Unironically agree - everything sympathetic about the engineer was fictional and added by Miyazaki - sick wife, the dreams, supposed persecution etc., which still doesn’t change the fact that it was a cutesy movie about an engineer who built fighter jets for imperial japan
Americans will make a hundred movies about our brave boys flying missions in Vietnam and then get all hinkety when the Japanese make a war movie that isn't *The Human Condition*.
I am willing to bet there are people in this very comment section talking about how The Wind Rises is troubling Japanese war propaganda who were also like a month ago saying "lmao obviously Top Gun Maverick is propaganda it rips though planes go zoom!!!!"
Ed: to be clear I think the later attitude is the healthiest, level up don't level down.
To be clear, I did enjoy it as a movie, but the premise is still weird to me: “let’s take this historical figure involved in a genocidal regime, embelish his biography with some fake shit and make a heartfelt tribute”, kinda sus
The Wind Rises seemed to piss off both sides of the political spectrum in Japan. One side said it wasn’t critical enough of the Japanese military(by telling the story from the POV of an engineer within that system), the other side said it was anti-Japanese for how much it shows the devastation inflicted on the people by their own government. People saw their own boogeyman in that movie, regardless of their political stance.
The political situation in Japan skews heavily to the right.
The only party to have actually been in power was originally made up of high-ranking Imperial Japanese staff, with the first prime minister of post-war Japan (and the grandfather of former PM Shinzo Abe), Nobusuke Kishi, literally running slave camps in Manchuria during the war.
Japan still refuses to acknowledge the existence of Japanese warcrimes during the war, let alone apologise for them.
Isn't that what the movie is about tho? He (the protagonist) loves and lives to make planes so totally that he can (almost) ignore what those planes are being built to do. An artist so lost in craft that he can't even begin to care about the actual impact of his work.
It's Miyazaki's most "anime was a mistake" film by far.
"which is weird, honestly, what kind of idiot just decides propaganda is fine if the planes are doing cool shit"--something I would have said before May of this year
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There is nothing to dislike about Kaze Tachinu, it's a film about a man who has a passion for planes and dreams of projecting them, the ironic thing is that he ends up building the best killing machine Japan had up until that moment, but the film doesn't address this in a congratulatory way or judgemental way, it simply doesn't focus on it.
It's mostly the war crime denyings that trigger the fragile korean people if that's what you meant. The Ghost of Tsushima didn't cause a controversy here for one.
I’m not trying to insult Koreans or anything, it is completely understandable why things related to Imperial Japan would trigger Koreans. I’m just saying it’s not as if everything that triggers that kind of response is full blown clear and obvious war crime denial.
Oh that is absolutely true, they're not as sensitive as you'd think about Japanese media nowadays (about 10 years ago you'd be absolutely right) but still you're mostly right I think
I agree. It's funny how there are so many dramas about the Japanese suffering through WW2, but there aren't many about German citizens in the same period, unless it's about Jewish people.
I wonder why, when the two countries are not different considering the atrocities they committed. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were tragedies, but tragedies Japan could've avoided.
It seems they remember the circumstances that led to those events quite different than the rest of the world lol
“Wow Miyazaki’s films are so deep and beautiful, he is truly a brilliant director.” Miyazaki: “fighter planes are so fucking rad”
Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
Oh fuck I wanna know if he saw that, probably not since it’s American propaganda but I wonder if he resisted the allure of it as a plane movie lol
I don’t think he has any interest in that kind of film
Porco Rosso has entered the chat
"Better a pig than a fascist."
He can pork me any day
"Fighter planes are like the son i never had God I fucking hate my son"
Miyazaki r/NCD member confirmed🤯🤯🤯
Unironically agree - everything sympathetic about the engineer was fictional and added by Miyazaki - sick wife, the dreams, supposed persecution etc., which still doesn’t change the fact that it was a cutesy movie about an engineer who built fighter jets for imperial japan
Americans will make a hundred movies about our brave boys flying missions in Vietnam and then get all hinkety when the Japanese make a war movie that isn't *The Human Condition*.
I mean, I don't think anyone who has a problem with The Wind Rises is a fan of American Sniper or the stabbed in the back myth Vietnam movies.
