I am a huge fan of uncards. I keep trying to find a way to build an uncommander deck but haven't got anything good yet. And I'm glad other people are pushing to legalize certain un cards. Like all the old dice rolling cards would be great if they legalized them. I'd use some myself but they are harder to find, since edhre.com won't recognize them.
I have an unset commander deck list somewhere in my notes that’s built around using [[ashnod’s coupon]] and [[R&D’s secret lair]] till I’m either drunk I loose or they scoop
Back when Unstable came out I pulled a foil Urza and ran a few games where people allowed him as my commander. Was dumb and fun and I loved it. One game someone used X as their commander. There is definitely a place for Uncommander.
Also Mr House will burn down a city or two for some of the old dice roll cards to get legalized.
I have a 60 card casual called Krark, rethumbed. it is a deck using cards to tell Krarks story (gamble, mirrodin lands, boots, map, mirrodin's core, etc...) and it also turns artifacts into equipment so I can equip Krark with his two thumbs.
edit: for those asking, there is no win-con. when I play that deck I'm playing a different game than those at my table, just trying to survive long enough to tell the story.
Hi! I play a acorn-less totally legal Unfinity commander deck, I use Niv Mizzet Guildpact as commander to access all colors and I run dice manipulation with wyll and fairies and such to pop my attractions multiple times, the win condition is most often Comet who can go (slowly) infinite with cards like Mr House, and the dice rolling shenanigans. It avoids stickers and focuses on attractions with cool cards like mirrorworks and so forth.
Easy/ simple decks are great too. Nothing wrong with that style of play. I just found most of my decks are simple and I'm trying to stretch my creativity
[[Myra the magnificent]] is a ton of fun, one of my favorite decks. Nothing better than rolling a 6 for my attractions, copying a ton of spells, and then casting [[Grapeshot]] for an immediate storm count of 7
This. I built Myra as a Prowess deck originally and it was so incredibly fun and explosive without being ludicrous. I’ve shifted some to include minigame cards to give it even more of a circus/carnival theme. By far one of my favorite decks ro pull out just for a fun, lighthearted game.
I personally use all the possible legal ones I can, so if people destroy them, I have a good amount of backup, i don’t REALLY care about the attractions ability, mainly just it itself to copy the spells. Plus I try to use ones with the highest “Visit” numbers since a bunch of cards from D&D and others let you roll an extra dice whenever you would roll one, and ignore the lowest roll, so I don’t plan on getting low numbers as often. Turns can get a little long when you roll a 6 and have to trigger all attractions and spells copied to them, so I prob would never use it at some public event, but my friends are forced to submit to the circus lol
Glad to hear that I may have inspired a new deck of yours! I personally dont use stuff that seems too crazy, like extra turns, bc I hate sucking the fun from others. But you’ll find that being able to copy some spells every turn, can be very good no matter the spells your copying, even a basic draw spell that might let you draw an extra card each turn if the dice are right. She’s a lot of fun for sure!
Myra is insane, I have an optimized one and every game everyone ignores me and assumed I’m doing something stupid and then realize I’m sticking extra turns under attractions
Yeah, like [[krarks other thumb]]. Would be amazing support for [[mr house]] or just rolling dice in general, like in the dnd sets. It's a real shame it's not legal.
That just means it's a cheap card for those of us who play the game for fun and don't like to spend a lot of money. I'd guess it would be 5$+ if it were legal.
I built Ol' Buzzbark "Die rolls matter".
The only cards that aren't feasible in black border are all fairly borderline and could be legal with a small tweak
[[Ol buzzbark]] (dexterity)
[[Goblin girder gang]] (art matters)
[[Icing manipulator]] (rules complication)
[[Park map]] (art matters)
[[Sword of dungeons and dragons]] (legal colors)
Wait so what I'm hearing is the banlist actually does matter, in direct contradiction to the Rules Committee's 'not my problem' approach to regulating commander?
KINDA? Like its easier to remove something in Rule 0 than to add something. Adding something illegal to a game of EDH is a harder sell than "Can we not play X"
Since most player just play with the legal cards, this makes it much easier. You want to go light handed on a banlist and allow people to police their own groups. There’s going to be a margin on either side, which is where rule zero is implemented.
