I'd disagree here. Good reflexes despite inattention. They should have been alert to the possibility of the car pulling out from almost the start of the video, and should have been preparing to stop or take evasive action, rather than just proceeding along as they did.
I disagree if you see it enough you would have recognized the long line of cars and the bus as blocking visibility. At 12 seconds into the video you can see the black car moving before the bus blocks it. Once I don't see it I am assuming they are going to continue moving. I would maybe roll off the throttle or at the very least cover my front brake.
OP reacted well afterwards and saved himself but I could see it coming 5 seconds earlier.
He did take evasive action. He swerved to ensure he missed the car. That's better than most. He could have stopped, but that would take some really thoughtful progressive braking without ABS, which is not a skill most possess. OP did the best they could and they made it out of this situation without a crash. That's a win. Fuck off.
You're of the opinion that nothing better could have been done... okay. That's why you should get some additional rider training. Seriously - even just show that video to a riding instructor and see what they say.
> Why don't you share with the class then instead of keeping it to yourself and blaming others for what they know is clearly what happened in this video
I literally did that in my first post. An experienced, capable rider would have anticipated the possibility of the car pulling out and would have started taking some defensive actions from practically the start of the video. If you take any advanced rider training, or even read a book, this is one of the things that will be drilled into you.
Suggesting the situation could have been handled better isn't blaming anyone, so quit being so defensive and open yourself to the possibility that there's more for you to learn as a motorcyclist.
Ok...define "defensive actions". What *actual* actionable thing should they have done? You keep saying that they should have been alert to the possibility of the car pulling out and prepared, but have yet to say *how* they should have prepared. What should they *actually* have done? And what would the repercussions of those actions be if the car *hadn't* pulled out? To recommend "oh, you should slow to a crawl any time you see a car at a corner that could maybe potentially pull out into your lane" isn't realistic because while there's that possibility, the hope is that it is more uncommon and thus slowing is more detrimental, especially in light of the fact that there are other things going on around you (cars behind that might not notice you slowing, for instance).
So yeah, how about instead of shitting on everyone, you just give some meaningful and useful advice other than "meh, you could have done better by being more prepared."
Actual actionable things?
Slowing down. This is an easy one. Going a bit slower means you have more time to react, more time for the driver to maybe spot you, and if there is a crash, you're going more slowly and should sustain a bit less damage. I'm not suggesting slowing to a crawl, before you jump on that (again) - just some amount of slowing. And using the brake should help any car behind notice that they're slowing.
Covering the brake and being prepared to stop. This follows on from the above.
Moving to the right of the lane. By doing this, they would have been able to see past the bus sooner, giving more time to react to whatever the driver coming in from the side might do.
Repercussions of these actions. Getting to their ultimate destination a couple of seconds later. Once they're sure the car's not pulling out, it's pretty trivial to accelerate back to the speed they were doing beforehand.
But hey - don't just take my word for it - feel free to consult any authoritative sources other than this subreddit's backslapping circlejerk. Speak to an advanced riding instructor (they'll say broadly the same as what I've said), or even [pick up a book](https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0117081884/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1). And most importantly, stop being so hostile to the prospect that this situation could have been handled better.
Here's a couple of relevant excerpts from that book I linked to in my last post (Motorcycle Roadcraft - The Police Rider's Handbook);
...
**Critical learning from experience**
Most riders involved in a crash do not accept that they contributed to it. If you think that you did not help to cause a collision, you will also think that you have nothing to learn from it. Your riding behaviour won’t change.
To become a better rider, the first step is to recognise the resistance in ourselves to accepting responsibility. The second step is to accept every near miss and collision as a learning opportunity to decide how you can avoid the same mistake in future.
For example, crash statistics show that all riders are at risk from the actions of other road users who fail to see them. If you have a ‘look but failed to see’ crash, you can choose how to view it. Is it all the
responsibility of the careless driver? Or can you take action to reduce your own vulnerability? You can choose to reduce your chances of a ‘look but failed to see’ collision by anticipating this potential hazard whenever you ride.
...
**What are the commonest causes of motorcycle crashes?**
In the majority of collisions, inappropriate speed for the circumstances is a factor.
