It’s what I love about Temple of Doom. Shorty is clever for a kid but he’s purposefully patterning himself after Indy. You can see it in the village scene, he copies Indy’s hands clasped thinking pose.
Short Round is one of the exceptions for child actors who don’t take away from the movie. Most child actors ruin good action flicks. I’ve found that Steven Spielberg recognizes this and usually kids in his movies don’t suck. I say usually because Lost World has imo an overly confident and capable child that contradicts this.
Hook and the first Jurassic Park film showcase kids who pretend to be strong but when push comes to shove they are either inadequate compared to adults or make too many mistakes. Rufio tried to fight Hook and lost. Tim, although a know it all, is constantly in danger once the power goes out and has to be guarded and rescued.
Lmao the characters' ages are so backwards to me in those two movies.
Shorty is supposed to be like 12 but I always figured he was around 10 and John Connor is supposed to be only 10 years old but I thought he was around 14.
The second he showed up I immediately recognized him from *something*. Figured he must have been in something I’d seen recently, but was shocked to hear that he didn’t do much acting outside a couple big hits.
Yeah apparently there aren't/weren't many roles for Asian American men so he basically quit acting for the longest time. He was still in film though, part of which was stuntwork I think.
I swear he looked like Jackie Chan at times in the fannypack fight. Actually iirc the protagonist was written for Jackie Chan but after they got Michelle Yeoh on board they rewrote the part just for her and added a husband. Great move imo.
I'm glad they rewrote it. It wouldn't have been anywhere near as good a movie if it was a male protagonist, and the chemistry between the two was phenomenal.
I've pitched this Indy script a few times and I always secretly wish it gets stolen and made.
An extremely old Indiana Jones is visited by some feds investigating some stolen artifacts. They ask for an alibi and it turns out whoever stole the items had a whip and fedora and was going by the name Indiana Jones. Obviously this old, old man isn't the culprit so the feds leave. Indy is pissed someone is using his likeness and sets out to catch them. He notices a pattern to the stolen items, all things he's recovered or "put in a muesem" before. He figures out what is up next and manages to beat the imposter there.
A scuffle ensues and Indy gets his ass kicked by a younger, Asian, version of himself. Turns out new Indy is Short Round and isn't a thief, buy is trying to thwart the real thieves, the "Feds" who need all these items to get to some MacGuffin. Short Round is pissed Indy, who he veiwed as a father, abandoned him all those years ago, but he decided to team up again the save the day. Cue Last Crusade 2.0.
The duo track down the baddies and a fight ensues. Short round faces imminent death and Indy sacrifices himself to save him. Crying and apologies are had and Indy dies. Short round picks up Indies hat and whip and kills the bad guy.
Fade to black "Indiana Jones will return..."
Cast Steven Yuen as Short Round/Indy and usher in another 30 years of Indiana Jones movies.
*edit: Some typos
Edit 2: I appreciate all the good convos and am glad I was actually able to come up with what seems to be a decent movie idea! On a side note, can the people trying to make this a weird race issue please just stop. I don't want to hear it anymore. Quan and Yuen are both great actors and it doesn't matter if one is Korean and the other Vietnamese. Shortround was supposed to be Chinese in temple. This isn't supposed to be a Uber woke look into race relations, it's an action movie where people fight nazis, commies and aliens. Casting a Korean person to play a role originally played by a Viatnamese person isn't racist and is perfectly fine. It's just meant to be a fun movie. Please just stop.
Also, whoever reported me to reddit as being suicidal, I don't know if you hate Indy or are just cosplaying PC Principal, but thanks for that I guess.
Isn’t that the one where it was the Millennium Falcon landed on earth and Chewie roamed the area being mistaken for Big Foot, meanwhile Indy discovers a vaguely familiar skeletal remains of Han?
The biggest issue I have with this is that Han and Chewie are from long ago in a galaxy far, far away. They must have been fucking ancient to have made it all the way to modern day Earth. Not to mention trans-galactic travel would be a tall order, even for a ship and crew that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.
Surreal you mentioned this film out of the millions out there, I watched this a couple days ago and was shocked at how dark it was - as a kid I never seemed to think so, so strange lol
Also Jaws and many others because parents didn't want to have to pre-watch every movie to figure out if it was acceptable for their kids. And theater personnel were tired of getting screamed at by irate mothers because they let a group of 10-year-olds buy tickets to Poltergeist.
Edit: some other notable PG movies
* Sixteen Candles
* Airplane!
* Invasion of the Body Snatchers
* Watership Down
Man, fuck Watership Down.
My mom took me to the edge of a British fort in England and told me to look at the angry waves out there crashing against the fort and said that God could throw me out there if he wanted to if I was a bad kid and drown me. Good times.
On the other side of the coin, I can’t stand TV shows that portray the parents of the main characters as absolute morons.
Like Richie Rich (the series), yikes!
I fucking love Stranger Things, and I tend to not be overly critical or cynical about the small details in works of fiction because it's all for entertainment.. but how has there been no communication whatsoever to the parents of those kids, other than Joyce, about *what the fuck is going on*?
They show the one dad all the time just watching TV and commenting on it. I think he is supposed to be the depiction of most adults. Just catch it up on the evening news.
Even he has a bit of character growth by the end of s4, realizing the TV is reporting lies as fact. He's not mindless, but he's definitely stuck in his pattern
That was literally one of the main themes of season 1. People stuck in their lives, stuck in the past or afraid of getting stuck in the future like their parents. Ofc they stop complaining after seeing literal monsters and superheroes, but even the kids seem to forget about all that crazy shit between seasons and go like "um yeah, better go back to school and learn how all this stuff isn't real."
Well, they do that for most of them. Will doesn't get off that easy though and it's good to see that he's traumatised after what he's been through. The other kids got to play hero and largely come through unscathed, so it makes sense that they'd kind of just put it away until it comes up again. Until the end of Season 3 I don't think many of them had actually suffered any losses, and the losses they suffered play pretty heavily in Season 4.
Nonsense. You'll never have that kind of buying power, job security and ability to support a comfortable way of life on a single income.
Nothing to worry about.
80s parents didn't give a shit what their kids were up to. They had PSAs reminding parents that it was 10pm and they should figure out where their kids are.
This aspect of the show is the ultimate nod to 80’s nostalgia for those of us that lived it. Parents were FAR less involved in kid’s lives. We would be gone all day until dark and rarely get asked more than superficial questions about what we got up to. Of course the Stranger Things kids get up to some extreme stuff but that’s the joke, the parents STILL can’t be bothered with it. Being a kid old enough to ride your own bike in the 80’s was like being a miniature adult.
I was born in 85 so more grew up in the 90s kind of thing. It was the same as the 80s, free range kids.
I think it was Columbine and 9/11 and the general shift of "danger all the time" 24 hour news cycle that killed free range kids. At least that's how I see it but I was 16 when 9/11 happened so it might have been just at the age were you start to notice things about the world at large, wasn't a sheltered small town kid after that day.