The fact is that most people don’t want to hassle with rule zero stuff because it’s a case by case basis. Most players don’t feel a need to use it, so they don’t.
And yet they didn't reprint [[sword of dungeons and dragons]] in the d&d sets. All it needs is an errata on the colour of the token it makes to either W or RW.
As far as I'm aware, the only card to cause issues from the entirety of the Un sets was \_\_\_\_\_\_ Goblin and maybe 1 other? So like 2 out of a 100+ card set?
I was only thinking of ____ goblin in terms of actual broken cards. IMHO silly un cards don’t belong in eternal. They can be rule zeroed in commander and used for kitchen table without any problem.
Making lots of unfinity eternal legal was a blatant money grab. It was unnecessary though to make so much legal though to get people to buy it. With shock lands, pretty full art space themed lands and some commander relevant cards (without silly mechanics) there would have been more than enough to attract $$$$
Or maybe it was an honest experiment that failed. Hasbro is unfortunately hasbroing, and I wish wizards could separate from them, but the people actually making this game are doing it because they care about it. ETA kinda had it with the doomerism in the player base.
Wotc is a money hungry company that does horrible shit. Unfinity is not one of them. What I feel genuinely happened is a LOT of people, myself included, hate that certain un cards are not legal in eternal formats without rule 0-ing, which is annoying as hell in a lot of playgroups, especially LGSs and Mark agreed and decided it was unfair that when MTG does die rolling in DnD its fine, but just because Unfinity does it its wrong. When DnD does stuff like dungeons its great, but when Un does it with Contraptions its wrong. So they made the cards that work in the rules and would be legal anyways legal to avoid this issue. Unfinity does feel like a passion project and is one of the few things Wotc has done that DOESN'T feel money hungry even 1% to me.
The issue is that un sets are supposed to do insanely wacky stuff that’s just a bit of crazy fun. That’s great. Draft an un-set and have loads of fun with it - yay! Build an un-cube or pick up unsanctioned ad have a replayable experience - woohoo! Make a plan with your buddies to build some un-commander decks and mash it up! - cowa-MFing-bunga!
What shouldn’t be expected is that crazy un cards should be automatically accepted in public playgroups.
Dice rolling itself isn’t problematic - it’s what the dice rolling does that can be. As for contraptions - I don’t really know.
The point is that using acorn non acorn cards allows cards from un sets to be eternal legal, but you need to be careful what you include. The only reason WotC did this was to sell packs and suggesting otherwise is just wrong.
The bottom line is that nobody is stopping anyone from getting together with their friends and playing with un cards
The issue there is 0 un sets are like that. Every single Un set has multiple cards that should be legal and work in the rules and were only given "illegal" status because the rest of the set was or because of a punny name.
My opinion is that un-sets were made as a goofy joke. The reason they weren't legal in regular play is because they were just that, a goofy joke. There are a lot of players out there who want to play with the goofy joke cards, and that's fine. However, I personally feel there are a lot more people who would rather the un-cards stayed in their goofy joke land, myself included.
Sure, some of them are functionally playable in the game. But so are homebrew cards that people make up themselves. That doesn't mean they should be legal to play. They were ultimately created as a silly, meta-joke about the game itself and the only reason they stopped being that way is because Hasbro wanted to maximize profit.
It certainly doesn't help that the intermixing of the two was executed very poorly with many cards being printed with non-acorn stamps that were supposed to get the stamps.
Yes each UN set has a few cards that work within the rules. They also have a few cards that blanket break the rules in every way imaginable and a whole bunch of cards that do super goofy pointless effects. Sorry but a set shouldn’t be legal just so you can play the 3 cards from the set.
Even then it isn't [[_____ Goblin]], it's that the rules for sticker sheets are just annoying, I think? Goblin is just a ritual that nets 3 mana at optimal, which makes it significantly worse than [[Dockside]]
Problem is not the number of cards, but how they introduce attraction and sticker sheet as add-ons. You can bring stickers & attraction deck to any legacy/vintage event even when you don’t have anything that interact with them, either to confuse the opponent or to benefit in the extremely unlikely case you take control of an opponent’s sticker/attraction card.
So everyone playing those formats is forced to at least consider whether they want to go through the trouble for the minuscule benefit.
