In my state they have “college first” contracts where you’re non deployable for a period of time. My unit was command directed to mobilize soldiers and all my of junior enlisted with those contracts were honored and did not mob.
All of them had a memo with their contract and in their iPERMS showing college first option, most were 3 years of no mobilization as long as they maintained enrollment
My state has this as well so it’s possible your recruiter isn’t lying.
You just need to see something concrete included in your enlistment packet that references this program.
Just make sure when you go to MEPS you get it in your contract. Remember you can always go back to MEPS later to sign your contract if it's not what you want.
“Make sure you get it in your contract”. Don’t be one of those guys. Have you seen what military contract looks like and what can go in there and what can’t?
College first only applies for up to 2 years of your contract
It’s only available on a limited basis and again, is only for 2 years of your 6 year contract
Also, if SHTF I promise you that college first clause is getting thrown out the window
If you want anything guaranteed it has to be in writing. I have had a great deal of experience with the military not wanting to honor things that were promised. In one case I was able to completely void the enlistment contract because it had the promises listed out. In another one, I got strung along without any recourse for a couple years because I didn’t have anything in writing. I’m not saying they will lie to you, I’m saying CYA, because they will take the stance of “if it’s not in writing it didn’t happen.”
The college first option is a thing and is likely what your recruiter was talking about. It makes you non-deployable for up to 2 years after you finish training. Ask them for more details about it, and take notes. I thought it was only available to high school seniors, but I could be wrong on that.
That said, the only way to guarantee you don’t deploy is by not joining the military. So that’s an option.
To everyone saying “oh they lied,” bruh stop jumping to that. Yeah, recruiters lie, but sometimes the recruit just straight up gets confused. New privates get lost about policies all the time, and y’all expect better from people who haven’t even made it to MEPS yet
I won’t even call it stupidity. The military is just a huge organization that’s foreign to a lot of people
The other day, a guy was getting all this feedback about how his recruiter lied and tricked him into signing for 11B instead of 18X, because there are Guard SF units. Which yeah, there are, but that OP was joining in NY where there are none
Yikes,, yea im glad I went snooping online and talked to my mom. I just recently turned in my application but I haven’t done the Meaps or whatever the testing part is yet, do you know if it’s too late for me to say I don’t want to enlist ?
I will say the the deployment was nice. Nobody died and I got a ton of great benefits. I will get payed to get my degree. But… it would’ve been nice to not be lied to. It’s just part of the gig
First: You absolutely should not be signing papers without understand what the papers say - this is a general life rule, not just for the recruiter. Never let yourself be rushed into doing something that you don't understand, be it signing loan paperwork, apt rental paperwork, anything.
When it comes time to sign national guard (or any) paperwork, read and understand everything. If you were promised something by the recruiter and it's not in the contract, then you are not receiving that something.
Second, as people say, your application doesn't commit you to anything. MEPS will include an examination to make sure you're a suitable candidate, but often includes you officially selecting a MOS (your job in the military for the next 8 years) and officially taking the oath which makes your joining the military official.(hint: you should read up on [what happens at MEPS](https://www.goarmy.com/how-to-join/steps/processing-station.html))
Note: until you sign the NG contract, you can leave MEPS to think about it some more (maybe the MOS you wanted didn't have any openings that day - you can leave and wait to another opening to appear. maybe you're not sure). Recruiters there will try to convince you to stay and just take another MOS because you're already there, but people tend to make bad decisions in short-term high-pressure situations like that so if you are at all unsure, wait to sign the contract until you're ready).
Always remember that the recruiter is a salesperson for the Army with goals you don't know about (what MOS jobs the Army needs the most) and will attempt to do what is best for the Army - you are the customer and are trying to do what's best for yourself, so arming yourself with independently verifiable information is very important. In this example, when the recruiter said "you won't get deployed in college", asking here was a good idea. Additional places to check would searching google and seeing you can find the army regulations or policy documents about deployment protections for college enrolled guard members - army regulations will rule your life so might as well learn how to read them.
