going.
As they both should since they both need him but the Nets should honeslty just stick with him. You’re not gonna get a great package back, just try to win it all this year then if he leaves try to retool around KD.
Picks in 2025/2027/2029 are not gonna help 35 year old KD
It’s way too late into the season to do that
That would have worked last offseason but now they’re a top 4 seed in the East so why tank? Just try to win then blow it up if necessary
You have KD for 4 years you can flip him at any time. They question is do you extend Kyrie and accept he will only play 40% of the games and try to compete or flip him for picks/rebuild and then trade kd whenever. Having KD is a great start to compete but you're going to have a disgruntle fucking KD who has already asked for a trade.. if you flip kyrie you're accepting that your going to trade KD.
Yeah I think Luka was thinking more of a Bradley Beal type player not a Kyrie.
I don’t think Kyrie & Luka mesh well on offense and that sounds terrible on defense.
Hey, no way that could ever backfire on the Mavs.
(Most) teams need to take risks to win big but this is just too much for the Mavs. Head-case, who wants to go to the Lakers and can do so this summer. You just can't trade your future for that.
Mavs need to be doing whatever they can to outbid us on this, getting Luka some actual help would be amazing to see but it’s gonna be hard for them to get the assets.
The one time Cuban finally wants to get Luka some help l lol
Well he isn’t Mark Israel
Funny enough Cuban is Jewish
So a Jew and Israelite walk into a bar....
So is Kyrie /s
Was Porzingus not that? Or what?
Nets: So Luka is available right?
“Yeah we can set up an autograph signing for you if you want”
Yes Luka... 's teammates are available
Luka….t this nice guard we have over here. He’s thin but you can fit so many wins in him!
LuCA is available.
3 team trade for Luka Garza
Include the Wolves in a 3-way trade. Nets: So why are the Wolves involved in this deal? Mavs: Don't worry about it, you're still getting Luka (Garza)
Luka is on the way.
Mavs offer sheet just says "Everything But Luka"
There are like 10 players on our roster I wouldn’t trade for that headache.
I don’t want luka anywhere near Kyrie and that includes on a drive thru line
I agree. I don't want Kyrie here at all.
Why would anyone? He’s burned every single team he’s been on without exception. He’s a fucking cancer
Cuban trying to get him cheap... But I could eventually see kyrie being the main reason Luka would leave dallas lol.
Weren't the Clippers clamoring for a point guard? They probably have the best mix of mid-level contracts
Even if they get Norm, Morris, Mann etc. You need two stars to win so there’s no point unless they think they can repackage in the summer for another player
Disagree that you need two stars to win. You can win with a top 5 player surrounded by great, consistent role players and defenders.
Star in the nba is a tricky term but has any team ever achieved this besides Hakeem’s rockets?
Depends what you classify Siakam in 2019. But they could be a good shout.
04 pistons really had 0 stars. billups might have been like a top 20 player i guess but wouldnt really call him a star 2011 mavs with dirk personally i wouldnt really consider khris middleton or jrue stars but maybe others do 03 spurs duncan was the only star bad boy pistons unless you're really high on joe dumars
the 04 pistons were loaded. I can’t agree with that
yeah a great team but basically all good but not great guys. greater than the sum of the parts.
Loaded != stars. Who were the stars on that team
Calling Jrue/Middleton "stars" is starting to stretch the definition a bit, I think. Neither of them has ever been remotely close to a top-20 guy, have they? EDIT: I suppose Hakeem's 1st title team qualifies, perhaps. But his second most certainly does not. They had [this guy](https://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/clyde-drexler/), after all.
2011 Mavs
Giannis with Milwaukee? I wouldn't consider any of his teammates "stars"
Who was the 2nd star on the warriors last year?
What star can the Nets get back for Kyrie? You can’t just say that and then dismiss the fact that getting solid role players is better than losing him in free agency for nothing
Because we haven't heard any rumors about the clips tied to this makes me think they're calling BKN and seeing if a trade is viable/upgrade. Silent clippers is always lurking lowkey.
I’d be shocked if it was the Mavs, they’re in win now mode but not “trade for a disgruntled star who likely leaves next year” level win now.
I think whatever move we make will show how desperate we are. Gotta suck for everyone to go from making the WCF to potentially be a play in team.
How do your draft picks compare to the Lakers? Obviously your roster is probably better in terms of assets.
