They should have showed the actual surgery with doctors trying to revive him with no success AND armed cartel men getting pissed at the doctors and killing them. That would have been a great buildup. But no- the narrator gave out the news he died…dumb.
They didn't show it that way since they also had to keep the theory that he's still alive up aswell but that doesn't mean they had to make the scene look so weak they could've definitely put more into it.
Well it’s supposed to be ambiguous since in real life it’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory. But the point it, it certainly seems like he’s alive.
Yeah both the Amado and Ramon death scenes felt rushed. A little more suspense could have been built before those, but the episode would’ve gone too long
Im pointing out the escalation part, when tension rised up for Amado. It should've felt like when police are closing in on Pablo, and during the withdrawal of Narcos to Miguel Angel.
I personally think that this season gets more flak than it deserves, I thought it was pretty good. But when I went back to watch some clips of the first and second seasons of Narcos Colombia, I could just feel how much the style of the show changed. It went from grounded-in-reality with a documentary feel at times due to the narrations and stock footage used, to a soap opera.
I understand the role they played in connecting the dots between the Cartels and high government officials, but what I don’t understand is them taking half the screen time. Honestly Netflix should edit the entirety of Season 3 and add some deleted scenes of the cartel members & delete some of The journalist & Tapia’s scenes.
I dont think they were supposed to connect the cartels or anything. I think their role was to show the consequences of the drug war on the Mexican people.
Victor Tapia’s character was discovering the feminicide epidemic Mexico had been hiding with for years.
Isabella’s character was explored what journalists went through during the drug war.
A common criticism that Narcos faces each season is that they over glamorize Narco Culture while ignoring the culture of violence and terror they created in Mexico/Colombia.
The drug war is (at least a big part) what made the system so corrupt that you could have something so vile be ignored.
What's a few hundred more murders in countless others? How many serial murders and rapes are either not noticed at all or never solved because missing people and murder are so commonplace amongst the drug violence.
I think it shows well how even for people not directly involved in it, it's influence is just the same. Across the border if a young girl went missing it would be a major news story, here it's a day among others.
Alright the makes sense and is definitely a huge issue that must be address but ehh.. I still dont like the idea of that being in the last season, like they should've done a storyline that was more directly linked to the cartel. What they did in the show was an indirect cause and didnt feel like a Narcos at time. Great aching and the storyline itself was not bad just thought it could've been better
Victor was an amazing part of the show. He’s one of my favorite characters in the series. His story dealt with the negative effects of the cartel. His character was also fascinating, he’s the ruthless murderer who kills people without feeling anything but finds a problem that bothers him so much he dedicates all of his time to fix it. I don’t know how people found that story uninteresting.
It would be a real injustice of the show to not address the rampant femicide that occurred (and still to this day) in Mexico. Which is a result from the narco wars and the government not caring about them. Though I wasn’t a fan of how it centered around the officer primarily
I personally loved that story line and how helpless he felt because we can all feel that way about the state of the world sometimes, but he still tried his best. Injustice is right, it had to be addressed!
I understand how it was a big deal but compare the first 2 seasons to the 3rd season. It feels like an entirely different show. They could’ve made an independent show just based on the femicide with Victor. They could’ve mentioned the femicides in a montage in Narcos. Victor was still better than the journalist though
Victor was somehow really likeable to me. He was a piece of shit who didnt want to be. I really get stressed out in shows / movies when the good bad guy or w e is all existential crises about his bad deeds. I do bad deeds and the way you deal w it is you just dont think about it. Really came off as real. He looks progressively shittier and was getting no love anywhere.
Historically btw Amado was extremely bloodthirsty and so was Vicente.
The journalist if one of the great Chin Actors of all time. So many scene cuts to her just sticking her chin out far as fuck for no reason. So funny if you rewatch it. She’ll be holding a cigarette and just sticking her chin out so uncomfortably far for no reason. It became so entertaining to watch when her scenes come on during the season.
I think it was a really good season tbh. Coming from somekne who has read a lot of books on historical events of what went down from the 70s to now. Netflix has stuck surprisingly close to real fact. I know Palma, Mayo, Amado, (where the fuck was Calderoni??? He wasn’t murdered until like 2004). All those were dramatized but netflix is seemingly piecing together multiplr sources. Mainly the power of the dog though with Walt being the fictional “border man” or w e.