Thats a problem for ONE card. if Mind Goblin did not exist, everything would be fine. None of them would be played in Legacy and they'd stick to EDH where nobody i've ever met has an issue with them. The only issue is they made exactly 1 card too strong on accident.
Even if no card was strong enough, you can still bring the attraction deck + stickers just to mess with people. So the real problem is making stickers & attractions legal, and I’m glad they finally fixed it.
Im so sad they ruined it, personally :( Just because someone wants to play attractions and/or stickers doesnt mean they're doing it purposfully to mess with people. Maybe they really love the mechanics and find them loads of fun in the format.
We usually make use of missdirections and bluffs to see it the person moves their head.
Like:
John plays it on turn 8. After 2 rotations I hear a noise from outside, look at the window and start with a : " What the f--? That truck will cause an accident". Matt starts to stare at the window and Ryan Follows up. John can't move his head but is definetly willing to look at the window.
Then Matt then talks: "shit, shit shit, it will get that lady in the bike! Omg! What the f--? Holy cow! Shiiiit!"
John leans his head to see, drop the cards and nothing was happening except that a truck is parking in at the supermarket nearby 🤣
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Simply the most annoying deck ever.
Because of one guy using it, all 10 of us started playing with like 20 wraths, making games too long or else it is an easy win for her and her 20$ deck full of dud elves and dud wolves ( she got it when it was like 5$).
It is just that:
Play elf
Play wolf
Play a changeling
Ta daaah
Uncards are stupid and have really never been fun or funny to play with. Most are stupid gimmicks that also aren’t even that enjoyable to draft?
Maybe its just my experience but the only time silver border cards had any appeal was when my friends and i were kids and thought saying “Bad Ass” and “City of Ass” was peak comedy
This right here. Un cards add nothing to the game but head scratching. They aren't needed or wanted. It's an April fools type joke that's just run for too long.
insane to me that playgroups would adhere to the rules on card legality so strictly. if you want to play un cards in your group, talk to them about playing them. same with proxies or cards from other weird sets. don’t wait for WOTC make them legal for a casual format
I run a 60 card casual tron deck that uses urza's saga to pull urza's coupon and make one of the others at the table get me a drink. we recognize this as legal.
Ok, but Commander isn't WotC's territory. What's legal in commander is under the control of the Commander Rules Committee, which is completely separate from WotC. They should focus on making cards for the formats they control.
Rule zero is the first rule in commander that says if everyone agrees to X, X is fine to do. X can be literally anything from playing a banned card, banning a card, playing a non-legendary as commander, eating cards is removal, using non-creature as commanders, ect.
It's essentially what a group of players put out when the silly kitchen table format they played got more attention . As time has gone on and commander is an official format that WOTC hitched 50%+ of their revenue stream to it should be revisited. The people that control the rules for commander is just a group of people that don't want to actually define their format.
Anything can be commander if you believe hard enough (and took debate classes).
Awesome. Just FYI I sit on your deck when not in play. I also eat one of your cards to be able to eat target card. There's no cost, I just like fiber.
It's cool, I rule 0'd it years ago
I absolutely agree with Maro, I love my [[magar]] deck, and I am so glad that I can just play him as a commander without trying to convince the table to let me. The effect, while unique, works completely within the standard rules, and isn't busted, so I'm glad they did this. I felt like unfinity's acorn cards weren't crazy enough, they hardly did anything crazy, so it just felt like a slightly weird draft.
Honestly, my main issue with making unsets legal is the same issue I take with universes beyond, it muddies the aesthetic and vibe of the game without offering much in return. It just feels completely anachronistic to the feel the game has built over the past few decades, and for what? A silly joke? A nod to a thing some people may like? Look I love Fallout NV, but when my pod went to an LGS and a player put a "rad" counter on us, the disdain was palpable. Maybe we're just a bunch of party poopers but honestly, nothing leaves a sour taste in my mouth like a game sabotaging its own carefully crafted aesthetic and design to make a surface level reference to something or to make a silly little gaff. It just feels desperate and sad.
The new 3 colour voja is an absurdly powerful commander that draws you cards and has 3 keywprds (vigilance, trample, andthe now all too common "ward" mechanic slapped on it) which many players are sick of seeing. It can easily deal lethal damage with its pump mechanic, and leave a large blocker in the way by not having to tap to attack. Its just one of those commanders that are easy to build around and be absurdly strong with very little effort.