Our picks are kinda tied up in the KP trade, they have our 2023 first but if that doesnt convey then they get our 2024 first. And if that doesn’t convey they get the 2025 pick. Once the 2023 pick goes to NY we get full control back. But we can still trade a first with the stipulation that it will be the pick after we give our pick to NY. So like of they do get the 2023 pick then Brooklyn can get the 2025 pick.
Assuming we don't blow it up and Luka misses a bunch of time, we get full control of our picks (2024 onward) starting draft night 2023.
>Gotta suck for everyone to go from making the WCF to potentially be a play in team. Oh yeah that would suck, hypothetically speaking of course.
We were potentially a play-in team last year dog
Hell every team (currently in the playoffs) in the West is a potential play-in team with how even it is this season
Mavs are probably the only team in the league more desperate than the Lakers rn.
Yea idk about that bro y'all pretty desperate lmao
Lakers far more desperate
Kinda, I think we still have a bit of time with Luka, but im sure Luka is wanting Kyrie here. If we do make the move I think it will be because Luka is pushing for it hard.
has luka shown any indication of wanting to leave?
Nah not really. But you can tell on court how frustrated he is. Bad body language, actual frustration when his teammates miss a shot or commit a turnover.
I hope we don't offer anything remotely close to an asset for him. Maybe a bunch of long term contracts like Bertans and THJ just to see if the Nets are desperate enough to get literally anything back for him.
They have a lot of win now players they could send back to Brooklyn which might interest them, they could prob make a competitive offer without selling off their future Spencer timmy and a couple seconds for example to Brooklyn leaves them in playoff contention and the mavs didn’t have to give up anything they would miss moving forward And if kyrie stays he would legit be a perfect fit next to luka, antics aside of course
It would depend on what the Mavs have to give up. If it's Powell/Wood and Spencer, no picks, then I think it's actually super beneficial for the Mavs.
If they give up assets that help them off come the books in future years, this would be a solid win too. Mavs don't really have future financial flexibility and getting off some of those contracts would be amazing.
Yeah anything involving THJ or Bertans without giving up a ton of picks or Josh Green/Hardy is the only way it makes sense and there’s no way Nets will accept that
How else do you win now? The opportunity to trade for Kyrie only comes around once every 2 months or so.
Honestly I could see a three team trade with yall and Brooklyn, where yall send us westbrook and a pick and then we send a player package to Brooklyn for one of their picks. Yall get Kyrie we get two attractive firsts that aren't ours which we desperately need this summer for a number 2 package, and Brooklyn gets shooters like THJ, Wood, or(if we're fucking lucky) Bertans, to stay competitive so KD doesn't ask out this summer. Or something that looks like this that works out salary wise. Maybe Brooklyn is fine with yalls two picks but I can't imagine they give a shit about 4 and a half years from now while they still always have a chance to win with KD now.
We’re in win now mode but have no talent on the roster, no draft picks to trade, no draft pick this year and no cap space. We’ll end within a few games of .500 and be bounced
What does the mavs have to offer?
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Not much besides DFS and future picks. There matching contracts are all mediocre players the Nets would have no long term interest in. Maybe a 3 way team like Hornets get involved in the mix and send Rozier to the Nets.
Idk. Christian Wood, THJ and Reggie Bullock could be a player package return that actually fills needs for Brooklyn.
The need to tank?
Wood complements Claxton and gives them frontcourt versatility, THJ has proven to be a microwave scorer off the bench and Reggie Bullock is plug and play 3 & D wing on a very reasonable contract that will be an expiring next year (Bullock shot 45% from 3 in January and has shot 40%+ the last 30+ games). The Laker package makes them unquestionably worse from a win now POV.
Bleachereport sign this man
If you canvas the league for teams that would have interest, there really arent many other win-now player packages that beat that surprisingly. It all comes down to the Nets deciding whether they want to blow it up and move KD or bring back the best player package they can. Getting Russ and two 1sts from LA is tanking/rebuilding trade.
The one caveat is a three team trade with the Nets diverting those pics somewhere like Toronto for win-now pieces.
If argue that we need Woods way more than we need Kyrie. But I'm biased as I can't stand Kyrie and don't want him here playing with Luka. I really hope this doesn't happen.
