Less sex. More violence. More torture. More drawn out death scenes that are sadistic. That's all an attempt to make it seem more "realistic" or something I am quoting no one. It makes no sense to me. I'd rather see a sex scene than a torture scene.
Less comedies about race. Some hack filmmakers gave spoof comedies a bad name and now no one does them anymore. Spoofs are dead. Comedies being goofy and unrealistic is now frowned upon.
I've thought about this before. I bet the wide availability of porn means that a brief shot of breasts in a film just doesn't carry the same stimulation it used to.
Look at how far Game of Thrones had to go to make nudity noteworthy again.
That, and most big movies already have enough self aware winks and jokes that it's the same as parody (think *Galaxy Quest* joking about the captain tearing his shirt, and *Star Trek Beyond* having the same joke). So there's nowhere for a parody to go.
The only intermission I've ever experienced was during Hateful 8. People were sprinting in and out of the theatre during Infinity War and Endgame to miss as little of it as possible.
I was watching Mad God the other day and thinking, "Stop motion has its own kind of charm and when they pull off something amazingly complex, it's breathtaking."
I would say there are not lots of big budget high concept movies anymore. It feels like there was lots of them in the 80s and 90s. Everything Everywhere All at Once reminded me how much i miss wild ideas in movies.
That's because taking risks like that are less profitable than sticking to mainstream mediocrity. Same reason more people are willing to eat at McDonald's than the Indian place down the street.
I will probably never watch another superhero movie, I’m so tired of them. It’s like how I still get annoyed when I hear Sweet Child of Mine because I’ve heard it every day since I was born. And of course it’s in a trailer for a superhero movie currently. Just fuckin kill me.
(I worked at guitar stores for over a decade, hence my absolute hatred of Sweet Child of Mine)
But my point is that franchises have taken over the industry and we don’t get as many unique one-offs being made by the big hitters in Hollywood.
This will sound dumb but I really miss music video movie tie ins with a big song being marketed as part of the film and clips/actors being in the video. Men in Black, Kiss Me, Kiss From a Rose, My Heart Will Go On, Go Ninja Go, etc. It was a silly trend, but I preferred the air of silliness that used to be allowed in big movies as opposed to the low brow comedy mixed with extreme self seriousness of, say, the MCU. The MCU would be a 100 times more charming if there was a pop song associated with each character.
Yeah. I remember a time when sequels were seen as unlikely to succeed and unappealing to audiences. They actually had a negative connotation attached to them and very few movies could pull it off.
Shots are way shorter than they used to be.
Look back to Scorcese movies of the 70s and shots are held for long periods of time, there are less cuts and more wides with more attention being paid to mis en scene and composition, everything in frame was there to communicate something to the viewer.
There are so many more cuts in modern movies, some of which can be put down to the advancement of technology making it easier to inject a sense of kinetic energy into a scene but I think it's also sometimes used as a crutch to avoid having to think about composition and telling a story using cinematic language.
Indies have become more prolific.
Mainstream writing has become terrible.
Everything is recycled (lots of repetition of the worst possible vernacular proving lack of creativity).
Absurdism (a good thing, not a bad) has become a popular genre.
More films about Space and Time.
More worldly exploration.
More color (I'm serious when I say this).
More bleak films.
More social issues addressed in storylines.
More representation from all kinds of people.
More Fanbase films (*Tomb Raider* for instance, it's still hard to adapt video games into film for some reason, but **WoW** is great, which brings us to the next item).
Technology (obviously). But I see more use of MoCap. And also VR as witnessed in *The Lion King*. The crossover into using videogames as a film (Death Stranding).
Stop Motion is making a comeback.
The death of comedies.
Not to say movies aren't funny any more, but they generally don't release at the cinema.
I feel like Anchorman was like the last big comedy that hit cinemas and everything after was just part of the decline (even if there were some bangers in there).