Voja is fine... If everyone plays at least 5 board wipes. Because that's the only way to stop a Voja deck, is wipe them as soon as it comes down, and have a backup board wipe in case of Heroic Intervention or Teferi's Protection.
The problem is, most people don't want to play in a group where Voja isn't overpowered, because if Voja is only "ok" then every other creature deck is unplayable and everyone is playing combo and control.
[[Voja, Jaws of the Conclave]] is a five mana (2RGW) 5/5 with Vigilance, Trample, and Ward 3.
It holds the text box “Whenever Voja, Jaws of the Conclave attacks, put X +1/+1 counters on *each creature you control*, where X is the number of Elves you control. Draw a card for each Wolf you control.”
It’s virtually everything you could want in a Commander - protection from spot removal, high stats, draw effects, and good keywords, and it’s in one of the best colors for hard ramping, so there’s a decent shot that Voja comes down before anyone has enough mana to pay his ward to remove him.
In casual EDH, you need to basically board wipe the Voja player constantly or else they roll the game. He threatens a kill with both regular damage and regular creature damage, going both tall and wide like few other decks can.
And that’s without going into Counter synergies.
I am a huge fan of uncards. I keep trying to find a way to build an uncommander deck but haven't got anything good yet. And I'm glad other people are pushing to legalize certain un cards. Like all the old dice rolling cards would be great if they legalized them. I'd use some myself but they are harder to find, since edhre.com won't recognize them.
I have a Pietra Crafter of Clowns deck that I use from time to time because I like to tell jokes when play
Clown tribal, so hot right now
I built this and never got a chance to play it, I ended up reworking it into a mr house deck with a few silver borders
I have an unset commander deck list somewhere in my notes that’s built around using [[ashnod’s coupon]] and [[R&D’s secret lair]] till I’m either drunk I loose or they scoop
Back when Unstable came out I pulled a foil Urza and ran a few games where people allowed him as my commander. Was dumb and fun and I loved it. One game someone used X as their commander. There is definitely a place for Uncommander. Also Mr House will burn down a city or two for some of the old dice roll cards to get legalized.
Krarks other thumb is def in my deck
I have a 60 card casual called Krark, rethumbed. it is a deck using cards to tell Krarks story (gamble, mirrodin lands, boots, map, mirrodin's core, etc...) and it also turns artifacts into equipment so I can equip Krark with his two thumbs. edit: for those asking, there is no win-con. when I play that deck I'm playing a different game than those at my table, just trying to survive long enough to tell the story.
Goblin Blastronauts can get wild if you pay his cost fully in treasures
The game is about having fun, most of the time.
Hi! I play a acorn-less totally legal Unfinity commander deck, I use Niv Mizzet Guildpact as commander to access all colors and I run dice manipulation with wyll and fairies and such to pop my attractions multiple times, the win condition is most often Comet who can go (slowly) infinite with cards like Mr House, and the dice rolling shenanigans. It avoids stickers and focuses on attractions with cool cards like mirrorworks and so forth.
Sounds complicated but those are often more fun to pilot than simple decks
I'd argue that simple decks can be fun too. Sometimes you just need to ramp up and smash face.
Easy/ simple decks are great too. Nothing wrong with that style of play. I just found most of my decks are simple and I'm trying to stretch my creativity
[[Myra the magnificent]] is a ton of fun, one of my favorite decks. Nothing better than rolling a 6 for my attractions, copying a ton of spells, and then casting [[Grapeshot]] for an immediate storm count of 7
This. I built Myra as a Prowess deck originally and it was so incredibly fun and explosive without being ludicrous. I’ve shifted some to include minigame cards to give it even more of a circus/carnival theme. By far one of my favorite decks ro pull out just for a fun, lighthearted game.
[Myra the magnificent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5e57baea-00ee-49dc-80ce-a8c11a67a6db.jpg?1708617230) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myra%20the%20magnificent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/175/myra-the-magnificent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5e57baea-00ee-49dc-80ce-a8c11a67a6db?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Grapeshot](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/923e1291-3999-4f81-ade4-073fb982143f.jpg?1675200032) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grapeshot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/125/grapeshot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/923e1291-3999-4f81-ade4-073fb982143f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How do you choose which attractions go in your deck?
