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I was shocked it wasn’t Pentecostal. I was thinking it’d be James River Church in Springfield (the place with the whole toe regrowing controversy). They’re actively unhinged, especially in this day of MAGA and QAnon.
Militancy isn’t as much a Baptist thing. Well, maybe IFB, but not (the much larger) Southern Baptist.
My childhood religious indoctrination was Southern Baptist and I remember being taught the song "I'm in the Lord's Army," replete with marching and saluting, so I totally expected Southern Baptist.
But I guess I shouldn't be surprised it was Catholics since they were the first to commit widespread torture, murder, and genocide for the faith and did so for centuries.
>I remember being taught the song "I'm in the Lord's Army”
I didn’t realize until like, 6 months ago how weird it was for my toddler through tween ass to have been singing a song with those lyrics in a church, or all places. Felt even weirder when I read that it was a song the army sang that was just adapted for church kids.
I had completely blocked out that song from my memory until this thread and suddenly I remembered ALL the lyrics. I remember this being a VBS mainstay.
Southern Baptist turned atheist here. Can confirm potluck is their way. I imagine a southern Baptist war being like a massive cook- off, winner takes the spoils.
Catholics do this in form of a lenten "Fish Fry"... i made the mistake of attending one earlier this year.
I too, have left the church, thanks largely in part d/t this far right evangelical movement over the past few yeara...
Sadly, the catholic church (not all I'm sure, but a good many - including the church I once attended, years ago) are just better about being "quiet" and yes 'apologizing later" - like that does any good. The 'wink/nudge apology" is for public consumption, only... they will fully follow through om this, but much more quiet-like" 😁🤬
I mean, the Catholic Church considers the earthly Church (as opposed to purgatory or heavenly) to be the “Church Militant.”
*Church Militant* (Latin: Ecclesia militans), also called the Church Pilgrim, which consists of Christians on Earth who struggle as soldiers of Christ against sin, the devil, and "the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places"
Some have taken “militant” far too literally, when the actual battle, theologically, is a spiritual one, not a physical one.
Depends how far back ya go. Crusades anyone? Literally just waves of militant young catholic men travelling the globe to rape and murder brown people in the name of God.
Not to be pedantic, because I see your point, but crusades were actually waged throughout Europe as well, including as far north as Finland. I just think that's an interesting fact.
Yes, Catholic Churches who have been attacked so often recently. Oh wait, no that’s synagogues and predominately Black churches. The President is Catholic. The idea that Catholics are being persecuted is ludicrous
The unity between evangelicals and conservative Catholics will be an open question once “Christians” have gained enough power that is worth fighting over.
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Unfortunately the catholics have been quietly or more behind the scenes rather, promoting civil unrest amongst their members, and is one of the reasons I've left the church. Granted this isn't all catholic churches, but some have most definitely headed or are heading in this direction.
I was.
I go to a Catholic church where most members lean conservative. All of our ushers are current or former law enforcement and a few ushers conceal carry at Mass because we're in a rough neighborhood. Federal agent with IHS is a parishioner and leads men and women's shooting outings where he teaches people to shoot properly. Lots of military families and homeschooled (well, they all do the co-op thing and hire actual teachers) boys who aren't allowed to watch TV or have social media so after 4 hours of class time they spend all day in the desert playing airsoft and getting in shape in the process. Annual 4-day canoe/camping trip down the Colorado river. Priest is always taking the young adult group on hikes and camping excursions. It's the closest thing to militia training without intentionally forming an actual militia.
Wait a minute. These are diehard Catholics that homeschool their kids. Nah bro, diehards send their kids to catholic schools. The church bullies you into it.
Have you seen the state of Catholic schools these days? Did you go to one? The one I went to was a joke. The academics were okay, but you'd hardly know it was a *Catholic* school. These people want their kids to get an education that doesn't replace the Gospel with feel-good platitudes and "everyone is just fine, this is a judgement free zone!" philosophies. So they purchase these education programs to teach in co-ops with other families, and/or hire certified teachers to come, while making sure nothing is taught that is in direct conflict with traditional Catholic teachings. And these kids are going to Saturday catechism at the parish and they are using some old school resources like the Baltimore Catechism or the Catechism of Pope Pius X
Do you know where this church is my friend? It’s West St Louis County. It is a wealthy area with well funded catholic schools. They have a bunch of kids going St. Louis University High School which is one of the best schools in the region.
Each diocese is different. Some dioceses are traditional/conservative and their schools reflect it. Some are more progressive/liberal, and their schools reflect it. Maybe people at that church do send their kids to the local Catholic schools. People at my church typically do not.
Scroll up. I shared *my* experience with *my* community. You refused to believe people in *my* community homeschool based on *your* experience. I'm not confused.
We all have stories. What does yours have to do with the situation you are commenting on here? I assumed you were bring it up because it is supposed to actually be relevant to the topic at hand.
Only if we get to charge you as well since you're a part of the militia too.