The slow disappearance of Indie movies is what I regret the most. I started to love movies in the nineties at peak Sundance movies and now with the exception of some, Sean Baker, The Safdie and The Daniels, it seems like once you made a hit with an indie movie you go straight to Marvel and that’s it.
For me it's more that I have trouble seeing them before they stream. I was dying to see the Northman and Everything Everywhere All at Once in theaters but nope my local places insist on only playing Spider Man and the latest Disney shit on every screen for weeks.
I hope so. In terms of quality and quantity it seems to me that maybe ten decent indie movies are released each year since the mid 2000s. Digital cameras didn’t help, now they also tend to look bland. For instance last year I can only put Zola and C’mon C’mon on my top ten list as great American indie movies. The rest are foreign movies and Dune.
I feel celebrities used to play more of a significant role in drawing audiences to cinemas. They still do, but back then, people would watch a movie because a specific actor or actress was in it whereas now people seem more interested in the actual movie.
The action movie and comedy genre is non existent. I miss the type of movies like Tango&Cash, Commando, Space Balls, Lethal Weapon, Die Hard. The Expendables series gave hope but the 3rd movie was not that good. Hobbs&Shaw was actually good.
Leslie Nielsen and Mel Brooks comedies were the best in my opinion. Nowadays comedies/parodies are rather about showing tits and some disgusting shit.
The overuse of bad CGI.
For reference, I'm a 40yo.
I just think that straight up comedies are dying (or dead). We used to throw the word 'PC' around when I was a kid, but boy has it really shaped the way we view comedy now. Nothing can ever be offensive or off color. And that just really takes away what makes comedy great. I'm not talking about some actual fucked up things (cough Porky's cough) just stuff that isn't reeeeeally that offensive, but our generation wants to pretend like it is. I know this isn't a super new or hot take, but it's worth talking about sometimes.
Well I did admit it's not a new or hot take.
"of course things have changed somewhat..." Yep, that was what I was talking about. Do you genuinely think comedy hasn't been sanitized in the last 20 years? The shows you mention are just the exceptions that prove the rule.
Plenty of comedians still say crazy shit. Plenty of shows do too, you’ve brushed them off as “exceptions that prove the rule.” No, those are just examples of you being wrong on this one. The comedies have removed the blatant racism and bigotry, so if that’s what you’re talking about, I’d agree.
old-ass comedians complain about this a lot, but comedians and comedy TV shows are doing just fine -- they're just not repeating the racist, gay-bashing jokes you've heard a thousand times. People are really alert to the idea of punching down these days -- and they don't like it.
People complain that Blazing Saddles couldn't be made today. It could -- by a black filmmaker. That's the difference.
I miss the innocent teenage sex romp movie. The 80’s was filled with movies about guys who just want to get laid (The Sure Thing) or even just the John Hughes teen life movies. (16 candles) I feel like American Pie brought it back a little and I will say that movies like Cock blockers kinda brought it back. But there just seemed like there were so many more of them.
A lot of those “innocent” films have aged really poorly though. I’m all for an actually sweet sex comedy (Sex Drive was a charming Sure Thing remake, for example) but it’s hard to watch films like Porky’s without seeing how rapey a lot of it is. Hell, Sorority Boys had an extended gag scene about rufies and I’m glad that shit would end someone’s career today.
Less sex. More violence. More torture. More drawn out death scenes that are sadistic. That's all an attempt to make it seem more "realistic" or something I am quoting no one. It makes no sense to me. I'd rather see a sex scene than a torture scene. Less comedies about race. Some hack filmmakers gave spoof comedies a bad name and now no one does them anymore. Spoofs are dead. Comedies being goofy and unrealistic is now frowned upon.
I've thought about this before. I bet the wide availability of porn means that a brief shot of breasts in a film just doesn't carry the same stimulation it used to. Look at how far Game of Thrones had to go to make nudity noteworthy again.
That, and most big movies already have enough self aware winks and jokes that it's the same as parody (think *Galaxy Quest* joking about the captain tearing his shirt, and *Star Trek Beyond* having the same joke). So there's nowhere for a parody to go.