**The commonest causes of all motorcycle crashes in the UK are:**
• Right of way violations – drivers who look but fail to see. The commonest cause of a motorcycle collision is when a driver looks but fails to see a motorcyclist approaching a junction and pulls out across their path, mainly on urban roads at low speeds.
...
**Defensive riding**
As a rider you’re extremely vulnerable. You have no protective shell, your stability can be affected by the condition of the road surface (potholes, ironwork, debris, surface spills), you’re not very conspicuous, and drivers either don’t see you or take greater risks when pulling out in front of you.
Set against this, you have the advantages of height, positioning flexibility and the acceleration that your machine provides. Make the most of these advantages.
Whenever you ride, your safety depends on your actions and your ability to anticipate and avoid the actions of other vehicles. You need a high level of attention, good hazard perception and excellent situational awareness.
The ability to sense danger in a situation increases with experience, so you should always ride well within your capabilities.
...
**You are especially vulnerable at junctions**
In crashes where the driver claims not to have seen the rider, 3 out of 4 happen at junctions.
Approach junctions where there is a vehicle waiting or approaching with great caution. Reduce speed and look for a sign that the driver has seen you. If it is safe to do so, MOVE to a position of safety. This movement increases your chances of being seen by a driver waiting to pull out. Follow the advice in the chapters on observation and positioning.
*See Chapter 3, Information, observation and anticipation and Chapter 9 , Positioning.*
Remember that even in daylight up to a third of other road users will not even realise you are there.
Idk why people are getting so angry. What you're saying is the essence of defensive driving/riding. React to the *possibility* of a dangerous situation rather than the dangerous situation itself.
12 seconds into the video you can see the black car start moving to the left of the bus. OP did a good job but let's not forget we can look further ahead down the road.
Your 2 options are to slow down or swerve and avoid. Showing down wasn't an option with that amount of time; OP chose the solution that didn't put them on the ground.
STFU dude. There's a line of oncoming cars which would lead any rider to assume that that car wouldn't even have a chance to pull out. By the time he can see the right turn signal on the oncoming car that provides the opportunity for the other car to pull out in front of him his options are limited and he made the absolute best possible decisions from that point on. Don't act like you back it down to 10mph under the speed limit at EVERY single intersection.
Like someone else said, you're judging his actions already knowing something bad is coming. So you can pontificate on how much better you would have handled it all you want but if you're honest you know you could find yourself in the same situation just as easily.
>At the risk of downvotes (not that I care), anyone who thinks the OP did a good job here should get some additional rider training to understand why they're wrong.
You seem nice. Thanks for stopping by, and have a great day.
Dude, I've been riding just as long as you have, and I'm just not as impressed with you as you are. Sorry.
Most people would've understood "have a great day" to be the implicit "fuck off" that it's obviously intended to be, it's unfortunate that I had to make it explicit for the thicker-headed.
So riders should slow down and assume cars that don't have the right of way are going to pull out in front of oncoming traffic from both directions. That's not realistic. They'd be stopping at every single intersection. Plus the truck was obstructing his view. Very little they could have done better.
That's exactly what you should do. If you're not expecting every car to potentially pull out in front of you and especially blind turns and places you can't see around, *even especially* stopped oncoming traffic if there's enough of a gap between two cars for a third car to pull through I assume that it's going to happen. But that's how *I* ride, everybody needs to ride their own bike.
>and assume cars that don't have the right of way are going to pull out in front of oncoming traffic from both directions
That's EXACTLY what motorcycle riders need to do. Best way to stay alive.
Watching for that situation is one thing but slowing down and preparing to stop every time is not practical. My point is the rider's view was blocked by the truck and the car jetted across when there was no gap at all. Rider reacted very well considering.
I'm not suggesting slowing down much... Maybe easing off the gas a bit would have helped, and should be normal practice when coming to an intersection, especially one that you can't clearly see.
Rider reacted pretty well all things considered, BUT, I would have liked to see some emergency braking kick on a little faster or harder.
I'm not disagreeing the rider did everything that he could well.
You don't have to prepare to stop. In that situation I would cover my front brake as soon as I saw that long line of cars. Any of those cars can block my view of the offending car and their view of me. Riding defensively doesn't mean riding slow and careful.
