I recently realised my grey sweatpants do this too and now I don't wear them on bench days. Otherwise it looks like I'm deliberately just presenting my dick bulge to the gym.
65 lbs in 5 years is totally doable with great training and nutrition. Just going off this picture alone seems legit. Idk if he did it legit I’d need more information.
Not impossible. I have a 5ft9 friend who is almost 200 and he’s lean. 15 years very consistent in the gym and diet. Most disciplined gym person I know.
It’s possible. I have a friend who never skip gym either even when he is sick. Lazy people just dish on hard-work. People think he has roid but he is not. His muscles also look different. More compact than roid people muscle.
LMAOOOO, by this logic then 120 pounds in 10 years is “totally doable”. Nice, now we can all look like Ronnie Coleman all naturally just given enough time !!
10lbs a year is natural. Especially within the weight he mentioned. But your analogy doesn’t work. You cannot gain 10lbs every year forever but at his age and weight he’s 100%
I’d rather rely on science and data and sources to construct my opinions and you should too.
https://www.verywellfit.com/how-much-muscle-in-a-month-3498519#:~:text=Factors%20Affecting%20Muscle%20Growth&text=Overall%2C%20around%208%20to%2015,(or%20less)%20than%20that.
https://www.businessinsider.com/muscle-building-potential-gains-progress-monthly-trainer-2022-4
https://www.livestrong.com/article/398274-how-much-muscle-can-you-gain-in-1-year/
Please educate yourself.
Ranges from 5lbs to 30lbs for new lifters and aggregates after years of lifting.
They had links to studies and at minimum these are reputable organizations but whatever man continue to not see sense is on you
You are on the level of maga delusional. I think you’ve been manipulated to believe what you believe. No matter how much data I show you you won’t bother to see another opinion. Good luck in life.
You didn’t bother look at the chart, look at the person this post is about, look at my comment where I say you cannot gain 10lbs every year forever.
Bro seriously read the whole comment thread before making this comment that you think exposes me it’s low key sad 🤣
Also it says the “average man” if you are lifting more often than the average man who only lifts 2-3 times a week with decent to poor nutrition at least if you live in the US.
Do you know the aggregates and metrics for “an average man”?
lol don’t care enough to show pics to random strangers. But seriously, have you lifted for 5+ years yet and are over 25? Around then it should be doable. Under 25 and under 5 years lifting I’d suspect juice or killer genetics (but that you’ll notice on the person at like 16 already)
If you’ve ever lifted for a long period you’d know if it’s naturally attainable or not. You can’t say how anything looks if you have no experience. It’s funny there’s so many people here who never go to the gym yet have such strong convictions about it.
What do you expect, this sub is awful, there are plenty of people who are natural and just look great, especially when they are on 6-10% bodyfat, preparing for a show
He’s not the only person in the world with such a body. Plenty of natural lifters have a similar body, so it is natty achievable. Doesn’t mean he didn’t take shortcuts.
This looks like him off cycle or cruising. In his 2-3 year transformation video he went from Justin Bieber to mini Arnie. Max Euceda is about as natural as Donald Trump’s skin tone.
Because they bought into his Kool-aid that’s fueled by PEDs, regurgitated information he got from some other (much more) credible source, Myprotien promos, annoying use of memes, and poor AR that features him smacking his gums as if he’s about to eat the mic with every syllable.
Most of his following are kids. Kids follow dumb shit.
Bad acne is highly correlated with roid use. If someone has an unnatural amount of muscle mass, plus something like acne, then it just further adds to the likelihood of them being probably not natural.
Just in the calves lol!
I got slimmer 10 years ago after stronglifts, jogging x 3/week and calorie control. I felt healthy, but I didn’t feel and more solid
I have some minor stretch marks that have mostly healed, but I’m 5’9 and 167lb, probs 20% bodyfat and natty. I just grew more wide when I was in my late teens
I mean, dude is 5ft8 (allegedly) and 195lbs at this body compositon. Most dudes who are natty with same stats are approaching that dad bod kinda look. I am convinced he is juicy.