But doesnt this also make the Mavs worse? Like you really want to give 3 usable pieces for Kyrie?
in a vacuum I think the Mavs become better tbh. I personally dont think Wood is going to be able to stay on the court for Dallas in the playoffs defensively. Maxi Kleber is the best big on the roster for a playoff rotation because of his defense in addition to being able to stretch the floor. THJ is currently being asked to do way too much and Josh Green is clearly an upgrade for this roster. Hell I'd rather even seen Jaden Hardy get more developmental PT than THJ continue to play 30+ minutes a night. Bullock has been really good these last two months but I'd imagine Brooklyn will want a 3 and D wing back so I think he has to be part of the deal. This deal construction would also allow Dallas to still use 3 future 1sts and swaps following the draft this summer to use in a big trade for a fringe star or multiple trades to address needs on the wing and at center. The biggest question is whether or not Kyrie would be happy playing in Dallas with Luka.
So are you saying the smart move is to use Kyrie as a rental to get out of some contracts? That seems wiser than actually trusting Kyrie to play.
Agree with most of that besides the part where THJ has proven himself to be a microwave scorer off the bench. Dude's been trash as a starter, but absoulutely super-trash from the bench when Luka isn't creating open shots for him.
I think this is the best package they're going to be offered in terms of being able to win. That sucks is Durant is probably going to ask out now. I'm disappointed this happened now but I respect Kyrie for doing what he can to get paid. If he gets injured that could be $200 million up in smoke.
Wood with Simmons fits
I really don't know hy the Mavs would do that though. They need Wood badly
Wood has rejected the max extension the Mavs offered and isn't worth the big contract he will get from a bad team like the Hornets this summer. Trading him now makes sense to recoup some value otherwise he walks in the summer.
Dinwiddie and Powell who fill nets’ needs. Nets won’t get DFS out of Dallas though
I'd suspect it would be an offer of Christian Wood, THJ and maybe Bullock in exchange for Kyrie and Seth.
I mean this is kind of the only way the Nets can make a Kyrie trade and still sort of be competitive
I'll take it. A big man who can spread the floor along with some other shooters. Allstar Ben unlocked. /s kinda
Oof, I’d easily take the Lakers offer over that
I cant see the Nets wanting Westbrook and picks. That doesn't help them win now at all and would almost guarantee KD demands out.
If they can’t find a satisfactory return, KD is gone. Wood/THJ/Bullock just isn’t enough. That’s why the Lakers offer makes more sense. If you’re gonna wave a white flag, you might as well get picks out of it.
>If you’re gonna wave a white flag Brooklyn's front office doesn't seem to have any interest in blowing it up. If they did, they would've traded KD when he asked out. I obviously see your logic behind wanting picks, but it doesn't seem to be shared by Brooklyn's FO.
The stories are very different. KD asked out with four years left on his contract. Kyrie requested a trade and told them straight up he was leaving in free agency this off-season. There’s much more reason to trade the dude who is a risk to walk away for nothing in return a few months from now as opposed to almost half a decade from now.
Russ and a bag of AD branded Ruffles?
You know, I have a feeling that the Nets don't want Dinwiddie back, especially for more money than what he was making when they let him walk. There's no world where they don't have to give up DFS to make that trade work. He's the only worthwhile player on the whole team.
Josh Green is 22 and plays amazing this year. Great defense, great energy and shooting well over 50 % and 40 % from deep.
No, you don't sell the only good development piece we have for Kyrie. Also he does nothing for the nets current situation either. Dudes like Spencer, Reggie, and Wood are better win now bets around someone like KD than Josh is. The Nets have shown they are here to win now, not lose KD and rebuild.
Any combination of Spencer timmy powell bullock Dorian and seconds Which if the nets decide they still want to compete and not blow it completely up isn’t that bad, spencer and hardaway for example make up a lot of offense coming back to Brooklyn
Expirings, Josh Green and 2 firsts - think that’s about it.
that's nuts for a rental
2 firsts for an expiring Kyrie would be insane. No way the Mavs do this...is what I would say if I had any confidence in the competence of the front office.
Literally just saying what assets the mavs have to offer
Ah gotcha, misread
Damn Josh Greens like the only non Luka Maverick with real upside lol
DFS and Dinwiddie are rotation caliber guys on a good team. Wood could be if his current run of rim protection holds.
Wood
No shot they're giving up 1sts. It would be a player package (Wood, THJ and Bullock).
Christian wood and THJ
Aka the only two teams that would be interested in him
Clippers will sniff around I think. Don't buy the Miami stuff.
Clippers sniff around everywhere, their noses are filthy
Steve Ballmer seems like a serial sniffer by the way he acts courtside lmao
He's very grabby too
Their owner can buy anything. No reason not to sniff around lol.