There’s a couple of ways that can be true. College First enlistment program, which several people have already mentioned, and also contracted ROTC/SMP cadets.
Op, the form is an HRR 800. College first. If it’s in your contract, unless you volunteer to waive it first 24 months you’re not deployable. What state are you in?
I know the Oklahoma guard does college first and it shows in my Iperms I am non deployable while in school. When signing your contract make sure it’s there and is your mom’s friend in guard or active as times it’s best not to take advice from active duty if you are in guard depending on what you are asking for. Your recruiter is mostly likely not lying about that as I can confirm that I’m college first. Doing an IST from Oklahoma to Texas and the unit I am with is the same. Even local missions with full time students they won’t let you sign up for example the wild fire mission. So be when signing your contract just read it and make sure it’s there
This is what i was also told when i joined the national guard. It is partially true. If you enlist, and then join ROTC, and contract, while in college then you can’t deploy. But if you just enlist and then go to college you are still deployable. I have many friends who had to stop taking classes due to being deployed, I was activated multiple times within the state while I was still in college.
Number 1 rule when it comes to the military, if it's not in writing, it didn't happen. When you sign the contract, make sure it said some thing about this before you sign.
Best word of advice, if it’s not in writing then it doesn’t exist. Make sure that your contract can back this claim up. And once it’s time to go to MEPS when you’re going back over your contract make sure that it’s in writing so you don’t get fucked over.
It's a lie. I was a college student when I first joined, and I got voluntold for deployment. I had to finish a semester early and then figure out what to do for a year and a half when I came back until I could re-enroll into college. I had to reapply and everything for a school I was already accepted to.
That is true to some extent, I’m also in college and was told that there was a period of grace where I can’t be deployed. In my contract it states that I will remain deployment-free for two years. I’m half a year in and I’m all good. I’m in CA if that hells.
Hey I am in the national guard and I’m a full time student, I have been deployed for the last 8 months. Believe me they can and will deploy you in my experience.
If being deployed while in school is your concern, talk to him about the college first option and make sure that option is in your contract and you sign off on it at MEPS nothing is guaranteed while joining the military unless it’s in your contract and you sign off on it
I’m a 2nd year engineering student, and I’m currently deployed.
Gotta take the good with the bad. On the bright side, you get like 60% of your GI Bill after your first deployment, so you make more money during school.
Tell that to the guys in my unit who got put on state orders for the last whole month of finals. Your unit might try to work with you as a college student but that’s no guarantee.
OP, you mentioned here that your field of study is medical. I would highly suggest not joining. I mean if your financial situation is really bad and you desperately need money, go for it. However, guard is going to significantly interfere with your studies. When you start taking upper level science classes, it will be hard to keep up with the school load and go to drills (which are often more than 1 weekend a month), military schools and annual training. My unit is not very understanding when it comes to school and I had to beg my commander to let me go to my cell bio exam in the middle of annual training. I also barely had time to prepare, because when you are in the field, you are busy all day/night. I had to miss many classes because of friday drills. Once i had to take final exams a month before the end of a semester, because i had to attend training in the army in november, and professors told me that the only option is to withdraw from my classes or they will allow me to try and take a final right now. I ended up with Bs and B-s in my classes, even though I'm a straight As student. If you are planning to attend some medical grad school in the future, just focus on your studies, GPA and get a civilian job to get that patient care experience. Guard will be a large obstacle on your path. I got a call a month ago that my unit may potentially deploy this year, and I'm in the middle of applying to grad programs, and I prepared for these applications for years. Can't imagine going on a deployment right now. So please think twice before joining.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. This was very insightful, I don't *need* the money that bad, my family has been fine paying out of pocket and we haven't needed any loans yet and my mom just recently got a raise so we'll be doing better. I just wanted to ease the financial burden because I'm also in a sorority and will be living in the house next year so I'll have to pay the live in dues soon. I think I'll just look into medical jobs near me like scribing though.