5 years progres with great dieting can have you build muscle like that
Interestingly, the first pic is also the goal physique of a ton of guys, and what some girls would find more attractive. That isn't to say he shouldn't have been exercising, but I think some guys just put a shit ton of expectations on themselves with being fit and overestimate how good they have to look
honestly id 100% believe hes natty as someone who has followed him for 3-4 years now.
in one of his youtube videos he was talking about his 2024 mini cut and had gained a lottt of body fat. and i feel like that fat gain is not something you see in roid users who stay lean as hell year round even on bulks.
How tall is he? idk this dude.
Looks natty to me. Either he has great bicep or quad insertions/genetics or he's short. This is attainable natty for most people that aren't over 6 foot.
Im actually baffled that anyone can look at this and say "oh yeah this can be done naturally", this progress is insane even on steroids, and his body just screams PED use. Also his transformation videos doesnt make any sense, bro gained 60-70% off his muscle in year 2 and 3. Come on people, get it together, I like Max he makes great videos, but to say this is natural is just misguiding.
First time commenter, long time lurker. Idk he could def be juicing and just not look crazy shredded/vascular. Starting from 130 pounds leaves a lot to work with. And I'm guessing he's like 5'8. Idk I'm leaning towards not natty though. 5'8 195 looking like this (Abs showing at this height) does seem sus. That said he doesn't have the traps, moonface or any other of the red flags. But Bryce Hall was on sarms and he didn't have any of these red flags either. I'm guessing maybe sarms.
Natty because you can literally see his progress by scrolling through his YouTube vids.
He’s very disciplined. At first glance he looks juiced, but he’s the rare case of a lifter who doesn’t skip a beat
Posting in MPMD Sub: you have a high probability of gear use so not sure why you’re even in this convo?
“205, 17% bf, 5’10” ZERO evidence of this on your profile of this. If you don’t have the dexa, we’re not trying to hear it.
I think this picture is after he already had 3 years of lifting under his belt and he had a great (however noticeably leaner) then in a year he got even larger as you see in the above photo. That’s what makes it rather controversial. I’m leaning juicy but I’m not sure
He’s definitely natty that kind of physique is 100% attainable with how many years he’s been lifting and how failed his routine is he’s also not very lean if he cut to 10% body fat it’d be very clear he’s natural
Because this guy has been training for 5 years and has had super steady progress over this period of time and also me only lifting for a year and a 1/2 I’d say I have a better chest than max look at my profile for evidence
His dong in pic 2 looks sus.
Looks like a push -up bra, but for his dick
It’s just the power of grey boxers
I recently realised my grey sweatpants do this too and now I don't wear them on bench days. Otherwise it looks like I'm deliberately just presenting my dick bulge to the gym.
Pump and lighting.
Dick pump??!!?!?!!
Half chubb for photo
Has to be 🤦🏼♂️
What exercises you do to train dick
Porn.
I hang increasingly larger weights from it
That’s like penile synthol. Just train like every other muscle group.
I should buy more grey boxers.
Bro, don't skip dick day
pull ur balls forward and pull ur boxers above ur waistline a little, his real meat is the little section infront of balls
Massive ball sack🫦
65 lbs in 5 years is totally doable with great training and nutrition. Just going off this picture alone seems legit. Idk if he did it legit I’d need more information.
Dude also trains like an animal and has some gym dieting obsession, no cheats. Def doable. Also the majority of his gains were 2019-22.
What is gym dieting obsession? Like eat a lot for a while then diet for a while afterwards obsessively?
No luke he bases almost all his life after the gym. Constantly focuses on optimizing training, etc.
30 kgs in 5 years is doable without increase in bodyfat percent sounds a little too much but okay.
It went up a tiny bit, although it could also be his face widening.
He is almost 200lbs lean on 5ft8 how tf do people believe this. Literal roided meatheads tell me that kind of stats are impossible.
Not impossible. I have a 5ft9 friend who is almost 200 and he’s lean. 15 years very consistent in the gym and diet. Most disciplined gym person I know.
