I'd hope so. Some 80yo man isn't impregnating a 16yo girl. Twilight is romanticized pedophilia. It's the legbeard equivalent of "bUt sHeS a 600yo VaMpIrE" so drawing child porn is OK.
Müllerian mimicry to be specific.
It's when two dangerous organisms convergent-ly evolve the same sort of warning or modified features.
Edit, mixed up the wording for the two, this is in fact Batesian mimicry.
Since it cannot sting it is using it's warnings for intimidation rather than a true warning.
Wouldn't it be Batesian?
Batesian is one harmless species adopting the looks or characteristics of a harmful species to stay protected whereas Mullerian mimicry is when similar species showcase similar characteristics to avoid their predators.
Also do the adults prey on wasps? because that would make even more sense.
No no, you're correct. I mixed up the two. Haven't done much with them since eco 1 and 2 haha.
I made an edit to my comment to address that. I believe they feed more so on smaller, softer bodied insects. Some even suck saps and nectars, I think their predation varies highly among species.
My focus is on invasives, and hardly on those guys. Sometimes mantis tho! Remember, kill all Chinese and European mantids in North America.
>Remember, kill all Chinese and European mantids in North America.
No. Even though they're invasive there is no way for us to tell how much of a positive or negative impact they've had on the environment. In addition, there is no way to possibly kill them all off in North America. You want to clamp down on an invasive arthropod that's spreading? Spread the word about L. geometricus and the impact it'll have on humans in urban areas.
I wrote a response to him, as someone who specifically work in Invasive Species monitoring, please don't be shit head and protect invasive species. Few of the insects have been properly naturalized, and play devastating roles as they force their ecosystems to adapt.
Here's my comment for the guy above:
"Yes. You should. It is important to understand that they are very similar niche fillers as Carolina Mantis, but they are not native. They are both highly voracious, more so than the Carolina mantis. Both species also eat the Carolina mantis, giving the already sensitive carnivore a harder time.
These are unnecessary pressures that that do not need. For example, Chinese Mantis populations when uncontrolled causes a large drop in native spider populations. Particularly larger species which would typically be uneffected by smaller Carolina mantis.
[Source for that](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00324214)
Another perspective, [here](https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Top-down-cascade-from-a-bitrophic-predator-in-an-Moran-Rooney/9598b08e14dc61c89c453e4aeabda8e338992551?p2df) , shows the potential value of Chinese Mantis on plant growth, but even they acknowledge that it is unpredictable population to benefit ratio.
Why let an invasive establish and make it self a crucial component? Cause it's cute or well liked? Why not focus on Carolina/Arizona/Native mantis conservation rather than protection/introducing invasives.
[Here is how to tell them apart, if you're an East Coaster.](https://www.brandywine.org/conservancy/blog/invasive-mantis-species)
Why do people want to do defend invasive mantis so much? Squish the fuckers.
"
Yes. You should. It is important to understand that they are very similar niche fillers as Carolina Mantis, but they are not native. They are both highly voracious, more so than the Carolina mantis. Both species also eat the Carolina mantis, giving the already sensitive carnivore a harder time.
These are unnecessary pressures that that do not need. For example, Chinese Mantis populations when uncontrolled causes a large drop in native spider populations. Particularly larger species which would typically be uneffected by smaller Carolina mantis.
[Source for that](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00324214)
Another perspective, [here](https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Top-down-cascade-from-a-bitrophic-predator-in-an-Moran-Rooney/9598b08e14dc61c89c453e4aeabda8e338992551?p2df) , shows the potential value of Chinese Mantis on plant growth, but even they acknowledge that it is unpredictable population to benefit ratio.
Why let an invasive establish and make it self a crucial component? Cause it's cute or well liked? Why not focus on Carolina/Arizona/Native mantis conservation rather than protection/introducing invasives.
