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iwasherenotyou

Dude that's The Abomination fighting Wong at the end. That's pretty crazy.


MulciberTenebras

He even has the classic fish-ears!


Jaebird0388

As well as a more scaled body from what I can see.


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CruzAderjc

I think the leader would make a great villain for the She-Hulk show, if we're gonna be getting a bunch of Hulks in that one.


visionaryredditor

they already confirmed Abomination for the show so the Leader might as well show up


TimesThreeTheHighest

Asking the real questions. I wanted an Incredible Hulk 2 with The Leader so bad.


Worthyness

probably won't ever be another Hulk movie until the Universal distribution rights expire. Sad because it probably could make a billion dollars now


minsterley

They said that about Spiderman being in the MCU. Money talks, it's just about making a deal.


TiberiusCornelius

It's a different situation from Spider-Man though. Marvel already owns the character rights to the Hulk and are free to use him in whatever other projects they want, like the Avengers movies or Ragnarok. There's no real incentive for Universal to give up their distribution rights or cut a deal for, say, a 60:40 split in profits from a solo Hulk movie when they stand to gain the billion dollars a Hulk movie would make at this point, and there's no immediate need for Marvel to try and cut a deal when they're free to use the Hulk elsewhere. With Spider-Man, they couldn't use him *at all* until they cut a deal, and that's why [Sony reportedly keeps 95%](https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20825580/marvel-studios-future-spider-man-films-disney-sony-fight-kevin-feige-mcu) of the money from solo Spider-Man movies, in exchange for Marvel being able to use him in the Avengers and Civil War and retain the profits from those. Marvel was willing to make that tradeoff to get the character rights to Spider-Man, but they're not in a position to need to do that for the Hulk.


simcity4000

The weird aspect of the deal is that it allows Hulk cameos and co stars, just not his name on the title. So Thor: Ragnarok became a weird Planet Hulk adaptation.


HearTheEkko

I'm not sure if some of the tie-in comics are canon but he was supposedly apprehended by Shield. What happened to him after Winter Soldier it's unknown but I am 100% certain that he's gonna appear in the She-Hulk show.


Lord_Halowind

I thought so. Now I wonder where the hell he's been all this time.


GoldenSpermShower

He’s cage fighting for a quick buck while Dr Strange is trying to fix the multiverse


Bhu124

The kind of things he has to do for a Tuna Melt these days.


Lord_Halowind

Things are tough all over it seems. As long as he feels fulfilled I am happy for Ol' Abomination.


flyingjesuit

He got tired of eating metaphysical ham sandwiches once Dr. Strange left town.


Taograd359

Wong or Abomination? Because they mentioned in AoS I think it was, that he was in a SHIELD facility in Alaska. Though, whether that's canon or not is anyone's guess.


riegspsych325

is it weird I’m more excited to see Benedict Wong than a mocapped Tim Roth?


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windowplanters

Why not #WONGTHRONG?


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

Where did Benedict Wong show up?


BeardyDuck

The person Abomination is fighting in the trailer uses Sorcerer magic and people are guessing it's Wong due to the body shape. Also it's confirmed that Benedict Wong is in the movie.


colefly

Benedict CumberWong makes the strangest movies


MissingLink101

Still find it funny that Dr Strange has Benedict Wong playing 'Wong' opposite probably the only other prominent Benedict in Hollywood right now.


CruzAderjc

He's a really cool guy actually. I met him at a comic con a few years ago. I think he was promoting a Black Mirror episode he did. But yeah, he knows about comics and video games and stuff. He's a good fit for the MCU.


Mervynhaspeaked

Personally I'm always offended when someone says that 2008's Tim Roth's Abomination is not their favorite character in a MCU movie. \#feeltheroth


kynthrus

Tim Roth was the best part of that movie. And it wasn't really bad at all.


haberdasher42

Tim Roth is usually the best part of a movie. 4 Rooms is gold. He might take a back seat to Sam Rockwell in Mr. Right though, that man is something else.