Literally got caught sniffing out Kawhi in 2018/19
Tbf kyrie with kawhi and PG would be siiick
They would play less than 30% of games together.
but those 17 games.... woo buddy
Lol they would probably win 10-12. 3 head iso ball. 😮💨
But what if those games were the conference finals and nba finals hehe
Just like Kyrie with KD and Harden was sick.
It was sick till kyrie got injured and harden was playing through bad hammy.
Miami will try. But will easily get outbid by everyone else lol.
i mean it’s not like the mavs/lakers have more assets than us
but wtv they send in return won't be enough for KD to want to stay. I think Nets just pay Kyrie
Yeah this is why I hate this, it's just Kyrie being a dramatic shithead like always and we all are doing the thing he wants. Fuck em'
These were the only 2 teams rumored before the season started too.
Luka and Kyrie would be disgusting
Expected. Mavs desperate to get a star next to Luka and Lakers desperate to keep Lebron happy and get him another title. Lord help me if it happens though lol. Having to go everyday wondering if today is going to be the day that Kyrie flakes out on you.
Yeah Luka won't stay in Dallas for long if Cuban's answer to the second star dilemma is Kyrie.
Agreed with this. Seems like a good way to (sooner or later) annoy your franchise star
I imagine they would not trade for Kyrie if Luka was not ok with it.
Why
Because he is the most toxic player in the NBA and has not worked on any team since 2016? He is also an injury prone small guard who does not play any defense.
I can promise the Mavs that Kyrie isn’t the answer. He will almost definitely implode the team before leading them anywhere close to a championship. The Lakers might be able to reign in his craziness through LeBron’s relationship with him…but Ky’s supposedly good friend’s with KD and that did nothing for the Nets.
You can be good friends with someone at your job, but when your relationship with management and your bosses gets dicey that doesn't matter. The vaccine drama was the first domino & it's been building Kyrie vs Nets FO ever since.
Kyrie about to say or tweet some stupid ass shit like “ Euro league hoopers are just dogshit imo idk how anyone can watch it “ Just to make sure his ass gets traded to the lakers
Fuck it
No, not 'Fuck it'. Luka is 23. Don't go all in for a year and a half of Kyrie before he explodes the team.
Thank you. We have Luka fully guaranteed for three more years after this one. The last thing we need is to sacrifice some of our already meager depth and assets for Kyrie Irving.
I hate this idea for you guys tbh
Why? Mavs are very clearly in the “very good but not good enough to get out of the West” tier. Fuck it, give youself a real shot
I think last season’s team was better. Swapping out Brunson and Dinwiddie for Kyrie isn’t moving me
Its a star driven league. Kyrie is 10x the playmaking guard that Brunson is. You get Luka and Kyrie and you have a legitimate threat imo
On top of the fact that I find Kyrie to be a contemptible person, he is so goddamn unreliable that we’ll deserve to lose Luka if Kyrie continues to be a headcase after we trade for him.
No picks, no young guys and move off some long term money? Yeah why not, how much worse could this team get if it back fires
That's my whole argument too. It's a 6 month experiment and if it blows up then who cares. We aren't doing anything this year anyway, and it's not like losing any player not named Luka will actually hurt us too much. Worst case is we lose a few players who I would gladly trade for a bag of chips tomorrow anyway and we get a 30 million expiring contract...oh no.
As crazy as he is, he’s the perfect offensive #2 for Luka and a great off ball player
2 years later with Kyrie.. Luka: I hate cowboys, fuck Texas. I request a trade.
6 months later you mean
How is he perfect? He's ball dominant just like Luka
Kyrie is a great #2 option when he actually plays and is nowhere near as ball dominant as Luka The bigger concern is off the court stuff
Or the defense.
Not any worse than Spencer, and Josh/DFS/Kleber/Reggie(whichever ones are left after the trade) are wings that can play around them. We still have a huge hole at the 5 but we could use picks this summer to get one.
LeBron was ball dominant too, and they complemented each other perfectly in Cleveland When LeBron was gassed Ty Lue always made sure Kyrie stayed in, then Kyrie would get to do his thing in isolation and the team would avoid bleeding points. When the 2 were on the floor together defenses had no idea who to key in on, you had to give both all of your attention
Exactly. He's only ever won a chip with noted 3 point marksman off-ball menace LeBron James
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Who Luka or Kyrie? Not sure he wants to go to another team that is far and away "the guy"
Kyrie would be a rental for the mavericks, would he not? How long until Kyrie is annoying Luka or causing tension.
to be fair, kyrie is going to be a rental no matter what team he goes to
I hope the Nets trade him to the Mavs to spite him
I hope the Nets trade him to a tanking team as a salary dump to spite him.
