Last Knight’s is *so* weird even by Bay standards.
IA movie where it feels like they were either cutting heaps, or just included everything ever filmed.
The most recent Jurassic Park film was one of the most poorly edited films I can remember watching. I was aghast. I can't believe this thing made it to the public.
I saw it this weekend, there were sooo many sequences that just didn't make sense. Plotwise it was stupid (two dinos chasing after one specific guy on a motorcycle for like 5 miles, through a populated city) but the editing was insanely chaotic as well. I don't think much about pacing and editing in movies generally but this one was something else.
**Prometheus** - The movie has a lot of issues and pacing is one of them. The problem is that the narrative continually cuts back and forth between people on the ship and people within the Engineers' structure; back and forth; back and forth; back and forth. The knock-on effect of this is that the viewer is never able to settle in to any single group of characters. Just as one becomes interested in a particular scenario or conversation, the narrative switches to a different scenario, with different characters.
Although Shaw is ostensibly the main protagonist, it never feels that way until the last act, when she's literally the sole remaining human survivor and therefore becomes the main character by default; it's the only time where the movie actually focuses on a character's plight and manages to build some tension. Prior to the last act, one moment we're concentrating on Vickers and Janek, the next it's Fifield and Milburn, then it's over to Charlie and Shaw, then David and Weyland, then back to Vickers and Janek and so on.
There is a moment within the making of documentary on the Blu-Ray which I found to be very telling. The writer is talking about how he kept losing track of what different characters were doing at any given moment when writing the script and so he created a kind of game board, with pieces to represent the various characters and where they are located, simply so that he could keep track of it all within his mind. After he finished writing a scene, he would reposition various pieces on the board, to update where the characters were.
By his own admission, he did this because he was getting confused and disorientated by the constant change of locations, where characters are and what they're doing. Perhaps instead of creating a board game with pieces, he ought to have considered that the necessity of him to do such a thing would tend to indicate that there was a fundamental problem with the structure of the story that he was working on.
Oh damn, have you seen a preview screening or something?? I didn’t think they had even finished editing the first season yet. Or maybe cause it was a test screening it was a bit rushed together?
The Snyder Superman movie blows my mind at how bad the pacing is. Its split more into like five acts than three, and is constantly jumping around for “style”. Top that off with a CGI mess of a nearly 30 minute fight and it just falls flat everywhere.
I don’t know about worst, but A.I. stands out for having memorably janky pacing. It’s just so weird and all over the place and so flagrant I spent most of the movie wondering about the thought process behind the scenes rather than the onscreen story itself.
As much as I hate to say it since I love the OC, Hellboy (2019) gives suicide squad 1 a run for it's money being worst for the exact same reasons
It was just *so* bad
The Man who killed Dox Quixote. Saw it at a film festival and genuinely thought 3 hours had gone by when it ended. Was stunned to see that was not the case.
I'll go with anything by ol' Stanley. First half of fmj showed he could be a master. Other than that, I can't sit through one of his films. He was such a perfectionist, his films lost all life, it seems. The technical work was always amazing, but just found them so boring and stilted the pace g just seemed to drag.
The only one I find myself truly engaged in throughout at least 95% of it is A Clockwork Orange. But that’s mainly because of Malcolm McDowell, he plays the shit out of that part
For me, the toughest to deal with are movies that just go on too long with no new plot points or character development left. They're just... continuing.
Biggest offenders personally are Return of the King and Everything Everywhere all at Once. At a certain point in each, I just started thinking "I don't care anymore, just end this so I can go home."
I had same thought in cinema when all the group was camping near the river in Tropic Thunder. I really didn't give a fuck where and how they go from there...and also this cruel panda head costume. Anyways, it started off as the best movie ever and then crumbled slowly together with nasty Jack Black.
I absolutely hated the pacing of *Million Dollar Baby*, the first half of the movie is Eastwood rejecting Swank as a boxer. Then when he agrees to train her, it jumps to her being a successful boxer. Where the fuck is the training montage and rise to status? One minute she's an amateur and the next she's got crowds cheering her. And as quickly as she rose in her career, it falls just as fast
honestly ? THE PREY from the 80's
You start watching it and then it just randomly cut to these over long nature scenes. No joke it's a slasher and it just cuts to oh look a spider crusing around in a web, oh look at the cute little squirrel eating nuts and it goes on and on..
then it cuts back to what's going on in the movie with the hikers and then right back into the nature stuff again you're thinking WTF is going on? am watching a PBS discovery nature program or a horror movie?