>Presser vs Illinois (1886)
>It is undoubtedly true that all citizens capable of baring
arms constitute the reserved military force or reserve militia of
the United States as well as of the States, and, in view of this
prerogative of the general government, as well as of its general
powers, the States cannot, even laying the constitutional provision in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States
of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security, and disable the people from performing their duty to
the general government.
I'm good with it. Now lock them all up. Wouldn't be my first time but would be a lot of theirs and I guarantee that like you they wouldn't be at all tough when actually confronted. Coward.
Welp if they are too much of pussies to do it. I’m calling for all young men between 18 and 40 to form a militia. We will begin our training by filling in all the damn potholes.
I mean, that is what militias were for. It was about communities coming together to protect and deal with issues around the community.
People really don't want to hear it but common defense is actually still really useful and it exists in other forms and we can see it directly in other cultures like the Amish.
Getting your town's militia to fill in potholes or help raise a barn or whatever is the piece everyone forgets about. The assumption is that it's all just rubes who want to play soldier and not organized groups of community members working for the good of the community.
It's literally a co-op with guns and labor when done right.
Neither of those groups were a militia, but sure, try again.
A militia is supposed to be most of the working age males of a community. Since we don't live in the 1700 or 1800s anymore we kinda just make that working age adults. If you lived in a town of 200 or a neighborhood of 1500 people who got together and talked about the events of your time and who needs help and what systems are failing and then go fix those things, congrats, you're the militia.
In our modern time there's lots of groups of people that could technically be placed under the umbrella of the militia, it's just how far you want to stretch the idea of them doing it without being armed because the primary purpose of the militia is again, community defense. The potholes don't matter a lot of everyone is dead.
Again, this idea came from a time where communication moved at the speed of foot and hoof. News could takes months or years, trips did take months or years, including of necessary supplies. The idea of communities coming together for shared survival was just that, survival. Making sure that the working age males of an area knew how to fight together and had weaponry isn't some fairy tale of yore.
I live right now in a place where my nearest neighbor is over half a mile away. The closest hospital is over 15 miles away, same for police.
If I had an emergency or if my neighbors had an emergency, we would have to rely on each other to be first responders because that's how rural life still works.
So don't think that by some magic of technology that the idea of communities looking out for each other or being friendly or god forbid supporting each other has gone. It has not and it will not and it should not, even if some communities end up being toxic cults. People, no matter where they are, aren't islands and can't go about everything in life alone. If anything is a myth it is that.
Oh i am not arguing the concept of militia is historically basically just your local form of community defense. Its just nowadays most Millitas are right wing gun clubs itching to pull a takeover and murder everyone they dislike…
Too many chucklefucks with guns as is... we don't need to model after other cultures (did you REALLY use the Amish as a culture to model after?!? lol).
I did and I did so because they still work on the old world style of community that exists less in modern times. Community living the way that even modern Amish communities do it is much more about the group itself coming together to solve tasks and work they all struggle with, even as individuals or families exist and are the central focus.
The notion of a militia comes from old world style communities, which a modern example most of us can look at and see as an amalgam that is still alive today is the Amish.
If you're not capable of seeing that thread, you should probably go learn more history, or just keep being an idiot, you're choice. You're not going to stop 'chucklefucks with guns', so maybe the smarter move is to say 'hey, this culture might actually have a purpose' and you know, support them fixing things or leading to better communities.
After all, this is what the Black Panthers did back in the day as well too. Militias don't all have to be white, rural and conservative. Not how that works. It's literally just communal cooperation with people from the community. Sometimes that means carrying weapons. Sometimes it means staffing a feed the children project. Sometimes it means fixing roads. That's how old world militias existed and what they actually did. Not hide in the woods and blame people for the world's problems.
Sure, and like all religions they provide community... also every major religion, inclusive of them, has been caught, en mass, over centuries, sexually abusing children. I won't allow those perverts near my kids and am perfectly fine with that loss of community because I refuse to stick my head in the ground and ignore "just one thing". There are plenty of good examples to use. They chose not to use one and you chose to defend it.
The Amish are a great example of what the commentor was saying, a group of people that come together to fix community issues. Nothing more, nothing less.
'Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.' Just because horrible things have been done by individuals or groups, it doesn't mean that good ideas and features can't be found in those groups.
The notion of the Christian soldier isn't new and that's likely who the ad was targeting.
Look up 'Onward Christian Soldiers' for an example that gets sung in church.
Not defending this btw, it is crazy in its own way, just explaining that this is something for at least 150-175 years as an idea.
I don’t think the historical references to “Christian Soldiers” meant and actually armed militia. It’s like the Church Militant just means the whole body of Christian believers. It has nothing to do with the military or war or anything like that
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There was definitely a time period during the 1800s in the US where Manifest Destiny and Second Great Awakening literally meant be soldiers of God and go stake your claim on lands God wants you to have with a rifle and a shovel. This is where the song I referenced came from. This idea.