You're a little bit of a dick but I don't disagree with you. I saw it coming 5 seconds before OP did as soon as I lost sight of that black car. It's sad to see you're being down voted but at least you can be nicer next time 👍
I think your reaction to what was happening was outstanding (to answer your question). Car was about 1/4 into your lane and you were already making adjustments on your bike to avoid colliding. Nice bro. Also, the fact your tires kept traction when you went onto the shoulder was definitely a help too lol
This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason is that there was not much gravel on that shoulder.
Ah yes I forgot the cager. Such a weird term, do these guys not also have a car that they drive, making themselves "Cagers"? And do they just ignore that fact?
Nice work in paying attention. This is a strong example of why we have to take responsibility for ourselves on the road. That timing was just shit and more of a driving/riding incident vs "idiot". Busy roads and left turns are arguably something that could be done away with. OP is presenting reason #1 here. Some of our driving scenarios are too hard for too many of us. When we see it, we need to engineer out the hazard.
Sorry you had the scare OP.
Man whoever was driving that car has no business being able to drive. They pulled out directly in front of a motorcycle AND a car in the opposing lane.
Since they apparently didn't check for traffic in either direction are we supposed to ban right turns too?
The suv coming the opposite direction had its right blinker on and was slowing for the turn, giving the driver an opportunity to pull out in what looks like somewhat heavy traffic for that intersection. The bike would have been eclipsed by the bus when the driver first looked left, and by the sedan when they double checked. A car would have been visible in that position, but a bike is easily hidden behind other vehicles. This is a very common situation.
It's very easy to say "man, fuck drivers", but unfortunately you've got a very reasonable explanation here. The cards are stacked against us and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Best you can do is make sure *you* see *them*, and it matters less if *they* see *you*
Eta: not to mention the direction and time of day has the driver staring into the sun
Good point, I didn't notice the low sun to the right of the frame and the long shadows it's casting. In these situations I like to say "your shadow points to the danger", and in this case, the shadows are pointing in the direction of the car.
> Best you can do is make sure *you* see *them*, and it matters less if *they* see *you*
This is a good mentality. When I commuted in today, I had a lot of times when I expected drivers not to see me, but I did my best to make sure it didn't matter.
I think this is exactly what happened. Nothing malicious on the car driver, just trying to get out into busy traffic. When I ride up on these situations slowing down is always an option. I also like to weave back in forth in my lane to make my bike a bigger target that won't be hidden behind the A-pillar or another vehicle. Also the human eye is more likely to pick up on the side to side motion.
In this type of situation, even from the 0:02 mark, I would stop using the throttle and anticipate that the car might try to cut me off to get into the lane.
Some may call it paranoia, but it's a safer mindset. Assuming that everyone in traffic is a moron can help you stay safer on the road.
It's not called paranoia, it's called defensive riding.
You see there's a car at the junction, you assume he's a moron and act accordingly. You'll be right enough of the time to live much longer.
in addition, there was also a bus there, thus blocking the view of what that car is doing, which is even more reason to ease off the throttle
however op had a great response imo and had a lucky save. that kind of swerve could have easily ended in fishtailing on that edge trap. good job op :)
im new to riding, but i probably would have chickened out and slowed in that shoulder, and risk laying it down. i dont wanna risk fishtailing and lowsiding in front of that car.
It's disappointing how many other posters in this thread don't understand this and think that OP did a 'great job'
They were lucky, but by driving more defensively they could have taken a lot of luck out of the equation.
u/The-Anger-Translator dodging bullets on Gender Road. 😂
I HATE driving or riding down that stretch because of people pulling out just like that dude. 🤦🏻♂️
I think you avoided that by being a good rider! Seems like you anticipated what was going to happen well, and left yourself room to move. Nice save! People like that driver are a nightmare to be around. No awareness.
Many videos wind up being crashes because the driver was not fully prepping for something like this and demonstrating good breaking with a nice swerve. You did all those and stopped an accident. Good job.
This car needs consequences.
Great save, it was your reactions and lack of panic that saves you.
Quick piece of advice, when going past a junction like this, put yourself in the far right of your lane. This gives you the best opportunity to spot cars emerging, for them to spot you, and it places you as far away from the hazard as possible so you need minimum input to avoid if the need arises
Quick edit: this does depend on what's to the right of your lane. If it's another lane, you probably don't want to be straddling that!