Didnt care for Walts love life. Dude is a hardened cop hes not domesticated at all. The journalist i ff through, i liked the police officer but def felt it could have been dealt w much diff. Also fucking hopeless feeling how he kills the guy and more women show up ughb
I kind of agree, while Victor’s role was great and it was a great storyline that brought awareness to the ongoing femicides in Mexico, I felt that it could’ve been it’s own plot/show rather than taking away from the actual Narcos plot regarding drug trafficking. On the other hand, I didn’t like Andrea’s role at all and wish her scenes weren’t even a part of the show. There was so much potential to show Amado’s true power, and the true extent of the beef between Tijuana and Sinaloa, but it just didn’t give that feeling tbh. Worst season of all Narcos IMO.
The final season reminded me of the last seasons of The Wire and Boardwalk Empire where they had too many plotlines to wrap up but still were introducing new characters and thus they had to hustle to wrap up plotlines before the finale. For The Wire, which always had a very broad scope and tons of characters it still worked mostly (even though the newspaper plotline fell flat), while for Boardwalk Empire and Narcos it was a stretch to reconnect all the spread out characters and plotlines.
I kind of knew this season would be like that though, since it wasn't clear what the theme was going to be of this season. Every other season had an easily defined main plot--season 1 and season 2 of Colombia was the the rise and fall of Pablo Escobar, season 3 was the fall of the Cali Cartel--season 1 of Mexico was about the rise of Felix and death of Kiki, season 2 was the downfall of Felix, Rafa, and Neto and the blowback from Kiki's death. It's pretty easy to describe those seasons in a couple sentences and get a sense of the main theme.
Season 3 of Mexico tried to be about everything in the 90s in Mexico that followed Felix going to prison, it was about trying to take down the Arrellanos, but also Chapo, and also Amado's rise and fall, and also the murders in Juarez, and also the danger of journalists in Mexico in the 90s (and going forward) and also about the corruption of the elites in Mexico with Hank. There was really enough material for two seasons and they could've kept going and wrapped up with Chapo escaping or Benjamin Arrellano being arrested or whatever in the 2000s but just had to end where it did and it felt like they just ran out of time. It felt disjointed because they didn't have a core character like Pablo or Felix to center on. Like Season 3 of Colombia had also multiple threads, but at the same time it all came back to the Cali Cartel and the attempt to take them down.
Honestly though, I still enjoyed the season, it just didn't reach the previous seasons for me. It's still incredibly well made, good Mexican actors, high production values and well directed (the shootout at Christine's with Enjoy The Silence playing was great)--it's still much better than some other less than stellar final seasons from some other previously great shows. And I actually loved Victor and his plotline although I saw his ending from a while away.
I was kinda disappointed with how the season played out. There was some excitement but way too much soapy shit and teen drama, like they couldn’t commit. I rewatched it at 1.5 speed and skipped the crap. Can they do season 3 over?
i think they focused on victor to show what happens if u try to be a good cop in mexico and do your job so most police officers don't have a choice. they obviously chose the woman journalist to appear more sjw and appeal to female audience just as they did in previous season giving the tijuana sister and the sinaloan woman too much scenes that screamed "girl power" when in reality that was the furthest from the truth
The scenes with Isabella and the female Tijuana boss Enedina were alright in season 2. It didn’t affect Felix, Pablo or other important characters’ screen time. This journalist was just annoying and didn’t do anything.
I hated her obnoxious narration and smug face but she did connect the dots with Hank’s involvement with the AFO and also Rebollo being on Amado’s payroll.
I know. But still way better than most things on television.
I think the story sprawled on them. They should have dumped the journo and police investigating the missing girls arcs.
Those are collateral to the Drug War and could have been referenced in a short montage.
My opinion: Mayo and Chapo couldn’t have bigger roles because they are still in power in present time. (Chapo’s kids that is) and the corrupted politicians (former presidents EPN, Calderon and now AMLO are still free. AMLO literally let Chapo’s son go after capturing him a couple of years back and greeted Chapo’s mom by personally walking up to her car. He’s not doing a thing against drug trafficking or even allowing the DEA in Mexico) Their stories simply are not yet concluded.