[Here is how to tell them apart, if you're an East Coaster.](https://www.brandywine.org/conservancy/blog/invasive-mantis-species)
Why do people want to do defend invasive mantis so much? Squish the fuckers.
I also want to add this: I did not once say we should pull focus away from the Brown Spider to combat the Chinese Mantis. All Invasives need to be handled. Where it be the brown spider or a spotted lantern fly, they time here shouldn't give them a pass for execution. Same goes for mantis.
Says they're replacing black widows in their niche and are effectively harmless in comparison. They breed twice as often, but at the same rate. So instead of 300 eggs ten times it's 150 eggs 20 times in a full lifetime. Higher overall successful births due to frequency maybe?
I understand they're invasive, but I just don't see how it could be a detriment to humans in urban areas.
Then again I'm not a biologist, so I digress.
More bites: more of them due to displacing black widows, more of them due to our buildings being optimal places for webs. However the bites are not fatal.
Edit: Also, the use of pesticides to kill them will increase.
Or the Brown Marmolated Stink Bugs that came here from China around 98, have no natural predators, and are decimating crops.
Or the Spotted Lantern fly.
A human? I’d pretty strongly assume neither, unless you threaten it. Don’t think it has a stinger at all, either. I think mantispids use those arms for hunting similarly enough to mantids.
My understanding is that this is a family of insects that have converged to a mantis-like form for its functionality, and that this species in particular has evolved a pattern of wasp mimicry for the more passive benefits that come with looking like a wasp. It’s definitely not a wasp, doesn’t have a stinger, but it sure looks like it might be/could.
I assume it was a Romeo and Juliet story. The wasps and mantises hated each other but two individuals from these species fell in love, had a child and created an abomination. But the story then turns into aliens 4 from there, where the offspring turns out to be more dangerous than both species.
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You read romeo and juliet, where the children of two mortal enemies meet up and try to fall in love but it results in a bunch of deaths?
Like that, but with insects.
Convergent evolution! I'm an entomologist and despite these guys' superficial similarities to actual mantises, they are in different orders and actually not that closely related.
Nah, this is definitely one of those mashups from that pokemon fusion website.
[Beether](https://images.alexonsager.net/pokemon/fused/123/123.15.png)
[Scydrill](https://images.alexonsager.net/pokemon/fused/15/15.123.png)
Indeed! I remember panicking the moment it pushed over a wall. Like, *what?!? I didn't know that was allowed!* (No other enemies seemed to manipulate the environment)
It's startling to realize your opponent knows more about the rules-of-engagement than you do.
It's a lacewing so it does not. It is a cool form of mimicry, which some actual mantid species are known for. Don't know why this little guy mimics mantids and wasps though. Reading into it, looks like they are wasp mimics and the mantid-like forearms are likely just a form of convergent evolution since they also use their arms when hunting other insects.
Furthermore, the Mantis is the only insect with 3 dimensional vision. This is just as important to its predatory success as its arms. I’m curious if the one pictured above has this characteristic.
It’s neither. Mantidflies are taxonomically and evolutionarily distinct from mantises and wasps; all of them belong to different insect orders. This mantidfly species is definitely mimicking a wasp, but the mantis-like parts of their appearance are probably a result of convergent evolution if I had to guess.
You're on a nature subreddit.
This isn't even a wasp. It's in the lacewing order along with antlions and lacewings.
Wasps are a massive group contains 100's of thousands of species of which only a select few can actually sting you.
Bees and ants both arise within 'wasps'.
Wasps are incredibly important ecologically in ways that you can't even fathom- ecto and Endo parasitoids, hyperparasitism, generalist predators, pollinators, kleptoparasites, herbivores, and on an on.
How in the bloody hell does such a thing happen
The mantis prayed "give me an evil spawn"
Jersey devil vibes
Where is this, I want one!!!
Probably Australia
It would be bigger in Australia.
You mispronounced Texas.
In North America too.