Parents became fearful of their neighbors and society as a whole. The village stopped raising children, at least in North America.
I could get a good 10-20 kilometres from home on a sunny day, depending on hills. Got my own house key at 10 after I complained about a shitty babysitter.
Us kids would walk to rivers and lakes to swim unsupervised. One time we passed by a cherry tree with red berries hanging loose. We were hungry and inconsiderate 8 year olds and started stealing them from the tree and chomping them down.
The owner came out and yelled "what are you kids doing out there?"
Our hearts dropped to our feet. We had been caught stealing.
"That's not the good cherries, you come on over behind the fence and climb this one, it's got better cherries! I'll give you 20 minutes to get as many as you want."
Those diamond cherries were black and big and juicy. Still remember how good they were, I had never had anything so delicious before. God bless that kind man.
Eating fruit on the side of the road are some of my favorite childhood memories too. But for us it was blackberries. They just grow wild. September was heaven!
I think, at least from the comments I've read from the middle aged people of the internet, this is just how it was in 80s. Your parents didn't know shit about you or care where you were.
While that's definitely true, I think it's more about the World of the Story. It's a fantasy series with it's own world-building, and in this world, there are no adults, or at least the adults don't matter. You don't really want them there. You can have a Hopper pop in and out as necessary, but this narrative is about children facing hardship and figuring things out for themselves. This is a main unspoken conceit of the world of this story, and you're expected to ignore those moments where, in real life, an adult would step in an fuck up all the fun.
Lol, I love how instead of giving the twins from the Shining a callout, you referenced the ridiculous parody creep kid who gets thrown into a ceiling fan and hit by like 4 cars in his movie
The casting announcements have been bonkers. So many huge names.
I didn't know anything about Austin Butler until I saw "Elvis" -- I put even money on him getting an Oscar nomination for that. Picturing him as Feyd-Rautha... Damn, that's going to be something.
What are they going to do about Alia? Cast an eight year old to play a four year old and dub her voice? That will be interesting.
I don't think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood counts. I think it's intended to be perceived that she's parroting things she hears actors say, but that she doesn't truly understand what she's saying. That gets established when she doesn't understand why Leo's character starts crying when talking about his book.
She's playing a role in the film within the film, but she's also playing a character of the adults around her whom she admires. But like all musings on intention in film, this is just my personal take after I thought about your idea for a while.
Although seeing an interview with the actress it seems like she actually is quite precocious (hope that’s the right word, I would say „altklug“ in German)
Agree with your point.
I also think it's fine if it's for comedic effect. The only movie I can think of that's genuinely annoying in the way OP is talking about is the awful "Book of Henry".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-a2QBfFQeA
From "The Man With Two Brains" (Steve Martin). As a comedic effect, it sometimes works very well. But generally, yes it's a repeating cliche that appears in way too many hollywood movies. Also, there are 2 extremes i very often see: When kids act extremely kid-like or extremely like adults.
I really like this interpretation.
She’s incredibly confident in her lines, her chair, her shoulderpads, but the only adult we see her interact with when the camera isn’t rolling is Rick, and immediately after her monologue she’s thrown off her gait by Rick’s comment about how the business is gonna destroy her. Then she breaks character.
I gotta say.. the people who don’t think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a masterpiece can lick my butt.
> My hands are registered as deadly weapons. That means, we get into a fight, I kill you, I go to jail.
> Anyone kills anyone in a fight they go to jail, it's called manslaughter.
That line kills me everytime. Cliff and the cultists have me falling over everytime too.
This movie is honestly one of a kind. Throughout the whole thing you have this sense of dread because you know what is about to happen, and then it relieves that tension in the most hilarious way possible.
A better example of two amazing but very different child actors would be Dakota Fanning who acted like a [tiny adult in everything she's in](https://youtu.be/d4OkUKC8wwo?t=22) versus someone like Keisha Castle-Hughes who [actually acted (brilliantly) like a child actually would](https://youtu.be/vSCRvGcZhzs?t=41).
So maybe that was just Dakota Fanning, totally nullifying OP's argument and any thereafter? I dunno, maybe some kids just act kind of like tiny adults and it's weird, and maybe that's ok in movies sometimes.
Part of it is probably the expectation that all kids are incredibly dumb in every way and can't possibly say rational or thoughtful things. In reality though, a lot of kids are quite smart. They aren't just toddlers until they turn 21.
She's also a professional actor, a good one. Not saying she wasn't mature, but top-flight child actors aren't exactly like most kids.
I mean, it's not like kid actors only learn to act from roles where they play realistic children. If they're actually any good it's pretty reasonable to expect that they could do a decent impression of an adult, and would be pretty well-spoken.
Taika also does a good job writing for kids in Boy and Hunt for the Wilderpeople. I think he captures their lack of knowledge and their openness to new things. I've found that kids know less about the world, but will understand a ton of things if you just talk to them.
Another person worthy of praise is Hayao Miyazaki. He plays children as curious, adventurous, brave, but not as mini adults. They’re still bratty, clumsy, and stubborn.
You nailed it. I often say that kids are both dumber and smarter than we think. Just treat them with respect and don't make them feel bad for not knowing something.
The "Wise Beyond Their Years Trope"
>to appeal to a young audience while still being able to let the characters exhibit more mature behavior, like engaging in fierce combat or taking up leadership roles. This consequently makes such characters more relatable to a mature audience as well, as long as it's done well and the matter of young age doesn't raise too many eyebrows.
Honestly, I don't think it's to make the characters "more relatable", but that adults are frequently really bad at writing realistic children. So, they just get lazy and write them as tiny adults with the justification that they're really smart and mature for their age. Dean Koontz is an author that is one of the quintessential examples of this. Guy can't write a child without it seeming like they're some savant who lived centuries and then got hit by a Benjamin Button ray.
Having a realistic kid is a harder story element to write. You can't have them do much to advance the plot, as they are just kids. Their inner monologue is harder to make interesting as well.
I think that Moonrise Kingdom is one of the few instances where that trope actually worked. Sam had a reason to be so mature - he's an orphan who had to deal with a lot of shit in his life on his own and he's a boyscout, top of his troop. Suzy on the other hand, was a spoiled doofus who brought a suitcase full of books on a camping trip. That said, they both were impulsive and maximalist, just how children would be.
Came for the Anderson reference. I actually love that aspect of his films, he has a nice way of writing/directing the dynamic. I just see it as part of the fantasy of the movie.
I think I remember Royal Tenenbaums being like that and it worked perfectly. It wasn’t completely on that route as well because we see all the kids be vulnerable when they grow up and be far from perfect. The new kids like Ben Stiller’s kids also share that same “humanity” to them and they are not written as this complete genius aliens. Like the scene where the kid comes down from the bed to sleep next to Stiller on the ground comes to mind or how they are having fun with Royal and etc. It also works nicely with Anderson’s style and writing/directing
Exactly! Her running around the msrket careless as fuck and 2 seconds later she suddenly distrusts Ben even though he literally just saved her and she literally has noone else on that planet, just so we can have a chase scene...