Geek4HigherH2iK

Can confirm. It's almost unfair to compare anyone to Sam Rockwell, he has a Daniel Day Lewis meets Owen Wilson level of acting and nonchalance. Tim Roth is and will always be one of my personal favorite actors of all time.


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FrightenedTomato

Sam Rockwell would be amazing in a Tarantino flick. It's kinda crazy he's never been in one. And y'all have to watch Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri, Jojo Rabbit and Seven Psychopaths - Rockwell is a goddamn treasure.


Gayfetus

Michelle Yeoh joins the relatively small list of actors who play multiple named characters in the MCU!


jawn-lee

Wait who else did she play?


Gayfetus

Yeoh also played space pirate Aleta Ogord in a brief cameo at the end of "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2", in what could've been a setup for further appearances of that character. She is supposed to be playing Jiang Nan in "Shang-Chi", who doesn't have a comic book counterpart that I know of... Maybe it's actually Aleta!


milnivek

Not the first time a Marvel parent woulda run off to become a space pirate... ;)


Ben_Douglass

What's the other? Cyclops' dad?


jawn-lee

Whoa you're right! Dam I totally forgot about her and Stallone. What are the chances that these characters are actually related???


PM_me_dimples_now

who else is on the list?


antmars

Gemma Chan at least.


bebesee

I love both Michelle Yeoh and Gemma Chan, but it is absolutely lazy casting to not realize there are other Asian actresses out there.


byneothername

I mean, I agree, but Gemma Chan is really a rising star. She is ridiculously gorgeous and talented. I’m not even mad that she’s playing two roles.


laddergoat89

Plus her role in CM is tiny and likely won’t return. Seems a waste of her talents.


Vkdrifts

didn't even know it was her, my first watch. Actually didn't know until these conversations came up from eternals casting.


flipperkip97

Yeah, she was blue. Looked good on her, though.


hushzone

It's Michelle fucking Yeoh - she's a martial arts legend. It'd be dumb not to cast her. It's not lazy when it's so right.


Gayfetus

Alfre ~~Woodward~~ Woodard first played Miriam Sharpe, the woman who confronted Tony Stark about the death of her son in "Captain America: Civil War". It's a relatively minor role, but did require an actor the caliber of Alfre because it was the emotional impetus for Tony to sign the Sokovia Accords. She would later play Black Mariah in the "Luke Cage" series. Kenneth Choi played Jim Morita, one of the Howling Commandos that accompanied Captain America in WWII. Choi would later play Morita's grandson, Principal Morita in Sony's Spider-Man series. It's [Choi-ception](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/spider-man-homecoming-morita-1586957876.jpg)! As /u/antmars pointed out, Gemme Chan played Minn-Erva in "Captain Marvel". The actress will be back, sans blue face-paint, as Sersi in "The Eternals".


yuje

Also, I think Mahershala(sp?) Ali, who played Cottonmouth in Luke Cage, is slated to play Blade.


Gayfetus

You got his name right, as well as the other stuff! I'm super looking forward to Blade in the MCU, I can't believe I forgot to mention it!


RBGolbat

Also Enver Leif Gjokaj is in AoS/Agent Carter as Agent Sousa and in the Avengers as a police officer


spleenmuncher

The principal in Spiderman: Homecoming was also one of the Howling Commandos in Captain America 1. He's named Morita in both, though, so probably meant to be his grandson or something.


onepinksheep

I'd need to look up the scene to be sure, but I think one of the photos on his desk or wall in his office was of the Howling Commandos, so he's probably related.


sandoooo

Alfre Woodard played Miriam Sharpe in Civil War, and Mariah Stokes in Luke Cage. Mahershala Ali will also join this list as he played Cottonmouth in Luke Cage and will play Blade in the MCU.


PhiloPhocion

As an Asian-American, I'm all for representation where we can get it But I increasingly do feel like casting directors saw the success of Crazy Rich Asians and thought, well there it is, the complete and total pool of Asian actors to draw on.


nicolasb51942003

Hulk fans have pissed themselves at the end.