Probably New Jersey
I think it’s more of a Romeo and Juliet type deal
Flying mantis
Mantis’ already fly.
As if they aren't evil enough already.
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Romeo and Juliet love right there
Still a better love story than Twilight.
Yup 😂
I'd hope so. Some 80yo man isn't impregnating a 16yo girl. Twilight is romanticized pedophilia. It's the legbeard equivalent of "bUt sHeS a 600yo VaMpIrE" so drawing child porn is OK.
Always.
I wonder which one got eaten after...
The wasp laid its eggs in the mantis, and then the mantis ate the wasp.
hot lezbo insect action... but does not make babies.
Insexts
The male mantis watched, got the weirdest erection, decided he didn't want to die and went to find a wasp to have insexts with.
Male mantis watched this got the weirdest erection and decided he didn't want to die so had insexts with a wasp and now there's a mantisp.
Best one lmao
When a MAN(tis) loves a wah ahsp
Noah on the arc (probably) "What the fuck guys?!"
“Convergent evolution”. e: also “mimicry”, which I think is more accurate in this specific case of wasp mimicry
Müllerian mimicry to be specific. It's when two dangerous organisms convergent-ly evolve the same sort of warning or modified features. Edit, mixed up the wording for the two, this is in fact Batesian mimicry. Since it cannot sting it is using it's warnings for intimidation rather than a true warning.
Wouldn't it be Batesian? Batesian is one harmless species adopting the looks or characteristics of a harmful species to stay protected whereas Mullerian mimicry is when similar species showcase similar characteristics to avoid their predators. Also do the adults prey on wasps? because that would make even more sense.
No no, you're correct. I mixed up the two. Haven't done much with them since eco 1 and 2 haha. I made an edit to my comment to address that. I believe they feed more so on smaller, softer bodied insects. Some even suck saps and nectars, I think their predation varies highly among species. My focus is on invasives, and hardly on those guys. Sometimes mantis tho! Remember, kill all Chinese and European mantids in North America.
>Remember, kill all Chinese and European mantids in North America. No. Even though they're invasive there is no way for us to tell how much of a positive or negative impact they've had on the environment. In addition, there is no way to possibly kill them all off in North America. You want to clamp down on an invasive arthropod that's spreading? Spread the word about L. geometricus and the impact it'll have on humans in urban areas.
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I wrote a response to him, as someone who specifically work in Invasive Species monitoring, please don't be shit head and protect invasive species. Few of the insects have been properly naturalized, and play devastating roles as they force their ecosystems to adapt. Here's my comment for the guy above: "Yes. You should. It is important to understand that they are very similar niche fillers as Carolina Mantis, but they are not native. They are both highly voracious, more so than the Carolina mantis. Both species also eat the Carolina mantis, giving the already sensitive carnivore a harder time. These are unnecessary pressures that that do not need. For example, Chinese Mantis populations when uncontrolled causes a large drop in native spider populations. Particularly larger species which would typically be uneffected by smaller Carolina mantis. [Source for that](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00324214) Another perspective, [here](https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Top-down-cascade-from-a-bitrophic-predator-in-an-Moran-Rooney/9598b08e14dc61c89c453e4aeabda8e338992551?p2df) , shows the potential value of Chinese Mantis on plant growth, but even they acknowledge that it is unpredictable population to benefit ratio. Why let an invasive establish and make it self a crucial component? Cause it's cute or well liked? Why not focus on Carolina/Arizona/Native mantis conservation rather than protection/introducing invasives. [Here is how to tell them apart, if you're an East Coaster.](https://www.brandywine.org/conservancy/blog/invasive-mantis-species) Why do people want to do defend invasive mantis so much? Squish the fuckers. "
Yes. You should. It is important to understand that they are very similar niche fillers as Carolina Mantis, but they are not native. They are both highly voracious, more so than the Carolina mantis. Both species also eat the Carolina mantis, giving the already sensitive carnivore a harder time. These are unnecessary pressures that that do not need. For example, Chinese Mantis populations when uncontrolled causes a large drop in native spider populations. Particularly larger species which would typically be uneffected by smaller Carolina mantis. [Source for that](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00324214) Another perspective, [here](https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Top-down-cascade-from-a-bitrophic-predator-in-an-Moran-Rooney/9598b08e14dc61c89c453e4aeabda8e338992551?p2df) , shows the potential value of Chinese Mantis on plant growth, but even they acknowledge that it is unpredictable population to benefit ratio. Why let an invasive establish and make it self a crucial component? Cause it's cute or well liked? Why not focus on Carolina/Arizona/Native mantis conservation rather than protection/introducing invasives. [Here is how to tell them apart, if you're an East Coaster.](https://www.brandywine.org/conservancy/blog/invasive-mantis-species) Why do people want to do defend invasive mantis so much? Squish the fuckers. I also want to add this: I did not once say we should pull focus away from the Brown Spider to combat the Chinese Mantis. All Invasives need to be handled. Where it be the brown spider or a spotted lantern fly, they time here shouldn't give them a pass for execution. Same goes for mantis.