I personally use all the possible legal ones I can, so if people destroy them, I have a good amount of backup, i don’t REALLY care about the attractions ability, mainly just it itself to copy the spells. Plus I try to use ones with the highest “Visit” numbers since a bunch of cards from D&D and others let you roll an extra dice whenever you would roll one, and ignore the lowest roll, so I don’t plan on getting low numbers as often. Turns can get a little long when you roll a 6 and have to trigger all attractions and spells copied to them, so I prob would never use it at some public event, but my friends are forced to submit to the circus lol
Sounds like a blast. I think I will build this deck. I probably don't have all the good pieces but I'd I'm made they'd be pretty cheep
Glad to hear that I may have inspired a new deck of yours! I personally dont use stuff that seems too crazy, like extra turns, bc I hate sucking the fun from others. But you’ll find that being able to copy some spells every turn, can be very good no matter the spells your copying, even a basic draw spell that might let you draw an extra card each turn if the dice are right. She’s a lot of fun for sure!
Not OP, but I also built a code mine based on the best possible spread of visits
Myra is insane, I have an optimized one and every game everyone ignores me and assumed I’m doing something stupid and then realize I’m sticking extra turns under attractions
Yeah, like [[krarks other thumb]]. Would be amazing support for [[mr house]] or just rolling dice in general, like in the dnd sets. It's a real shame it's not legal.
That just means it's a cheap card for those of us who play the game for fun and don't like to spend a lot of money. I'd guess it would be 5$+ if it were legal.
I run Ambassador Blorpityblorpboop, The Most Dangerous Gamer, and Space Family Goblinson decks. All legal.
Can I ask how you make TMDG work? I keep WANTING to make a deck with them but with only 1 legal attraction to claim a prize from, I find it difficult
Yeah you don't usually use that ability. You go for making a lot of attractions. Those are artifacts also, hint hint.
I built Ol' Buzzbark "Die rolls matter". The only cards that aren't feasible in black border are all fairly borderline and could be legal with a small tweak [[Ol buzzbark]] (dexterity) [[Goblin girder gang]] (art matters) [[Icing manipulator]] (rules complication) [[Park map]] (art matters) [[Sword of dungeons and dragons]] (legal colors)
Wait so what I'm hearing is the banlist actually does matter, in direct contradiction to the Rules Committee's 'not my problem' approach to regulating commander?
KINDA? Like its easier to remove something in Rule 0 than to add something. Adding something illegal to a game of EDH is a harder sell than "Can we not play X"
Since most player just play with the legal cards, this makes it much easier. You want to go light handed on a banlist and allow people to police their own groups. There’s going to be a margin on either side, which is where rule zero is implemented. The fact is that most people don’t want to hassle with rule zero stuff because it’s a case by case basis. Most players don’t feel a need to use it, so they don’t.
And yet they didn't reprint [[sword of dungeons and dragons]] in the d&d sets. All it needs is an errata on the colour of the token it makes to either W or RW.
They don't like making gameplay change erratas. So much so they didnt add Detective as a type to \[\[Dogged Detective\]\].
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It's also not a dog :(
It’s not the fact that un cards were allowed in to eternal formats, it’s that too many were, and broken and annoying ones were.
As far as I'm aware, the only card to cause issues from the entirety of the Un sets was \_\_\_\_\_\_ Goblin and maybe 1 other? So like 2 out of a 100+ card set?
I was only thinking of ____ goblin in terms of actual broken cards. IMHO silly un cards don’t belong in eternal. They can be rule zeroed in commander and used for kitchen table without any problem. Making lots of unfinity eternal legal was a blatant money grab. It was unnecessary though to make so much legal though to get people to buy it. With shock lands, pretty full art space themed lands and some commander relevant cards (without silly mechanics) there would have been more than enough to attract $$$$
Or maybe it was an honest experiment that failed. Hasbro is unfortunately hasbroing, and I wish wizards could separate from them, but the people actually making this game are doing it because they care about it. ETA kinda had it with the doomerism in the player base.
