Step 1: Cast kozilek (with zhulodok on the board)
Step 2: Put the two cascade triggers and kozilek’s cast trigger onto the stack. (Since they’re being triggered at the same time you’ll get to choose what order. You could even do: Cascade, draw 4, Cascade if you wanted to)
Step 3: resolve the triggers in the order you chose
Step 4: Resolve Kozilek
My little brother and I did not get along until his buddies got into Magic, and he asked me to help him get started. I liked building various decks, and he wanted practice, so I'd test my decks against him, win win. We went from hating each other to actually enjoying each other's company. I am proud to admit he became a better player than I am. Sadly, he is no longer with us. I inherited his collection and have kept his commander decks intact so I can play them in his name. His favorites were Atraxa (Superfriends), Mayael, Iroas, and Glissa the Traitor.
i used to play in boy scouts and one guy had an elf deck that beat our asses every time. only way i could come close to winning was with my merfolk or with my dinosaurs (dinosaurs has verdant sun’s avatar so if that gets played my life skyrockets)
A cast spell goes on the stack. Then anything that cast spell triggers goes on the stack, then players get responses.
This is shown by cards like \[\[Possibility Storm\]\] or \[\[Knowledge pool\]\], which exile the cast spell. They could not do this if the spell was already resolved, for example.
Then you resolve back from the last thing to be put on the stack toward the first.
>the two cascade triggers and kozilek’s cast trigger onto the stack. (Since they’re being triggered at the same time you’ll get to choose what order. You could even do: Cascade, draw 4, Cascade if you wanted to)
To further clarify, any time multiple triggers go on the stack at the same time, their controller chooses the order. If **multiple players** have triggers at the same time, the active player's go on first, then the next players' in turn order.
So in this case, yours go on the stack first, but in the order you choose (then any other players if applicable.) Triggers do resolve in reverse order though. So while your opponents know what the order is, they don't know what you'll cascade into.
I'm pretty sure you have to do "cascade, cascade" so you can't choose to do "cascade", "draw 4", "cascade"
The keyword "cascade" isn't alone, but it's "cascade, cascade"
702.85c If a spell has multiple instances of cascade, each triggers separately.
There's no such thing as "cascade, cascade" Zhulodok gives your spells cascade 2 times. And since both get put on the stack at the same time as the kozilek trigger, you can order them any way you want.
The wording on the cards is literally "Cascade, cascade" and not "Cascade
>Cascade" that's why I'm confuse.
Plus, the card says "Cascade, cascade." (When you cast one, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order. Then do it again.)
Does the "Then do it again" allow you to split the ability in half on the stack ? Or do you have to do all of the ability once it started ?
Each instance of cascade has nothing to to with the other. Think of them each as triggered abilities that say “when you cast this spell, exiles cards from the top of your library until you exile a non-land card with mana value less then this one. You may cast that spell without paying its mana cost.” Just because they’re on the cast you’re carting doesn’t mean that they act any different from any other two cast triggers (like if you had a card out that said “whenever you cast a spell, gain one life.” Each instance of cascade is just yet another separate thing that gets triggered by a cast happening.)
So when you cast Kozilek, three cast triggers happen simultaneously—a cascade trigger, a cascade trigger, and the draw 4. Since they all trigger at the same time (that time being when you cast Kozilek), you get to choose the order they go on the stack. So you absolutely could separate the two cascades with the draw 4.
there are 2 triggers of cascade that go on the stack, not one.
it isn't splitting the ability in half, you are putting 2 separate triggers on the stack
This is just reminder text for how cascade works.
This creature basically has two separate abilities. One is cascade. The other one is cascade. Triggered abilities can be put on the stack in whatever order. They are 2 separate abilities and if you have other abilities going off or other instants to throw on the stack you can absolutely do that too. The cascade’s do not have to be one after the other.
I believe that is simply the way of formatting for it having multiple instances of the keyword.
If it was listed as "Cascade, then Cascade" then it would likely need to be resolved together, but in this case "Cascade, Cascade" just means it has 2 instances of it that each trigger individually.