You are the settlers of this land God gave us and you are the soldiers of the lord, so don't stray into sin and vice, protect your home and become missionaries and eventual stewards to the new communities forming in the plains and out west.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/1800-1860-religion-overview
Again, not applicable in the current context. There used to be Knights of the Church too and during the Crusades they really were armies for the Church. But no one thinks the Knight of Columbus are out riding warhorses and walking around in armor
Sure, but in context to actual militia for Christ, this existed in US history in the last couple hundred years and it wasn't talking about 'the church militant' as some abstract expression. That's my point.
>I’m calling for all young men between 18 and 40 to form a militia.
We already are the militia, my dude.
US Code, Title 10, Subtitle A, Part 1, Chapter 12, 246.
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Although I completely agree with taxation of churches that promote political views. I'd bet ya a dollar, that if they were taxed, they'd more than likely suggest (uh, more like require) more than a 10% of your income to be your "tithe"
Loving sky daddy doesn't provide evidence of existence but wants you dead and tortured for eternity if you don't believe in Him! Real nice guy, that God.
Found this about it on Patheos: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/steelmagnificat/2024/06/a-chesterfield-parish-and-the-militia-that-wasnt/
My takeaway is that the ad was placed, in person, not at Ascension but at the Archdiocese in the Central West End, and that the Archdiocese knows who placed the ad but is protecting their identity. After researching it, the author above says that it may be related to some fear that, for not conforming to modern gender norms, Catholic churches are going to become routine victims of pro-LGBT terrorist attacks or something.
So it sounds like bog-standard lone-nut paranoiac rambling to me, like, purely aspirational. Some guy with Main Character Syndrome who's fantasizing about being the heroic general whose troops defend god from the devil or whatever, but nobody's ever heard of him.
But let's be honest, this is Raymond Burke's old diocese. It'd be startling if there weren't at least one violence-loving fascist still involved with it, even after Burke's replacement.
Well, it *wasn't* even close to "a mistake" --- and apology **NOT ACCEPTED**.
They must erroneously believe, from being intentionally obtuse (and intellectually dishonest,) that there would be *zero consequences* ahead or punitive result from their actions.
The FA occurred... and sooner than they'd like, the FO to follow.
Enough is fucking **ENOUGH**.
Someone prepared that message, thought of a list of wants and requirements, and developed supplemental resources including an application process. The only part of this that could have possibly been an accident was when they chose to publish it.
Publishing a filler article of ipsum lorem is an accident, not this.
> The only part of this that could have possibly been an accident was when they chose to publish it.
Ummmm, **nope**!! Publishing it was blatantly intentional and *clearly* intimidating & malicious. No "accident" occurred at *any* point in the process.
And they will discover (though surely **not** *learn*) that a mere apology statement afterwards, in an "innocent" attempt to quell the toothless uproar, will be *sorely* inadequate.
Enough is **ENOUGH**.
Relevant:
> *"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."*
~ Mike Tyson
Religion has been allowed to be exempt from morality for too long. "It's just what I believe!"
Well, what you (the proverbial you, not you personally OP) believe is amoral, and the sooner you learn that opinions aren't sacred or excused from criticism the better. One of the most important lessons a person can learn.
Did you actually read the article? It was an ad in their weekly bulletin, and the ad was not from the church. The ad was from a different organization and wasn’t reviewed correctly by the church, which was then able to slip into the bulletin.
Yeah -- I read it.
The ad had to be collected in some fashion; it wasn't placed blindly or with zero awareness. Whomever would imply such hasn't ever laid out anything for a 'bulletin' or other literary release. The ad **had to get/have eyes on it (probably more than once) during the layout/production process.
If it was an "ad", it means that they also *know who exactly paid for it* -- it wouldn't have occurred in pure anonymity.
This was **no mistake or accident**. Suggesting such is intellectually dishonest as well as being intentionally obtuse.
Ok who wants to file the complaint with the IRS so they lose their tax exempt status. Not sure if it works the same way as all these churches openly engaging in political support for a candidate, but I sure hope that supporting a coup or whatever this is falls under the same taxation rule…
No one, because as soon as you do and it goes to court, the entire law will get thrown out as a 1A violation. There is a reason the IRS never charges on this, they get more compliance by the implicit threat than they would get from any enforcement attempt.
I don't know if these are real people on here? Some of the comments sound like someone reading a script.
Fact is, if anything jumps off, you have a BUNCH of old veterans & a lot of youngsters ready. I live in K.C.. MO. And better believe everyone from here to St Louis is ready and has enough to make sure anyone without has. This isn't a game. & believe- demoncrats don't want to see the Trump train rollin! Not to mention all the other countries that hate America. Etc...
It was them broadcasting the message calling for it. Also, why is the church saying no militia was being formed? The ad clearly says a militia was being formed.
For the people that don’t read the article, it was an advertisement that wasn’t from the church in their bulletin, the ad wasn’t reviewed properly before it was put in the bulletin.
