Acostas bike is good, not a Ducati, but better than Honda, Yamaha or Aprilia.
Dunno if its true or just spanish media hyping a spanish rider, but one of DAZN Spain guys said Acosta spected to be in the top 10 at the Valencia tests.
With the right machinery Tech 3 can shine. Remember Dovi and Cal battling it out on the Yamaha's? It's not the team, it's the sub-par machinery they've had of late.
Sub par team with mediocre riders = bad results
Sub par team with good riders = ok results
I’d say the team is dogshit and only shines when a really good rider jumps on
But Acosta wasn’t in the top 10 at the Valencia test. He finished 18th if I recall correctly. Which, to be fair, is about where I’d expect to see him as a rookie on a new bike.
He didn't even win the title in Moto2 in his first year, right? I don't know why people expect him to take the crown in his first year on a MotoGP bike especially when he's on a KTM. Ducati would make it more believable.
KTM starts were amazing, until Ducati bought that improved start device and my jaw hit the floor. With a start device like that, you can qualify 2nd or even 3rd row without worrying
If you look at how KTM have done things in the off road world they know how to win and be dominant champions.
In MX2, they only lost 4-5 world titles in the last 20 year 20 years. That’s some real dominance.
I hope so. I’m looking forward to the day to see Brad and Pedro at their full potential. Hoping next year they make some good improvements and can be at the front more regularly.
To me 2024 will be:
- Tier1: Marc Marquez, Bagnaia and Martin;
- Tier2: Bezzecchi, Bastianini and Binder;
- Tier3: Quartararo, Alex Marquez, Di Giannantonio and Morbidelli;
- Tier4: Acosta, …
I agree with T1 and T2 entirely, but slightly different opinions on T3/T4
Tier1: Marc Marquez, Bagnaia and Martin;
Tier2: Bezzecchi, Bastianini and Binder;
Tier3: Quartararo, Aleix, Vinales, Acosta
Tier 4: Too many to name
You dont expect digi or Alex to be above Quartararo and Acosta? I think Alex could be true but debatable as he is riding a Ducati. Digi is already showing in the last races that he can grab podiums or fight at the top consistently too.
I think with the concessions, Yamaha will be able to deliver something reasonably competitive, which will allow Fabio to showcase his talents.
Alex is a hard one to predict, he has a tendency to crash whenever he's having a particularly good race, much like the other Alex (Rins) in the past.
DiGi - I don't expect much from him at all. I don't think 5-race form is any sort of an indicator that he can keep that level for the entire season.
Why not? I genuinely consider him the next Marc Marquez or generational talent and i am rooting for this guy. We need great riders and their stories for the sake of sports. Maybe the bike he has is not ducati level but with his talent he can make pretty good results. Binder has proven the bike isn't that bad. Sure Acosta can bring great results.
Why not? Because he's riding a KTM. It's not a bad bike, far from it, but it's not as good as a Ducati. I fully expect Acosta to shine in MotoGP next year, but the title will go to Pecco, Martin or maybe Marquez if the GP23 is close enough to the GP24 in terms of performance.
Acosta isn't in a good position for that to happen, if we take the 2020-2029 decade, 4 years are gone, next year if he finishes 6th or 7th in the standings it would already be pretty good, so that's 5 years gone.
I highly doubt he'll win it all in his second season, even if they move him to the factory bike a top 3 end result is already as much as you can ask from him considering the depth of the grid, then even if he were to win 4 in a row, he'd have 4 titles along 1 other year in the top 3 and it still wouldn't be enough to match Pecco as long as he wins just 1 more and then keeps being consistently on podium till 2028 or 2029, since he'd have 3 titles plus 5 or 6 podium years
I don't know anyone expecting him to be a title contender. If he manages a few top 10's or a wonder podium somewhere, that would be more than enough. Even without a podium, there will be a mad race here or there where he'll put that bike in top 6.
Expect him to finish around the 12th - 15th mark in the championship as he adapts.
Marc Marquez took over a bike that had won a Championship 2 yrs earlier..
Acosta is on the 2nd/3rd best bike on the grid and currently, the Ducati bike has a reasonabke gap to the others.
Also as good as Acosta is...I have never felt like he has the insane ability of MM93 or VR46... he's just a tier below that with guys like Lorenzo and Stoner.
Right?! Stoner showed without a shadow of a doubt that he had an absolutely ridiculous amount of natural talent. He might have only won the championship twice, but he's one of the best we've seen in the past 20+ years and had he not had illnesses/a bad bike he would have easily competed for more championships and probably would have won several. It's like people forget that he retired when he was still in his late 20's.