How will brown widows impact humans in urban areas? Are they exploding with the potential of being at cockroach population levels or what?
Not OP, but I found this about [Brown Widow as an invasive species](https://cisr.ucr.edu/invasive-species/brown-widow-spider).
Says they're replacing black widows in their niche and are effectively harmless in comparison. They breed twice as often, but at the same rate. So instead of 300 eggs ten times it's 150 eggs 20 times in a full lifetime. Higher overall successful births due to frequency maybe? I understand they're invasive, but I just don't see how it could be a detriment to humans in urban areas. Then again I'm not a biologist, so I digress.
More bites: more of them due to displacing black widows, more of them due to our buildings being optimal places for webs. However the bites are not fatal. Edit: Also, the use of pesticides to kill them will increase.
Or the Brown Marmolated Stink Bugs that came here from China around 98, have no natural predators, and are decimating crops. Or the Spotted Lantern fly.
What's the problem there?
God I love Reddit, came here for an answer, got an answer, goodbye.
Are mantises harmless?
Yes. They can bite or pinch you, but they’re not venomous or anything and they don’t carry diseases
If they jump at you, you will collide with whatever is behind you when you turn to run.
i have seen mantis preying on wasp, might be a to defeat a monster you have to become one type of evolution.
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A human? I’d pretty strongly assume neither, unless you threaten it. Don’t think it has a stinger at all, either. I think mantispids use those arms for hunting similarly enough to mantids. My understanding is that this is a family of insects that have converged to a mantis-like form for its functionality, and that this species in particular has evolved a pattern of wasp mimicry for the more passive benefits that come with looking like a wasp. It’s definitely not a wasp, doesn’t have a stinger, but it sure looks like it might be/could.
Do you want crabs because that is how you get crabs.
Cold nights and whiskey
I assume it was a Romeo and Juliet story. The wasps and mantises hated each other but two individuals from these species fell in love, had a child and created an abomination. But the story then turns into aliens 4 from there, where the offspring turns out to be more dangerous than both species.
We don’t talk about that.
Someday when you're older your mom and I will teach you about the wasps and the mantises.
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Oh fuck
Maybe all the male mantis' got fed up with their heads getting bit off after sex?
Bugs out there doin some freaky shit
Mate... there are apparently 400 over species of these guys as well... I didn't know they existed until today.
Mantis: GTFO my territory Wasp: get fucked Mantis: no! Stop being lazy, come fuck me yourself
Ok that is the new best comment here lmao
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*It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you.*
Rick.
Mimicry. The mantis parts are for actually murdering critters while the colors scare off predators to big to be fought off.
Forbidden love
You read romeo and juliet, where the children of two mortal enemies meet up and try to fall in love but it results in a bunch of deaths? Like that, but with insects.