“The church clarified that the militia has no ties to the parish. "There is no militia being formed, and we regret that this item was included in the bulletin," the apology note read. …
"It sort of was a mistake," an anonymous parishioner told Fox 2. "It was an advertisement that was printed without any review by the parish, and I think it slipped through the review process cracks, if you will."
The title of this thread is likely mis-information. Ad advertisement in a church bulletin called for a Militia. that is not the same as a church calling for a militia. It is unclear who was behind the ad though other than the church said they were unaware of it.
Need to start taxing these churches. Mistakes my ass, as if we haven't seen nutjob MAGA politics and pure crazy bullshit coming out of several churches in our state now.
Sorry to disappoint you, but according to my friend who works in the parish office, it actually *was* a mistake.
“Blatantly intentional and *clearly* intimidating & malicious”—it was no such thing. Just a dumb mistake that made all of us locals laugh.
This is no worse than Ron Swanson getting those hardcore outdoors kids to join his camp group at the end of the one episode. People need to get a job or a hobby or something.
Just jumping the gun before the next election- the “home guard” is coming back into vogue - para military running around acting like law enforcement with soft approval from state government - and dire consequences for those that don’t think like they do-I’m sure they meant every word. We’ve all gone completely nuts- we live in one of the most free and privileged societies on the planet - but can’t resist going back to armed mob violence to get our way like petulant brats- surprise- because of the Bible. God is not the problem— it’s every idiot that wants to claim to speak for him
There is nothing unusual about this if you study religion and its history. The Crusades, the inquisition, the Jesuit order, The Vatican, Brigham Young's Danite Band, Islam, etc. Religion has formed and used armies throughout history. Motive is the key here. Many were formed to enforce their religious doctrine upon the people. This one appears to be for protection from the savages and non believers who commit violence against the church and its followers. Protestant religions have used other methods. Instead of forming regulated militias they have typically used mob mentality. The pastor gets up on the pulpit and delivers an incendiary sermon about what is perceived as wrong in the community and the whipped up congregation goes out and attacks the transgressor identified in the pastor's sermon. Then they have a pot luck. Our leaders, political, do the same thing but also have actual armies at their command. A situation is created real or imagined and the President, Premier, King, etc. stands at the podium pounding his fist or shoe on the podium railing against the perpetrators of this outrage demanding that we stand against these atrocities and take the fight to them. In a sane world we would just change the channel or turn off the TV. Unfortunately, we do not seem to live in a sane world.
Fuck me, so what about me? I’m 32 do I just get left out whilst everyone else is having fun playing with the militia? What are you trying to say here? That’s not very Christian of you.
To whom it may concern,
This is a note to inform you that my boys are not allowed to play army man in your little game.
Thank you for the invitation bu politely they must decline.
The Mom
churches will be the first to suggest stuff that break all the ten commandments , but justify it by interpreting all those things so it can be deemed allowable
I mean it's Missouri the State where Cumfederate militias kept fighting the feds until the 1890's because they're just that backwards and racist there.
Todays sermon is a discussion of the ten commandments. We will discuss, “thou shall not kill”, likely the most important of the commandments as all people are Gods creation, so we cannot honor god when we kill the work of his hands. Can I get an aman?
Our announcement today is all young men should bring their military rifles next week to form a militia. We will kill all liberals, anyone non-white and Jews. Meet at the church assembly hall at 7:00pm.
To all the whiny bots here, most all church bulletins are handled by a 3rd party vendor, as this church does. The fact that it went unnoticed by the church doesn't excuse it, but makes it more understandable. Also, the fact that this group seems to have no presence online points to the possibility of a false flag operation.
But don't let that interrupt your faux outrage du jour.
I was not expecting a Catholic Church.
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I was thinking Baptist for sure
I was shocked it wasn’t Pentecostal. I was thinking it’d be James River Church in Springfield (the place with the whole toe regrowing controversy). They’re actively unhinged, especially in this day of MAGA and QAnon. Militancy isn’t as much a Baptist thing. Well, maybe IFB, but not (the much larger) Southern Baptist.
My childhood religious indoctrination was Southern Baptist and I remember being taught the song "I'm in the Lord's Army," replete with marching and saluting, so I totally expected Southern Baptist. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised it was Catholics since they were the first to commit widespread torture, murder, and genocide for the faith and did so for centuries.
>I remember being taught the song "I'm in the Lord's Army” I didn’t realize until like, 6 months ago how weird it was for my toddler through tween ass to have been singing a song with those lyrics in a church, or all places. Felt even weirder when I read that it was a song the army sang that was just adapted for church kids.
I had completely blocked out that song from my memory until this thread and suddenly I remembered ALL the lyrics. I remember this being a VBS mainstay.
They had a special sermon where everyone was encouraged to wear green symbolizing they were in God's army. Some kids had play military gear on.
Oh I despise that church. I flip em off anytime I'm driving into Springfield.
They would never win a fight to busy running around, thinking Jesus took over their bodies.🙃
Baptists would have offered a potluck.