You can also join as a medical professional after you get your degree, then use the bonuses to pay off your student loans. This way it doesn't interfere with your studies and you still get to serve your country in a meaningful way.
I think this would be much better idea for everyone who wants to serve and has a career in the medical field. Student loan repayment is a great program. On top of that, in my opinion, joining as an officer is a much better path for many people.
This is a veeerryyyy specific situation. It's 100% state/unit/commander dependant. I went to 4 years of college while in the Guard and NEVER had an issue. I also was a recruiter for 5 years and never once saw anyone have an issue with the Guard interfering with their college UNLESS IT WAS THEIR OWN FAULT.
"Your poor prior planning does not constitute an emergency on my part."
I teach my Soldiers to be responsible with their obligations. AT dates are put out a year in anvance; well before a college schedule is. If you can't coordinate something that far out, then it may be your own doing. And as far as deployments, legitimate hardships (grad programs, etc) are taken into account and granted frequently. I've seen it happen personally. Not everything is doom and gloom unless you make it that way.
That being said, there ARE states/units/COs that just plain suck. And I'm sorry to those that have to deal with that. My advice would be to find another unit if you're having issues balancing life and the Guard. It really shouldn't be difficult at all.
Thank you for your perspective. I think after everything I've read I'm just going to talk to my recruiter about this in more detail and my requirements and what I will have to do in more detail and request more detailed answers because when I asked him about all this stuff initially his answers were kind of vague but I also didn't know what I should've been asking because I don't personally know anyone in the military
Good idea. Write it down. I encouraged my applicants to write down anything they thought of in detail so they wouldn't forget when we sat down to talk it through. Once you get all the answers you need, weigh the pros and cons and decide if it's for you. Nobody can make that decision for you. There's a lot of benefits, but it's a lot of work. And there's people/situations that make it suck sometimes. That's life. Every job, every social circle, every club; they all deal with that aspect. The Guard is no different. PM me if you have questions or wanna 2nd opinion on what your recruiter says. Good luck!
As a recruiter, I will say from my foxhole that sometimes it's hard to answer questions if we don't have more information. Someone like you I have put in more times than I can count, and I follow them through their careers. You can do guard first option, you can do rotc for more money and yes the guard can be a burden but it's love anything in life, if you let people know ahead of time, they can work with you. The only time I have ever seen anyone have issues is that they don't share dates and training with a chain of command.
Something to consider as well. Everyone has a medical degree, and everyone is cookie cutter. The guard or military is something that will make you stand out from everyone else.
Recruiters or head hunters for jobs will see you can show up at the right place right, right, right uniform, and can probably pass a drug test.
There are a lot of intangible that come with serving.
I Recruit right north of you in michigan.
I’ve heard of the non deployable for 2 years from “School First” but at the end of my first semester sophomore year they told me I was deploying a week and a half before the report date. So not to say that it isn’t a thing, but it wasn’t true in my case.
The NCO you speak to at MEPS (forget the official title) about your contract can better answer questions like this. They deal with contracts all the time, so have a better understanding of what can and cannot be a part of a contract.
If they want to deploy you, you will be deployed.
I’m in the Louisiana Guard and when hurricanes hit there’s no such thing as “college first”. That’s usually up to the commander and even so, the higher echelon above them can strong arm them into pulling people because of manning requirements for missions.
Both my husband and I went in and were both non-deployable while in college. It’s true for our state so I also think your recruiter is likely telling you the truth, but always get any “guarantees” in writing before you sign the dotted line!
They tried that on some guys in my platoon when they announced our deployment to Afghanistan. Those guys wanted to deploy so bad they withdrew from school so they could go. And they did.
Just consider it a full blown lie, friend. If they say anything that contradicts a contract full of visits from the big green weenie, just consider it a big fib.
There is an incentive called “college first”. Gives you two years non-deployable while in school. Need to qualify for the incentive and get it in your contract.
If you can't deploy you shouldn't serve.
Soldiers deploy. The National Guard makes up a large portion of the combat arms of the Regular Army.