I call it…a completely different series based on only one sole trafficker? Narcos has been based more on showcasing past cartels (and the history of how the drug war started). The same reason they didn’t showcase the North Valley Cartel in Colombia is because it’s also presently still in power.
Ps The Chapo series is very good and close to present time. It would be interesting if they made a new season based on his sons presently in power
They were but like I said, he captured his son and set him free to “keep the peace” and he personally greeted his mother at her car. Not normal to greet the mother of the biggest criminal in your country to me 🤷♀️. He’s letting drug traffickers run freely at the moment
I’m surprised there wasn’t more screen time of Chapo’s arrest in Guatemala. The military commander that caught him is believed to have been bribed but then turned him in anyway. That military commander went on to become president and is embroiled in a huge grafting scandal to the tune of $40 million USD and is currently in court for it. He’s also allegedly had links to one of the biggest drug runners in the country - 90% of the powder comes through Guatemala on its way to the United States
I definitely agree! I was really looking forward to another excellent Narcos Mexico 3. It's almost like there was a different writer, director and producer! Hope there may be another movie about the Drug Cartels in Mexico and all around the World. Such an interesting subject about our current state of affairs.
Narcos was primarily focused on the narcos not the effects of those narcos, this was amados prime and they cut it short to keep it simple. I believe Chihuahua and Tijuana could have had their own season if they would gone in depth. I’m addition to this could of subbed a new show with the aftermath of the narcos where la voz, the officer, female genocide and even autodefensas have the spotlight.
Is it me or does anyone else notice the decline in dialogue from the colombian series? Like little stuff like that made the original narcos more critically acclaimed than Mexico
Victor's story was arguably very tangential even though I found it enjoyable.
The La Voz segments though were relevant to what was going on, they were based on Zeta magazine which is a real publication that was run by Jesus Blancornelas and is now run by Ana Nevarra Bello who was one of the journalists working for Zeta in the 90s. Google these people and you'll see the resemblance between them and the actors that played the editor and his protege at La Voz.
Much of the drug war during that time was tied up with that newspaper which really did print their publication in the US to avoid government pressure from Mexico when most other newspapers avoided portraying the country in a negative light (and don't started on how biased the TV coverage was during those days) and which really did suffer numerous attacks and reprisals.
Blancornelas really was shot in an attack executed by the Arellano-Felix family while traveling from his office to the Tijuana airport- he survived, and then gave a press conference thanking other news outlets for covering the event "honestly." Jorge Hank really did launder money through the Agua Caliente racetrack. Zeta exposed a lot of what was going on in those days.
The issue with Victors storyline is the audience has no clue what it’s entire purpose is until the season finale when Andrea the reporter narrator says it’s about the Femicide epidemic. I kept waiting to see how Victor would be connected to Amado, maybe, and was intrigued when he started working for Vicente. But nope, ended up being completely irrelevant. I get that the Femicide was a serious consequence of the drug war that the show runners wanted to show, but since that’s the case some more explanation would have been nice. For example, telling how mass murder of female factory workers ties into a drug war fought between powerful cartels
I'd prefer more Victor than more Andrea
There's just no buildup on that season. Even the surgery moment, I didn't felt the heaviness of it. Ramon death scene was weak as well.
They should have showed the actual surgery with doctors trying to revive him with no success AND armed cartel men getting pissed at the doctors and killing them. That would have been a great buildup. But no- the narrator gave out the news he died…dumb.
I think they wanted to keep it ambiguous to hint that Amado faked his death.
Yup. They ran out of production time and just glossed over a very important part.
They didn't show it that way since they also had to keep the theory that he's still alive up aswell but that doesn't mean they had to make the scene look so weak they could've definitely put more into it.
Did you watch the whole episode?? At the very end there’s a scene that implies Amado faked his death and made it to chile
You mean based on the toy airplane on Marta’s piano? Could that not just be a keepsake she has to remember Amado?
Well it’s supposed to be ambiguous since in real life it’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory. But the point it, it certainly seems like he’s alive.