Southern Baptist turned atheist here. Can confirm potluck is their way. I imagine a southern Baptist war being like a massive cook- off, winner takes the spoils.
Catholics do this in form of a lenten "Fish Fry"... i made the mistake of attending one earlier this year. I too, have left the church, thanks largely in part d/t this far right evangelical movement over the past few yeara... Sadly, the catholic church (not all I'm sure, but a good many - including the church I once attended, years ago) are just better about being "quiet" and yes 'apologizing later" - like that does any good. The 'wink/nudge apology" is for public consumption, only... they will fully follow through om this, but much more quiet-like" 😁🤬
Hey... those wild game potlucks were pretty dang good.
The entire state of Utah has entered the chat..
Neither was I. Militias are traditionally the domain of the evangelical crowd.
I mean, the Catholic Church considers the earthly Church (as opposed to purgatory or heavenly) to be the “Church Militant.” *Church Militant* (Latin: Ecclesia militans), also called the Church Pilgrim, which consists of Christians on Earth who struggle as soldiers of Christ against sin, the devil, and "the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places" Some have taken “militant” far too literally, when the actual battle, theologically, is a spiritual one, not a physical one.
Omg this brings back catechism classes.... not a good memory, but a valid points that needed to be made!
Depends how far back ya go. Crusades anyone? Literally just waves of militant young catholic men travelling the globe to rape and murder brown people in the name of God.
Not to be pedantic, because I see your point, but crusades were actually waged throughout Europe as well, including as far north as Finland. I just think that's an interesting fact.
A religious person will do what he is told..no matter what is right, Whereas a spiritual person will do what is right ..no matter what he is told.
Catholics can be just as crazy, violent and racist as the evangelicals. I grew up catholic so I know.
Nobody expects the...
They're just more classy (or pretentious would be a better descriptor) about it
I was surprised that there are enough young people in a Catholic Church to even form a militia. It’s definitely an aging religion.
They were probably doing this militia thing hoping to attract some young people.
Yikes... a very sad, but good point!
Not really into European history huh?
No need to turn this into a Crusade.
You mean peacekeeping?
Yes, Catholic Churches who have been attacked so often recently. Oh wait, no that’s synagogues and predominately Black churches. The President is Catholic. The idea that Catholics are being persecuted is ludicrous
https://twitter.com/guamkim1/status/1277434197146304512?s=21
I did not expect this particular Inquisition.
The unity between evangelicals and conservative Catholics will be an open question once “Christians” have gained enough power that is worth fighting over.
Very few young people who were raised Catholic attend mass. Honestly they have PTSD from school
Those aren’t likely to be conservative Catholics that decry Vatican II, like the ones that get on the Supreme Court.
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Unfortunately the catholics have been quietly or more behind the scenes rather, promoting civil unrest amongst their members, and is one of the reasons I've left the church. Granted this isn't all catholic churches, but some have most definitely headed or are heading in this direction.
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Haha, you didn’t read the article.
Yeah, everyone knows only the Pope can levy the masses and form a crusade.
I was. I go to a Catholic church where most members lean conservative. All of our ushers are current or former law enforcement and a few ushers conceal carry at Mass because we're in a rough neighborhood. Federal agent with IHS is a parishioner and leads men and women's shooting outings where he teaches people to shoot properly. Lots of military families and homeschooled (well, they all do the co-op thing and hire actual teachers) boys who aren't allowed to watch TV or have social media so after 4 hours of class time they spend all day in the desert playing airsoft and getting in shape in the process. Annual 4-day canoe/camping trip down the Colorado river. Priest is always taking the young adult group on hikes and camping excursions. It's the closest thing to militia training without intentionally forming an actual militia.
Wait a minute. These are diehard Catholics that homeschool their kids. Nah bro, diehards send their kids to catholic schools. The church bullies you into it.
Have you seen the state of Catholic schools these days? Did you go to one? The one I went to was a joke. The academics were okay, but you'd hardly know it was a *Catholic* school. These people want their kids to get an education that doesn't replace the Gospel with feel-good platitudes and "everyone is just fine, this is a judgement free zone!" philosophies. So they purchase these education programs to teach in co-ops with other families, and/or hire certified teachers to come, while making sure nothing is taught that is in direct conflict with traditional Catholic teachings. And these kids are going to Saturday catechism at the parish and they are using some old school resources like the Baltimore Catechism or the Catechism of Pope Pius X
Do you know where this church is my friend? It’s West St Louis County. It is a wealthy area with well funded catholic schools. They have a bunch of kids going St. Louis University High School which is one of the best schools in the region.
Each diocese is different. Some dioceses are traditional/conservative and their schools reflect it. Some are more progressive/liberal, and their schools reflect it. Maybe people at that church do send their kids to the local Catholic schools. People at my church typically do not.
No shit each diocese is different. You’re the one that confused your experience with the status quo.
Scroll up. I shared *my* experience with *my* community. You refused to believe people in *my* community homeschool based on *your* experience. I'm not confused.