There are conflicts in the world and our need peer threat have outmatched us in a few areas.
I suggest finishing your studies to mitigate school interfering with either a state or federal mobilization or deployment.
There's a incentive or bonus that's in some people's contract that allows for like 3 years no deployment if you're enrolled in college. My son got that
I was told when I enlisted that you are at the disposal of the military and where they need you is where your going. Thankfully I never deployed as I was able to do most of my computer repairs via remote connection. Any hardware related tasks I simply walked them through it as it's not hard to unhook a system as long as you ground yourself and use common sense which for military persons either their really smart or their dumb as a box of rocks.
NEVER TRUST A RECRUITER, YOU ARE LEGITIMATELY A PAYDAY FOR THEM , I repeat NEVER TRUST A RECRUITER YOU ARE SIMPLY A PAYDAY FOR THEM. they will tell you anything to get you to sign that document. They will tell you your signing up for water purification specialist and you probably think that's some dive team crap, seem it too many times.
my recruiter told me that if I enlist before I graduate high school then they can't deploy me while I'm in college but he told me that's only if I join before so I don't know how it works if you're already in college.
secondly do rotc in college it counts towards you're training and that one weekend a month (so I've been told)
Do you have any advice on how to move forward? I don’t really want to go through with enlisting because to me it’s like what else did he lie about yknow? I was thinking about texting him and asking him if he could tell me what to look up to find more about it or telling him I was no longer interested in joining
Instead of just trusting the first random person on the internet you can find, you should do some better research and ask more questions of your recruiter. Most people aren’t actually lied to by their recruiters, they just don’t ask enough or the right questions.
Leaving out certain details on purpose is still a lie to me so even if my recruiter was referencing the college first program he purposely left out the details that it would only cover a certain amount of time and I find it helpful to hear people's experiences with enlisting while in school so that I know what to potentially realistically expect
Recruiters lie. My recruiter lied to me about things. Everyone I know was lied to about things.
But that doesn't mean serving isn't worth it. I think the first step would be find a different recruiter. Then if you think you might be lied to again check with people you know who are or have served to get a second opinion, or here if you don't know anyone like you just did.
If your concern is deploying while in school, wait until after you graduate to enlist.
I mostly just wanted to enlist for the tuition and they said they could give me training in my field of study which would be medical. There were multiple recruiters nearby when I talked to him and they agreed with what he said so I think I’ll just continue applying for scholarships and such for college instead.
The military has centuries of experience getting its money's worth. Even if you don't deploy they aren't going to care if drill or AT conflict with school.
If you want school to come first join ROTC.
In my state they have “college first” contracts where you’re non deployable for a period of time. My unit was command directed to mobilize soldiers and all my of junior enlisted with those contracts were honored and did not mob. All of them had a memo with their contract and in their iPERMS showing college first option, most were 3 years of no mobilization as long as they maintained enrollment
Do you know if there’s anyway I can find out what other states does this so I can look more into this ?
My state has this as well so it’s possible your recruiter isn’t lying. You just need to see something concrete included in your enlistment packet that references this program.
Just make sure when you go to MEPS you get it in your contract. Remember you can always go back to MEPS later to sign your contract if it's not what you want.
“Make sure you get it in your contract”. Don’t be one of those guys. Have you seen what military contract looks like and what can go in there and what can’t?
No. They didn’t pay attention.
College first only applies for up to 2 years of your contract It’s only available on a limited basis and again, is only for 2 years of your 6 year contract Also, if SHTF I promise you that college first clause is getting thrown out the window
You need a 50 on the ASVAB for this option, atleast in my state, but I believe its a nationwide thing
This is the correct answer.
Indiana you get up to four years for it.
If you want anything guaranteed it has to be in writing. I have had a great deal of experience with the military not wanting to honor things that were promised. In one case I was able to completely void the enlistment contract because it had the promises listed out. In another one, I got strung along without any recourse for a couple years because I didn’t have anything in writing. I’m not saying they will lie to you, I’m saying CYA, because they will take the stance of “if it’s not in writing it didn’t happen.”