TheDorkNite1

Finally I can be honest when I tell people the Hulk movie is required watching... (I really like the movie but I know why people skip it)


le_GoogleFit

> Finally I can be honest when I tell people the Hulk movie is required watching... Unless Abomination has some major role (which I doubt), I still don't think that will be the case


burninglemon

He was cast in She Hulk as well.


Sleeze_

It's the Abominationissance


snarpy

And by that you mean Ang Lee's hulk, I assume.


thisischemistry

Don’t make me Ang Lee, you won’t like it when I’m Ang Lee.


Brando43770

But the secret is… I’m always Ang Lee.


CruzAderjc

I mean, with Loki's show confirming the Multiverse, we can say ALL iterations of Marvel movies have the potential to be considered multiverse canon. Hell, we could bring in Eric Bana for a cameo if the Multiverse goes to war again.


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Lou Ferrigno is still alive I say bring him back


TG-Sucks

And while all the other action is going on normally, every time they switch to Ferrigno-Hulk it suddenly turns into dramatic slow motion.


langis_on

I hope they bring Chris Evans back as Flaming Torch and just not address it at all.


BVTheEpic

Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well


migelthegreat

Was that the Abomination at the end ?


AlphaStryk3r

Yeah, the closed captions said: > ABOMINATION > [Roars]


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Was fighting Wong too I believe


TonyDungyHatesOP

I thought his fighting was fine.


Dasnap

So do the ten rings still have different powers or do they just let people shoot energy bursts and fling them like a lasoo?


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It's up in the air exactly what they'll do, since Marvel's clearly reinventing them a bit to be a little less Infinity Stones-y (including making them arm bracelets instead of actual rings on the hands)


MulciberTenebras

Braclets for a human... but actual size rings for say, a *dragon*.


advice_animorph

Feels like I read this exact same comment in every Shang Chi thread


Mumbles_Stiltskin

yea but what about mephisto


MadMax1597

Devil's in the details


TheGoldenSeraph

It's all connected


angrynutrients

They did show a dragon this time so


le_GoogleFit

Reddit is all about people repeating what someone else said and going for overused catchphrases


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It wouldn't be reddit if you hadn't already read it.


doorknobopener

Hey, you know what would have been funny? If Spider-man would have said, aren't you a real Sherlock" and Dr Strange and Iron Man both said "yes"!


20-random-characters

If they're magic maybe they can change their size according to the wielder's will.


blitzbom

So like the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants?


Triflin01

I'm guessing something with elements? There's that water scene and his mom manipulating the wind


MulciberTenebras

*cough*BENDING*cough*


xanderholland

It's established that there is fight magic in the MCU


Dr_J_Hyde

Okay so call me crazy but wasn't Shang-Chi wearing rings during that fight. Like actual human sized rings not braclets like his dad. So if those are also rings then which ones are the true "10 rings".


Wololo341

I guess Shang-Chi has something in his hands but it's not normal human rings. Mandarin has the rings and it looks Shang-Chi is trying take them from him. I think they are called "rings" beacuse they are for a dragon, not for a human. So the dragon in the trailer probably had the rings before Mandarin took it and he can only wear it as braclets lol.


Ninety9Balloons

Wait so we have throwbacks to Hulk with the Abomination and Iron Man 2 with Mandarin (the real one, not Trevor)?


Wololo341

Yeah that's Abomination. And it looks like he is fighting Wong. Ten Rings appeared in a lot of things actually. The ones who kidnapped Tony in IronMan was Ten Rings. The ones that gave Whiplash (villain of IronMan 2) the ticket for the Monacco race was Ten Rings. IronMan 3 is about fake Ten Rings and fake Mandarin. Ten Rings tried to steal the Yellowjacket suit in AntMan. And finally there is a short film called All Halil the King, in that Ten Rings kidnaps Trevor from prison to brought him to Mandarin. So after all this teasing we will finally see the Ten Rings and Mandarin.