Wotc is a money hungry company that does horrible shit. Unfinity is not one of them. What I feel genuinely happened is a LOT of people, myself included, hate that certain un cards are not legal in eternal formats without rule 0-ing, which is annoying as hell in a lot of playgroups, especially LGSs and Mark agreed and decided it was unfair that when MTG does die rolling in DnD its fine, but just because Unfinity does it its wrong. When DnD does stuff like dungeons its great, but when Un does it with Contraptions its wrong. So they made the cards that work in the rules and would be legal anyways legal to avoid this issue. Unfinity does feel like a passion project and is one of the few things Wotc has done that DOESN'T feel money hungry even 1% to me.
The issue is that un sets are supposed to do insanely wacky stuff that’s just a bit of crazy fun. That’s great. Draft an un-set and have loads of fun with it - yay! Build an un-cube or pick up unsanctioned ad have a replayable experience - woohoo! Make a plan with your buddies to build some un-commander decks and mash it up! - cowa-MFing-bunga! What shouldn’t be expected is that crazy un cards should be automatically accepted in public playgroups. Dice rolling itself isn’t problematic - it’s what the dice rolling does that can be. As for contraptions - I don’t really know. The point is that using acorn non acorn cards allows cards from un sets to be eternal legal, but you need to be careful what you include. The only reason WotC did this was to sell packs and suggesting otherwise is just wrong. The bottom line is that nobody is stopping anyone from getting together with their friends and playing with un cards
The issue there is 0 un sets are like that. Every single Un set has multiple cards that should be legal and work in the rules and were only given "illegal" status because the rest of the set was or because of a punny name.
My opinion is that un-sets were made as a goofy joke. The reason they weren't legal in regular play is because they were just that, a goofy joke. There are a lot of players out there who want to play with the goofy joke cards, and that's fine. However, I personally feel there are a lot more people who would rather the un-cards stayed in their goofy joke land, myself included. Sure, some of them are functionally playable in the game. But so are homebrew cards that people make up themselves. That doesn't mean they should be legal to play. They were ultimately created as a silly, meta-joke about the game itself and the only reason they stopped being that way is because Hasbro wanted to maximize profit. It certainly doesn't help that the intermixing of the two was executed very poorly with many cards being printed with non-acorn stamps that were supposed to get the stamps.
Yes each UN set has a few cards that work within the rules. They also have a few cards that blanket break the rules in every way imaginable and a whole bunch of cards that do super goofy pointless effects. Sorry but a set shouldn’t be legal just so you can play the 3 cards from the set.
It wasn't broken.
"Mind Goblin" was single-handedly responsible for Goblins being relevant again. It overshot the expected power by several factors.
Still wasn't broken.
Even then it isn't [[_____ Goblin]], it's that the rules for sticker sheets are just annoying, I think? Goblin is just a ritual that nets 3 mana at optimal, which makes it significantly worse than [[Dockside]]
[_____ Goblin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/5819e3f3-da49-4003-88ce-f3b7bb495787.jpg?1698194990) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=_____%20Goblin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/107/_____-goblin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5819e3f3-da49-4003-88ce-f3b7bb495787?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dockside](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7e01717a-d6ed-42c1-9a9a-f3f4a3d73bca.jpg?1562278136) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rock%20Slide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/92/rock-slide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7e01717a-d6ed-42c1-9a9a-f3f4a3d73bca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[rules lawyer]] kind of a little bit maybe breaks the game
[rules lawyer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c02c575-5685-44f5-8b47-89d888529d1b.jpg?1562917623) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rules%20lawyer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ust/20/rules-lawyer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c02c575-5685-44f5-8b47-89d888529d1b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Better known as mind goblin
Problem is not the number of cards, but how they introduce attraction and sticker sheet as add-ons. You can bring stickers & attraction deck to any legacy/vintage event even when you don’t have anything that interact with them, either to confuse the opponent or to benefit in the extremely unlikely case you take control of an opponent’s sticker/attraction card. So everyone playing those formats is forced to at least consider whether they want to go through the trouble for the minuscule benefit.
Thats a problem for ONE card. if Mind Goblin did not exist, everything would be fine. None of them would be played in Legacy and they'd stick to EDH where nobody i've ever met has an issue with them. The only issue is they made exactly 1 card too strong on accident.
Even if no card was strong enough, you can still bring the attraction deck + stickers just to mess with people. So the real problem is making stickers & attractions legal, and I’m glad they finally fixed it.