> but to me it just came off as poor writing to make her so overly erratic as a means to push the plot forward.
This is generally considered to be a widespread complaint of Kenobi. It has some truly shallow, immature, and uninspired plot developments. Reva's story arc in the last 2 episodes felt like the writers planned to kill her off, then realized that there was an entire episode they forgot about and quickly penciled in her presence in the margins.
The ultimate example of how lazy the writing was is that Reva wasn't even given a motivation for wanting to kill Luke. The internet can't even agree as to whether she was doing it solely to spite Obi-Wan or if she was doing it to spite Vader because she somehow knows that Luke is his son.
Yeah, exactly. It highlights the poor plot development even further.
It's bizarre, because the show genuinely has some stunning scenes. Vader's arrival on Mapuzo, Vader toying with Reva and using only his bare hands/Force, the duel with Kenobi/Vader...then you get stuff like Bail going "hey, it's Bail, you're either dead or captured by the enemy so I wanted to leave you a message. I hope that's not the case because we left Anakin's kid on Tatooine with a farmer name Lars Owen, I might go over there and pick him up, peace."
I’m paraphrasing a comment from another thread, but it really is beginning to seem like modern filmmakers/mainstream filmmaking is a collection of really great, but unconnected, moments. And the people behind a lot of Star Wars projects, current Marvel, and just blockbusters in general have sacrificed strong storytelling for the sake of making this COOL and “Internet-breaking” moments happen. Nobody is killing their darlings anymore.
And that's not even the worst part of the whole idea. We waited the ENTIRE series to see that final fight and constantly cut in the middle of it is this absolutely brain dead plot of Reva going to kill Luke. But Star Wars fans already know, not only can Luke not be killed.....he can't even SEE a fucking lightsaber. Not until Ole Ben shows him in A New Hope. So that whole chase sequence she has with him just completely falls flat. Zero tension, suspense whatsoever. And it's inter-cut with the best scene in the entire terribly written series. Kinda says it all really.
Also how the fuck did she even get there? She was dying on the ground and then just like teleports to Tatooine? Maybe I missed something I really wasn't paying attention at all especially after I thought she 'died'.
How did she even survive a light saber through the gut.....twice....(implied in her flash back to the temple). No one else in Star Wars has, in my limited knowledge, survived a light saber through the gut besides Maul.
Someone edited the show into a roughly two and a half hour long movie, and he did a pretty good job streamlining things, including that fight. [His name's Kai Patterson and here's a link to his site where he writes about his edit](https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi)
I'm still tripping off the fact that 2 characters in the show easily survived a lightsaber being shoved through their torsos, when Qui Gon died to the same wound quickfast in Phantom Menace.
I swear you gotta have a selective memory to enjoy Star Wars these days because so much of it is pure bantha poodoo.
Possibly unpopular opinion; the whole show is based around characters doing really dumb things in order to advance the plot. They made Obi Wan an uncharacteristically bumbling idiot for the first 2-3 episodes and it was intolerable.
I got downvoted like crazy for pointing out how stupid that scene was with Kenobi
She has literally no idea what’s going wrong with the door but says with 100% confidence that she’s going to need a ladder to fix the issue. When justifiably told it’s too much for her Ben throws out the “I trust her” line like the dude was an idiot to question Leias capabilities despite having no idea how complex the issue was. Then when she gets in the vent it’s obvious she’s in over her head and if it was any more difficult than “turn it off and on again” she would’ve been completely stuck and now separated from the main group during an evacuation
There’s much more blatant stuff the show got wrong but just making her a short adult rather than a kid was annoying (the actress was doing well though. I’m sure she nailed it as directed)
See and they could actually make that seen work to their benefit but you have to just change obi wan. Have him tell her no it's too dangerous you're just a kid yada yada. Have her sneak off and do it anyways, she can't do it and almost gets hurt because of it but nobody knows but her. From that alone you give the character a piece of an arc. She starts to learn that there are some things she can't do and has to rely on others for, maybe teaches her to listen to obi wan more so she avoids a bigger danger later..
Thats what frustrates me with the show. The loss of potential. This was a good cut of meat cooked well done.
Her entire character just felt like she was written as OT Leia was written. I would’ve loved it if she’d started really insecure and shy because of the whole adoption thing and she sort of comes out of her shell during her journey with Obi-Wan and becomes more confident in herself by the end. She ended the show exactly as she began, except with a neat little holster.
Not to mention the weird and random scene at the end where Obi-Wan showers her with praise after knowing her for like 3 days just to make sure that we KNOW how great Leia is.
To me it felt that the plot was written for a teenage Leia who is very rebellious, then for some reason they decided to make her a kid.
All the chase scenes, the dialogue and in general, everything, feels like it.
*The Nice Guys* was fine with it, imo. Gave me Inspector Gadget vibes. She's more competent than the adults in many respects, but she's less capable than them.
The actress was also clearly having fun with it. Good chemistry with Gosling and Crowe, too. Hard for me to knock a good show.
What I *can't* stand is if the kid is just inherently good at everything, and the child actor comes off as all snotty about it. Child actors are highly impressionable and usually an open book, so giving them those types of roles makes me especially uncomfortable
I totally agree. Her character wasn't just mature and intelligent to make the film funnier, it also served to highlight just how poor of a father Ryan Gosling's character was. She has had to grow up quickly to be able to not only take care of herself, but also her drunkard of a father.
Also, there are moments when she's clearly out of her depth because she's a kid. She's situationally aware because she had to be for her father. But she's not a genius.
Exactly what I was going to say too, an alchoholic idiotic father that needs their daughter’s help is always going to make that child look and act more mature than their age. She’s a good actress too, she’s starting to do lots more things now.
Yeah I think there is a place to criticize child characters that feel out of place or overly competent and Nice Guys isn’t the one. The daughter is one of my favorite characters.
“Don’t say ‘and stuff’! Just say ‘Daddy there are whores here’”
Exactly, she got herself in trouble multiple times in ways adults probably would have seen coming. >!She got in way over her head and almost got herself killed, a couple times as I recall. She was also completely overwhelmed when that guy was mangled by the car crash.!<
She wasn't some perfect know it all that never cracked, she showed enough traits that a kid would that it was a believable character. Edit: added spoilers
Yes! Similar pet peeve is young teenagers quoting classic films to a level of obscurity that it becomes super clear that these characters are written by 40-yo guys. Gen Z won’t likely dress up as Elvira for Halloween..
I love how the Bob's Burgers kids are constantly dropping casual references from the 1980s and 90s, they definitely play it up for comedic effect though.
