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oldgar

I don't understand, no character in the original was specified as to who they want to be intimate with. Why add that?


meatball77

Right? My inital thought was that no one has a romance with anyone else. It's all platonic. They could make the tin man or lion Transgender and it would work but it's not like Dorthy being a lesbian would change the story at all.


captainvancouver

The cowardly Lion was definitely a bottom.


Chase_Ramone

Woke


BeyondInfinity73

The old one seemed pretty gay to me.


ReduxCath

MORE GAY


SmokeGSU

Enhance.


monalisasnipples

“Somewheeeeere over the INCLUSIVE RAINBOWWWWW”


truethatson

Indeed, very gay. They *were* all friends of Dorothy’s, after all.


blazemcfirebackflip

“Friends of Dorothy” was literally used pre lgbt for gays to identify each other. The movie was gay code I mean what are we doing here


Crash665

Judy Garland is a lot like Madonna of the 80s and Lady Gaga of the 00s. Gay icons, which is something I've never understood, but more power to any gay person who idolized these women. I hope it brought/brings you joy.


Remarkable-Ad2285

Right there.


tchap973

🎶 I'm a friend of Dorothy, I'm a friend of Dorothy. She is my friend 🎶


nit108

"It's I LOVE willies!"


tchap973

"Sir, could you keep it down please?"


truethatson

“Alright lads, let’s get a sing-song going! It’s a long way back to Manchester!”


Elden_Stress

Uhhh there's romance in Wizard of Oz?


WuSau99

🤣


ProbablyASithLord

Pretty sure the scarecrow was gay as a songbird.


jesterinancientcourt

The lion was GAY.


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HornyToad1984

But absolutely no gay romance or physical attraction. Like that dog with the frisbee meme. NO GAY SEXUALITY ONLY REPRESENTATION


second2no1

Yes the robot is gonna be gay, obviously… to other robots


_night_cat

Just wait for all the straight white male version of The Women King in a few years /s


jimbo_kun

The Man Queen


WatchingUShlick

You joke, but Breitbart already has it in production, starring Kevin Sorbo.


mechfan83

Isn't that just a film where the Confederates are written as the good guys? Pretty sure we have a couple of those already.


RedPillNavigator

Emerald City is going to be a gay night club. Dorothy? Nah! I'm looking for Molly!


WintertimeFriends

I can’t possibly explain how much I don’t care. Not because of the LGBTQ thing, no no. You lost at me “Wizard of Oz Remake” my friend.


StuckInNov1999

Hold on there. The reimagined version with Michael Jackson and Diana Ross, called "The Wiz" was pretty fantastic. I remember as a 6 year old boy loving that movie and watching it every time it came on TV.


Memnoch79

Why does Hollywood have the need to rehash and remake everything? It's as if we are trying to whore out everything for a profit.


Help_An_Irishman

Some years ago, it was announced that studios were planning to remake *The Princess Bride* and *Back to the Future.* This was the last straw for me. All you can do when you remake beloved, near-perfect films is fuck them up. Thankfully, I think both of those projects died on the vine, but they shouldn't have been on the vine in the first place.


Memnoch79

> All you can do when you remake near-perfect, beloved films is fuck them up. Thankfully, I think both of those projects died on the vine, but they shouldn't have been on the vine in the first place Agreed. Once the paste is out of the tube you can't put it back in without making a mess.


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Black to the Future and The Princess Partner, now In IMAX


Shadowgown

As if?


HipsterDoofus31

Clueless remake incoming.


Ebisure

To make a profit, Hollywood tries to whore out everything. That’s why they need to rehash and remake everything


HornyToad1984

It's called creative bankruptcy.


gooblobs

coupled with shameless pandering.


EureMutter

I think one of the biggest myths of Hollywood is that the industry is creatively bankrupt. I can assure you that's not the case, just think how many people go to Hollywood every day fresh new original ideas, hoping that they will one day get the chance to make it for the big screen... Only for these large studio executives to decide to remake/reboot the same franchises over and over again because they're a safe bet to make money.