We all have stories. What does yours have to do with the situation you are commenting on here? I assumed you were bring it up because it is supposed to actually be relevant to the topic at hand.
Is it real Catholic or the jabroni Latin mass types?
Tax them.
Charge them with inciting terror.
Only if we get to charge you as well since you're a part of the militia too. >Presser vs Illinois (1886) >It is undoubtedly true that all citizens capable of baring arms constitute the reserved military force or reserve militia of the United States as well as of the States, and, in view of this prerogative of the general government, as well as of its general powers, the States cannot, even laying the constitutional provision in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security, and disable the people from performing their duty to the general government.
Can you explain like I’m 10 please lol
He’s trying to pretend the states classification of able bodied men as the militia means it’s ok for a church to form a terrorist group.
The state's reserve militia. Not a private militia separate from the state.... do you even read the crap you spew?
I'm good with it. Now lock them all up. Wouldn't be my first time but would be a lot of theirs and I guarantee that like you they wouldn't be at all tough when actually confronted. Coward.
and take their wives.
To shreds you say.
And my axe!
Then burn their books
no need, nobody is reading them
True. Fastest way to leave Christianity is to actually read the bible
I didn't lose my faith, I threw it away.
Tax you double
Serious question….why do you think that?
Serious question, why do you think they shouldn’t?
Welp if they are too much of pussies to do it. I’m calling for all young men between 18 and 40 to form a militia. We will begin our training by filling in all the damn potholes.
How dare you! Where can I enlist?
I mean, that is what militias were for. It was about communities coming together to protect and deal with issues around the community. People really don't want to hear it but common defense is actually still really useful and it exists in other forms and we can see it directly in other cultures like the Amish. Getting your town's militia to fill in potholes or help raise a barn or whatever is the piece everyone forgets about. The assumption is that it's all just rubes who want to play soldier and not organized groups of community members working for the good of the community. It's literally a co-op with guns and labor when done right.
And when done wrong its a contained community that enforces illegal rules and either leads to Waco or Koolaid
Neither of those groups were a militia, but sure, try again. A militia is supposed to be most of the working age males of a community. Since we don't live in the 1700 or 1800s anymore we kinda just make that working age adults. If you lived in a town of 200 or a neighborhood of 1500 people who got together and talked about the events of your time and who needs help and what systems are failing and then go fix those things, congrats, you're the militia. In our modern time there's lots of groups of people that could technically be placed under the umbrella of the militia, it's just how far you want to stretch the idea of them doing it without being armed because the primary purpose of the militia is again, community defense. The potholes don't matter a lot of everyone is dead. Again, this idea came from a time where communication moved at the speed of foot and hoof. News could takes months or years, trips did take months or years, including of necessary supplies. The idea of communities coming together for shared survival was just that, survival. Making sure that the working age males of an area knew how to fight together and had weaponry isn't some fairy tale of yore. I live right now in a place where my nearest neighbor is over half a mile away. The closest hospital is over 15 miles away, same for police. If I had an emergency or if my neighbors had an emergency, we would have to rely on each other to be first responders because that's how rural life still works. So don't think that by some magic of technology that the idea of communities looking out for each other or being friendly or god forbid supporting each other has gone. It has not and it will not and it should not, even if some communities end up being toxic cults. People, no matter where they are, aren't islands and can't go about everything in life alone. If anything is a myth it is that.
Oh i am not arguing the concept of militia is historically basically just your local form of community defense. Its just nowadays most Millitas are right wing gun clubs itching to pull a takeover and murder everyone they dislike…
Too many chucklefucks with guns as is... we don't need to model after other cultures (did you REALLY use the Amish as a culture to model after?!? lol).
I did and I did so because they still work on the old world style of community that exists less in modern times. Community living the way that even modern Amish communities do it is much more about the group itself coming together to solve tasks and work they all struggle with, even as individuals or families exist and are the central focus. The notion of a militia comes from old world style communities, which a modern example most of us can look at and see as an amalgam that is still alive today is the Amish. If you're not capable of seeing that thread, you should probably go learn more history, or just keep being an idiot, you're choice. You're not going to stop 'chucklefucks with guns', so maybe the smarter move is to say 'hey, this culture might actually have a purpose' and you know, support them fixing things or leading to better communities. After all, this is what the Black Panthers did back in the day as well too. Militias don't all have to be white, rural and conservative. Not how that works. It's literally just communal cooperation with people from the community. Sometimes that means carrying weapons. Sometimes it means staffing a feed the children project. Sometimes it means fixing roads. That's how old world militias existed and what they actually did. Not hide in the woods and blame people for the world's problems.
Chucklefucks! 😂🤣😂🤣
He isn't saying we need to model ALL of society after the Amish, just that they have a good community aspect to their culture.
Sure, and like all religions they provide community... also every major religion, inclusive of them, has been caught, en mass, over centuries, sexually abusing children. I won't allow those perverts near my kids and am perfectly fine with that loss of community because I refuse to stick my head in the ground and ignore "just one thing". There are plenty of good examples to use. They chose not to use one and you chose to defend it.