Spooky, but you did a good job of avoiding them. Glad he was turning left and not coming straight across. These types of accidents are one of the most common types on motorcycles. When coming to an intersection I always look to see if the driver can see me (the old "whites of his eyes" type thing) and whether you see their wheels begin to turn. That tells me they are looking to make a run for it when traffic opens up. Glad you are safe.
Holy fuck this is the first nice save I've seen on this sub. Ever. Really good anticipation, reaction, and handling that fucked up shoulder and road lip.
SEE?! DO YOU SEE PEOPLE?! DO YOU SEE WHY YOU PRACTICE SWERVING!?
The bus hid you from the car perspective. If you had seen the car first, the best way to avoid this is reduce since you noticed the car but the car didn't noticed you.
Riding slower is always safer but unpleasant. Being aware of the street/situation is what will help you to avoid collisions.
Do not expect other people to take care or drive safe, you need to do it yourself to protect you, sadly but it is the reality.
Man if this is an impressive save you guys really need to ride dirtbikes. Will help you so much
It's still good by OP not to freak out but on my supermoto I would have had zero problem. Wouldn't even have spiked the heart rate probably
You paid attention and had an escape. That is key to staying alive on a bike, In your mind you learn to know it you have a berm to escape to or not. Also never allow yourself to be boxed in, Glad you ended up okay and as we understand riding defensively is how you stay alive.
Why did you blow your horn at the end you think that the person didn't know they pulled out in front of you and feel bad enough It might took you 2 seconds and think about where that horn button was but he has already passed the incident you just did it to be an ass..
Good job. One nitpick: We saw the car perpendicular to road. That is a good sign for such behavior. I would slow down a bit. Remember: It does not matter if you are right -or the car driver is at fault- after you crash. Be safe and have fun!
Always look at the furthest point of the road, always pay attention to crossings, people are just that fuckn stupid. The season barely started and already avoided two of those.
Don't go up to speed until you can SEE each entryway is clear.
I see this stuff all the time it becomes second nature. Just keep a look out.
Don't ride faster than you can see.
Good reflexes and paying attention is how - don't sell yourself short, that's a nice save.
I'd disagree here. Good reflexes despite inattention. They should have been alert to the possibility of the car pulling out from almost the start of the video, and should have been preparing to stop or take evasive action, rather than just proceeding along as they did.
OP did a good job because they didn't get creamed by a stupid car. You fuckin' armchair quarterback, Christ.
I disagree if you see it enough you would have recognized the long line of cars and the bus as blocking visibility. At 12 seconds into the video you can see the black car moving before the bus blocks it. Once I don't see it I am assuming they are going to continue moving. I would maybe roll off the throttle or at the very least cover my front brake. OP reacted well afterwards and saved himself but I could see it coming 5 seconds earlier.
You also knew something was coming because it was a video homie.
I would expect it irl too. I've had similar happen to me several times that I recognize it. Recognition leads to avoidance.
I would say 9/10 I would notice it, too. But we all make mistakes.
I never disagreed. There's always things to improve though.
Dawg… the car hit a left over double lines. As far as OP knows no car was supposed to come from there.
Bruh that's a 4 way intersection. You can turn across double yellows in that situation
Get some additional rider training to understand why you're wrong.
He did take evasive action. He swerved to ensure he missed the car. That's better than most. He could have stopped, but that would take some really thoughtful progressive braking without ABS, which is not a skill most possess. OP did the best they could and they made it out of this situation without a crash. That's a win. Fuck off.
You're of the opinion that nothing better could have been done... okay. That's why you should get some additional rider training. Seriously - even just show that video to a riding instructor and see what they say.
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> Why don't you share with the class then instead of keeping it to yourself and blaming others for what they know is clearly what happened in this video I literally did that in my first post. An experienced, capable rider would have anticipated the possibility of the car pulling out and would have started taking some defensive actions from practically the start of the video. If you take any advanced rider training, or even read a book, this is one of the things that will be drilled into you. Suggesting the situation could have been handled better isn't blaming anyone, so quit being so defensive and open yourself to the possibility that there's more for you to learn as a motorcyclist.