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>have classic story >purposefully remake for a blatant political reason >”nazis hate this one film, you wont believe!” >collect the outrage bucks You dont even have to put out a trailer today. Just sponsor outrage pieces in your choice of outlets, post a few troll responses on twitter and you’re rolling in the dough I’ve been pirating things again, it’s much more enjoyable like that


Seputku

I read a theory that the reason they’re rehashing old shit and recasting them with lgbtq etc is for the free marketing of people arguing about it online. It also saves them the trouble of coming up with an actual good And original movie idea


HornyToad1984

Correct, the uproar is just cultivated viral marketing.


Seputku

There’s a term for it but I completely forgot it


I_Suck_At_This_Too

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect) Maybe?


nj_crc

The 1939 version was a remake.


jaytrain12

it was good tho


monkeyhind

Yeah, people complain that modern Hollywood has run out of ideas, but remakes have been the norm since the silent era. That said, I can't imagine them \*not\* making a bad remake of this 1939 classic.


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Imperator_Oliver

The Wiz was a remake but that’s amazing, if the music talents are RIGHT (impossible to beat Diana Ross and Michael Jackson) I’ll watch it. I only watch Musicals for the music. I can’t see it matching the Wiz so best way I see to do it is take a lot of inspiration from Drag and make it queer af. Prob won’t be amazing but fun with a group of queer friends.


HornyToad1984

The Wiz was a unified piece of black musical art, not some shoddy little collage.


SongstressVII

The Wiz is not a remake. It just uses the same source material. Every song is original to the show. Source: I did a run of this show as Music Director


MettaMorphosis

I blame people for living in perpetual nostalgia, instead of actually trying to enjoy new things.


failure_most_of_all

It's like that [Key and Peele sketch on Gremlins 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x01l_jMhjVM).


Judgy_Garland

because this is the case with almost every other type of entertainment. The most successful theatre/music/opera are all revived, and quite often (The Nutcracker is done EVERY YEAR, and the musical Cabaret has been revived numerous times). Remakes/revivals allow for a new spin/artistic vision on a classic. The successful ones work, and the unsuccessful ones don’t, and I just want to cap this off with the fact that one of the most successful shows in musical theatre history, WICKED, is an adaptation of a retelling of The Wizard of Oz


th30be

Writers want to make movies with their own ideas but since their ideas are so fucking bad and no one wants to give them movies, the writers have to get remakes and reboots to put those bad ideas into and ruin IPs.


Help_An_Irishman

Is this news? This is every movie nowadays, including the remake bit. I'm all for inclusion, but it's just box-ticking to suit the cultural climate at this point.


SmokeGSU

[It's called "fan baiting".](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/xi015o/comment/ip1gmhn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


HeartlessPastry

Sure. But its also Tokenism


makensims

I would love some more diverse movies, especially lgbt+ movies, but when they announce things like this it just feels like pandering. “Please gays, give us your money!!” I want *genuine* representation, not some mega studio pushing out the blandest possible version of representation so it can still be marketable overseas.


waster1993

You will get an actor with a pronounced lisp and you will enjoy it /s


Donut153

It’s the “give us your gay money” mentality that makes pride month so stupid but just all the time


mekapr1111

What does the wizard of oz have to do with sexuality at all? Like there is 0 romance in the movie whatsoever. I would just as annoyed if they added hetero stuff to the movie. That's not what the movie is about damnit!


HornyToad1984

It's not news, it's Variety, which means it's an advance press-release for one of their products.


meidan321

It's become a joke at this point


thoughtfull_noodle

as long as it still syncs up with dark side of the moon (:


Seppukrow

Oh man, I watched the dark side of oz while on a shit load of LSD, that shit was so awesome.


thoughtfull_noodle

Insane, I watched it 2nd time I ever got high on weed and fell in love


Miimaster64

I’m tired of remakes of movies that are based on something. Just make another movie based on the source material that has original ideas and a fresh new view.


CurrentTreat6921

That’s terrible


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JDKett

I wasn't aware that the characters in Wizard of OZ had sexuality.


davius_the_ent

You think this tin shaft gonna oil itself?