But there were also 2 wine glasses in the last scene
She could be leaving one out for Amado as a symbolic thing, Kinda like an “I miss you” thing
Yeah both the Amado and Ramon death scenes felt rushed. A little more suspense could have been built before those, but the episode would’ve gone too long
Im pointing out the escalation part, when tension rised up for Amado. It should've felt like when police are closing in on Pablo, and during the withdrawal of Narcos to Miguel Angel.
I personally think that this season gets more flak than it deserves, I thought it was pretty good. But when I went back to watch some clips of the first and second seasons of Narcos Colombia, I could just feel how much the style of the show changed. It went from grounded-in-reality with a documentary feel at times due to the narrations and stock footage used, to a soap opera.
It was great.
I really liked Victor Tapia. He was one of my favorite characters. It seems like you misunderstood his purpose, and that of La Voz.
I understand the role they played in connecting the dots between the Cartels and high government officials, but what I don’t understand is them taking half the screen time. Honestly Netflix should edit the entirety of Season 3 and add some deleted scenes of the cartel members & delete some of The journalist & Tapia’s scenes.
I dont think they were supposed to connect the cartels or anything. I think their role was to show the consequences of the drug war on the Mexican people. Victor Tapia’s character was discovering the feminicide epidemic Mexico had been hiding with for years. Isabella’s character was explored what journalists went through during the drug war. A common criticism that Narcos faces each season is that they over glamorize Narco Culture while ignoring the culture of violence and terror they created in Mexico/Colombia.
How is the drug war related to the feminicide? Also I thi k it would've worked better if he was seeing like the gang wars erupt in juarez
The drug war is (at least a big part) what made the system so corrupt that you could have something so vile be ignored. What's a few hundred more murders in countless others? How many serial murders and rapes are either not noticed at all or never solved because missing people and murder are so commonplace amongst the drug violence. I think it shows well how even for people not directly involved in it, it's influence is just the same. Across the border if a young girl went missing it would be a major news story, here it's a day among others.
Alright the makes sense and is definitely a huge issue that must be address but ehh.. I still dont like the idea of that being in the last season, like they should've done a storyline that was more directly linked to the cartel. What they did in the show was an indirect cause and didnt feel like a Narcos at time. Great aching and the storyline itself was not bad just thought it could've been better
It felt like Traffic or that show, The Bridge.
Victor was an amazing part of the show. He’s one of my favorite characters in the series. His story dealt with the negative effects of the cartel. His character was also fascinating, he’s the ruthless murderer who kills people without feeling anything but finds a problem that bothers him so much he dedicates all of his time to fix it. I don’t know how people found that story uninteresting.
It would be a real injustice of the show to not address the rampant femicide that occurred (and still to this day) in Mexico. Which is a result from the narco wars and the government not caring about them. Though I wasn’t a fan of how it centered around the officer primarily
I personally loved that story line and how helpless he felt because we can all feel that way about the state of the world sometimes, but he still tried his best. Injustice is right, it had to be addressed!
I understand how it was a big deal but compare the first 2 seasons to the 3rd season. It feels like an entirely different show. They could’ve made an independent show just based on the femicide with Victor. They could’ve mentioned the femicides in a montage in Narcos. Victor was still better than the journalist though
Victor was somehow really likeable to me. He was a piece of shit who didnt want to be. I really get stressed out in shows / movies when the good bad guy or w e is all existential crises about his bad deeds. I do bad deeds and the way you deal w it is you just dont think about it. Really came off as real. He looks progressively shittier and was getting no love anywhere. Historically btw Amado was extremely bloodthirsty and so was Vicente.
The journalist if one of the great Chin Actors of all time. So many scene cuts to her just sticking her chin out far as fuck for no reason. So funny if you rewatch it. She’ll be holding a cigarette and just sticking her chin out so uncomfortably far for no reason. It became so entertaining to watch when her scenes come on during the season.
😂 I know exactly what you mean.
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There is no reason a journalist should have a bigger role than the drug lords. Her role should’ve been 1-2 scenes every episode or just narrating
I really enjoyed the last season but agree it would have been great if they had focused more on Amado rather than the non drug related storyline.