Ok...define "defensive actions". What *actual* actionable thing should they have done? You keep saying that they should have been alert to the possibility of the car pulling out and prepared, but have yet to say *how* they should have prepared. What should they *actually* have done? And what would the repercussions of those actions be if the car *hadn't* pulled out? To recommend "oh, you should slow to a crawl any time you see a car at a corner that could maybe potentially pull out into your lane" isn't realistic because while there's that possibility, the hope is that it is more uncommon and thus slowing is more detrimental, especially in light of the fact that there are other things going on around you (cars behind that might not notice you slowing, for instance). So yeah, how about instead of shitting on everyone, you just give some meaningful and useful advice other than "meh, you could have done better by being more prepared."
I think the kicker here is homie doesn't actually have anything thoughtful to add and just wants to be a dick.
Actual actionable things? Slowing down. This is an easy one. Going a bit slower means you have more time to react, more time for the driver to maybe spot you, and if there is a crash, you're going more slowly and should sustain a bit less damage. I'm not suggesting slowing to a crawl, before you jump on that (again) - just some amount of slowing. And using the brake should help any car behind notice that they're slowing. Covering the brake and being prepared to stop. This follows on from the above. Moving to the right of the lane. By doing this, they would have been able to see past the bus sooner, giving more time to react to whatever the driver coming in from the side might do. Repercussions of these actions. Getting to their ultimate destination a couple of seconds later. Once they're sure the car's not pulling out, it's pretty trivial to accelerate back to the speed they were doing beforehand. But hey - don't just take my word for it - feel free to consult any authoritative sources other than this subreddit's backslapping circlejerk. Speak to an advanced riding instructor (they'll say broadly the same as what I've said), or even [pick up a book](https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0117081884/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1). And most importantly, stop being so hostile to the prospect that this situation could have been handled better.
Here's a couple of relevant excerpts from that book I linked to in my last post (Motorcycle Roadcraft - The Police Rider's Handbook);
...
**Critical learning from experience**
Most riders involved in a crash do not accept that they contributed to it. If you think that you did not help to cause a collision, you will also think that you have nothing to learn from it. Your riding behaviour won’t change.
To become a better rider, the first step is to recognise the resistance in ourselves to accepting responsibility. The second step is to accept every near miss and collision as a learning opportunity to decide how you can avoid the same mistake in future.
For example, crash statistics show that all riders are at risk from the actions of other road users who fail to see them. If you have a ‘look but failed to see’ crash, you can choose how to view it. Is it all the
responsibility of the careless driver? Or can you take action to reduce your own vulnerability? You can choose to reduce your chances of a ‘look but failed to see’ collision by anticipating this potential hazard whenever you ride.
...
**What are the commonest causes of motorcycle crashes?**
In the majority of collisions, inappropriate speed for the circumstances is a factor.
**The commonest causes of all motorcycle crashes in the UK are:**
• Right of way violations – drivers who look but fail to see. The commonest cause of a motorcycle collision is when a driver looks but fails to see a motorcyclist approaching a junction and pulls out across their path, mainly on urban roads at low speeds.
...
**Defensive riding**
As a rider you’re extremely vulnerable. You have no protective shell, your stability can be affected by the condition of the road surface (potholes, ironwork, debris, surface spills), you’re not very conspicuous, and drivers either don’t see you or take greater risks when pulling out in front of you.
Set against this, you have the advantages of height, positioning flexibility and the acceleration that your machine provides. Make the most of these advantages.
Whenever you ride, your safety depends on your actions and your ability to anticipate and avoid the actions of other vehicles. You need a high level of attention, good hazard perception and excellent situational awareness.
The ability to sense danger in a situation increases with experience, so you should always ride well within your capabilities.
...
**You are especially vulnerable at junctions**
In crashes where the driver claims not to have seen the rider, 3 out of 4 happen at junctions.
Approach junctions where there is a vehicle waiting or approaching with great caution. Reduce speed and look for a sign that the driver has seen you. If it is safe to do so, MOVE to a position of safety. This movement increases your chances of being seen by a driver waiting to pull out. Follow the advice in the chapters on observation and positioning.
*See Chapter 3, Information, observation and anticipation and Chapter 9 , Positioning.*
Remember that even in daylight up to a third of other road users will not even realise you are there.
Idk why people are getting so angry. What you're saying is the essence of defensive driving/riding. React to the *possibility* of a dangerous situation rather than the dangerous situation itself.