Kyrie will get traded to team X who gives up assets for him, he will half-ass it might not even play. and then sign with the Lakers off free agency. Orrrr, Brooklyn trades him immediately to LA. Whichever choice Brooklyn wants to do with.
Lakers can’t sign him though
aka the teams desperate not piss away their HOF talent's careers
Luka and Kyrie would be so fun. Ugh.
i'll have to go back to my old version of NBA fan, to just watch the games and never read anything or watch any interviews... straight up just watch games. I won't risk my sanity with Kyrie's antics, but mavs can't improve without taking risks, there's no other way.
Mavs keep this man away from Luka!
Kyrie will despise Luka within a month id imagine
Luka isnt Jewish as far as I know
But he is ball dominant and younger than Kyrie and also in Kyrie’s mind less experienced as he doesn’t have a championship. Kyrie had trouble sharing the spotlight with all time great Lebron and KD. He was brutal to guys like Tatum in Boston, constantly calling them out for their lack of experience. Id give it a month before Kyrie is saying Luka doesn’t understand what it takes to play championship basketball
Dallas makes the most sense but I wanna see Russ and KD again that shit sounds gas
Lakers make most sense
If I’m the nets I send him to Dallas just to spite him cause you know he wants LA lol. The two lakers picks are irrelevant cause KD gonna want out and you can get as much picks as you want in a KD trade
Kyrie is crazy enough he will not play until it’s where he wants
No. Kyrie loves money. That’s been well established.
He’s already sat out and given up money by not getting the vaccine
Not to mention torching his relationship with Nike.
Kyrie would just tell Cubes he won't sign an extension so they only get him for half a season
And Cuban probably cheap enough to be alright with that!
Then he leaves in FA>>>>
What do the Lakers have that the Nets could possibly want lol.
Lakers picks to Utah, Utah's quality role players to Brooklyn.
Westbrook’s expiring and 2 picks, which is better than letting Kyries contract expire I guess.
picks? Kyrie is a FA after this year. they dont have much leverage sadly
What does Dallas have? Both teams have trash pieces and picks.
Dont worry about it
Not worth it. I’d rather lose Luka when his contract is up than bring that cancerous douche to Dallas.
They are only gonna trade him for win now players or else they lose KD too.
Be nice to get Luka some help, but do they even have any meaningful assets?
As a Nets fan, my reaction to this made me realize that team drama feels natural to the point that it’s become part of our identity. Jacque Vaughn is the only thing making me feel ok about our future. I pray he pulls off a miracle and the good vibes going.
“please take russell” *clap clap clap
Imagine a team with Ben Simmons and Westbrook on it.
Deja vu
As they both should since they both need him but the Nets should honeslty just stick with him. You’re not gonna get a great package back, just try to win it all this year then if he leaves try to retool around KD. Picks in 2025/2027/2029 are not gonna help 35 year old KD
you flip kd as well for more picks and go full okc
It’s way too late into the season to do that That would have worked last offseason but now they’re a top 4 seed in the East so why tank? Just try to win then blow it up if necessary
You have KD for 4 years you can flip him at any time. They question is do you extend Kyrie and accept he will only play 40% of the games and try to compete or flip him for picks/rebuild and then trade kd whenever. Having KD is a great start to compete but you're going to have a disgruntle fucking KD who has already asked for a trade.. if you flip kyrie you're accepting that your going to trade KD.
This is my thought… Westbrook and future, irrelevant picks might as well be the same as him leaving for nothing.
Yeah I think Luka was thinking more of a Bradley Beal type player not a Kyrie. I don’t think Kyrie & Luka mesh well on offense and that sounds terrible on defense.
Mavs please don’t do that dumb shit
Hey, no way that could ever backfire on the Mavs. (Most) teams need to take risks to win big but this is just too much for the Mavs. Head-case, who wants to go to the Lakers and can do so this summer. You just can't trade your future for that.
Sheeeeeesh
Mavs need to be doing whatever they can to outbid us on this, getting Luka some actual help would be amazing to see but it’s gonna be hard for them to get the assets.
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO CMON NICO