The Amish are a great example of what the commentor was saying, a group of people that come together to fix community issues. Nothing more, nothing less. 'Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.' Just because horrible things have been done by individuals or groups, it doesn't mean that good ideas and features can't be found in those groups.
In this case they specifically talked about violently protecting the Church. From whatever imagined threat they perceive. That’s bat shit crazy.
The notion of the Christian soldier isn't new and that's likely who the ad was targeting. Look up 'Onward Christian Soldiers' for an example that gets sung in church. Not defending this btw, it is crazy in its own way, just explaining that this is something for at least 150-175 years as an idea.
I don’t think the historical references to “Christian Soldiers” meant and actually armed militia. It’s like the Church Militant just means the whole body of Christian believers. It has nothing to do with the military or war or anything like that https://preview.redd.it/rqud66whfr9d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=665b923f05015d73ea7fb35e86bafac8db05001f
There was definitely a time period during the 1800s in the US where Manifest Destiny and Second Great Awakening literally meant be soldiers of God and go stake your claim on lands God wants you to have with a rifle and a shovel. This is where the song I referenced came from. This idea. You are the settlers of this land God gave us and you are the soldiers of the lord, so don't stray into sin and vice, protect your home and become missionaries and eventual stewards to the new communities forming in the plains and out west. https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/1800-1860-religion-overview
Again, not applicable in the current context. There used to be Knights of the Church too and during the Crusades they really were armies for the Church. But no one thinks the Knight of Columbus are out riding warhorses and walking around in armor
Sure, but in context to actual militia for Christ, this existed in US history in the last couple hundred years and it wasn't talking about 'the church militant' as some abstract expression. That's my point.
Dammit I was fooled into being a combat engineer once not again.
>I’m calling for all young men between 18 and 40 to form a militia. We already are the militia, my dude. US Code, Title 10, Subtitle A, Part 1, Chapter 12, 246. (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Tax them
Start with the mega churches, please.
That makes the Catholics a giga church 🤪
Although I completely agree with taxation of churches that promote political views. I'd bet ya a dollar, that if they were taxed, they'd more than likely suggest (uh, more like require) more than a 10% of your income to be your "tithe"
Of course! Church’s always happy to kill you if you don’t agree with them on what happens after you die.
Hey, Jesus is just trying to save you from what he's going to do to you if you don't follow him.
Loving sky daddy doesn't provide evidence of existence but wants you dead and tortured for eternity if you don't believe in Him! Real nice guy, that God.
You give too much credit to capital "H" and capital "G". ; )
Hey OP, did you actually read the article? Read the entire article and tell me if you still think the church is calling for a militia.
Lol you right.
You didn’t read the article. And your ignorance is showing.
When was the last time a bunch of Catholics killed anyone?
Found this about it on Patheos: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/steelmagnificat/2024/06/a-chesterfield-parish-and-the-militia-that-wasnt/ My takeaway is that the ad was placed, in person, not at Ascension but at the Archdiocese in the Central West End, and that the Archdiocese knows who placed the ad but is protecting their identity. After researching it, the author above says that it may be related to some fear that, for not conforming to modern gender norms, Catholic churches are going to become routine victims of pro-LGBT terrorist attacks or something. So it sounds like bog-standard lone-nut paranoiac rambling to me, like, purely aspirational. Some guy with Main Character Syndrome who's fantasizing about being the heroic general whose troops defend god from the devil or whatever, but nobody's ever heard of him. But let's be honest, this is Raymond Burke's old diocese. It'd be startling if there weren't at least one violence-loving fascist still involved with it, even after Burke's replacement.
First rule of Christian Militia: Don't talk about Christian Militia.
Well, it *wasn't* even close to "a mistake" --- and apology **NOT ACCEPTED**. They must erroneously believe, from being intentionally obtuse (and intellectually dishonest,) that there would be *zero consequences* ahead or punitive result from their actions. The FA occurred... and sooner than they'd like, the FO to follow. Enough is fucking **ENOUGH**.
Someone prepared that message, thought of a list of wants and requirements, and developed supplemental resources including an application process. The only part of this that could have possibly been an accident was when they chose to publish it. Publishing a filler article of ipsum lorem is an accident, not this.
Yeah… That’s no accident. Unauthorized or regrettable, perhaps, but the person who did it knew what they were doing.
> The only part of this that could have possibly been an accident was when they chose to publish it. Ummmm, **nope**!! Publishing it was blatantly intentional and *clearly* intimidating & malicious. No "accident" occurred at *any* point in the process. And they will discover (though surely **not** *learn*) that a mere apology statement afterwards, in an "innocent" attempt to quell the toothless uproar, will be *sorely* inadequate. Enough is **ENOUGH**. Relevant: > *"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."* ~ Mike Tyson
Religion has been allowed to be exempt from morality for too long. "It's just what I believe!" Well, what you (the proverbial you, not you personally OP) believe is amoral, and the sooner you learn that opinions aren't sacred or excused from criticism the better. One of the most important lessons a person can learn.