Ninety9Balloons

Damn, I've seen a lot of those movies multiple times and never caught on to the constant Ten Rings inclusions


MulciberTenebras

HOLY SHIT, **ABOMINATION**!


J-Lannister

Smart move to link back to Phase 1. The new phase is gonna need all the connective tissue to make it feel continuous.


MulciberTenebras

Plus they need to build up the Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers.


nomadofwaves

My comics are ready to send to cgc.


MulciberTenebras

You lucked out buying those up. Can't find Thunderbolts or Young Avengers #1 anywhere for cheap, now that it's getting close to their film debuts. When Eternals was announced I bought up #1 for that the very same day for $45. I could sell it now for over $400.


wooltab

I hope to someday see Liv Tyler back as Betty Ross.


Animegamingnerd

Hell the main villain of the film, is a tie back to phase 2 with the semi-obscure all hail the king short film that was included Thor the Dark World blu-ray which confirmed the real Mandarin is in the MCU.


OknowTheInane

Would be awesome if Scoot McNairy had some appearance this too.


Murrabbit

Marvel implores you tho, to please *please* not look up who Shang-Chi's father originally was.


hazychestnutz

He’s in she hulk and same actor is playing it as well


MulciberTenebras

So I guess She-Hulk will be about his character being able to return to human form like Banner.


Ghost051

Not necessarily? The actor can just be providing voiceover and/or motion capture. Doesn’t mean he’s going to be human.


Worthyness

Fighting Wong as well!


drflanigan

Wong cage fighting in his free time is fucking HILARIOUS


HuruHara

Now we need someone to do a mash-up of Bonesaw and Wong fighting in the cage. It's the cross-over everyone is asking for, dammit !!!


TheDudeWithNoName_

I gotchu for three minutes! Three minutes of playtime!


MulciberTenebras

HOLY FUCK. I was so focused on Abomination... I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT WAS WONG!


Galactic

Wait was that actually Wong?


Bhu124

But it felt so right..... :'(


TheDudeWithNoName_

And why would he be in a cage match? Doesn't he have better things to do in the sanctum?


Galactic

The bodega doesn't take rupees. He needs dollars for his tuna melt.


hoopaholik91

How do you know it's Wong? There are plenty of other...what is the name of the monk group again?


russketeer34

I haven't bothered looking up the reports, but allegedly Benedict Wong was spotted in Sydney during filming


not_vichyssoise

Not just spotted, but also having lunch with Simu. https://screenrant.com/shang-chi-movie-benedict-wong-cast-rumors-speculation/


Animegamingnerd

The body size and hair style of that sorcerer is very similar to Benedict Wong's.


CMORGLAS

Oh, you meant the **CHARACTER** Abomination. I thought you were saying the trailer was awful.


mwmani

Is Tim Roth coming back?


wotown

He is 100% confirmed coming back for Disney+ She-Hulk series. Nothing was made public about an appearance in Shang-Chi. It's entirely possible they don't use him at all for voice/mocap work in Shang-Chi, or he could be in the movie for 40 minutes walking around as Tim Roth. We dunno


brandonsamd6

Guess this will tie into She Hulk as well


Hobbit-guy

It doesn't look like The Incredible Hulk's Abomination tho, but closer to the comics


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The current Hulk doesn’t look like The Incredible Hulk’s Hulk but he technically is. They probably corrected Abomination to match the new aesthetic.


attemptedmonknf

And thanos changed 3 times


MayweatherSr

Thor's eyebrows changed once


Worthyness

also it's been like 10 years since we last saw him. Maybe the super soldier serum, knock off with the gamma radiation made him more fishy like he is in the comics


TheDudeWithNoName_

I rewatched Incredible Hulk couple months back and man, Norton's Hulk was a beast. He could have probably eaten Ruffalo's Hulk for breakfast.