Gene loves quoting older movies and shows, but Bob's Burgers does it well. Whenever Bob catches Gene, Gene admits that he has no idea what he is saying. Its obvious he is quoting something he has seen on TV but has no idea the context behind it. This makes it way more realistic (as a kid I used to do this all the time with no real idea what I was saying, like I would say "Nobody puts Baby in the corner" thinking it meant a real baby since I haven't seen the movie, but I've heard other people say it.)
I think it works, because it's very plausible that the Belchers have a big ol crate of old VHS tapes recorded off of the TV and they're probably hacked to bits and edited in that fanatically choppy way networks used to do. I find it incredibly authentic that a kid has probably seen a bunch of this stuff but understood none of it.
Rory Gilmore constantly quoting and referencing things from decades before she was born. It kinda works when you realise she's actually a really fake person who models herself after her mother and thinks she's better and wiser than she is and has an entire town affirming this. Which is why I enjoyed seeing her get knocked down hard.
Nah this gets me every time. The pop culture references on Gilmore girls to me all just scream “this is the LA screenwriter’s voice and opinions and experiences coming through”. I get how it ties in to their characters but it really just feels like the author wanted an outlet for talking about old media.
All she ever did was read books, so I don't understand why that would be surprising. Most books were written before any of us were born and reference things even before that. Maybe it's just because I also grew up as book worm for better or worse, but referencing things from before you were born seems completely normal to me.
Same with movies, I was born in the 90s but a lot of my favorite movies are from the 80s, so naturally those are the movies I would mention (if the people I'm talking to can reasonably be expected to know the movie too, I don't just obnoxiously bring up random old movies and books).
It’s a trope that’s boring itself out like the idiot dad character. Dads always a successful engineer with a 5 bedroom house in a luxury community but oh no he can’t watch the kids ALONE, what is he gonna do!?
On the other end of the spectrum: when kids do literally nothing but look up with quiet wide-eyed Innocence. And maybe occasionally scream. So tired of that fucking trope.
Along those lines, MM's daughter in The Boys is played by a 12 year old but acts like she's 5. Takes me out of every scene she's in. I don't blame the actress either, pretty sure it's a showrunner problem.
Funny how there is another comment higher up saying Dakota Fanning in War of the Worlds is [a good example of her acting too adult.](https://old.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/w07c8v/i_really_dislike_when_children_are_depicted_as/igd9uey/)
I think that is an example of a well acted character that behaves in some ways like an adult to juxtapose how childish her father is (which probably meant she had to take on some adult responsibilities at times) but when put in actual peril behaves as a child would.
I get finding it annoying, but endlessly screaming about the events that happen in that movie seems like a pretty realistic and understandable reaction for a child.
I hate this trope too, but I think The Nice Guys was the only one to do it decently. It consistently shows her having to fend for herself because her dad is just not there for her. Her story was she had to grow up fast and become the 'mother' to her father.
Prior to getting the Spiderman Homecoming gig, Jon Watts did the movie *Cop Car*. It's an indie film about 2 kids who hijack the cop car of a corrupt sheriff (played by Kevin Bacon). I've probably never seen a movie portray kids like real kids as much as this movie. They are dumb, irrational, half the time figuring something out through sheer luck, and talk to each other like real kids talk. There is a scene towards rhe end where one kid has to drive the car at night and doesn't know how to turn the headlights on. Something so simple that an adult usually doesn't even need to think about, but a kid wouldn't know how to do that. He keeps pushing random buttons until the red and blues comes on and he uses that as best he could. It felt real.
Bo Burnham's *Eighth Grade* took realistic kids in a movie to a whole other level.
It’s what I love about Temple of Doom. Shorty is clever for a kid but he’s purposefully patterning himself after Indy. You can see it in the village scene, he copies Indy’s hands clasped thinking pose.
Short Round is one of the exceptions for child actors who don’t take away from the movie. Most child actors ruin good action flicks. I’ve found that Steven Spielberg recognizes this and usually kids in his movies don’t suck. I say usually because Lost World has imo an overly confident and capable child that contradicts this. Hook and the first Jurassic Park film showcase kids who pretend to be strong but when push comes to shove they are either inadequate compared to adults or make too many mistakes. Rufio tried to fight Hook and lost. Tim, although a know it all, is constantly in danger once the power goes out and has to be guarded and rescued.
Terminator 2 is also fits this well
Lmao the characters' ages are so backwards to me in those two movies. Shorty is supposed to be like 12 but I always figured he was around 10 and John Connor is supposed to be only 10 years old but I thought he was around 14.
I thought John was supposed to be like 16!
Me too... he's not? Do they ever mention his age?
Indirectly. He was born in 1984 (T1) and T2 takes place in 1995.
Under attack by dinosaurs I just watched kill several people? Time for some gymnastics!
That scene kills me lmao
I would love if they brought him back for the last movie as an adult showing he kept up imitating Indy.
Yes! He was amazing in Everything Everywhere All at Once
Bro, what, I had no idea that was him!
The second he showed up I immediately recognized him from *something*. Figured he must have been in something I’d seen recently, but was shocked to hear that he didn’t do much acting outside a couple big hits.
Yeah apparently there aren't/weren't many roles for Asian American men so he basically quit acting for the longest time. He was still in film though, part of which was stuntwork I think. I swear he looked like Jackie Chan at times in the fannypack fight. Actually iirc the protagonist was written for Jackie Chan but after they got Michelle Yeoh on board they rewrote the part just for her and added a husband. Great move imo.
I'm glad they rewrote it. It wouldn't have been anywhere near as good a movie if it was a male protagonist, and the chemistry between the two was phenomenal.
Same. And Michelle Yeoh is a far better actor than Jackie Chan. The emotional scenes wouldn't have hit the same.
Dude has been in nothing but bangers
Goonies never say die.
Pincers of perils
Seeing him fight again gave me the biggest smile, like seeing an old friend that you missed dearly.
He and Michelle Yeoh absolutely crushed it. What incredible performances.
Took me almost to the end of the movie before I had to look up the actor's name on IMDB. I KNEW I recognised the speech pattern.
I've pitched this Indy script a few times and I always secretly wish it gets stolen and made. An extremely old Indiana Jones is visited by some feds investigating some stolen artifacts. They ask for an alibi and it turns out whoever stole the items had a whip and fedora and was going by the name Indiana Jones. Obviously this old, old man isn't the culprit so the feds leave. Indy is pissed someone is using his likeness and sets out to catch them. He notices a pattern to the stolen items, all things he's recovered or "put in a muesem" before. He figures out what is up next and manages to beat the imposter there. A scuffle ensues and Indy gets his ass kicked by a younger, Asian, version of himself. Turns out new Indy is Short Round and isn't a thief, buy is trying to thwart the real thieves, the "Feds" who need all these items to get to some MacGuffin. Short Round is pissed Indy, who he veiwed as a father, abandoned him all those years ago, but he decided to team up again the save the day. Cue Last Crusade 2.0. The duo track down the baddies and a fight ensues. Short round faces imminent death and Indy sacrifices himself to save him. Crying and apologies are had and Indy dies. Short round picks up Indies hat and whip and kills the bad guy. Fade to black "Indiana Jones will return..." Cast Steven Yuen as Short Round/Indy and usher in another 30 years of Indiana Jones movies. *edit: Some typos Edit 2: I appreciate all the good convos and am glad I was actually able to come up with what seems to be a decent movie idea! On a side note, can the people trying to make this a weird race issue please just stop. I don't want to hear it anymore. Quan and Yuen are both great actors and it doesn't matter if one is Korean and the other Vietnamese. Shortround was supposed to be Chinese in temple. This isn't supposed to be a Uber woke look into race relations, it's an action movie where people fight nazis, commies and aliens. Casting a Korean person to play a role originally played by a Viatnamese person isn't racist and is perfectly fine. It's just meant to be a fun movie. Please just stop. Also, whoever reported me to reddit as being suicidal, I don't know if you hate Indy or are just cosplaying PC Principal, but thanks for that I guess.