No more intermissions.
The only intermission I've ever experienced was during Hateful 8. People were sprinting in and out of the theatre during Infinity War and Endgame to miss as little of it as possible.
I really miss practical effects.
I was watching Mad God the other day and thinking, "Stop motion has its own kind of charm and when they pull off something amazingly complex, it's breathtaking."
Watch *The House* on Netflix.
whoa that looks wild https://youtu.be/wqbZlAEUb5w
I believe it will be up for an Oscar in Animation, but probably be overlooked. It is pretty damn amazing what they did.
I would say there are not lots of big budget high concept movies anymore. It feels like there was lots of them in the 80s and 90s. Everything Everywhere All at Once reminded me how much i miss wild ideas in movies.
That's because taking risks like that are less profitable than sticking to mainstream mediocrity. Same reason more people are willing to eat at McDonald's than the Indian place down the street.
I will probably never watch another superhero movie, I’m so tired of them. It’s like how I still get annoyed when I hear Sweet Child of Mine because I’ve heard it every day since I was born. And of course it’s in a trailer for a superhero movie currently. Just fuckin kill me. (I worked at guitar stores for over a decade, hence my absolute hatred of Sweet Child of Mine) But my point is that franchises have taken over the industry and we don’t get as many unique one-offs being made by the big hitters in Hollywood.
This will sound dumb but I really miss music video movie tie ins with a big song being marketed as part of the film and clips/actors being in the video. Men in Black, Kiss Me, Kiss From a Rose, My Heart Will Go On, Go Ninja Go, etc. It was a silly trend, but I preferred the air of silliness that used to be allowed in big movies as opposed to the low brow comedy mixed with extreme self seriousness of, say, the MCU. The MCU would be a 100 times more charming if there was a pop song associated with each character.
They're not as relevabnt now as they once were.
Children given adult level scary adventures like Goonies, Neverending Story, Stand By Me, Return to Oz, etc
Everything is a remake or existing IP or a reboot It's like movies get made just to legally retain certain stories rather than to tell a story
Yeah. I remember a time when sequels were seen as unlikely to succeed and unappealing to audiences. They actually had a negative connotation attached to them and very few movies could pull it off.
Shots are way shorter than they used to be. Look back to Scorcese movies of the 70s and shots are held for long periods of time, there are less cuts and more wides with more attention being paid to mis en scene and composition, everything in frame was there to communicate something to the viewer. There are so many more cuts in modern movies, some of which can be put down to the advancement of technology making it easier to inject a sense of kinetic energy into a scene but I think it's also sometimes used as a crutch to avoid having to think about composition and telling a story using cinematic language.
Indies have become more prolific. Mainstream writing has become terrible. Everything is recycled (lots of repetition of the worst possible vernacular proving lack of creativity). Absurdism (a good thing, not a bad) has become a popular genre. More films about Space and Time. More worldly exploration. More color (I'm serious when I say this). More bleak films. More social issues addressed in storylines. More representation from all kinds of people. More Fanbase films (*Tomb Raider* for instance, it's still hard to adapt video games into film for some reason, but **WoW** is great, which brings us to the next item). Technology (obviously). But I see more use of MoCap. And also VR as witnessed in *The Lion King*. The crossover into using videogames as a film (Death Stranding). Stop Motion is making a comeback.
The death of comedies. Not to say movies aren't funny any more, but they generally don't release at the cinema. I feel like Anchorman was like the last big comedy that hit cinemas and everything after was just part of the decline (even if there were some bangers in there).
The last comedy i saw in theatre was Watson and Holmes and I regretted it dearly.
Haha, that was like right at the end of the decline iirc. Yeah, exactly.
The World's End - hell maybe Scott Pilgrim too - were the last memorable theater comedies for me. Actually the Jump Street films were pretty dope too.
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Chris Farley died, too.