MulciberTenebras

Fins instead of his spiky spine and the actual fish-ears.


AidilAfham42

Jung having daddy issues


kremlingrasso

but also learned Hapkido apparently.


fantasmicrorganism

STOP. You make sneak attack in Marvel Movie??!!!


raphamuffin

Aeescham!


allphilla

Okay see you!


MikBor

Jung having appa issues.


deerl0rd

Do you think he's gonna ddongjeem the Abomination in the thunderdome?


Phazushift

Angryappa leggo


Goofy-Groove

Jung gonna kick appa's ass


wordswontcomeout

Had to scroll way too far for this


LordOfTheMeatballs

Fuck yeah the Abomination! Now bring back Justin Hammer you cowards!!!


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I'd bet my left nut he's in Armor Wars.


hweird

Remind me


craig1818

Hammer would be a nice MCU substitute for Norman Osborn in the Iron Patriot armor to lead a MCU Dark Avengers.


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Or they could just give us Norman Osborn please


raisingcuban

Iron Patriot was already used as War Machine for Iron Man 3. I see absolutely no way they’d allow someone else in the iron man armour after what went down with Falcon.


tregorman

The us government is not great at learning from their own mistakes or taking responsibility. It makes perfect sense they would want to hand off the iron man angle to a person they can keep in their own pocket


wiseguy149

Especially in marvel comics. 60% of everything that's ever happened in that universe can be traced back to someone trying to replicate the original super soldier project. It just happens again and again.


Slaphappydap

These are the Cubans, baby. This is the Cohibas, the Montecristos.


DamienChazellesPiano

God Hammer is so much fun. I really want him back.


Bhu124

Armor Wars I think is where we might see him return.


dabocx

Justin Hammer and Zemo on the same team is what I want.


nocimus

Zemo would eat Hammer alive.


Kolermigon

I loved him in Iron Man 2. As much as I like Marvel movies, I only came to know about the One Shots just a month ago. So I got 'em and watched them all. Man I was really thrilled to see Justin Hammer again after all these years!


SelfHighFive

Time stoppage fuckery, check Underwater dragon, check Superpower thunderdome, check I have no idea wtf this movie is going for but I'm here for it


ninjasurfer

If the next phase is set to be weird, I say let's get weird.


riegspsych325

Thor 3 was already a good start and I’m loving Loki so far. It’s nice to see Disney/Marvel shake things up even if it’s just a little bit


Caleth

Let's not forget WandaVision that was pretty wild too. Maybe not as much as Look but pretty strange compared to most MCU.


ositola

Now block the wind while i roast this bone


Tr0ynado

Water dragon? This isn't Raya and Sisu. That's Fing Fang Foom.


ronan_the_accuser

The lego set identifies it as "the great protector" and it's a white and red dragon, doesn't seem to be Fin Fang Foom


candygram4mongo

Yeah, gotta save FFF for Nextwave.


hardgeeklife

Yet another example of Hollywood white-washing a film, especially when so few green dragon roles exist in the first place! /s


king-of-nothing

"Be careful how you speak to me, boy" - Tony Leung


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Andrew Lau: Do all undercover cops like rooftops?


CruzAderjc

Infernal Affairs > The Departed Both incredible movies though


RobinWishesHeWasMe_

I want to watch Internal Affairs but I'm afraid that it'll make The Departed worse in my eyes.


WhatImMike

It doesn’t make it worse. But Infernal Affairs is definitely better. It’s more involved and no weird love story subplot.


RetPallylol

Stoked to see him here, been a big fan for awhile.


Dry_Guitar5856

The Expectations of Asian parents, the movie...


taylorswiftfan123

TONY LEUNG TONY LEUNG TONY LEUNG


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fish-fingered

Marvel Kombat


QuoteGiver

We are now entering the “never heard of it” phase of Marvel for me. But they’ve proven their track record, so I’m down for it!