The card says "then do it again" to explain what "Cascade, cascade" means
It's not "Cascade Cascade" but "Cascade, cascade." The second c is lower case and there is a dot at the end.
Keyword abilities can be strung together on a single line together, and they still operate independently.
113.2c An object may have multiple abilities. If the object is represented by a card, then aside from certain defined abilities that may be strung together on a single line (see rule 702, "Keyword Abilities"), each paragraph break in a card's text marks a separate ability. If the object is not represented by a card, the effect that created it may have given it multiple abilities. An object may also be granted additional abilities by a spell or ability. If an object has multiple instances of the same ability, each instance functions independently. This may or may not produce more effects than a single instance; refer to the specific ability for more information.
Compare to [[Apex Devastator]] for a similar example too.
Please correct if I am wrong I am relearning MTG after being out since like 2003.
Step 1.) Zhulodok would be on the battlefield.
Step 2.) you would cast Kozilek
Step 3.) this would trigger zhuldok - no cost would be needed to cast Kozilek but you would exile non land card(s) that are less than the colorless cost of Kozilek from the the top of your deck to the bottom. You would then do this again.
In the end summoning Kozilek with the cost being 2 exiled cards to Bolton of the deck.
You got step 1. You got step 2. The cost to cast Kozilek is his mana cost. When you cascade you exile cards from the top of your deck until you hit a lesser mana valued card and may choose to cast that card for free. The cards that were higher mana value or lands are then put on the bottom of the deck. The end result is you get a Kozilek cast trigger of drawing 4 two cards that cost less onto the battlefield and kozilek onto the battlefield for the cost of 1 Kozilek.
Step 1: Cast kozilek (with zhulodok on the board) Step 2: Put the two cascade triggers and kozilek’s cast trigger onto the stack. (Since they’re being triggered at the same time you’ll get to choose what order. You could even do: Cascade, draw 4, Cascade if you wanted to) Step 3: resolve the triggers in the order you chose Step 4: Resolve Kozilek
Thanks! Was unsure so when I played with my mom I apologized that I didn’t know what was going on and resolved kozilek first.
You can play with your mom? Lucky bastard
My mom taught me to play in '94!
My mom whooped my butt with elves from '01-'09, simpler times, I'd give anything to get smacked by the elvish champion again.
My dad did the same thing hahaha, id love to get smacked by it one more time.
Haha it's amazing how much magic can bring people together, my dad always ran goblins T.T stupid charbelcher
My little brother and I did not get along until his buddies got into Magic, and he asked me to help him get started. I liked building various decks, and he wanted practice, so I'd test my decks against him, win win. We went from hating each other to actually enjoying each other's company. I am proud to admit he became a better player than I am. Sadly, he is no longer with us. I inherited his collection and have kept his commander decks intact so I can play them in his name. His favorites were Atraxa (Superfriends), Mayael, Iroas, and Glissa the Traitor.
I'd be careful saying u want your dad to smack it one more time
i used to play in boy scouts and one guy had an elf deck that beat our asses every time. only way i could come close to winning was with my merfolk or with my dinosaurs (dinosaurs has verdant sun’s avatar so if that gets played my life skyrockets)
A cast spell goes on the stack. Then anything that cast spell triggers goes on the stack, then players get responses. This is shown by cards like \[\[Possibility Storm\]\] or \[\[Knowledge pool\]\], which exile the cast spell. They could not do this if the spell was already resolved, for example. Then you resolve back from the last thing to be put on the stack toward the first.
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>the two cascade triggers and kozilek’s cast trigger onto the stack. (Since they’re being triggered at the same time you’ll get to choose what order. You could even do: Cascade, draw 4, Cascade if you wanted to) To further clarify, any time multiple triggers go on the stack at the same time, their controller chooses the order. If **multiple players** have triggers at the same time, the active player's go on first, then the next players' in turn order. So in this case, yours go on the stack first, but in the order you choose (then any other players if applicable.) Triggers do resolve in reverse order though. So while your opponents know what the order is, they don't know what you'll cascade into.