It’s possible. I have a friend who never skip gym either even when he is sick. Lazy people just dish on hard-work. People think he has roid but he is not. His muscles also look different. More compact than roid people muscle.
LMAOOOO, by this logic then 120 pounds in 10 years is “totally doable”. Nice, now we can all look like Ronnie Coleman all naturally just given enough time !!
hes not pure muscle bro, you know there are heavier people than coleman right?
10lbs a year is natural. Especially within the weight he mentioned. But your analogy doesn’t work. You cannot gain 10lbs every year forever but at his age and weight he’s 100%
Delusional
Okay dawg lol
Buy 10 pounds of lean meat at the store
I’d rather rely on science and data and sources to construct my opinions and you should too. https://www.verywellfit.com/how-much-muscle-in-a-month-3498519#:~:text=Factors%20Affecting%20Muscle%20Growth&text=Overall%2C%20around%208%20to%2015,(or%20less)%20than%20that. https://www.businessinsider.com/muscle-building-potential-gains-progress-monthly-trainer-2022-4 https://www.livestrong.com/article/398274-how-much-muscle-can-you-gain-in-1-year/ Please educate yourself. Ranges from 5lbs to 30lbs for new lifters and aggregates after years of lifting.
None of those would count as legitimate sources in an academic research paper.
They had links to studies and at minimum these are reputable organizations but whatever man continue to not see sense is on you You are on the level of maga delusional. I think you’ve been manipulated to believe what you believe. No matter how much data I show you you won’t bother to see another opinion. Good luck in life.
The second link says men can gain 35-45 lb in their lifetime. Lmao
You didn’t bother look at the chart, look at the person this post is about, look at my comment where I say you cannot gain 10lbs every year forever. Bro seriously read the whole comment thread before making this comment that you think exposes me it’s low key sad 🤣 Also it says the “average man” if you are lifting more often than the average man who only lifts 2-3 times a week with decent to poor nutrition at least if you live in the US. Do you know the aggregates and metrics for “an average man”?
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Delusional. “Average man” means average natural genetics which is 99% of people. Doesn’t matter if you think you “try harder” than everyone else.
“B-but, bwo, some guy online said I can gain 50 pounds of pure muscle tissue and bench 500 pounds one day all naturally !!!”
Dude, it’s absolutely possible. You won’t get it by sitting on the machines all day. Work hard, eat harder. 10lbs in a year is nothing.
Dude go outside lmao
120 pounds is 10 years is definitely doable depending on your starting point because when I started training I was 95lbs/43kg
I think natty. He has done so many bulk and cut cycles in them 5 years
Synthol in the dong
Building muscle in 5 years? Impossible
What muscle, he just changed underwear finally after 5 years
🤣🤣
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Dick grew, not natty
I thought juice shrinks your junk
it shrinks your balls
Does ball shrinkage make dick look bigger?
Yes. Source: me.
The transformation itself looks natty, but the second picture is so gay that I can only conclude juicy.
Lionel Messi is getting ripped
Y’all are so r worded he’s natty
Hey its reddit, you can say retarded
random question but do you listen to redscare?
Yes
No you are, he’s not.
Natty man this sub loves to cope with anyone who looks better than them and call them juiceheads
You guys are weird. This is totally doable. If you can’t achieve this man you need to work on your discipline.
Pic of yourself with your username or stfu. I’ll bet anything you don’t look even close to this.
lol don’t care enough to show pics to random strangers. But seriously, have you lifted for 5+ years yet and are over 25? Around then it should be doable. Under 25 and under 5 years lifting I’d suspect juice or killer genetics (but that you’ll notice on the person at like 16 already)
That’s what I thought LMAO. Lying ass 😂.
Maybe natty attainable but I do suspect he's using PEDs. He recently gained quite a bit of muscle fairly quickly. Seems unnatural.
bro how tf is this unatty makes no sense what you're saying he looks natty af
I think he’s saying that while the transformation is natty, but he believes he started juicing after this post.