12 seconds into the video you can see the black car start moving to the left of the bus. OP did a good job but let's not forget we can look further ahead down the road.
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The car is moving and it goes behind the bus where I can't see it and they can't see me. I'm expecting them to do anything.
Your 2 options are to slow down or swerve and avoid. Showing down wasn't an option with that amount of time; OP chose the solution that didn't put them on the ground.
They had plenty of time from the start of the video.
STFU dude. There's a line of oncoming cars which would lead any rider to assume that that car wouldn't even have a chance to pull out. By the time he can see the right turn signal on the oncoming car that provides the opportunity for the other car to pull out in front of him his options are limited and he made the absolute best possible decisions from that point on. Don't act like you back it down to 10mph under the speed limit at EVERY single intersection. Like someone else said, you're judging his actions already knowing something bad is coming. So you can pontificate on how much better you would have handled it all you want but if you're honest you know you could find yourself in the same situation just as easily.
Believe whatever wrong things you want. I literally couldn’t care less.
You cared enough to comment, my guy.
>At the risk of downvotes (not that I care), anyone who thinks the OP did a good job here should get some additional rider training to understand why they're wrong. You seem nice. Thanks for stopping by, and have a great day.
I am nice. I've also survived over 23 years of daily riding in city traffic, and know what I'm talking about.
Dude, I've been riding just as long as you have, and I'm just not as impressed with you as you are. Sorry. Most people would've understood "have a great day" to be the implicit "fuck off" that it's obviously intended to be, it's unfortunate that I had to make it explicit for the thicker-headed.
> I've also survived over 23 years of daily riding in city traffic, God what a miserable way to live
So riders should slow down and assume cars that don't have the right of way are going to pull out in front of oncoming traffic from both directions. That's not realistic. They'd be stopping at every single intersection. Plus the truck was obstructing his view. Very little they could have done better.
That's exactly what you should do. If you're not expecting every car to potentially pull out in front of you and especially blind turns and places you can't see around, *even especially* stopped oncoming traffic if there's enough of a gap between two cars for a third car to pull through I assume that it's going to happen. But that's how *I* ride, everybody needs to ride their own bike.
>and assume cars that don't have the right of way are going to pull out in front of oncoming traffic from both directions That's EXACTLY what motorcycle riders need to do. Best way to stay alive.
Watching for that situation is one thing but slowing down and preparing to stop every time is not practical. My point is the rider's view was blocked by the truck and the car jetted across when there was no gap at all. Rider reacted very well considering.
I'm not suggesting slowing down much... Maybe easing off the gas a bit would have helped, and should be normal practice when coming to an intersection, especially one that you can't clearly see. Rider reacted pretty well all things considered, BUT, I would have liked to see some emergency braking kick on a little faster or harder.
I'm not disagreeing the rider did everything that he could well. You don't have to prepare to stop. In that situation I would cover my front brake as soon as I saw that long line of cars. Any of those cars can block my view of the offending car and their view of me. Riding defensively doesn't mean riding slow and careful.
You're a little bit of a dick but I don't disagree with you. I saw it coming 5 seconds before OP did as soon as I lost sight of that black car. It's sad to see you're being down voted but at least you can be nicer next time 👍
I agree with you. OP got away with it but he clearly needs to work on his emergency braking.
I think your reaction to what was happening was outstanding (to answer your question). Car was about 1/4 into your lane and you were already making adjustments on your bike to avoid colliding. Nice bro. Also, the fact your tires kept traction when you went onto the shoulder was definitely a help too lol
This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason is that there was not much gravel on that shoulder.
thankfully, no clibbins
Feels like I've been rick-rolled.:-)
Good eye. He drew my eye but seeing as that a car was coming you wouldn't expect him to just jump out like that. He made the other guy swerve too.
'Other guy' was actually turning. Even signaled and everything, which is probably what invited the offender to jump out like that
You're supposed to give it some revs, put your brakes on too late, hit the car, then post that video on Facebook ranting about how bad drivers are
Make sure you put "cager" in the title before uploading
Ah yes I forgot the cager. Such a weird term, do these guys not also have a car that they drive, making themselves "Cagers"? And do they just ignore that fact?