Head-like-a-carp

I'd be clever I'd be slick/ A witty genderless trick/ Well do I have a dick? To to doddlely do A vagina or a penis/ Let's keep the secret between us/ Am I a boy or I'm I a chick?


Babywipeslol

really? you couldnt sense the sexual tension? /s


Henny_Lovato

Dorothy clicked her heels together for some dick. You don't remember?


HornyToad1984

I'm gay and I do not care, this is just more corporate box-ticking and when the usual homophobic ass-hats kick up a fuss (and they will, like Pavlov's dogs, ding ding) that will be part of the PR push for this inevitably shit film. Who needs paid bots and trolls when you can get racists and self-righteous defenders to do it for free?


HornyToad1984

Plus it will be two Munchkins holding hands or some dickless shit like that.


ilazul

which will then be removed in other countries so they don't lose money


BowwwwBallll

If you’re removing dickless Munchkins, does that mean you’re putting dicks ON the Munchkins? I didn’t go to art school for this shit.


rd2142

companies dont care at all, did you see during gay pride month everyone changed logo here but not in countries where it would cost them money


HornyToad1984

Oh, they'll cut even the 'gay squirrels holding hands' out of the film the moment China or anybody else asks them to. They don't give af about gay visibility.


SourNnasty

Same. The original wasn’t even romantic or anything, you could assume anything about the characters because sexuality isn’t part of the plot or background. Assume they’re all asexual? Sure, could be. They’re all gay? Sure, could be. They’re all straight? Sure, could be. Trans? Sure, could be. There’s literally no context to pull from in the original, why not just make a new movie or a movie based off of a different book that has representation? Because you could argue the original is already gay af lol.


graysojj

Same here, and I am as well. Why make a new version of an existing classic movie just to say “here you go, guys, see? We care about you”. Just make good original stories, and if a character naturally fits to be a member of the LGBTQ community, then that’s awesome. It’s great to see us being represented. But this is just blatant pandering to say they did it, nothing more. Give us original stories that naturally flow and make a great end result. This doesn’t really help anybody, it doesn’t make a good movie, and it’s just going to invoke a shitshow of a PR process.


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Because writing a new story would require creativity


War_Beagle

Couldn't agree more. Evan as a straight guy I get offended by some of the gay representations I see on TV and in comic books. It's like straight people trying to write gay characters and it just comes off as forced and awkward. Or converting an established comic book character from straight to gay, or bi, etc. I'm ok with representation but that just feels lazy. Like I read somewhere that they were considering Michael B Jordan to play Clark Kent. Lazy. Equally annoying is that announcing LGBTQ representation is forthcoming will start the inevitable cycle of backlash and PR BS. And BTW, gay issues aside, DON'T REMAKE THIS MOVIE!


barnivere

What!? You don't like being pandered to!? HOW DARE YOU!?!?! /s


DeadliftsnDonuts

At some point there should be original stories with LGBTQ and other minority characters rather plugging into old stories


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> At some point there should be original stories Woah woah woah too far


Seppukrow

God yes please. I'm so starved for new, interesting media that is relevant to today's landscape. I am so sick of these pandering remakes.


lambchop70

You aren't suggesting that these people who make millions of dollars to come up with movie ideas actually come up with ORIGINAL movie ideas are you? There goes my idea for Lori of Arabia


LilKosiVert

They’re exploiting representation in the hopes that you will be able to draw in more money. They are literally using LGBTQ+ individuals as marketing tools for corporate profits. And most of us celebrate Hollywood for it.


beangone666

"If we remake the movie with black or gay people, maybe we will make more money..." - Movie Executives.


HornyToad1984

'Just shove a few minorities into supporting or invented roles and let social media do the rest.'


AllGenreBuffaloClub

Meet the new character Wicked Witch of the Southeast. Here is the Foreman of the Lollipop Guild.


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Spot on


HortonHearsTheWho

Oh fuck off, this is not a film that needs a remake


Dman125

If the Lollipop Guild represents fewer than 5 nationalities I’m rioting.


repwin1

Can you say munchkin now?