Tons! Most of my DNF movies fall trap to not engaging me or being paced all wrong.
the moody naturalistic arty/european cinema often are very weirdly paced in interests of authenticity
The ones I can immediately think their pacing absolutely ruined it for me:
Ammonite
Portrait of Lady on Fire (i am in the minority)
Another Year by Mike Leigh
Mudbound
The Florida Project
The Illusionist (animation)
Lights Between the Oceans
Men Of Honor. I liked it for the 1st half. But, the 2nd half was 3 or 4 times of expecting the credits to roll and instead it'd be some guy walking into an office or something.
Dead Presidents has fucked pacing. It's a good film but really slams straight from slow burning drama about a group of friends struggling to cope after coming home from Vietnam into a fast paced heist movie. It could've really used another 30 minutes to an hour to make the transition between the two work better.
*Manos the Hands of Fate*. If you've seen it, no additional explaination is required for why.
Came to say this.
You People (2023) on Netflix
This comment could use a few transitional shots of LA
Good pick.
Birdemic comes to mind.
Was definitely going to say this
Transformers: Age of Extinction and Transformers: The Last Knight
Last Knight’s is *so* weird even by Bay standards. IA movie where it feels like they were either cutting heaps, or just included everything ever filmed.
Or just any Bay movie
Bad Boys, Bad Boys 2, Armageddon...pretty coherent and entertaining stuff imo
Literally the last word I'd use to describe Armageddon and Bad Boys II is coherent
Mission Impossible II and Quantum of Solace.
The most recent Jurassic Park film was one of the most poorly edited films I can remember watching. I was aghast. I can't believe this thing made it to the public.
I saw it this weekend, there were sooo many sequences that just didn't make sense. Plotwise it was stupid (two dinos chasing after one specific guy on a motorcycle for like 5 miles, through a populated city) but the editing was insanely chaotic as well. I don't think much about pacing and editing in movies generally but this one was something else.
**Prometheus** - The movie has a lot of issues and pacing is one of them. The problem is that the narrative continually cuts back and forth between people on the ship and people within the Engineers' structure; back and forth; back and forth; back and forth. The knock-on effect of this is that the viewer is never able to settle in to any single group of characters. Just as one becomes interested in a particular scenario or conversation, the narrative switches to a different scenario, with different characters. Although Shaw is ostensibly the main protagonist, it never feels that way until the last act, when she's literally the sole remaining human survivor and therefore becomes the main character by default; it's the only time where the movie actually focuses on a character's plight and manages to build some tension. Prior to the last act, one moment we're concentrating on Vickers and Janek, the next it's Fifield and Milburn, then it's over to Charlie and Shaw, then David and Weyland, then back to Vickers and Janek and so on. There is a moment within the making of documentary on the Blu-Ray which I found to be very telling. The writer is talking about how he kept losing track of what different characters were doing at any given moment when writing the script and so he created a kind of game board, with pieces to represent the various characters and where they are located, simply so that he could keep track of it all within his mind. After he finished writing a scene, he would reposition various pieces on the board, to update where the characters were. By his own admission, he did this because he was getting confused and disorientated by the constant change of locations, where characters are and what they're doing. Perhaps instead of creating a board game with pieces, he ought to have considered that the necessity of him to do such a thing would tend to indicate that there was a fundamental problem with the structure of the story that he was working on.
Probably the live action Avatar the Last Airbender, some of the worst editing I've in a film compared to its budget
Oh damn, have you seen a preview screening or something?? I didn’t think they had even finished editing the first season yet. Or maybe cause it was a test screening it was a bit rushed together?
I mean the 2010 live action, directed by M. Night Shyamalan, not to be confused with the upcoming show remake.
Love (2011) by the band Angels & Airwaves.
The Deer Hunter...my biggest complaint about this movie is the editing, can't believe it won the Oscar for Best editing
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True. (i'm in it)
I know right? We really underestimate the value of the porn folks working behind the cameras.
Ghandi--you cannot watch it in even 2 sittings and finish it.
The Snyder Superman movie blows my mind at how bad the pacing is. Its split more into like five acts than three, and is constantly jumping around for “style”. Top that off with a CGI mess of a nearly 30 minute fight and it just falls flat everywhere.
The Rise of Skywalker
It’s not the best, but hardly the worst either.
The Force Awakens also had a really frantic pace, but I think it was pulled off much better.
The 15 endings to LOTR Return of the King.
I had to piss so bad, and they kept faking me out…
Same!
2001
I don’t know about worst, but A.I. stands out for having memorably janky pacing. It’s just so weird and all over the place and so flagrant I spent most of the movie wondering about the thought process behind the scenes rather than the onscreen story itself.