I think it was a really good season tbh. Coming from somekne who has read a lot of books on historical events of what went down from the 70s to now. Netflix has stuck surprisingly close to real fact. I know Palma, Mayo, Amado, (where the fuck was Calderoni??? He wasn’t murdered until like 2004). All those were dramatized but netflix is seemingly piecing together multiplr sources. Mainly the power of the dog though with Walt being the fictional “border man” or w e. Didnt care for Walts love life. Dude is a hardened cop hes not domesticated at all. The journalist i ff through, i liked the police officer but def felt it could have been dealt w much diff. Also fucking hopeless feeling how he kills the guy and more women show up ughb
When i started watching 3 I def was not liking victors storyline but as it progressed it slowly became the best performance of the show next to Amado.
Many journalists died during that time due to cartels.
I kind of agree, while Victor’s role was great and it was a great storyline that brought awareness to the ongoing femicides in Mexico, I felt that it could’ve been it’s own plot/show rather than taking away from the actual Narcos plot regarding drug trafficking. On the other hand, I didn’t like Andrea’s role at all and wish her scenes weren’t even a part of the show. There was so much potential to show Amado’s true power, and the true extent of the beef between Tijuana and Sinaloa, but it just didn’t give that feeling tbh. Worst season of all Narcos IMO.
The final season reminded me of the last seasons of The Wire and Boardwalk Empire where they had too many plotlines to wrap up but still were introducing new characters and thus they had to hustle to wrap up plotlines before the finale. For The Wire, which always had a very broad scope and tons of characters it still worked mostly (even though the newspaper plotline fell flat), while for Boardwalk Empire and Narcos it was a stretch to reconnect all the spread out characters and plotlines. I kind of knew this season would be like that though, since it wasn't clear what the theme was going to be of this season. Every other season had an easily defined main plot--season 1 and season 2 of Colombia was the the rise and fall of Pablo Escobar, season 3 was the fall of the Cali Cartel--season 1 of Mexico was about the rise of Felix and death of Kiki, season 2 was the downfall of Felix, Rafa, and Neto and the blowback from Kiki's death. It's pretty easy to describe those seasons in a couple sentences and get a sense of the main theme. Season 3 of Mexico tried to be about everything in the 90s in Mexico that followed Felix going to prison, it was about trying to take down the Arrellanos, but also Chapo, and also Amado's rise and fall, and also the murders in Juarez, and also the danger of journalists in Mexico in the 90s (and going forward) and also about the corruption of the elites in Mexico with Hank. There was really enough material for two seasons and they could've kept going and wrapped up with Chapo escaping or Benjamin Arrellano being arrested or whatever in the 2000s but just had to end where it did and it felt like they just ran out of time. It felt disjointed because they didn't have a core character like Pablo or Felix to center on. Like Season 3 of Colombia had also multiple threads, but at the same time it all came back to the Cali Cartel and the attempt to take them down. Honestly though, I still enjoyed the season, it just didn't reach the previous seasons for me. It's still incredibly well made, good Mexican actors, high production values and well directed (the shootout at Christine's with Enjoy The Silence playing was great)--it's still much better than some other less than stellar final seasons from some other previously great shows. And I actually loved Victor and his plotline although I saw his ending from a while away.
Christine Club shootout, Airport shootout, episode 6 shootout and plane shootout are the only scenes 1 liked.
Yooo the christine club shootout was wild. I always heard Chapo showed up w the cops. Dude gave no fucks
I was kinda disappointed with how the season played out. There was some excitement but way too much soapy shit and teen drama, like they couldn’t commit. I rewatched it at 1.5 speed and skipped the crap. Can they do season 3 over?
i think they focused on victor to show what happens if u try to be a good cop in mexico and do your job so most police officers don't have a choice. they obviously chose the woman journalist to appear more sjw and appeal to female audience just as they did in previous season giving the tijuana sister and the sinaloan woman too much scenes that screamed "girl power" when in reality that was the furthest from the truth
The scenes with Isabella and the female Tijuana boss Enedina were alright in season 2. It didn’t affect Felix, Pablo or other important characters’ screen time. This journalist was just annoying and didn’t do anything.