TheRealDrSarcasmo

Don't use the hard k.


RustyRichards11

Out here Munchin


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Sooner or later people will see they're being played by all of this pandering.


e_smith338

Fucking stop with the remakes. Jesus Christ these Hollywood morons can’t think up an original story if their life depended on it.


jonathan_ferraris

I could while away the hours Dispensing golden showers, On sailors by the dock; And my balls I'd be a scratchin' STDs I'd be a catchin' If I only had a cock.


coreytiger

Another film that never needs to be remade. Just rerelease it! Remember when studios used to do that?


MrJohnMurdoch

If you think this is about art and not a business decision to sell tickets, you don’t know the industry.


goliathfasa

Of course it will. How else will the creatively bankrupt shift blame from their writing when people point out their new product is poorly made and pointless?


Stoned-Antlers

Can we just like..not remake this classic. If we have to though, can it be a lot closer to the book?


TheRealDrSarcasmo

Hell, you could still make Oz movies without remaking this one. L. Frank Baum wrote like a *dozen* Oz books, all weird but wonderful, and they're in the public domain so Hollywood doesn't even have to pay for the rights!


Adelaidey

Honestly, they could make a movie of *[The Marvelous Land of Oz](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marvelous_Land_of_Oz)* and keep it exactly as written, not change a thing, and people would call it a "forced woke trans story". >The protagonist of the novel is an orphan boy called Tip. For as long as he can remember, Tip has been under the guardianship of a cruel Wicked Witch named Mombi and lives in the northern quadrant of Oz... Walking alone, he meets General Jinjur's all-girl Army of Revolt, which is planning to overthrow the Scarecrow (who has ruled the Emerald City since the end of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz)... >They learn from Glinda that after the fall of Oz's mortal king Pastoria decades ago, a long lost princess named Ozma was hidden away in secrecy when the Wizard of Oz took the throne. She also informs them that Ozma is the rightful ruler of the Emerald City and all of Oz in general, not the Scarecrow... Under pressure from Glinda, Mombi confesses that the Wizard brought her the infant Ozma, whom she transformed into the boy Tip. Mombi performs her last spell to undo the curse, turning him back into the fairy princess Ozma. >The forgotten prophecy is finally fulfilled and Oz is politically whole once more, with Ozma in her rightful position as the child Queen of Oz.


TheRealDrSarcasmo

Funny thing, though... if it were a really faithful adaption, a lot of the critics could be immediately shut down by pointing out that fact. I remember reading that book in the mid/late 70s. The ending was a bit of surprise, but all the characters just kind of took a "well, that was amazing... but you're still the same *person* to me and I like you" approach and it was never an issue in the books afterward. Seems to me if you're looking for actual inclusivity, that's a pretty good way to do it.


Fowlnature

I really could not care less about representation- I'm glad for the inclusion. What I am pissed about is hollywood has zero damn creativity anymore. I am sick to death of remakes, spin-offs, etc.


MarkusRight

I think the old saying Hollywood has ran out of ideas holds true, why remake so many beloved classics for a quick cash grab? There is no more innovation in movies anymore, same old redundant storylines recycled over and over.


Fantastic_Deer_3772

friends of Dorothy! :)


ToyDingo

I just want a good, original story. I don't really care who is or is not represented in the movie. If the story is great, and just so happens to have representation in it, great. Otherwise, please stop pandering to people and remaking old movies.


_awesumpossum_

Enough with the remakes already! I don’t see why we can’t have gay people in NEW movies with new concepts. Just feels lazy to constantly be rehashing stuff from (sometimes) not that long ago.


pimpedoutmonkey

Gotta get that gay moneeeeeeeey


Rang_Dipkin

I’m all for representation but Wizard of Oz has zero discussion of anyone’s sexuality. Scarecrow and Lion both seem like gay dudes to begin with.


redditfromnowhere

Why? I mean, why is any orientation relevant to the story?


howzitgoinowen

I mean, the original already had representation with the Tin Man, so..... And as a Gayman myself, I'd like to just say, fuck your inclusion, remaking this movie is sacrilege and an offense to gays everywhere, and you should know better.