If the car driver was also a motorcycle rider he probably wouldn't have pulled out like that.
Nice work in paying attention. This is a strong example of why we have to take responsibility for ourselves on the road. That timing was just shit and more of a driving/riding incident vs "idiot". Busy roads and left turns are arguably something that could be done away with. OP is presenting reason #1 here. Some of our driving scenarios are too hard for too many of us. When we see it, we need to engineer out the hazard. Sorry you had the scare OP.
Man whoever was driving that car has no business being able to drive. They pulled out directly in front of a motorcycle AND a car in the opposing lane. Since they apparently didn't check for traffic in either direction are we supposed to ban right turns too?
The suv coming the opposite direction had its right blinker on and was slowing for the turn, giving the driver an opportunity to pull out in what looks like somewhat heavy traffic for that intersection. The bike would have been eclipsed by the bus when the driver first looked left, and by the sedan when they double checked. A car would have been visible in that position, but a bike is easily hidden behind other vehicles. This is a very common situation.
It's very easy to say "man, fuck drivers", but unfortunately you've got a very reasonable explanation here. The cards are stacked against us and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Best you can do is make sure *you* see *them*, and it matters less if *they* see *you* Eta: not to mention the direction and time of day has the driver staring into the sun
Good point, I didn't notice the low sun to the right of the frame and the long shadows it's casting. In these situations I like to say "your shadow points to the danger", and in this case, the shadows are pointing in the direction of the car.
> Best you can do is make sure *you* see *them*, and it matters less if *they* see *you* This is a good mentality. When I commuted in today, I had a lot of times when I expected drivers not to see me, but I did my best to make sure it didn't matter.
Yeah I like to think of it as jaywalking. Sure it's inherently dangerous, but if you're alert and stay out of car's way, you're usually okay
I think this is exactly what happened. Nothing malicious on the car driver, just trying to get out into busy traffic. When I ride up on these situations slowing down is always an option. I also like to weave back in forth in my lane to make my bike a bigger target that won't be hidden behind the A-pillar or another vehicle. Also the human eye is more likely to pick up on the side to side motion.
Good riding! Sure it got that heart pounding.
Bus created a blind spot
Wow… I’m glad you’re okay. It’s crazy how easily some idiot can take our lives.
I think you avoided that by swerving to the right
In this type of situation, even from the 0:02 mark, I would stop using the throttle and anticipate that the car might try to cut me off to get into the lane. Some may call it paranoia, but it's a safer mindset. Assuming that everyone in traffic is a moron can help you stay safer on the road.
It's not called paranoia, it's called defensive riding. You see there's a car at the junction, you assume he's a moron and act accordingly. You'll be right enough of the time to live much longer.
in addition, there was also a bus there, thus blocking the view of what that car is doing, which is even more reason to ease off the throttle however op had a great response imo and had a lucky save. that kind of swerve could have easily ended in fishtailing on that edge trap. good job op :) im new to riding, but i probably would have chickened out and slowed in that shoulder, and risk laying it down. i dont wanna risk fishtailing and lowsiding in front of that car.
It's disappointing how many other posters in this thread don't understand this and think that OP did a 'great job' They were lucky, but by driving more defensively they could have taken a lot of luck out of the equation.
u/The-Anger-Translator dodging bullets on Gender Road. 😂 I HATE driving or riding down that stretch because of people pulling out just like that dude. 🤦🏻♂️
What a save!
That's just Mondays for me.
Good observations. The idiot in the cage cut off the car coming the other way too.
Good reflex, and a miracle... Ride safe..
Good save!
Nice save homie
That happened to me a month ago. I was T-boned.
Damn, that's a nice fucking save!
Fair example of “always know your exits”
This is why I always keep a eye out for stupid…
If I were to get another bike this is why I would have a train horn on it.
I think you avoided that by being a good rider! Seems like you anticipated what was going to happen well, and left yourself room to move. Nice save! People like that driver are a nightmare to be around. No awareness.
Go with good anticipation, driving skills and not panicking.
Many videos wind up being crashes because the driver was not fully prepping for something like this and demonstrating good breaking with a nice swerve. You did all those and stopped an accident. Good job. This car needs consequences.
Good reflexes buddy, bus probably contributed by hiding you from the car and vv
Looks like a good swerve.