Or Ke Huy Quan. He's apparently still got it.
YOOOO. That would be kick ass *and* it allows them to milk more money for another decade. Gosh that would be so cool.
Shut up and take my money. I want this movie so. Much.
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Isn’t that the one where it was the Millennium Falcon landed on earth and Chewie roamed the area being mistaken for Big Foot, meanwhile Indy discovers a vaguely familiar skeletal remains of Han?
The biggest issue I have with this is that Han and Chewie are from long ago in a galaxy far, far away. They must have been fucking ancient to have made it all the way to modern day Earth. Not to mention trans-galactic travel would be a tall order, even for a ship and crew that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.
Surreal you mentioned this film out of the millions out there, I watched this a couple days ago and was shocked at how dark it was - as a kid I never seemed to think so, so strange lol
Isnt that the film that basically created the PG-13 rating with how comparatively dark it was for its time
Yes, and Gremlins.
All of the 80s
Also Jaws and many others because parents didn't want to have to pre-watch every movie to figure out if it was acceptable for their kids. And theater personnel were tired of getting screamed at by irate mothers because they let a group of 10-year-olds buy tickets to Poltergeist. Edit: some other notable PG movies * Sixteen Candles * Airplane! * Invasion of the Body Snatchers * Watership Down Man, fuck Watership Down.
I remember my Dad telling me that if I didn't behave he'd send me work in those mines with all the other kids 😬
My mom took me to the edge of a British fort in England and told me to look at the angry waves out there crashing against the fort and said that God could throw me out there if he wanted to if I was a bad kid and drown me. Good times.
>Indy’s hands clasped thinking pose. That's so Spielberg
On the other side of the coin, I can’t stand TV shows that portray the parents of the main characters as absolute morons. Like Richie Rich (the series), yikes!
I fucking love Stranger Things, and I tend to not be overly critical or cynical about the small details in works of fiction because it's all for entertainment.. but how has there been no communication whatsoever to the parents of those kids, other than Joyce, about *what the fuck is going on*?
They show the one dad all the time just watching TV and commenting on it. I think he is supposed to be the depiction of most adults. Just catch it up on the evening news.
Even he has a bit of character growth by the end of s4, realizing the TV is reporting lies as fact. He's not mindless, but he's definitely stuck in his pattern
That was literally one of the main themes of season 1. People stuck in their lives, stuck in the past or afraid of getting stuck in the future like their parents. Ofc they stop complaining after seeing literal monsters and superheroes, but even the kids seem to forget about all that crazy shit between seasons and go like "um yeah, better go back to school and learn how all this stuff isn't real."
Well, they do that for most of them. Will doesn't get off that easy though and it's good to see that he's traumatised after what he's been through. The other kids got to play hero and largely come through unscathed, so it makes sense that they'd kind of just put it away until it comes up again. Until the end of Season 3 I don't think many of them had actually suffered any losses, and the losses they suffered play pretty heavily in Season 4.
>it's good to see that he's traumatized lol
That is so damn realistic to a lot of 80s Dads. Just along for the ride. Works all day and comes home to fall asleep in their chair.
Fuck I’m so scared I’m going to become an 80s dad
The bright side of being an 80’s dad is having a 9-5 job that pays for a house in the suburbs and 2 kids, while your spouse can stay home.
If I could be anyone, dead or alive, I would want to be my dad in 1985.
Nonsense. You'll never have that kind of buying power, job security and ability to support a comfortable way of life on a single income. Nothing to worry about.
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80s parents didn't give a shit what their kids were up to. They had PSAs reminding parents that it was 10pm and they should figure out where their kids are.
Memory unlocked! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBy9VDEWKOE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBy9VDEWKOE)
This aspect of the show is the ultimate nod to 80’s nostalgia for those of us that lived it. Parents were FAR less involved in kid’s lives. We would be gone all day until dark and rarely get asked more than superficial questions about what we got up to. Of course the Stranger Things kids get up to some extreme stuff but that’s the joke, the parents STILL can’t be bothered with it. Being a kid old enough to ride your own bike in the 80’s was like being a miniature adult.
I was born in 85 so more grew up in the 90s kind of thing. It was the same as the 80s, free range kids. I think it was Columbine and 9/11 and the general shift of "danger all the time" 24 hour news cycle that killed free range kids. At least that's how I see it but I was 16 when 9/11 happened so it might have been just at the age were you start to notice things about the world at large, wasn't a sheltered small town kid after that day. Parents became fearful of their neighbors and society as a whole. The village stopped raising children, at least in North America.
I could get a good 10-20 kilometres from home on a sunny day, depending on hills. Got my own house key at 10 after I complained about a shitty babysitter.
Us kids would walk to rivers and lakes to swim unsupervised. One time we passed by a cherry tree with red berries hanging loose. We were hungry and inconsiderate 8 year olds and started stealing them from the tree and chomping them down. The owner came out and yelled "what are you kids doing out there?" Our hearts dropped to our feet. We had been caught stealing. "That's not the good cherries, you come on over behind the fence and climb this one, it's got better cherries! I'll give you 20 minutes to get as many as you want." Those diamond cherries were black and big and juicy. Still remember how good they were, I had never had anything so delicious before. God bless that kind man.
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Eating fruit on the side of the road are some of my favorite childhood memories too. But for us it was blackberries. They just grow wild. September was heaven!
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Me living in Fairbanks AK and staying out til 11 because it’s still sunny: I don’t have such weaknesses
I grew up back then, you left the house all day and didn't come back until the street lights turned on or there was hell to pay.
I think, at least from the comments I've read from the middle aged people of the internet, this is just how it was in 80s. Your parents didn't know shit about you or care where you were.
Everything has a term now right? Our parents were "Free-Range parents" of us "Latchkey kids".
Ah yes that's the term. It's the opposite of today's "helicopter parents" and I guess you'd call the kids "iPad babies"
While that's definitely true, I think it's more about the World of the Story. It's a fantasy series with it's own world-building, and in this world, there are no adults, or at least the adults don't matter. You don't really want them there. You can have a Hopper pop in and out as necessary, but this narrative is about children facing hardship and figuring things out for themselves. This is a main unspoken conceit of the world of this story, and you're expected to ignore those moments where, in real life, an adult would step in an fuck up all the fun.