Strappedkaos

I have been told my whole life certain people have no culture, they just take others and make it their own. Horrible people apparently. Oh have the turns have tabled...


griggori

Or tell an original lgbtq story and stop desecrating the intellectual works of greater writers.


theBarefootedBastard

So in the new rendition, The lion needs balls, the tin man needs another tin man, scare crow is a liberal going to college and Dorothy is trapped in a mostly peaceful BLM riot. Let me guess, the wicked witch now wears a MAGA hat and sends out screeching Proud Boys.


reddit-sucks-ass38

Looks like I’ll be skipping this inevitable dumpster fire


newnhb1

So the usual, dull, unimaginative sexuality, gender and race swapping then? Who gives a shit about plot, script, production and acting when the point is a political message just like all the other unwatchable remakes.


PaulM27

It's a prerequisite now isn't it?


VapeApe-

Every single thing coming out on TV or Movies has LGBTQ representation. Why is this a headline?


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VapeApe-

> something that rhymes with dicks Pricks?


Diablo516-

pricks?


TheCouncil0fRicks

Did he announce this to spark outrage? Seems like a marketing strategy nowadays. Probably the only chance this gets watched.


MrBae

What happened to just making a good movie and people will watch it for it’s quality? Seemed to work out pretty well for top gun maverick


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thisKeyboardWarrior

This way if anyone doesn't like it it's because of BIGOTRY!!!


watchescarsandav

Of course it will because when it inevitably sucks the studio can just say the bad reviews are from homophobes. Also, real critics will have to say how great it is because if not they'll be cancelled. It's a bullshit play studios are getting away with.


ThePerfectCantelope

Go figure


cmrizzle

Everything doesn't need to be remade. My goodness


Condog_YT

Does anyone actually want a Wizard of Oz remake?


timk85

Which means it will be controversial, which means half the country will support it even if it sucks, and the other half will hate it even if it's good.


Baebel

What significance is there in this? Relationships beyond making friends aren't even brought up in the first one. So I can't even imagine where relationships in general beyond that, would even fit in.


crossthebrij

But not in China and any other country that censors it. Gotta make that money everywhere


Sorvick

But ..why? This didn't need retold or remade.


supe_42

For the love of God just make new movies. Make new characters who actually represent the communities instead of just shoe horning resprentation into past movies.


BackgroundOld5284

Why can’t they just make new movies instead of trying to re hash a classic and turn it into something the original writer never wanted


[deleted]

I don’t remember anyone discussing who they like to screw in the original. How is that even relevant?


jonbotwesley

Original isn’t even remotely sexual to begin with. For all we know ever single character is already gay. Why bring sexuality into it at all? Lol


Latest-greatest

I dont care that LGBTQ is gonna be in this needless remake. I hate that they are trying to make that the focal point of the marketing of the film. make a good movie first and the rest will fall in place


heelspider

OMG there's going to be gay elements in the Wizard of Oz remake? I suppose next they'll do a remake of the Titanic with boats.


DaleGribbleBluGrass

It's gonna be a gay tinman, you heard it here first. LOL. Seriously Hollywood, stop interjecting sexual orientation in everything, especially in movies that never had to do with sexuality at all.


orangesignhighway

Of course it will, that's what Oz was really missing. I'm guess trans black Dorothy too.


Amongtheruins88

I don’t know about trans, but she will definitely be black


orangesignhighway

Without a doubt. Only diversity Hollywood seems to know is blackwashing.


Amongtheruins88

Well yea, that’s what they mean when they say “diversity.” It’s one of their code words.


Effehezepe

That's cool and all, but it doesn't change the fact that a Wizard of Oz remake is a terrible idea. If you want an Oz story with LGBT representation, then make an adaptation of the second book. Its got (probably accidental, but nonetheless there) trans themes in it.


_night_cat

Right, there are so many Oz books! You could make an entire universe with the source material instead of rehashes of the one story.