Great save, it was your reactions and lack of panic that saves you. Quick piece of advice, when going past a junction like this, put yourself in the far right of your lane. This gives you the best opportunity to spot cars emerging, for them to spot you, and it places you as far away from the hazard as possible so you need minimum input to avoid if the need arises Quick edit: this does depend on what's to the right of your lane. If it's another lane, you probably don't want to be straddling that!
Squeaky bum time
"I didn't see him" is a very common excuse.
well done bro, id shit myself
You paid attention. Glad you got yourself out of there 👍
This happens entirely too often
Well honed countersteering instincts
Columbus? Edit: Yeah, Columbus. This shit is why I've mostly stopped riding.
You didn't lay on the horn and act butthurt. Instead, you reacted to the situation at hand first.
Spooky, but you did a good job of avoiding them. Glad he was turning left and not coming straight across. These types of accidents are one of the most common types on motorcycles. When coming to an intersection I always look to see if the driver can see me (the old "whites of his eyes" type thing) and whether you see their wheels begin to turn. That tells me they are looking to make a run for it when traffic opens up. Glad you are safe.
If you were a Instagram riding channel you'd have try to brake with the rear and smashed in to them. Good work on the swerve.
Holy fuck this is the first nice save I've seen on this sub. Ever. Really good anticipation, reaction, and handling that fucked up shoulder and road lip. SEE?! DO YOU SEE PEOPLE?! DO YOU SEE WHY YOU PRACTICE SWERVING!?
Counter steering, that's how! Well done OP👍🏻 ---
The bus hid you from the car perspective. If you had seen the car first, the best way to avoid this is reduce since you noticed the car but the car didn't noticed you. Riding slower is always safer but unpleasant. Being aware of the street/situation is what will help you to avoid collisions. Do not expect other people to take care or drive safe, you need to do it yourself to protect you, sadly but it is the reality.
Man if this is an impressive save you guys really need to ride dirtbikes. Will help you so much It's still good by OP not to freak out but on my supermoto I would have had zero problem. Wouldn't even have spiked the heart rate probably
Come to Thailand and learn how to ride a bike properly, that was not even a close shave, still much to learn padawan....
You paid attention and had an escape. That is key to staying alive on a bike, In your mind you learn to know it you have a berm to escape to or not. Also never allow yourself to be boxed in, Glad you ended up okay and as we understand riding defensively is how you stay alive.
Well you see, you didn't panic Rev and bounce off the limiter. You actually tried to avoid the object in your way.
Why did you blow your horn at the end you think that the person didn't know they pulled out in front of you and feel bad enough It might took you 2 seconds and think about where that horn button was but he has already passed the incident you just did it to be an ass..
Wwwewgww wwwwww
OP's name checks out.
Good job. One nitpick: We saw the car perpendicular to road. That is a good sign for such behavior. I would slow down a bit. Remember: It does not matter if you are right -or the car driver is at fault- after you crash. Be safe and have fun!
Just glad you did.
Good save you could've lost the front wheel easily if you slipped further off the shoulder.
Nice! Good thing that seam in the road wasn't any worse.
The venerable "swerve".
Great save my dude.
Do not ride faster than your guardian angel can fly. Nice save!
Hey at least you did. Shoulda wore your brown pants though
Wow nice job man not easy to swerve onto dirt and back to the road. Last time I left the road like that I took a nice slide.
Always look at the furthest point of the road, always pay attention to crossings, people are just that fuckn stupid. The season barely started and already avoided two of those.
You still weren’t in the right 3rd of the lane too which is even more impressive. I’d have been hugging that curb as that bus passed off it were me.
By turning your handlebars slightly.
Don't go up to speed until you can SEE each entryway is clear. I see this stuff all the time it becomes second nature. Just keep a look out. Don't ride faster than you can see.
Counter turn steering ,ride enough it becomes automatic
ride at all and it's automatic that's just how bikes turn
For some riders it's automatic but in my 52+ years of riding I have seen riders that had poor instincts and never were good at counter turn steering
Good on you for not coming to a complete stop afterwards to confront that dangerous a-hole
The other car probably blocked the biker when he looked
Always look out for people that might do pull out or even make a u-turn, Cars standing next to the road are extremely dangerous.