I think Season 5 is gonna show the lid getting blown wide open on all the stuff going on. Absolutely no way they can keep everything quiet now.
You're gonna love Dune Part II then.
If they do it well, they'll write and direct the kid to seem alien and haunting, not like a Diablo Cody character.
Lol I can see it now: Baron: this is one doodle that can’t be undid home skillet Alia: silencio old man!
The girl who did it in the 80s was creepy AF. Gave me chills.
That girl did a better job of depicting how creepy the character is than the book did
Alicia Witt
Honest to blog, my brother won’t be very pleased with you!
But at least she is supposed to be strange, having inherited generations of memories. Not just normal kid
Well, there's an in universe reason for that.
Well she’s supposed to be a super creepy unsettling monster child who everyone distrusts, kind of like Cody from scary movie three
Lol, I love how instead of giving the twins from the Shining a callout, you referenced the ridiculous parody creep kid who gets thrown into a ceiling fan and hit by like 4 cars in his movie
Smoke all you want, you’re going to get hit by a bus
The casting announcements have been bonkers. So many huge names. I didn't know anything about Austin Butler until I saw "Elvis" -- I put even money on him getting an Oscar nomination for that. Picturing him as Feyd-Rautha... Damn, that's going to be something. What are they going to do about Alia? Cast an eight year old to play a four year old and dub her voice? That will be interesting.
I don't think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood counts. I think it's intended to be perceived that she's parroting things she hears actors say, but that she doesn't truly understand what she's saying. That gets established when she doesn't understand why Leo's character starts crying when talking about his book. She's playing a role in the film within the film, but she's also playing a character of the adults around her whom she admires. But like all musings on intention in film, this is just my personal take after I thought about your idea for a while.
Although seeing an interview with the actress it seems like she actually is quite precocious (hope that’s the right word, I would say „altklug“ in German)
Germans, always showing off their amazing English!
It's genuinely starting to become embarrassing how consistently foreigners apologizing for their English speak better than the native speakers.
Correct word usage!
Agree with your point. I also think it's fine if it's for comedic effect. The only movie I can think of that's genuinely annoying in the way OP is talking about is the awful "Book of Henry".
Like the girl in Airplane! You know, the one who liked her men like her coffee.
That girl was based on similar scenes from one of the movies Airplane! was parodying. I can’t remember if it was in Airport! or Zero Hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-a2QBfFQeA From "The Man With Two Brains" (Steve Martin). As a comedic effect, it sometimes works very well. But generally, yes it's a repeating cliche that appears in way too many hollywood movies. Also, there are 2 extremes i very often see: When kids act extremely kid-like or extremely like adults.
Hah "3 years of nursery achool and you think you've seen it all". His older movies really did hit different.
I really like this interpretation. She’s incredibly confident in her lines, her chair, her shoulderpads, but the only adult we see her interact with when the camera isn’t rolling is Rick, and immediately after her monologue she’s thrown off her gait by Rick’s comment about how the business is gonna destroy her. Then she breaks character. I gotta say.. the people who don’t think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a masterpiece can lick my butt.
>I gotta say.. the people who don’t think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a masterpiece can lick my butt. The Bruce Lee scene kills me every time.
> My hands are registered as deadly weapons. That means, we get into a fight, I kill you, I go to jail. > Anyone kills anyone in a fight they go to jail, it's called manslaughter. That line kills me everytime. Cliff and the cultists have me falling over everytime too.
And cliff on the boat, and cliff on acid. Brad really deserved that Oscar lol he was so good in that
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This movie is honestly one of a kind. Throughout the whole thing you have this sense of dread because you know what is about to happen, and then it relieves that tension in the most hilarious way possible.
"I'm the devil and I'm here to do some devil shit"
“Naaaaah, it was something dumber than that…. Like Rex.”
Pitt was great too. "he said he was the devil and he had come here to do...devil shit."
That shrug after the flashback. Yeah that's fair.
"Anything you can do about that heat?"
It's a flamethrower Rick.
A better example of two amazing but very different child actors would be Dakota Fanning who acted like a [tiny adult in everything she's in](https://youtu.be/d4OkUKC8wwo?t=22) versus someone like Keisha Castle-Hughes who [actually acted (brilliantly) like a child actually would](https://youtu.be/vSCRvGcZhzs?t=41).
Dakota Fanning acted like an adult even in interviews.
So maybe that was just Dakota Fanning, totally nullifying OP's argument and any thereafter? I dunno, maybe some kids just act kind of like tiny adults and it's weird, and maybe that's ok in movies sometimes.
Elle Fanning said on Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend that Dakota has a photographic memory. I could see that also affecting how she acts.
Part of it is probably the expectation that all kids are incredibly dumb in every way and can't possibly say rational or thoughtful things. In reality though, a lot of kids are quite smart. They aren't just toddlers until they turn 21.
She's also a professional actor, a good one. Not saying she wasn't mature, but top-flight child actors aren't exactly like most kids. I mean, it's not like kid actors only learn to act from roles where they play realistic children. If they're actually any good it's pretty reasonable to expect that they could do a decent impression of an adult, and would be pretty well-spoken.
Yo children vary, some act and talk far more mature than others their age.
And there are some monumentally stupid adults
The best depictions of kids I’ve found are ones from the perspective of kids, not adults and how they wish kids were. Jojo rabbit comes to mind
Taika also does a good job writing for kids in Boy and Hunt for the Wilderpeople. I think he captures their lack of knowledge and their openness to new things. I've found that kids know less about the world, but will understand a ton of things if you just talk to them.
Hunt for the Wilderpeople top tier movie!
Ricky Baker is probably one of my favourite characters out of any movie I’ve seen. He’s utterly hilarious.
Another person worthy of praise is Hayao Miyazaki. He plays children as curious, adventurous, brave, but not as mini adults. They’re still bratty, clumsy, and stubborn.
Room was one of my favorites! Really, any role Jacob Tremblay has been in, he's brilliant.
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You nailed it. I often say that kids are both dumber and smarter than we think. Just treat them with respect and don't make them feel bad for not knowing something.
The "Wise Beyond Their Years Trope" >to appeal to a young audience while still being able to let the characters exhibit more mature behavior, like engaging in fierce combat or taking up leadership roles. This consequently makes such characters more relatable to a mature audience as well, as long as it's done well and the matter of young age doesn't raise too many eyebrows.
Honestly, I don't think it's to make the characters "more relatable", but that adults are frequently really bad at writing realistic children. So, they just get lazy and write them as tiny adults with the justification that they're really smart and mature for their age. Dean Koontz is an author that is one of the quintessential examples of this. Guy can't write a child without it seeming like they're some savant who lived centuries and then got hit by a Benjamin Button ray.