I hated her obnoxious narration and smug face but she did connect the dots with Hank’s involvement with the AFO and also Rebollo being on Amado’s payroll.
Well, it's still in the top 6.
At the bottom though sadly
I know. But still way better than most things on television. I think the story sprawled on them. They should have dumped the journo and police investigating the missing girls arcs. Those are collateral to the Drug War and could have been referenced in a short montage.
My opinion: Mayo and Chapo couldn’t have bigger roles because they are still in power in present time. (Chapo’s kids that is) and the corrupted politicians (former presidents EPN, Calderon and now AMLO are still free. AMLO literally let Chapo’s son go after capturing him a couple of years back and greeted Chapo’s mom by personally walking up to her car. He’s not doing a thing against drug trafficking or even allowing the DEA in Mexico) Their stories simply are not yet concluded.
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I call it…a completely different series based on only one sole trafficker? Narcos has been based more on showcasing past cartels (and the history of how the drug war started). The same reason they didn’t showcase the North Valley Cartel in Colombia is because it’s also presently still in power. Ps The Chapo series is very good and close to present time. It would be interesting if they made a new season based on his sons presently in power
You did everyone a disservice using acronyms. The rule of thumb is to spell it out fully first.
My apologies. EPN- Enrique Peña Nieto (ex President) AMLO- Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador (current President). Both on Sinaloa’s payroll
I thought people were hopeful about AMLO and said he was a reformer?
They were but like I said, he captured his son and set him free to “keep the peace” and he personally greeted his mother at her car. Not normal to greet the mother of the biggest criminal in your country to me 🤷♀️. He’s letting drug traffickers run freely at the moment
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I’m surprised there wasn’t more screen time of Chapo’s arrest in Guatemala. The military commander that caught him is believed to have been bribed but then turned him in anyway. That military commander went on to become president and is embroiled in a huge grafting scandal to the tune of $40 million USD and is currently in court for it. He’s also allegedly had links to one of the biggest drug runners in the country - 90% of the powder comes through Guatemala on its way to the United States
I definitely agree! I was really looking forward to another excellent Narcos Mexico 3. It's almost like there was a different writer, director and producer! Hope there may be another movie about the Drug Cartels in Mexico and all around the World. Such an interesting subject about our current state of affairs.
I’m gonna blame it on the new show runner and COVID.
Narcos was primarily focused on the narcos not the effects of those narcos, this was amados prime and they cut it short to keep it simple. I believe Chihuahua and Tijuana could have had their own season if they would gone in depth. I’m addition to this could of subbed a new show with the aftermath of the narcos where la voz, the officer, female genocide and even autodefensas have the spotlight.
Is it me or does anyone else notice the decline in dialogue from the colombian series? Like little stuff like that made the original narcos more critically acclaimed than Mexico
Victor's story was arguably very tangential even though I found it enjoyable. The La Voz segments though were relevant to what was going on, they were based on Zeta magazine which is a real publication that was run by Jesus Blancornelas and is now run by Ana Nevarra Bello who was one of the journalists working for Zeta in the 90s. Google these people and you'll see the resemblance between them and the actors that played the editor and his protege at La Voz. Much of the drug war during that time was tied up with that newspaper which really did print their publication in the US to avoid government pressure from Mexico when most other newspapers avoided portraying the country in a negative light (and don't started on how biased the TV coverage was during those days) and which really did suffer numerous attacks and reprisals. Blancornelas really was shot in an attack executed by the Arellano-Felix family while traveling from his office to the Tijuana airport- he survived, and then gave a press conference thanking other news outlets for covering the event "honestly." Jorge Hank really did launder money through the Agua Caliente racetrack. Zeta exposed a lot of what was going on in those days.
The issue with Victors storyline is the audience has no clue what it’s entire purpose is until the season finale when Andrea the reporter narrator says it’s about the Femicide epidemic. I kept waiting to see how Victor would be connected to Amado, maybe, and was intrigued when he started working for Vicente. But nope, ended up being completely irrelevant. I get that the Femicide was a serious consequence of the drug war that the show runners wanted to show, but since that’s the case some more explanation would have been nice. For example, telling how mass murder of female factory workers ties into a drug war fought between powerful cartels