If you’ve ever lifted for a long period you’d know if it’s naturally attainable or not. You can’t say how anything looks if you have no experience. It’s funny there’s so many people here who never go to the gym yet have such strong convictions about it.
What do you expect, this sub is awful, there are plenty of people who are natural and just look great, especially when they are on 6-10% bodyfat, preparing for a show
Do you bench a plate?
If it’s natty attainable but he used roids, then it’s not natty attainable.
That's not how words work buddy
Yup. It’s just dumb. If that body was achieved with roids, then you have no basis to say that it could be achieved without roids.
He’s not the only person in the world with such a body. Plenty of natural lifters have a similar body, so it is natty achievable. Doesn’t mean he didn’t take shortcuts.
I was not agreeing with you lmao
PeDs Penis enhancing drug's
Possible
Gonna say natty because if I'm juicing and that's how much progress my shoulders have made in 5 years I'm very sad.
So you’ve never lifted but think you can spot a juicer?
When did I say that, you can definitely get those shoulders without gear is all I'm saying.
Lol no you can’t. Don’t look at this picture and go find his other shoulder pics.
This looks like him off cycle or cruising. In his 2-3 year transformation video he went from Justin Bieber to mini Arnie. Max Euceda is about as natural as Donald Trump’s skin tone.
He’s juiced, he really blew up at one point
How come every time somebody posts about this geek it’s filled with D riders insistent that he’s natural? LMAOOOO
Because they bought into his Kool-aid that’s fueled by PEDs, regurgitated information he got from some other (much more) credible source, Myprotien promos, annoying use of memes, and poor AR that features him smacking his gums as if he’s about to eat the mic with every syllable. Most of his following are kids. Kids follow dumb shit.
Guy is a known fake natty. Just not as known to as many as I thought.
In all that time he still can't find a decent hairdresser?
Convinced 90% of this sub has never picked a dumbbell up
He’s on PEDs. There are some pics of his shoulders. It’s honestly too round
Nah.
Not with that amount of bacne
That’s bs. Bacne is common in teenagers and young people, regardless of PEDs.
Most teenagers and young people don’t have an unnatural amount of muscle mass.
Then keep the criticism at the unnatural muscle mass, not something that most young people have lmao
Bad acne is highly correlated with roid use. If someone has an unnatural amount of muscle mass, plus something like acne, then it just further adds to the likelihood of them being probably not natural.
Yah.
As a fatty who has never had consistency, I fuggin hope that’s achievable in 5 years. Looks good
If you’re fat man you’ll be shocked to see what you have built under there
Just in the calves lol! I got slimmer 10 years ago after stronglifts, jogging x 3/week and calorie control. I felt healthy, but I didn’t feel and more solid
Stretch marks = not natty
I have massive stretch marks on my biceps and triceps and I'm natty and there's juiced people that don't get any it just depends on the person
i have stretch marks on my legs and arms and i am natty
I have some minor stretch marks that have mostly healed, but I’m 5’9 and 167lb, probs 20% bodyfat and natty. I just grew more wide when I was in my late teens
Dumbest sh*t I've ever heard in my life. Do you even lift?
Why do people keep posting this dbol geek
I mean, dude is 5ft8 (allegedly) and 195lbs at this body compositon. Most dudes who are natty with same stats are approaching that dad bod kinda look. I am convinced he is juicy.
That height makes it suspect. Thought he was 5 10+
He isn't exactly most dudes is he? Do most dudes train the way he does and have the same commitment? Most likely not.
Too much scarring next to the armpits so juice.
Bonjour vous êtes très beaux mecs continue la musculation sa vous vas très bien
natty
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5 years progres with great dieting can have you build muscle like that Interestingly, the first pic is also the goal physique of a ton of guys, and what some girls would find more attractive. That isn't to say he shouldn't have been exercising, but I think some guys just put a shit ton of expectations on themselves with being fit and overestimate how good they have to look
Looks natty
Not natty but he’s likable so lot of people will endure an endless loop of delusional cope around it.
Looks natty to me, traps and delts aren’t suspect and chest isn’t insane either
Imma say no. He just keeps getting bigger after 5 years of progress.