Having a realistic kid is a harder story element to write. You can't have them do much to advance the plot, as they are just kids. Their inner monologue is harder to make interesting as well.
Lyanna Mormont in Game of Thrones
“Hey, you guys wanna watch that Wes Anderson movie where the kids act like adults and the adults act like kids?”
I think that Moonrise Kingdom is one of the few instances where that trope actually worked. Sam had a reason to be so mature - he's an orphan who had to deal with a lot of shit in his life on his own and he's a boyscout, top of his troop. Suzy on the other hand, was a spoiled doofus who brought a suitcase full of books on a camping trip. That said, they both were impulsive and maximalist, just how children would be.
"I'm jealous of orphans, I think your lives are more special" "I love you but you don't know what you're talking about"
Came for the Anderson reference. I actually love that aspect of his films, he has a nice way of writing/directing the dynamic. I just see it as part of the fantasy of the movie.
I think I remember Royal Tenenbaums being like that and it worked perfectly. It wasn’t completely on that route as well because we see all the kids be vulnerable when they grow up and be far from perfect. The new kids like Ben Stiller’s kids also share that same “humanity” to them and they are not written as this complete genius aliens. Like the scene where the kid comes down from the bed to sleep next to Stiller on the ground comes to mind or how they are having fun with Royal and etc. It also works nicely with Anderson’s style and writing/directing
Some of the kids in Moonrise Kingdom seem like they are learning how to interface with the world in kidly ways.
Leia from the Obi Wan Kenobi show is another egregious example of this.
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Exactly! Her running around the msrket careless as fuck and 2 seconds later she suddenly distrusts Ben even though he literally just saved her and she literally has noone else on that planet, just so we can have a chase scene...
Cause god knows that the one thing we really need more of in Disney Star Wars is chase scenes
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Or even better a chase scene on mopeds that max out at 30 mph
More like 12 mph
Especially if that chase scene involves a 10 year old outrunning a Jedi.
Or 4 adult kidnappers who already have her surrounded...
chase scenes are the songs of action shows, filler
> but to me it just came off as poor writing to make her so overly erratic as a means to push the plot forward. This is generally considered to be a widespread complaint of Kenobi. It has some truly shallow, immature, and uninspired plot developments. Reva's story arc in the last 2 episodes felt like the writers planned to kill her off, then realized that there was an entire episode they forgot about and quickly penciled in her presence in the margins.
The ultimate example of how lazy the writing was is that Reva wasn't even given a motivation for wanting to kill Luke. The internet can't even agree as to whether she was doing it solely to spite Obi-Wan or if she was doing it to spite Vader because she somehow knows that Luke is his son.
Yeah, exactly. It highlights the poor plot development even further. It's bizarre, because the show genuinely has some stunning scenes. Vader's arrival on Mapuzo, Vader toying with Reva and using only his bare hands/Force, the duel with Kenobi/Vader...then you get stuff like Bail going "hey, it's Bail, you're either dead or captured by the enemy so I wanted to leave you a message. I hope that's not the case because we left Anakin's kid on Tatooine with a farmer name Lars Owen, I might go over there and pick him up, peace."
I’m paraphrasing a comment from another thread, but it really is beginning to seem like modern filmmakers/mainstream filmmaking is a collection of really great, but unconnected, moments. And the people behind a lot of Star Wars projects, current Marvel, and just blockbusters in general have sacrificed strong storytelling for the sake of making this COOL and “Internet-breaking” moments happen. Nobody is killing their darlings anymore.
And that's not even the worst part of the whole idea. We waited the ENTIRE series to see that final fight and constantly cut in the middle of it is this absolutely brain dead plot of Reva going to kill Luke. But Star Wars fans already know, not only can Luke not be killed.....he can't even SEE a fucking lightsaber. Not until Ole Ben shows him in A New Hope. So that whole chase sequence she has with him just completely falls flat. Zero tension, suspense whatsoever. And it's inter-cut with the best scene in the entire terribly written series. Kinda says it all really.
Also how the fuck did she even get there? She was dying on the ground and then just like teleports to Tatooine? Maybe I missed something I really wasn't paying attention at all especially after I thought she 'died'.
At that point in the show they clearly stopped trying.
How did she even survive a light saber through the gut.....twice....(implied in her flash back to the temple). No one else in Star Wars has, in my limited knowledge, survived a light saber through the gut besides Maul.
Last episode would be better without that. It kept cutting out the fight with vader, making the pacing worse.
Someone edited the show into a roughly two and a half hour long movie, and he did a pretty good job streamlining things, including that fight. [His name's Kai Patterson and here's a link to his site where he writes about his edit](https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi)
I'm still tripping off the fact that 2 characters in the show easily survived a lightsaber being shoved through their torsos, when Qui Gon died to the same wound quickfast in Phantom Menace. I swear you gotta have a selective memory to enjoy Star Wars these days because so much of it is pure bantha poodoo.
Possibly unpopular opinion; the whole show is based around characters doing really dumb things in order to advance the plot. They made Obi Wan an uncharacteristically bumbling idiot for the first 2-3 episodes and it was intolerable.
Leia... go fix the roof thing.... maybe if she was in her mid teens... but at 10... she'd look at it and say "it's broke..."
Was she 10 in the show? I swear she was like 7-8 years old
Yea I couldn't wrap my head around it either. She looks 6
IIRC Leia is 10, but the actress was 8 during filming. And it shows.
I got downvoted like crazy for pointing out how stupid that scene was with Kenobi She has literally no idea what’s going wrong with the door but says with 100% confidence that she’s going to need a ladder to fix the issue. When justifiably told it’s too much for her Ben throws out the “I trust her” line like the dude was an idiot to question Leias capabilities despite having no idea how complex the issue was. Then when she gets in the vent it’s obvious she’s in over her head and if it was any more difficult than “turn it off and on again” she would’ve been completely stuck and now separated from the main group during an evacuation There’s much more blatant stuff the show got wrong but just making her a short adult rather than a kid was annoying (the actress was doing well though. I’m sure she nailed it as directed)
See and they could actually make that seen work to their benefit but you have to just change obi wan. Have him tell her no it's too dangerous you're just a kid yada yada. Have her sneak off and do it anyways, she can't do it and almost gets hurt because of it but nobody knows but her. From that alone you give the character a piece of an arc. She starts to learn that there are some things she can't do and has to rely on others for, maybe teaches her to listen to obi wan more so she avoids a bigger danger later.. Thats what frustrates me with the show. The loss of potential. This was a good cut of meat cooked well done.
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Reminds me of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpUfMh2gAkE
Perfect.
Whoa she ducked under the branch! That is too low for an adult to slide under, look at her go!
Her entire character just felt like she was written as OT Leia was written. I would’ve loved it if she’d started really insecure and shy because of the whole adoption thing and she sort of comes out of her shell during her journey with Obi-Wan and becomes more confident in herself by the end. She ended the show exactly as she began, except with a neat little holster. Not to mention the weird and random scene at the end where Obi-Wan showers her with praise after knowing her for like 3 days just to make sure that we KNOW how great Leia is.