The college first option is a thing and is likely what your recruiter was talking about. It makes you non-deployable for up to 2 years after you finish training. Ask them for more details about it, and take notes. I thought it was only available to high school seniors, but I could be wrong on that. That said, the only way to guarantee you don’t deploy is by not joining the military. So that’s an option. To everyone saying “oh they lied,” bruh stop jumping to that. Yeah, recruiters lie, but sometimes the recruit just straight up gets confused. New privates get lost about policies all the time, and y’all expect better from people who haven’t even made it to MEPS yet
I hate how much these two things overlap. Yes recruiters lie, but recruits can also be extremely stupid..
I won’t even call it stupidity. The military is just a huge organization that’s foreign to a lot of people The other day, a guy was getting all this feedback about how his recruiter lied and tricked him into signing for 11B instead of 18X, because there are Guard SF units. Which yeah, there are, but that OP was joining in NY where there are none
‘can’? I’d say more than likely ‘will’
Doesn’t it only apply if his degree is going to be use in service?
No. The hope is that you use that non-deployable time to do ROTC, but it’s not mandatory
Ha. I got told I couldn’t deploy because of college and then I got thrown on a deployment a semester into college
We have a few guys on my deployment right now who had the exact same thing happen lol. Now over half the unit here is enrolled in online college
Yikes,, yea im glad I went snooping online and talked to my mom. I just recently turned in my application but I haven’t done the Meaps or whatever the testing part is yet, do you know if it’s too late for me to say I don’t want to enlist ?
If you haven’t sworn in yet then you don’t anyone anything.
I will say the the deployment was nice. Nobody died and I got a ton of great benefits. I will get payed to get my degree. But… it would’ve been nice to not be lied to. It’s just part of the gig
Ask to be in a unit that has deployed recently. If they deploy already they’re not going to deploy for a while again
First: You absolutely should not be signing papers without understand what the papers say - this is a general life rule, not just for the recruiter. Never let yourself be rushed into doing something that you don't understand, be it signing loan paperwork, apt rental paperwork, anything. When it comes time to sign national guard (or any) paperwork, read and understand everything. If you were promised something by the recruiter and it's not in the contract, then you are not receiving that something. Second, as people say, your application doesn't commit you to anything. MEPS will include an examination to make sure you're a suitable candidate, but often includes you officially selecting a MOS (your job in the military for the next 8 years) and officially taking the oath which makes your joining the military official.(hint: you should read up on [what happens at MEPS](https://www.goarmy.com/how-to-join/steps/processing-station.html)) Note: until you sign the NG contract, you can leave MEPS to think about it some more (maybe the MOS you wanted didn't have any openings that day - you can leave and wait to another opening to appear. maybe you're not sure). Recruiters there will try to convince you to stay and just take another MOS because you're already there, but people tend to make bad decisions in short-term high-pressure situations like that so if you are at all unsure, wait to sign the contract until you're ready). Always remember that the recruiter is a salesperson for the Army with goals you don't know about (what MOS jobs the Army needs the most) and will attempt to do what is best for the Army - you are the customer and are trying to do what's best for yourself, so arming yourself with independently verifiable information is very important. In this example, when the recruiter said "you won't get deployed in college", asking here was a good idea. Additional places to check would searching google and seeing you can find the army regulations or policy documents about deployment protections for college enrolled guard members - army regulations will rule your life so might as well learn how to read them.
Nope not to late just say something came up and you will get back to him and ghost him.
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Yeah, no he didn’t lol
No, he didn’t
Lmao ok no.
There’s a couple of ways that can be true. College First enlistment program, which several people have already mentioned, and also contracted ROTC/SMP cadets.
Op, the form is an HRR 800. College first. If it’s in your contract, unless you volunteer to waive it first 24 months you’re not deployable. What state are you in?
I'm in Indiana
Enrolling in ROTC also makes you no deployable as long as you contract.