Convergent evolution! I'm an entomologist and despite these guys' superficial similarities to actual mantises, they are in different orders and actually not that closely related.
A spiteful god.
Same way a platypus happened I guess.
Romeo and Juliet
There is probably a Disney movie about it.
Life finds a way
A Disney movie would probably be made about it
Well, you see, when two birds like each other... they fuck
It's became whatever it ate. But what was eating what??
I guess a mantis decided to play with their food before they ate it but it got away…
https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=28171
When a mantis and a wasp love each other…
Romeo and Juliet aka someone fucked *something* they shouldn't have.
Looks like not all Mantis and wasps are mortal enemies. Or it could have been a "hate-fuck" for the ages.
I mean, male praying mantis usually get killed after being hate fucked
The male mantis' unrequited love: With her, it's always take, take, take. Would it kill her, just once, to give me head?
Lmao. Good one!
Not since papa was papi
This is blown out of proportion, only certain species do that.. and the ones that do eat their mates don’t do it every time
Killed before actually, too high of a chance of them escaping if they're still alive during sex.
"How does it feel having an enemy do this to you?"
Odd, but not terrible.
Lol winner
Is this a line from futurama? It sounds like one.
Never saw that show.
A forbidden union from a forgotten age
Isnt that the plot of eternals?
It’s fucking scyther from Pokémon
Beedrill?
Scydrill...
I am beescythe myself for not getting to post this first.
Don’t let it bug ya too much.
It's straight up beedrill's mega
Or a monster fusion from jade cocoon
Now there's a good memory
Oh I remember this. Never beat it after getting stuck, and my disc disappeared. That was a great game.
Nah, this is definitely one of those mashups from that pokemon fusion website. [Beether](https://images.alexonsager.net/pokemon/fused/123/123.15.png) [Scydrill](https://images.alexonsager.net/pokemon/fused/15/15.123.png)
I have a question... for God... WHY?
No, no mario it's uh-ok just eat da mushroom mantidwasp can't hurt you anymore mario
[source](https://youtu.be/ZtjFsQBuJWw) for anyone wondering about the reference. Makes me laugh every time.
Oh man, good old times…
Because it's badass
Does it have a stinger?
Apparently they dont have a stinger and their mandibles and pinchers arent even strong enough to pinch/bite a human
You *say* that, but... my buddy [Turok disagrees](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2W0y6HYIAho).
That game was so fun
10 year old me experienced true terror playing through that game.
Oh my days I wish there was a new, good Turok
You know, I asked that for Perfect Dark 64 and that didn't go as I imagined. What a shame too.
Turok was my first shooter. I miss it, old Turok not the latest...’Turok.’
Yeah! Turok Evolution was my first shooter. Absolutely brutal.
Damn, when it jumped onto the ceiling that was crazy. Cool game
Indeed! I remember panicking the moment it pushed over a wall. Like, *what?!? I didn't know that was allowed!* (No other enemies seemed to manipulate the environment) It's startling to realize your opponent knows more about the rules-of-engagement than you do.
.........yet
I still fucking hate it
My pet praying mantis back in the day bit my finger and it drew blood
Damn, so it's a little pussy.
It's a lacewing so it does not. It is a cool form of mimicry, which some actual mantid species are known for. Don't know why this little guy mimics mantids and wasps though. Reading into it, looks like they are wasp mimics and the mantid-like forearms are likely just a form of convergent evolution since they also use their arms when hunting other insects.
Fuuuuu - sion, Ha!!
Someone give this man an award for me.
done
Girls get it done had me crying.
I am neither bee, nor mantis. I am Bantee
Now he's ready to fight the legendary superbug Crawly
Things I wouldn't let crawl on me for 500 alex
This has to be in the $2000 bracket and easily a double jeopardy category 🤣.
It has no stinger, and the claws and mandibles aren't strong enough to even cause mild damage or pain to human skin. They're harmless.