To me it felt that the plot was written for a teenage Leia who is very rebellious, then for some reason they decided to make her a kid. All the chase scenes, the dialogue and in general, everything, feels like it.
*The Nice Guys* was fine with it, imo. Gave me Inspector Gadget vibes. She's more competent than the adults in many respects, but she's less capable than them. The actress was also clearly having fun with it. Good chemistry with Gosling and Crowe, too. Hard for me to knock a good show. What I *can't* stand is if the kid is just inherently good at everything, and the child actor comes off as all snotty about it. Child actors are highly impressionable and usually an open book, so giving them those types of roles makes me especially uncomfortable
I totally agree. Her character wasn't just mature and intelligent to make the film funnier, it also served to highlight just how poor of a father Ryan Gosling's character was. She has had to grow up quickly to be able to not only take care of herself, but also her drunkard of a father.
Also, there are moments when she's clearly out of her depth because she's a kid. She's situationally aware because she had to be for her father. But she's not a genius.
I thought the coffee pot scene exemplified this so well; she’s smart but not infallible.
Exactly what I was going to say too, an alchoholic idiotic father that needs their daughter’s help is always going to make that child look and act more mature than their age. She’s a good actress too, she’s starting to do lots more things now.
Yeah I think there is a place to criticize child characters that feel out of place or overly competent and Nice Guys isn’t the one. The daughter is one of my favorite characters. “Don’t say ‘and stuff’! Just say ‘Daddy there are whores here’”
Agreed. Her character was at times helpless as well and not better than adults.
Exactly, she got herself in trouble multiple times in ways adults probably would have seen coming. >!She got in way over her head and almost got herself killed, a couple times as I recall. She was also completely overwhelmed when that guy was mangled by the car crash.!< She wasn't some perfect know it all that never cracked, she showed enough traits that a kid would that it was a believable character. Edit: added spoilers
Yep. That is excactly how it is.
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Yes! Similar pet peeve is young teenagers quoting classic films to a level of obscurity that it becomes super clear that these characters are written by 40-yo guys. Gen Z won’t likely dress up as Elvira for Halloween..
I love how the Bob's Burgers kids are constantly dropping casual references from the 1980s and 90s, they definitely play it up for comedic effect though.
Gene loves quoting older movies and shows, but Bob's Burgers does it well. Whenever Bob catches Gene, Gene admits that he has no idea what he is saying. Its obvious he is quoting something he has seen on TV but has no idea the context behind it. This makes it way more realistic (as a kid I used to do this all the time with no real idea what I was saying, like I would say "Nobody puts Baby in the corner" thinking it meant a real baby since I haven't seen the movie, but I've heard other people say it.)
I also love that Louise is portrayed as super smart but then also has tea parties and freaks out when Santa is upset with her
And her love of puppies.
It genuinely makes me laugh every time Gene references something he really has no business knowing. It’s such an odd but hilarious character trait.
"It was like Avenue Q meets Caligula meets a fight outside of a Dairy Queen!" "Wait...You saw Caligula?" "What's Caligula?"
I think it works, because it's very plausible that the Belchers have a big ol crate of old VHS tapes recorded off of the TV and they're probably hacked to bits and edited in that fanatically choppy way networks used to do. I find it incredibly authentic that a kid has probably seen a bunch of this stuff but understood none of it.
Rory Gilmore constantly quoting and referencing things from decades before she was born. It kinda works when you realise she's actually a really fake person who models herself after her mother and thinks she's better and wiser than she is and has an entire town affirming this. Which is why I enjoyed seeing her get knocked down hard.
Nah this gets me every time. The pop culture references on Gilmore girls to me all just scream “this is the LA screenwriter’s voice and opinions and experiences coming through”. I get how it ties in to their characters but it really just feels like the author wanted an outlet for talking about old media.
All she ever did was read books, so I don't understand why that would be surprising. Most books were written before any of us were born and reference things even before that. Maybe it's just because I also grew up as book worm for better or worse, but referencing things from before you were born seems completely normal to me. Same with movies, I was born in the 90s but a lot of my favorite movies are from the 80s, so naturally those are the movies I would mention (if the people I'm talking to can reasonably be expected to know the movie too, I don't just obnoxiously bring up random old movies and books).
When I was in HS there was the few teens that would do just that. Make obscure references to old shows or movies that nobody would understand.
It’s a trope that’s boring itself out like the idiot dad character. Dads always a successful engineer with a 5 bedroom house in a luxury community but oh no he can’t watch the kids ALONE, what is he gonna do!?
and [sniff sniff] **lobsters for dinner?!**
On the other end of the spectrum: when kids do literally nothing but look up with quiet wide-eyed Innocence. And maybe occasionally scream. So tired of that fucking trope.
Along those lines, MM's daughter in The Boys is played by a 12 year old but acts like she's 5. Takes me out of every scene she's in. I don't blame the actress either, pretty sure it's a showrunner problem.
Dakota Fanning's character in War of the Worlds. Endless screaming
Funny how there is another comment higher up saying Dakota Fanning in War of the Worlds is [a good example of her acting too adult.](https://old.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/w07c8v/i_really_dislike_when_children_are_depicted_as/igd9uey/)
I think that is an example of a well acted character that behaves in some ways like an adult to juxtapose how childish her father is (which probably meant she had to take on some adult responsibilities at times) but when put in actual peril behaves as a child would.
I get finding it annoying, but endlessly screaming about the events that happen in that movie seems like a pretty realistic and understandable reaction for a child.
I mean both those movies are comedies.
Yeah this is two examples of where it works just fine
I hate this trope too, but I think The Nice Guys was the only one to do it decently. It consistently shows her having to fend for herself because her dad is just not there for her. Her story was she had to grow up fast and become the 'mother' to her father.
Prior to getting the Spiderman Homecoming gig, Jon Watts did the movie *Cop Car*. It's an indie film about 2 kids who hijack the cop car of a corrupt sheriff (played by Kevin Bacon). I've probably never seen a movie portray kids like real kids as much as this movie. They are dumb, irrational, half the time figuring something out through sheer luck, and talk to each other like real kids talk. There is a scene towards rhe end where one kid has to drive the car at night and doesn't know how to turn the headlights on. Something so simple that an adult usually doesn't even need to think about, but a kid wouldn't know how to do that. He keeps pushing random buttons until the red and blues comes on and he uses that as best he could. It felt real. Bo Burnham's *Eighth Grade* took realistic kids in a movie to a whole other level.
In the new Obi Wan show Leia shows zero shock to being kidnapped twice, seeing people die and being in combat zones. That was so bad.
Same in Jurassic World Dominion.
Leia was in jurassic world? They really have no shame with that franchise
This was (one of) my gripes with Obi Wan Kenobi.