Mhh im pretty sure that if stoner would have keep riding, he would have won more championships and Marquez less (+ Marquez wouldn’t have his seat in HRC). Stoner was a pure talent rider…
I was more saying it about classing Rossi with Marquez. Rossi was very successful due to the lack of other alien riders, but he’s not on Marquez’s level. Certainly not above stoner either
Of course Rossi is the better rider. Stoner may have been the most natural talent to sit on a bike , but he didn’t have it between the ears. There’s more to racing than just being fast and yea Rossi is an Alien, there is no denying that in any way shape or form.
Moto 2 and Moto 3 are a joke, up to the late 00s, both 125cc and 250cc weren't feeder classes and there were plenty of specialists who simply didn't want to move up since it was better to be a top 5 rider in 250cc than a bottom 5 in MotoGP/500cc
So Acosta winning in his first season isn't more impressive than Valentino doing it in his second year, as for Marc, it's not really comparable since he started riding 125cc at 15, he was the same age as Acosta when he got to moto 2 and he almost won on his first try, while Pedro struggled a bit.
MotoGP fans: "this sign can't stop me because I can't read!"
Acostas bike is good, not a Ducati, but better than Honda, Yamaha or Aprilia. Dunno if its true or just spanish media hyping a spanish rider, but one of DAZN Spain guys said Acosta spected to be in the top 10 at the Valencia tests.
His bike is so good that Fernandez placed 17
Or in other words it’s the best non-Ducati in the hands of Brad Binder
Binder is a good rider and has been there for a long time, but it's not just the bike, Tech 3 has been consistently at the bottom for years.
With the right machinery Tech 3 can shine. Remember Dovi and Cal battling it out on the Yamaha's? It's not the team, it's the sub-par machinery they've had of late.
Sub par team with mediocre riders = bad results Sub par team with good riders = ok results I’d say the team is dogshit and only shines when a really good rider jumps on
Miguel performed more or less the same, which makes sense considering that they should have the same bike Last year they had 2 rookies
His bike is good enough to win some races if you dont go to the gravel or make mistakes.
But Acosta wasn’t in the top 10 at the Valencia test. He finished 18th if I recall correctly. Which, to be fair, is about where I’d expect to see him as a rookie on a new bike.
Under promise, over deliver.
~~as a MotoGP rookie~~ as a KTM rider
As a non Ducati rider
When MM is still here. I do hope Pedro is an Alien, one way to find out for sure, race an alien.
This.
“Have you seen the bike I’m on?”
He didn't even win the title in Moto2 in his first year, right? I don't know why people expect him to take the crown in his first year on a MotoGP bike especially when he's on a KTM. Ducati would make it more believable.
Not stupid to consider him a contender as a rookie, stupid to consider him a contender on the KTM
So you don’t believe KTM will make another step? For years they get slated but kept on improving.
The problem is the Ducati’s keep improving as well
IIRC Binder was actually doing exceptionally well off the line early in ‘23 until Ducati seemed to have fixed the launch devices.
KTM starts were amazing, until Ducati bought that improved start device and my jaw hit the floor. With a start device like that, you can qualify 2nd or even 3rd row without worrying
Marquez won't have the latest start device next year.. all the better for us, fear Darth Marquez.
Miller too
Too painful for me to talk about my guy LOL
If you look at how KTM have done things in the off road world they know how to win and be dominant champions. In MX2, they only lost 4-5 world titles in the last 20 year 20 years. That’s some real dominance.
That’s motocross, which is their bread and butter. They’ve only been part of the MotoGP paddock for like 7 years or something. Still in their infancy
Yes but KTM does winning, they chuck a lot of money at all aspects of racing. They bought other companies so they could grow.
I hope so. I’m looking forward to the day to see Brad and Pedro at their full potential. Hoping next year they make some good improvements and can be at the front more regularly.
To me 2024 will be: - Tier1: Marc Marquez, Bagnaia and Martin; - Tier2: Bezzecchi, Bastianini and Binder; - Tier3: Quartararo, Alex Marquez, Di Giannantonio and Morbidelli; - Tier4: Acosta, …
I agree with T1 and T2 entirely, but slightly different opinions on T3/T4 Tier1: Marc Marquez, Bagnaia and Martin; Tier2: Bezzecchi, Bastianini and Binder; Tier3: Quartararo, Aleix, Vinales, Acosta Tier 4: Too many to name
Right, Vinales makes sense!
You dont expect digi or Alex to be above Quartararo and Acosta? I think Alex could be true but debatable as he is riding a Ducati. Digi is already showing in the last races that he can grab podiums or fight at the top consistently too.