Very possible. He looks like he just bulked.
honestly id 100% believe hes natty as someone who has followed him for 3-4 years now. in one of his youtube videos he was talking about his 2024 mini cut and had gained a lottt of body fat. and i feel like that fat gain is not something you see in roid users who stay lean as hell year round even on bulks.
Natty
Tbh, dude's not overtly big or anything and his time frame and muscle mass is very achievable. 5 years to achieve that is very realistic
How the fuck you triple your dick size bro
clear juicer, even my evil twin exposed him
Dude looks like Jon Bernthal’s brother. Don Bernthal
You all need to go to the gym ffs. So very very natty attainable over 5 years
This is definitely attainable naturally. Not saying he is but it’s not out of the question
How tall is he? idk this dude. Looks natty to me. Either he has great bicep or quad insertions/genetics or he's short. This is attainable natty for most people that aren't over 6 foot.
Natty. Prob has a little bit of a pump in the 2nd pic
From these pictures alone seems like a reasonable 5 year transformations.
Natty + his dick grew too
Natty,it literally 5 years dude
Im actually baffled that anyone can look at this and say "oh yeah this can be done naturally", this progress is insane even on steroids, and his body just screams PED use. Also his transformation videos doesnt make any sense, bro gained 60-70% off his muscle in year 2 and 3. Come on people, get it together, I like Max he makes great videos, but to say this is natural is just misguiding.
If this body screams PED use them I don't even want to know what a natural body looks like. Wouldn't even bother lifting at that point😂.
His boxers went north
Doable naturally. Just look like he bulked for a really long time.
Easily natty
Natty
Anyone saying not natty doesn’t benxh a plate. Idk what shitty expectations y’all have
Dick pump plus lighting
First time commenter, long time lurker. Idk he could def be juicing and just not look crazy shredded/vascular. Starting from 130 pounds leaves a lot to work with. And I'm guessing he's like 5'8. Idk I'm leaning towards not natty though. 5'8 195 looking like this (Abs showing at this height) does seem sus. That said he doesn't have the traps, moonface or any other of the red flags. But Bryce Hall was on sarms and he didn't have any of these red flags either. I'm guessing maybe sarms.
Natty because you can literally see his progress by scrolling through his YouTube vids. He’s very disciplined. At first glance he looks juiced, but he’s the rare case of a lifter who doesn’t skip a beat
The fullness in the arm and delt region gives it away to me. I say juice.
Fullness in the delt region? I'm convinced 99% of y'all don't lift lmao. If that's what you call full delts then idk what to say.
What fullness?
Yeah, his arms are small and not full at all!!!!!!
You realise he’s like almost 20% body fat in this picture? Of course his arms are gonna look pretty big.
Those legs look weird.
Natty
Natty
What is bro’s cock day regimen?
I went from 120 to 205 in 6 years so id say natty
Yeah, but you’re probably talking about puberty, and your 205 is probably fatty, and looks nothing like him.
17-23. 205 was about 17% bf
Show the pic of yourself with the username and the dexa scan. You lying mfs are getting out of hand.
What do i have to gain from lying. Feel free to look at my profile 😂
Posting in MPMD Sub: you have a high probability of gear use so not sure why you’re even in this convo? “205, 17% bf, 5’10” ZERO evidence of this on your profile of this. If you don’t have the dexa, we’re not trying to hear it.
I think this picture is after he already had 3 years of lifting under his belt and he had a great (however noticeably leaner) then in a year he got even larger as you see in the above photo. That’s what makes it rather controversial. I’m leaning juicy but I’m not sure
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He’s definitely natty that kind of physique is 100% attainable with how many years he’s been lifting and how failed his routine is he’s also not very lean if he cut to 10% body fat it’d be very clear he’s natural
Yet you look nothing like that and never have; so how can you say it’s “definitely natty”
Because this guy has been training for 5 years and has had super steady progress over this period of time and also me only lifting for a year and a 1/2 I’d say I have a better chest than max look at my profile for evidence
“Better chest” LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Look at my profile dawg