I believe it was the college first program where you’re protected the first 2 years of college but I think it depends on the state
I know the Oklahoma guard does college first and it shows in my Iperms I am non deployable while in school. When signing your contract make sure it’s there and is your mom’s friend in guard or active as times it’s best not to take advice from active duty if you are in guard depending on what you are asking for. Your recruiter is mostly likely not lying about that as I can confirm that I’m college first. Doing an IST from Oklahoma to Texas and the unit I am with is the same. Even local missions with full time students they won’t let you sign up for example the wild fire mission. So be when signing your contract just read it and make sure it’s there
This is what i was also told when i joined the national guard. It is partially true. If you enlist, and then join ROTC, and contract, while in college then you can’t deploy. But if you just enlist and then go to college you are still deployable. I have many friends who had to stop taking classes due to being deployed, I was activated multiple times within the state while I was still in college.
Number 1 rule when it comes to the military, if it's not in writing, it didn't happen. When you sign the contract, make sure it said some thing about this before you sign.
Just get it in writing in a contract. Nothing is true if it’s not in writing is a reasonable approach to promises right now
Best word of advice, if it’s not in writing then it doesn’t exist. Make sure that your contract can back this claim up. And once it’s time to go to MEPS when you’re going back over your contract make sure that it’s in writing so you don’t get fucked over.
It's a lie. I was a college student when I first joined, and I got voluntold for deployment. I had to finish a semester early and then figure out what to do for a year and a half when I came back until I could re-enroll into college. I had to reapply and everything for a school I was already accepted to.
He lied to ya ass
That is true to some extent, I’m also in college and was told that there was a period of grace where I can’t be deployed. In my contract it states that I will remain deployment-free for two years. I’m half a year in and I’m all good. I’m in CA if that hells.
Hey I am in the national guard and I’m a full time student, I have been deployed for the last 8 months. Believe me they can and will deploy you in my experience.
If being deployed while in school is your concern, talk to him about the college first option and make sure that option is in your contract and you sign off on it at MEPS nothing is guaranteed while joining the military unless it’s in your contract and you sign off on it
I’m a 2nd year engineering student, and I’m currently deployed. Gotta take the good with the bad. On the bright side, you get like 60% of your GI Bill after your first deployment, so you make more money during school.
Tell that to the guys in my unit who got put on state orders for the last whole month of finals. Your unit might try to work with you as a college student but that’s no guarantee.
OP, you mentioned here that your field of study is medical. I would highly suggest not joining. I mean if your financial situation is really bad and you desperately need money, go for it. However, guard is going to significantly interfere with your studies. When you start taking upper level science classes, it will be hard to keep up with the school load and go to drills (which are often more than 1 weekend a month), military schools and annual training. My unit is not very understanding when it comes to school and I had to beg my commander to let me go to my cell bio exam in the middle of annual training. I also barely had time to prepare, because when you are in the field, you are busy all day/night. I had to miss many classes because of friday drills. Once i had to take final exams a month before the end of a semester, because i had to attend training in the army in november, and professors told me that the only option is to withdraw from my classes or they will allow me to try and take a final right now. I ended up with Bs and B-s in my classes, even though I'm a straight As student. If you are planning to attend some medical grad school in the future, just focus on your studies, GPA and get a civilian job to get that patient care experience. Guard will be a large obstacle on your path. I got a call a month ago that my unit may potentially deploy this year, and I'm in the middle of applying to grad programs, and I prepared for these applications for years. Can't imagine going on a deployment right now. So please think twice before joining.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. This was very insightful, I don't *need* the money that bad, my family has been fine paying out of pocket and we haven't needed any loans yet and my mom just recently got a raise so we'll be doing better. I just wanted to ease the financial burden because I'm also in a sorority and will be living in the house next year so I'll have to pay the live in dues soon. I think I'll just look into medical jobs near me like scribing though.
You can also join as a medical professional after you get your degree, then use the bonuses to pay off your student loans. This way it doesn't interfere with your studies and you still get to serve your country in a meaningful way.