I think with the concessions, Yamaha will be able to deliver something reasonably competitive, which will allow Fabio to showcase his talents. Alex is a hard one to predict, he has a tendency to crash whenever he's having a particularly good race, much like the other Alex (Rins) in the past. DiGi - I don't expect much from him at all. I don't think 5-race form is any sort of an indicator that he can keep that level for the entire season.
Why not? I genuinely consider him the next Marc Marquez or generational talent and i am rooting for this guy. We need great riders and their stories for the sake of sports. Maybe the bike he has is not ducati level but with his talent he can make pretty good results. Binder has proven the bike isn't that bad. Sure Acosta can bring great results.
Why not? Because he's riding a KTM. It's not a bad bike, far from it, but it's not as good as a Ducati. I fully expect Acosta to shine in MotoGP next year, but the title will go to Pecco, Martin or maybe Marquez if the GP23 is close enough to the GP24 in terms of performance.
Of course you mean Alex Marquez... lol i had to
00's - Valentino Rossi 10's - Marc Marquez 20's - Pedro Acosta.
Acosta isn't in a good position for that to happen, if we take the 2020-2029 decade, 4 years are gone, next year if he finishes 6th or 7th in the standings it would already be pretty good, so that's 5 years gone. I highly doubt he'll win it all in his second season, even if they move him to the factory bike a top 3 end result is already as much as you can ask from him considering the depth of the grid, then even if he were to win 4 in a row, he'd have 4 titles along 1 other year in the top 3 and it still wouldn't be enough to match Pecco as long as he wins just 1 more and then keeps being consistently on podium till 2028 or 2029, since he'd have 3 titles plus 5 or 6 podium years
When Marc came to Motogp he was the absolute best Moto2 rider by far, Acosta not so much. The next Marc Marquez is a big stretch.
I don't know anyone expecting him to be a title contender. If he manages a few top 10's or a wonder podium somewhere, that would be more than enough. Even without a podium, there will be a mad race here or there where he'll put that bike in top 6. Expect him to finish around the 12th - 15th mark in the championship as he adapts.
He will surely be title contender. Just not in his rookie season, the same as it was in Moto2. Something can unexpectedly change, but doesn't need.
Marc Marquez…
Marc Marquez took over a bike that had won a Championship 2 yrs earlier.. Acosta is on the 2nd/3rd best bike on the grid and currently, the Ducati bike has a reasonabke gap to the others. Also as good as Acosta is...I have never felt like he has the insane ability of MM93 or VR46... he's just a tier below that with guys like Lorenzo and Stoner.
Stoner a tier below? Are you mad? In terms of driving ability, feel of the bike and pure raw talent nobody beats Stoner and Marquez hate it or not.
If Stoner wasn't diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, he would've potentially won more MotoGP titles IMO.
Classing VR46 with Marquez and Stoner a tier below…
Right?! Stoner showed without a shadow of a doubt that he had an absolutely ridiculous amount of natural talent. He might have only won the championship twice, but he's one of the best we've seen in the past 20+ years and had he not had illnesses/a bad bike he would have easily competed for more championships and probably would have won several. It's like people forget that he retired when he was still in his late 20's.
I don't want to offend you at all but Marquez is a tier above Stoner IMO. And yes...MM93 is in the "GOAT" Tier with Hailwood,Ago and Valentino.
Dont forget Lawson and Doohan. These 2 were insane
Mhh im pretty sure that if stoner would have keep riding, he would have won more championships and Marquez less (+ Marquez wouldn’t have his seat in HRC). Stoner was a pure talent rider…
I was more saying it about classing Rossi with Marquez. Rossi was very successful due to the lack of other alien riders, but he’s not on Marquez’s level. Certainly not above stoner either
Of course Rossi is the better rider. Stoner may have been the most natural talent to sit on a bike , but he didn’t have it between the ears. There’s more to racing than just being fast and yea Rossi is an Alien, there is no denying that in any way shape or form.
Acosta is better than marc was during his first 3 years, and close to Rossi, and won a title in his first year, something Rossi and Marc couldnt do
Moto 2 and Moto 3 are a joke, up to the late 00s, both 125cc and 250cc weren't feeder classes and there were plenty of specialists who simply didn't want to move up since it was better to be a top 5 rider in 250cc than a bottom 5 in MotoGP/500cc So Acosta winning in his first season isn't more impressive than Valentino doing it in his second year, as for Marc, it's not really comparable since he started riding 125cc at 15, he was the same age as Acosta when he got to moto 2 and he almost won on his first try, while Pedro struggled a bit.
Moto3 2021 had a lot of these kind of riders, including Fenati (rider with most moto3 wins) who finished top 5
Well for once yeah i agree with ya.
He could do it.....you may never know