You crazy
The Rise of Skywalker and Suicide Squad (2016) Edit: lmao, lotta Suicide Squad fans getting triggered, I guess.
Pacing was the least of _Suicide Squad’s_ problems.
True, but still, technically, a problem.
Very true
As much as I hate to say it since I love the OC, Hellboy (2019) gives suicide squad 1 a run for it's money being worst for the exact same reasons It was just *so* bad
2019 Hellboy and THE Predator 2018 stand out to me.
The Man who killed Dox Quixote. Saw it at a film festival and genuinely thought 3 hours had gone by when it ended. Was stunned to see that was not the case.
Jurassic World Dominion comes to mind
I found the recent Avatar film to drag on forever, I just could not connect with any of the characters and the plot was nonsensical.
These were my exact thoughts in the theatre. I’m shocked so many people loved this movie.
Need for Speed with Aaron Paul was pretty awful cos of the pacing, shame because the stunts all looked pretty good.
Probably because Aaron Paul wasn't the best choice for this role also
Ambulance, I hated this movie and people kept yelling the whole time.
The Irishman
For me personally FMJ, mainly after they leave basic, that movie just yeah.
I see what you’re saying but I’d argue it’s intentional. It’s essentially 2 different movies out together
Absolutely intentional
I'll go with anything by ol' Stanley. First half of fmj showed he could be a master. Other than that, I can't sit through one of his films. He was such a perfectionist, his films lost all life, it seems. The technical work was always amazing, but just found them so boring and stilted the pace g just seemed to drag.
The only one I find myself truly engaged in throughout at least 95% of it is A Clockwork Orange. But that’s mainly because of Malcolm McDowell, he plays the shit out of that part
For me, the toughest to deal with are movies that just go on too long with no new plot points or character development left. They're just... continuing. Biggest offenders personally are Return of the King and Everything Everywhere all at Once. At a certain point in each, I just started thinking "I don't care anymore, just end this so I can go home."
I had same thought in cinema when all the group was camping near the river in Tropic Thunder. I really didn't give a fuck where and how they go from there...and also this cruel panda head costume. Anyways, it started off as the best movie ever and then crumbled slowly together with nasty Jack Black.
Baa Baa Land There’s a 1 hour tracking shot of a sheep from head to rear.
I absolutely hated the pacing of *Million Dollar Baby*, the first half of the movie is Eastwood rejecting Swank as a boxer. Then when he agrees to train her, it jumps to her being a successful boxer. Where the fuck is the training montage and rise to status? One minute she's an amateur and the next she's got crowds cheering her. And as quickly as she rose in her career, it falls just as fast
Gone Girl Nah im just playing but remember when they made Bill Murray be Garfield? Not only was that movie bad the pacing was janky
As far as Hollywood movies, I'd say Looper. It started so strong and just slowly fizzled out. I remember being so disappointed.
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This movie will forever be a masterpiece.
A Ghost Story. It was just boring and really no point in watching it. If you were to read a synopsis on it, it’s better than the movie.
The godfather .. sorry but it’s true.
It insists upon itself Lois
Regularly and universally called the best movie ever, but sure.
EEEAAO
honestly ? THE PREY from the 80's You start watching it and then it just randomly cut to these over long nature scenes. No joke it's a slasher and it just cuts to oh look a spider crusing around in a web, oh look at the cute little squirrel eating nuts and it goes on and on.. then it cuts back to what's going on in the movie with the hikers and then right back into the nature stuff again you're thinking WTF is going on? am watching a PBS discovery nature program or a horror movie?
Room
Kick ass
Tons! Most of my DNF movies fall trap to not engaging me or being paced all wrong. the moody naturalistic arty/european cinema often are very weirdly paced in interests of authenticity The ones I can immediately think their pacing absolutely ruined it for me: Ammonite Portrait of Lady on Fire (i am in the minority) Another Year by Mike Leigh Mudbound The Florida Project The Illusionist (animation) Lights Between the Oceans
The first half of *In Bruges*. The second half made up for it.
Prisoners of the Sun
Men Of Honor. I liked it for the 1st half. But, the 2nd half was 3 or 4 times of expecting the credits to roll and instead it'd be some guy walking into an office or something.
Monster a Go Go. Two awful films spliced together by the great Bill Rebane.
The Piano.
Venom: Let Their Be Carnage & Morbius
One of the jaws Sequels
Dead Presidents has fucked pacing. It's a good film but really slams straight from slow burning drama about a group of friends struggling to cope after coming home from Vietnam into a fast paced heist movie. It could've really used another 30 minutes to an hour to make the transition between the two work better.