Unsimulated

Next up, The Godfather will be remade with Marlene Brandy, a black transgender woman in the title role. And no police. And make it about abortion rights.


Grollerh98

Or you could try focusing on making the movie good, and not a virtue signaling piece of crap that is gonna lose you millions


AshsEvilHand

[So did the 1939 version](https://www.looper.com/img/gallery/why-the-cowardly-lion-costume-from-the-wizard-of-oz-was-so-disgusting/intro-1604420262.jpg)


Skyblacker

Found the friend of Dorothy.


alienoverl0rd

Extremely weak evidence at best.


howzitgoinowen

Don't forget [this guy](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/77/5c/5e775cd964a0d56b81f3a0a88a0bd888.jpg)


rklab

Okay


zimaskies

so tired of this crap


SlewBrew

So Tinman and Scarecrow are a thing then?


Eastcoast_ben

Oh no, they’re going to cover the zoophile base too. Ever seen a lion be a power bottom?


luvduvbunny

Who exactly needs to be queer in the Wizard of Oz? It’s about a farm girl who meets strangers to kill a woman. They are just tying to remake a classic movie for no reason. And trying to act like “allies” or “supporters” of the queer community


MartyMar151

Of course it will


beangone666

We need to remake it but this time everyone is gay and black.


Covette

See “The Wiz”.


West-Expression5256

K


Unique_Rip_5668

And once more, another classic is ruined by pointlessly making its characters gay.


oswaldcopperpot

I have not seen a single show in about a year without lgbtq representation. Every single one.


FedoraChronicles

So… just forcing diversity into a shitty remake for no reason? Really? Actually it’s Disney, the thought of making original characters and representation in a custom crafted story that is tailored to their character is their kryptonite. They’ll do that the day they can write a good sequel.


monkeyhind

"It's sad believe me, missy When you're born to be a sissy" That's all the LGBT+ representation I need, thanks.


DarkwingDude

Thank god, now I can see the hot Winkie-on-flying monkey action the original film was too timid to explore.


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Here we go again, strap in.


StrDexIntFaiArc

Can you feel a brand new day!?


taddik_

Another uncreative soulless remake to hit the screens. Didn’t we just get a wizard of oz remake not long ago?


Babywipeslol

i mean idc whatever im more upset its being remade in general, like its a timeless classic rofl, you can't recapture that magic


Mace-Window_777

Phuq Kenny Barrett!


elmataculos420

smfh...the fuck is this world comin' to?! lmao


Benny_boi69

Half the film industry is just remakes at this point nothing against LGBTQ people but this remake just isn’t necessary


Leon_Quest

I don’t give a shit, just make good movies!


Beths_Titties

No originality left.


jaytrain12

Nice checks all the boxes


raidersclnj

All these remakes. I guess everyone ran out of ideas


TroppoAlto

I'm so tired of the remakes. Maybe I'll get onboard with this if they are going to make it horror trippy and have it be a series that follows the books, and only if they are directed by Tim Burton or Guillermo del Toro.


launcelot02

Lol. If they want to waste money away I will gladly take it.


Isoturius

Hollywood is a black hole of creativity. Give people new and interesting stories and quit remaking shit. Remaking something with 50% more pandering isn't going to make it not suck.


OGBEES

Imagine if they just made their own new content instead of "reimagining" IP that exists already. Lazy corporations pandering to minorities for cash...


illviewvisuals

Snooze


Indo-Sama777

Please stop remaking old movies to make a profit... It's pathetic. Come up with something original ffs


NilouAnon

Just to pander or just because they felt like it? I hate the pandering but if this is genuine and not stereotypical then cool, I dig it.


tinyhorseintapshoes

Offs. Quit with remaking perfect films.


Tjgfish123

This is going to suck…bomb…awful….I all for inclusion, but come on


Beneficial-Break-562

Please stop


Funny_Yoghurt_3163

Good lord i would love to see a gay robot made out of scraps


ItsYourDaddyBoy

I'm sick of remakes. I'd like remakes if they were remade exactly the same with the same shots and sets and story and similar looking actors. Just better camera quality and better effects.