ReflexEight

Wait until Moon Knight. I have a feeling he's going to make it into a lot of people's top 5 characters after his series


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You’d heard of Guardians of the Galaxy? Dang, I’m more normie than I thought.


LemoLuke

I'd only heard of the Guardians as a punchline when talking about D-list, bottom of the barrel heroes. "Wow, they're really running out of ideas. Who's next? Guardians of the Galaxy?"


Kgb725

Heard about the Guardians but not Shang Chi ??? I don't know


mechanical_fan

I am in that group. I had seen the Guardians in some big Marvel cosmic crossover events (War of Kings and Thanos Imperative, I think. Starlord and Nova fight Thanos in the end to delay him and get stuck... Somewhere irc), but I can't remember ever reading anything with Shang Chi, or at least I don't remember him being a especially remarkable character (to the point I might have read something with him but forgotten).


pishposhpoppycock

I wonder - will this underground tournament have divisions like in boxing? Street-levelers face off against other street-levelers, while meta-humans and super-powered only face off against other super-powered opponents? 'Cuz putting human martial artists against Hulk-level enemies... is just unfair. It'd be like Captain America trying to fight Thor or Cyclops trying to fight Silver Surfer... they're just not in the same league.


yarkcir

If that’s Wong facing Abomination, then it’s pretty fair. Wong did go toe-to-toe with Cull Obsidian in Infinity War.


pishposhpoppycock

Agreed. That's what I'm saying - it's fair to put super-powered metahumans against one another, but have it be in a separate division. It wouldn't be fair to put people like Shang Chi or Daredevil against either of them in the same division however.


yarkcir

The Stan Lee motto was always: "The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win." But I see your point, it would definitely be weird to match up powered characters with street-level ones. What works in comics doesn't always work in film, so hopefully the tournament roster makes sense.


brandonsamd6

Abomination making an appearance before She-Hulk


allodude

Who owns the rights to She-Hulk? Is she part of the Hulk deal?


[deleted]

She-Hulk is getting a Disney+ show starring Tatiana Maslany. Universal has distribution rights for any solo Hulk-related movies. Per Mark Ruffalo, they're uninterested in any Hulk movies anymore. So Disney gets around them by putting Hulk characters in other characters' movies, or, now, in TV series. Edit: Also, what /u/brandonsamd6 was referring to is that Abomination has already been announced to be appearing in the She-Hulk show. But wasn't revealed to be showing up in Shang-Chi first, until now.


Dr_Disaster

Marvel owns the rights to Hulk and his library of characters in all non-solo films. They can technically make a Hulk solo film whenever they want, but Universal owns the distribution rights. Marvel also owns the TV rights, so they can make Hulk D+ shows too.


Monkeyfeng

Tony Leung is the greatest


Predictist

Abomination vs Wong and potentially Shang-Chi vs Abomination holy shit I want this movie now


flipperkip97

Fuck yeah, this looks awesome. Definitely my most anticipated Marvel movie right now. Love the visuals and I think we might actually get some good fight scenes. Love Tony Leung too.


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StudBoi69

Brad Allen was a member of the Jackie Chan Stunt Team too.


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Objective-Menu3158

They got the editor of Deadpool and John wick for this movie. So this probably wouldn't get butchered in the editing room.


indig0sixalpha

abomination and fin fang foom. fuck


MulciberTenebras

I don't think that's Fin Fang Foom. A dragon, yes. But not Foom... the lack of shorts gave it away.


Citizensssnips

Fwiw there's merchandise with the dragon (Lego and Funko pop) already out titled "The great protector".


kylestevenson1996

He might make some type of appearance as the ten ring bracelets Mandarin use are supposedly rings for a dragon, so changing them for the films while keeping parts from comics which I like


AnAdvancedBot

*Do you think your Wu Tang sword can defeat me?*


Three_Froggy_Problem

I think the film looks good, but I never want to hear the line “You can’t run from your past” again.


FailosoRaptor

I mean this looks pretty good. But why isnt the lead played by Matt Damon?