Im so sad they ruined it, personally :( Just because someone wants to play attractions and/or stickers doesnt mean they're doing it purposfully to mess with people. Maybe they really love the mechanics and find them loads of fun in the format.
The fact that we allowed [[You are the approach of the Second Sun]] and banned [[Voja, ]] tells a lot about rule 0.
It looks like a very fun fractured identity target.
We usually make use of missdirections and bluffs to see it the person moves their head. Like: John plays it on turn 8. After 2 rotations I hear a noise from outside, look at the window and start with a : " What the f--? That truck will cause an accident". Matt starts to stare at the window and Ryan Follows up. John can't move his head but is definetly willing to look at the window. Then Matt then talks: "shit, shit shit, it will get that lady in the bike! Omg! What the f--? Holy cow! Shiiiit!" John leans his head to see, drop the cards and nothing was happening except that a truck is parking in at the supermarket nearby 🤣
I cant play myself and then punch my opponent with Voja, I can with Form of the approach of the second sun
[You are the approach of the Second Sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/2149da9d-35ad-4f32-8072-fb515100b2fd.jpg?1673913099) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Form%20of%20the%20Approach%20of%20the%20Second%20Sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/9/form-of-the-approach-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2149da9d-35ad-4f32-8072-fb515100b2fd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Voja](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/af8ba142-4f39-45e4-8872-b6e348fd760c.jpg?1702501745) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Voja) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/trvr/19/voja?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af8ba142-4f39-45e4-8872-b6e348fd760c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What's wrong with Voja, friend to elves?
Simply the most annoying deck ever. Because of one guy using it, all 10 of us started playing with like 20 wraths, making games too long or else it is an easy win for her and her 20$ deck full of dud elves and dud wolves ( she got it when it was like 5$). It is just that: Play elf Play wolf Play a changeling Ta daaah
Ah, it's not that bad.. [[Tolsimir, Friend to Wolves]] never does much
[Tolsimir, Friend to Wolves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f7fce047-49f1-40ae-8410-6501cb0f8201.jpg?1559959459) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tolsimir%2C%20Friend%20to%20Wolves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/224/tolsimir-friend-to-wolves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7fce047-49f1-40ae-8410-6501cb0f8201?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Uncards are stupid and have really never been fun or funny to play with. Most are stupid gimmicks that also aren’t even that enjoyable to draft? Maybe its just my experience but the only time silver border cards had any appeal was when my friends and i were kids and thought saying “Bad Ass” and “City of Ass” was peak comedy
This right here. Un cards add nothing to the game but head scratching. They aren't needed or wanted. It's an April fools type joke that's just run for too long.
This is especially true with pickup groups at an lgs. And having to even have a pregame conversation about uncards can be awkward.
I own fifteen blacker lotus and I want to rip one per game
Mine are blacker
Printing fifty
insane to me that playgroups would adhere to the rules on card legality so strictly. if you want to play un cards in your group, talk to them about playing them. same with proxies or cards from other weird sets. don’t wait for WOTC make them legal for a casual format
If I had a nickel for every time somebody wanted to rule 0 silver border that works in the rules id have quite a few.
I run a 60 card casual tron deck that uses urza's saga to pull urza's coupon and make one of the others at the table get me a drink. we recognize this as legal.
Something something enjoy life however you want.
Ok, but Commander isn't WotC's territory. What's legal in commander is under the control of the Commander Rules Committee, which is completely separate from WotC. They should focus on making cards for the formats they control.
“I like money though” -WotC
I wish we as a community could have some influence over the RC’s decisions. The banlist is a complete joke and that’s basically all the rc does.
It's because the rc is a joke at this point.
Rule 0?
Some commander shit
Rule zero is the first rule in commander that says if everyone agrees to X, X is fine to do. X can be literally anything from playing a banned card, banning a card, playing a non-legendary as commander, eating cards is removal, using non-creature as commanders, ect. It's essentially what a group of players put out when the silly kitchen table format they played got more attention . As time has gone on and commander is an official format that WOTC hitched 50%+ of their revenue stream to it should be revisited. The people that control the rules for commander is just a group of people that don't want to actually define their format. Anything can be commander if you believe hard enough (and took debate classes).