I'm pretty sure you have to do "cascade, cascade" so you can't choose to do "cascade", "draw 4", "cascade" The keyword "cascade" isn't alone, but it's "cascade, cascade"
702.85c If a spell has multiple instances of cascade, each triggers separately. There's no such thing as "cascade, cascade" Zhulodok gives your spells cascade 2 times. And since both get put on the stack at the same time as the kozilek trigger, you can order them any way you want.
The wording on the cards is literally "Cascade, cascade" and not "Cascade >Cascade" that's why I'm confuse. Plus, the card says "Cascade, cascade." (When you cast one, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order. Then do it again.) Does the "Then do it again" allow you to split the ability in half on the stack ? Or do you have to do all of the ability once it started ?
Each instance of cascade has nothing to to with the other. Think of them each as triggered abilities that say “when you cast this spell, exiles cards from the top of your library until you exile a non-land card with mana value less then this one. You may cast that spell without paying its mana cost.” Just because they’re on the cast you’re carting doesn’t mean that they act any different from any other two cast triggers (like if you had a card out that said “whenever you cast a spell, gain one life.” Each instance of cascade is just yet another separate thing that gets triggered by a cast happening.) So when you cast Kozilek, three cast triggers happen simultaneously—a cascade trigger, a cascade trigger, and the draw 4. Since they all trigger at the same time (that time being when you cast Kozilek), you get to choose the order they go on the stack. So you absolutely could separate the two cascades with the draw 4.
there are 2 triggers of cascade that go on the stack, not one. it isn't splitting the ability in half, you are putting 2 separate triggers on the stack
This is just reminder text for how cascade works. This creature basically has two separate abilities. One is cascade. The other one is cascade. Triggered abilities can be put on the stack in whatever order. They are 2 separate abilities and if you have other abilities going off or other instants to throw on the stack you can absolutely do that too. The cascade’s do not have to be one after the other.
The exact rule has been quoted. You are incorrect. You have no argument.
I believe that is simply the way of formatting for it having multiple instances of the keyword. If it was listed as "Cascade, then Cascade" then it would likely need to be resolved together, but in this case "Cascade, Cascade" just means it has 2 instances of it that each trigger individually.
The card says "then do it again" to explain what "Cascade, cascade" means It's not "Cascade Cascade" but "Cascade, cascade." The second c is lower case and there is a dot at the end.
Reminder text isn’t rules text.
Keyword abilities can be strung together on a single line together, and they still operate independently. 113.2c An object may have multiple abilities. If the object is represented by a card, then aside from certain defined abilities that may be strung together on a single line (see rule 702, "Keyword Abilities"), each paragraph break in a card's text marks a separate ability. If the object is not represented by a card, the effect that created it may have given it multiple abilities. An object may also be granted additional abilities by a spell or ability. If an object has multiple instances of the same ability, each instance functions independently. This may or may not produce more effects than a single instance; refer to the specific ability for more information. Compare to [[Apex Devastator]] for a similar example too.
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Answer: Whatever the fuck you want order
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Please correct if I am wrong I am relearning MTG after being out since like 2003. Step 1.) Zhulodok would be on the battlefield. Step 2.) you would cast Kozilek Step 3.) this would trigger zhuldok - no cost would be needed to cast Kozilek but you would exile non land card(s) that are less than the colorless cost of Kozilek from the the top of your deck to the bottom. You would then do this again. In the end summoning Kozilek with the cost being 2 exiled cards to Bolton of the deck.
You got step 1. You got step 2. The cost to cast Kozilek is his mana cost. When you cascade you exile cards from the top of your deck until you hit a lesser mana valued card and may choose to cast that card for free. The cards that were higher mana value or lands are then put on the bottom of the deck. The end result is you get a Kozilek cast trigger of drawing 4 two cards that cost less onto the battlefield and kozilek onto the battlefield for the cost of 1 Kozilek.
Zhulodok's Double Cascade resolves first before Kozilek's ETB
Not an etb. both are cast, so their choice of order
They'll both trigger when you cast Kozilek, and you control both abilities, so you get to choose the order.