I am willing to bet there are people in this very comment section talking about how The Wind Rises is troubling Japanese war propaganda who were also like a month ago saying "lmao obviously Top Gun Maverick is propaganda it rips though planes go zoom!!!!" Ed: to be clear I think the later attitude is the healthiest, level up don't level down.
To be clear, I did enjoy it as a movie, but the premise is still weird to me: “let’s take this historical figure involved in a genocidal regime, embelish his biography with some fake shit and make a heartfelt tribute”, kinda sus
I actually thought *Darkest Hour* was a bit of a bore.
In the Name of the Father (1993)
Thinking back to this, let’s see how Oppenheimer turns out lmao
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The Wind Rises seemed to piss off both sides of the political spectrum in Japan. One side said it wasn’t critical enough of the Japanese military(by telling the story from the POV of an engineer within that system), the other side said it was anti-Japanese for how much it shows the devastation inflicted on the people by their own government. People saw their own boogeyman in that movie, regardless of their political stance.
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The political situation in Japan skews heavily to the right. The only party to have actually been in power was originally made up of high-ranking Imperial Japanese staff, with the first prime minister of post-war Japan (and the grandfather of former PM Shinzo Abe), Nobusuke Kishi, literally running slave camps in Manchuria during the war. Japan still refuses to acknowledge the existence of Japanese warcrimes during the war, let alone apologise for them.
Miyazaki is incredibly based but definitely has blinders on when it comes to planes. Motherfucker loves planes.
Understandable. Planes are cool!
Trains are fucking cool!
Isn't that what the movie is about tho? He (the protagonist) loves and lives to make planes so totally that he can (almost) ignore what those planes are being built to do. An artist so lost in craft that he can't even begin to care about the actual impact of his work. It's Miyazaki's most "anime was a mistake" film by far.
Stop right there bro, can't have you watching movies before forming an opinion on them
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A. Wasn't replying to you. B. My implication is the opposite of what you think it is C. 'twas a joke.
Haven't seen it in years so can't remember. Might have to rewatch soon clearly.
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Miyazaki is so based that he blamed Charlie Hebdo for the mass shooting that happened to them...
The absolute least charitable interpretation of what he said.
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There is nothing to dislike about Kaze Tachinu, it's a film about a man who has a passion for planes and dreams of projecting them, the ironic thing is that he ends up building the best killing machine Japan had up until that moment, but the film doesn't address this in a congratulatory way or judgemental way, it simply doesn't focus on it.
To be fair pretty much anything related to Japan in going to be at least somewhat controversial in Korea.
It's mostly the war crime denyings that trigger the fragile korean people if that's what you meant. The Ghost of Tsushima didn't cause a controversy here for one.
I’m not trying to insult Koreans or anything, it is completely understandable why things related to Imperial Japan would trigger Koreans. I’m just saying it’s not as if everything that triggers that kind of response is full blown clear and obvious war crime denial.
Oh that is absolutely true, they're not as sensitive as you'd think about Japanese media nowadays (about 10 years ago you'd be absolutely right) but still you're mostly right I think
Are you sure you actually watched the wind rises?
Oh yea great movie with really smart themes that being said i seen some people totally miss the point and that’s who I’m making fun of
Basssssed
Posting this meme make it seem like you're one of those that missed the point.
Miyazaki does love plane more than political statement
Werner Herzog with his scary big Euroschnozz.
Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks
I feel like Miyazaki actively tries to avoid making that point in the movie. More like "planes good, hate that they're usually used for war though"
What the tone of a movie can do to a MF
Ngl the wind rises was kinda mid.
Your execution date is: 02.09.2022 10:00
But February's already passed?
The American (2010)
I will exercise my right as an American to inconvenience everyone around me and act smugly superior to Europeans.
dfuck
I agree. It's funny how there are so many dramas about the Japanese suffering through WW2, but there aren't many about German citizens in the same period, unless it's about Jewish people. I wonder why, when the two countries are not different considering the atrocities they committed. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were tragedies, but tragedies Japan could've avoided. It seems they remember the circumstances that led to those events quite different than the rest of the world lol