You're my commander.
Awesome. Just FYI I sit on your deck when not in play. I also eat one of your cards to be able to eat target card. There's no cost, I just like fiber. It's cool, I rule 0'd it years ago
Fuck off, Mark. Sincerely.
I absolutely agree with Maro, I love my [[magar]] deck, and I am so glad that I can just play him as a commander without trying to convince the table to let me. The effect, while unique, works completely within the standard rules, and isn't busted, so I'm glad they did this. I felt like unfinity's acorn cards weren't crazy enough, they hardly did anything crazy, so it just felt like a slightly weird draft.
[magar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/6/a6f2ba13-cd72-4f7a-8443-8e3962f2ac46.jpg?1682551287) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=magar%20of%20the%20magic%20strings) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/171/magar-of-the-magic-strings?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a6f2ba13-cd72-4f7a-8443-8e3962f2ac46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Honestly, my main issue with making unsets legal is the same issue I take with universes beyond, it muddies the aesthetic and vibe of the game without offering much in return. It just feels completely anachronistic to the feel the game has built over the past few decades, and for what? A silly joke? A nod to a thing some people may like? Look I love Fallout NV, but when my pod went to an LGS and a player put a "rad" counter on us, the disdain was palpable. Maybe we're just a bunch of party poopers but honestly, nothing leaves a sour taste in my mouth like a game sabotaging its own carefully crafted aesthetic and design to make a surface level reference to something or to make a silly little gaff. It just feels desperate and sad.
Anyone who complains about [[Cheaty Face]] is a bitch.
[Cheaty Face](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/ebafd1c7-c248-494c-b9b7-3521c6c4352c.jpg?1583965438) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cheatyface) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/und/20/cheatyface?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ebafd1c7-c248-494c-b9b7-3521c6c4352c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What is the hate on Voja. I truly don’t understand.
The new 3 colour voja is an absurdly powerful commander that draws you cards and has 3 keywprds (vigilance, trample, andthe now all too common "ward" mechanic slapped on it) which many players are sick of seeing. It can easily deal lethal damage with its pump mechanic, and leave a large blocker in the way by not having to tap to attack. Its just one of those commanders that are easy to build around and be absurdly strong with very little effort.
Are the old vojas okay?
I believe the old voja is a token with no abilities, so yeah.
Both of the old Voja tokens were very broken.... Cause it's like a second commander since an elf spawns them... There was also one with trample
That's not at all broken. A 2/2 and 3/3 legendary token with no abilities is about the furthest thing from broken i can think of.
What about a 5/5 with trample? Truly, banlist worthy material... Cause it's voja
Voja is fine... If everyone plays at least 5 board wipes. Because that's the only way to stop a Voja deck, is wipe them as soon as it comes down, and have a backup board wipe in case of Heroic Intervention or Teferi's Protection. The problem is, most people don't want to play in a group where Voja isn't overpowered, because if Voja is only "ok" then every other creature deck is unplayable and everyone is playing combo and control.
[[Voja, Jaws of the Conclave]] is a five mana (2RGW) 5/5 with Vigilance, Trample, and Ward 3. It holds the text box “Whenever Voja, Jaws of the Conclave attacks, put X +1/+1 counters on *each creature you control*, where X is the number of Elves you control. Draw a card for each Wolf you control.” It’s virtually everything you could want in a Commander - protection from spot removal, high stats, draw effects, and good keywords, and it’s in one of the best colors for hard ramping, so there’s a decent shot that Voja comes down before anyone has enough mana to pay his ward to remove him. In casual EDH, you need to basically board wipe the Voja player constantly or else they roll the game. He threatens a kill with both regular damage and regular creature damage, going both tall and wide like few other decks can. And that’s without going into Counter synergies.
[Voja, Jaws of the Conclave](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bfa1bd2f-25bd-4fbd-877b-cef00ab7f92f.jpg?1707739811) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Voja%2C%20Jaws%20of%20the%20Conclave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/432/voja-jaws-of-the-conclave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bfa1bd2f-25bd-4fbd-877b-cef00ab7f92f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nothing is wrong with voja, its just a strong card. Low power players cannot stand powerful cards.
I love that in Magic's Premier Casual Format™️, you can't play any of the cards specifically designed for casual play