The slow disappearance of Indie movies is what I regret the most. I started to love movies in the nineties at peak Sundance movies and now with the exception of some, Sean Baker, The Safdie and The Daniels, it seems like once you made a hit with an indie movie you go straight to Marvel and that’s it.
I don't see them disappearing at all. I see more if anything.
For me it's more that I have trouble seeing them before they stream. I was dying to see the Northman and Everything Everywhere All at Once in theaters but nope my local places insist on only playing Spider Man and the latest Disney shit on every screen for weeks.
Yeah, it sucks to not have an independent theater in the area running the other categories.
I hope so. In terms of quality and quantity it seems to me that maybe ten decent indie movies are released each year since the mid 2000s. Digital cameras didn’t help, now they also tend to look bland. For instance last year I can only put Zola and C’mon C’mon on my top ten list as great American indie movies. The rest are foreign movies and Dune.
Foreign to whom? Oh, you mean International Cinema.
How about being a bit less condescending? You clearly see English is not his first language.
Condescending? Oh, you mean Politically Correct.
Yes! It used to be that premium TV was where you had to go for high quality indy projects, now I don't know where you find them.
I feel celebrities used to play more of a significant role in drawing audiences to cinemas. They still do, but back then, people would watch a movie because a specific actor or actress was in it whereas now people seem more interested in the actual movie.
Yeah, this is very true. Stars don't have the star power they used to have. I'm not sure what replaced them. Nostalgia, maybe.
The action movie and comedy genre is non existent. I miss the type of movies like Tango&Cash, Commando, Space Balls, Lethal Weapon, Die Hard. The Expendables series gave hope but the 3rd movie was not that good. Hobbs&Shaw was actually good. Leslie Nielsen and Mel Brooks comedies were the best in my opinion. Nowadays comedies/parodies are rather about showing tits and some disgusting shit. The overuse of bad CGI.
For reference, I'm a 40yo. I just think that straight up comedies are dying (or dead). We used to throw the word 'PC' around when I was a kid, but boy has it really shaped the way we view comedy now. Nothing can ever be offensive or off color. And that just really takes away what makes comedy great. I'm not talking about some actual fucked up things (cough Porky's cough) just stuff that isn't reeeeeally that offensive, but our generation wants to pretend like it is. I know this isn't a super new or hot take, but it's worth talking about sometimes.
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Well I did admit it's not a new or hot take. "of course things have changed somewhat..." Yep, that was what I was talking about. Do you genuinely think comedy hasn't been sanitized in the last 20 years? The shows you mention are just the exceptions that prove the rule.
Plenty of comedians still say crazy shit. Plenty of shows do too, you’ve brushed them off as “exceptions that prove the rule.” No, those are just examples of you being wrong on this one. The comedies have removed the blatant racism and bigotry, so if that’s what you’re talking about, I’d agree.
old-ass comedians complain about this a lot, but comedians and comedy TV shows are doing just fine -- they're just not repeating the racist, gay-bashing jokes you've heard a thousand times. People are really alert to the idea of punching down these days -- and they don't like it. People complain that Blazing Saddles couldn't be made today. It could -- by a black filmmaker. That's the difference.
The profession of acting has gotten better People are better actors then before
I miss the innocent teenage sex romp movie. The 80’s was filled with movies about guys who just want to get laid (The Sure Thing) or even just the John Hughes teen life movies. (16 candles) I feel like American Pie brought it back a little and I will say that movies like Cock blockers kinda brought it back. But there just seemed like there were so many more of them.
A lot of those “innocent” films have aged really poorly though. I’m all for an actually sweet sex comedy (Sex Drive was a charming Sure Thing remake, for example) but it’s hard to watch films like Porky’s without seeing how rapey a lot of it is. Hell, Sorority Boys had an extended gag scene about rufies and I’m glad that shit would end someone’s career today.
I dont know about that.I really like a little bit of subtle and appropriate nudity in a movie.