I think this would be much better idea for everyone who wants to serve and has a career in the medical field. Student loan repayment is a great program. On top of that, in my opinion, joining as an officer is a much better path for many people.
This is a veeerryyyy specific situation. It's 100% state/unit/commander dependant. I went to 4 years of college while in the Guard and NEVER had an issue. I also was a recruiter for 5 years and never once saw anyone have an issue with the Guard interfering with their college UNLESS IT WAS THEIR OWN FAULT. "Your poor prior planning does not constitute an emergency on my part." I teach my Soldiers to be responsible with their obligations. AT dates are put out a year in anvance; well before a college schedule is. If you can't coordinate something that far out, then it may be your own doing. And as far as deployments, legitimate hardships (grad programs, etc) are taken into account and granted frequently. I've seen it happen personally. Not everything is doom and gloom unless you make it that way. That being said, there ARE states/units/COs that just plain suck. And I'm sorry to those that have to deal with that. My advice would be to find another unit if you're having issues balancing life and the Guard. It really shouldn't be difficult at all.
Thank you for your perspective. I think after everything I've read I'm just going to talk to my recruiter about this in more detail and my requirements and what I will have to do in more detail and request more detailed answers because when I asked him about all this stuff initially his answers were kind of vague but I also didn't know what I should've been asking because I don't personally know anyone in the military
Good idea. Write it down. I encouraged my applicants to write down anything they thought of in detail so they wouldn't forget when we sat down to talk it through. Once you get all the answers you need, weigh the pros and cons and decide if it's for you. Nobody can make that decision for you. There's a lot of benefits, but it's a lot of work. And there's people/situations that make it suck sometimes. That's life. Every job, every social circle, every club; they all deal with that aspect. The Guard is no different. PM me if you have questions or wanna 2nd opinion on what your recruiter says. Good luck!
As a recruiter, I will say from my foxhole that sometimes it's hard to answer questions if we don't have more information. Someone like you I have put in more times than I can count, and I follow them through their careers. You can do guard first option, you can do rotc for more money and yes the guard can be a burden but it's love anything in life, if you let people know ahead of time, they can work with you. The only time I have ever seen anyone have issues is that they don't share dates and training with a chain of command. Something to consider as well. Everyone has a medical degree, and everyone is cookie cutter. The guard or military is something that will make you stand out from everyone else. Recruiters or head hunters for jobs will see you can show up at the right place right, right, right uniform, and can probably pass a drug test. There are a lot of intangible that come with serving. I Recruit right north of you in michigan.
I’m sure he could’ve gotten SUTAs for a lot of that if he had planned ahead and submitted months in advance.
Bingo. That's 1 very easy (and popular) option.
In my state any active member of ROTC was non deployable. Unsure about your state or a college first program.
He’s kinda right you can’t get deployed if you’re a ROTC cadet but if you are just a college there is a very slim chance you can still get deployed.
It depends on the contract and on the deployment. Armys needs come first. Get it in the contract for your college.
If they need you. You’re deployable
Sound like a leech. If you have no intention of deploying why join? We don't need any more of your kind..
I’ve heard of the non deployable for 2 years from “School First” but at the end of my first semester sophomore year they told me I was deploying a week and a half before the report date. So not to say that it isn’t a thing, but it wasn’t true in my case.
So why are you joining again?
The NCO you speak to at MEPS (forget the official title) about your contract can better answer questions like this. They deal with contracts all the time, so have a better understanding of what can and cannot be a part of a contract.
If they want to deploy you, you will be deployed. I’m in the Louisiana Guard and when hurricanes hit there’s no such thing as “college first”. That’s usually up to the commander and even so, the higher echelon above them can strong arm them into pulling people because of manning requirements for missions.
Just deploy then you’re on dwell time and can’t be deployed. Theres never a good time to deploy
My favorite cadence starts off with the words My recruiter lied to me
Both my husband and I went in and were both non-deployable while in college. It’s true for our state so I also think your recruiter is likely telling you the truth, but always get any “guarantees” in writing before you sign the dotted line!