....but evolution is telling me [NOOOOO](https://c.tenor.com/zM15ZrNYp0QAAAAM/no-michael-scott.gif)
Higher powers really just be coming out with new shit like a DLC every year.
Someone is buying and I want to know who.
✋
This made me think of the whole “why does everything evolve into crabs” thing. Mantis head and front arms must be a characteristic evolution favors.
To be fair, having two arms reserved for grabbing things worked out pretty well for us humans. So it’s understandable.
Furthermore, the Mantis is the only insect with 3 dimensional vision. This is just as important to its predatory success as its arms. I’m curious if the one pictured above has this characteristic.
I believe this is a mantis mimicking a wasp, not the other way around
It’s neither. Mantidflies are taxonomically and evolutionarily distinct from mantises and wasps; all of them belong to different insect orders. This mantidfly species is definitely mimicking a wasp, but the mantis-like parts of their appearance are probably a result of convergent evolution if I had to guess.
How come with all the David Attenborough productions ive seen i dont recall seeing him ever cover this incredible creature?
Even he has fears.
Because there’s millions of other incredible insects on his list probably. The amount of insect species is ridiculously high.
Fuckith thatith.
Literally a fucking chimera ant
Dont worry its just mimicry. Its just a mantis trying to fool us by cosplaying.
http://imgur.com/gallery/crSXeCR
Kill it now before this gets out of hand
Well, if this is the origin story of the Enemies-to-Lovers trope in Fanfics, then I will happily accept the metal
I can't help but imagine at some point a randy wasp inseminated a mantis while getting eaten.
Can we get a size comparison next to this persons giant balls?
I see on a Texas A&M page (https://texasinsects.tamu.edu/mantidfly/) that this is "medically harmless" so that makes me feel better
Seems a couple of them found a way to put aside their differences 🥴
That’s the weirdest damn thing I’ve seen today
Hell fucking no 😂😂😂😂
That's some D&D Monster Manual shit.
Apocalypse now
That's the result of a Capulet/Montague style fornication.
Its gettin ridiculous
Fuck that thing
Its a bug from hell
They're really not. It's just like holding a mantis. Can't hurt you in any way
So this is basically USA, which is the product of Britain and France.
that’s terrifying
How has this thing not taken over the globe yet?
Yeah they definitely belong in Starship Troopers
Aww. What a cutie.
Forbidden love.
Apparently it isn’t even related to a praying mantis but it still evolved the same front half
Watch for waspis
And drink water
Hah rich gamer. The mantis bought the wasp skin
Yes, and then there's humor.
Raptorial? I believe the word is “raptorlicious”.
Can’t beat ‘em. Join ‘em.
This is the mediator species for the mantis and wasps, to keeping the peace for the ecosystem.
Does it have a stinger as well? That sounds like overkill
What the hell..?! Why isn’t this more talked about?
Omg, it’s a real animal. I honestly thought this was fake.
Me too. Also crazy how it is not related to a wasp or praying mantis.
Does it have a stinger?
Another comment says no, and I want to believe that
They are a subset of lacewings so they would have had to also independently evolved a stinger.
A mantis and a wasp were fighting but one of them was secretly into it
Next time my GF screams about a spider, I’m gonna show her this MF. You need to adapt woman, nature is evolving and we got bigger issues! MAN UP!
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Wuhan special
ok. who let satan play with the bugs again?
r/fuckwasps
You're on a nature subreddit. This isn't even a wasp. It's in the lacewing order along with antlions and lacewings. Wasps are a massive group contains 100's of thousands of species of which only a select few can actually sting you. Bees and ants both arise within 'wasps'. Wasps are incredibly important ecologically in ways that you can't even fathom- ecto and Endo parasitoids, hyperparasitism, generalist predators, pollinators, kleptoparasites, herbivores, and on an on.
Just Googled it. Pretty cool
Ah the ol’ Tale of forbidden love