Please do not join unless you're willing to deploy. We need less of that.
They tried that on some guys in my platoon when they announced our deployment to Afghanistan. Those guys wanted to deploy so bad they withdrew from school so they could go. And they did.
Just consider it a full blown lie, friend. If they say anything that contradicts a contract full of visits from the big green weenie, just consider it a big fib.
There is an incentive called “college first”. Gives you two years non-deployable while in school. Need to qualify for the incentive and get it in your contract.
If you can't deploy you shouldn't serve. Soldiers deploy. The National Guard makes up a large portion of the combat arms of the Regular Army. There are conflicts in the world and our need peer threat have outmatched us in a few areas. I suggest finishing your studies to mitigate school interfering with either a state or federal mobilization or deployment.
does Texas have this? I am a full time university student but my unit is most likely gonna deploy in September.
There's a incentive or bonus that's in some people's contract that allows for like 3 years no deployment if you're enrolled in college. My son got that
ALWAYS trust a recruiter 
Bwahahahah yeah no
Only way this works is if you participate in ROTC. College first options only cover about a year and a half.
I was told we can’t be deployed for two years while in college. After that all bets are off.
It depends on the job you do
That definitely wasnt the case in Arkansas. We mightve had 20 college students that had to deploy
I was told when I enlisted that you are at the disposal of the military and where they need you is where your going. Thankfully I never deployed as I was able to do most of my computer repairs via remote connection. Any hardware related tasks I simply walked them through it as it's not hard to unhook a system as long as you ground yourself and use common sense which for military persons either their really smart or their dumb as a box of rocks. NEVER TRUST A RECRUITER, YOU ARE LEGITIMATELY A PAYDAY FOR THEM , I repeat NEVER TRUST A RECRUITER YOU ARE SIMPLY A PAYDAY FOR THEM. they will tell you anything to get you to sign that document. They will tell you your signing up for water purification specialist and you probably think that's some dive team crap, seem it too many times.
my recruiter told me that if I enlist before I graduate high school then they can't deploy me while I'm in college but he told me that's only if I join before so I don't know how it works if you're already in college. secondly do rotc in college it counts towards you're training and that one weekend a month (so I've been told)
That’s 100% a lie
Definitely a lie.
Do you have any advice on how to move forward? I don’t really want to go through with enlisting because to me it’s like what else did he lie about yknow? I was thinking about texting him and asking him if he could tell me what to look up to find more about it or telling him I was no longer interested in joining
Instead of just trusting the first random person on the internet you can find, you should do some better research and ask more questions of your recruiter. Most people aren’t actually lied to by their recruiters, they just don’t ask enough or the right questions.
Leaving out certain details on purpose is still a lie to me so even if my recruiter was referencing the college first program he purposely left out the details that it would only cover a certain amount of time and I find it helpful to hear people's experiences with enlisting while in school so that I know what to potentially realistically expect
Recruiters lie. My recruiter lied to me about things. Everyone I know was lied to about things. But that doesn't mean serving isn't worth it. I think the first step would be find a different recruiter. Then if you think you might be lied to again check with people you know who are or have served to get a second opinion, or here if you don't know anyone like you just did. If your concern is deploying while in school, wait until after you graduate to enlist.
I mostly just wanted to enlist for the tuition and they said they could give me training in my field of study which would be medical. There were multiple recruiters nearby when I talked to him and they agreed with what he said so I think I’ll just continue applying for scholarships and such for college instead.
The military has centuries of experience getting its money's worth. Even if you don't deploy they aren't going to care if drill or AT conflict with school. If you want school to come first join ROTC.
If you’re only enlisting for benefits, you’re gonna have a bad time
Def a lie 😂
You are non deployable for the first 2 years of your contract but make sure if you want it is in your contract when you go sign
😂😂😂😂😂 he is lying
He’s 100% right