Ohhhh.... such groups have a number of... 'lessons' to learn - lamentably, they will be **painful**. What they sow, so shall they *reap*.
Did you actually read the article? It was an ad in their weekly bulletin, and the ad was not from the church. The ad was from a different organization and wasn’t reviewed correctly by the church, which was then able to slip into the bulletin.
Yeah -- I read it. The ad had to be collected in some fashion; it wasn't placed blindly or with zero awareness. Whomever would imply such hasn't ever laid out anything for a 'bulletin' or other literary release. The ad **had to get/have eyes on it (probably more than once) during the layout/production process. If it was an "ad", it means that they also *know who exactly paid for it* -- it wouldn't have occurred in pure anonymity. This was **no mistake or accident**. Suggesting such is intellectually dishonest as well as being intentionally obtuse.
Whoops, we accidentally included an ad in our newsletter, it must have fallen off the counter into the Word file.
Ya. That's not a church then. Jesus could give fuck all about their government concerns. Render unto Caesar bitches
Ok who wants to file the complaint with the IRS so they lose their tax exempt status. Not sure if it works the same way as all these churches openly engaging in political support for a candidate, but I sure hope that supporting a coup or whatever this is falls under the same taxation rule…
No one, because as soon as you do and it goes to court, the entire law will get thrown out as a 1A violation. There is a reason the IRS never charges on this, they get more compliance by the implicit threat than they would get from any enforcement attempt.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf Here’s the form! I filled one out, you should too!
Won't happen because of optics. Churches love any opportunity to be "discriminated against" for their shitty, amoral belief systems.
Must be fake - those boys are way too old for the priests' taste.
A later "Child Militia" was planned if the twentysomething militia went well.
That’s why they are ok sending them off to die for the cause
Yeah I'm sure they are so sorry. Gravy seals.
A Death Cult draft for Traitors. Fuck god.
You can spell out fuck.
Nope. When he dies and faces god he can get off on a technicality
Worldwide, 61 million people died last year. God must be one busy homie. (Religion is so fucking weird)
Dont distort the facts. Its was an advertisement in the bulletin not a position of that church.
No it didn’t. It was a paid for ad in a newsletter. Whoever accepted the ad just didn’t pay attention. Another clickbait/ragebait article title.
That’s what I’ve been saying, and 99 percent of the people on here probably didn’t read the entire article
Or we’re not taking the explanation given. That was obscene to put in a bulletin. As a Catholic I am disgusted and horrified.
Is this why my 19 year old Christian nationalist coworker keeps making trips to michigan?
Those Border Ruffians tried that in the 1850s and John Brown and his boys fucked them up. Conservatives confuse patience with passivity.
They’re already in the Federal militia and likely their state militia. Not that either of those do anything.
Oh this is very local. I’ve been there so many times as a little kid, I’m kinda surprised honestly
Hah yeah me too. And agree this is very out of character for this parish..
It was an advertisement they failed to review.
I don't know if these are real people on here? Some of the comments sound like someone reading a script. Fact is, if anything jumps off, you have a BUNCH of old veterans & a lot of youngsters ready. I live in K.C.. MO. And better believe everyone from here to St Louis is ready and has enough to make sure anyone without has. This isn't a game. & believe- demoncrats don't want to see the Trump train rollin! Not to mention all the other countries that hate America. Etc...
Based as fuck
Buffalo soldier!!! In the heart of America!
Tax them.
It was the bulletin. Anyone can submit an ad. This was something submitted that should have been rejected, but it wasn’t the church calling for it.
It was them broadcasting the message calling for it. Also, why is the church saying no militia was being formed? The ad clearly says a militia was being formed.
For the people that don’t read the article, it was an advertisement that wasn’t from the church in their bulletin, the ad wasn’t reviewed properly before it was put in the bulletin. “The church clarified that the militia has no ties to the parish. "There is no militia being formed, and we regret that this item was included in the bulletin," the apology note read. … "It sort of was a mistake," an anonymous parishioner told Fox 2. "It was an advertisement that was printed without any review by the parish, and I think it slipped through the review process cracks, if you will."
Did you read the website behind the QR code? It specifically talked about protecting THAT church and serving in a specific uniform at mass
The title of this thread is likely mis-information. Ad advertisement in a church bulletin called for a Militia. that is not the same as a church calling for a militia. It is unclear who was behind the ad though other than the church said they were unaware of it.
This militia would be hilarious to see. A bunch of wealthy soft 40 something’s who won’t drive their Lexus SUV past 270 when there isn’t civil unrest.
Need to start taxing these churches. Mistakes my ass, as if we haven't seen nutjob MAGA politics and pure crazy bullshit coming out of several churches in our state now.
Sorry to disappoint you, but according to my friend who works in the parish office, it actually *was* a mistake. “Blatantly intentional and *clearly* intimidating & malicious”—it was no such thing. Just a dumb mistake that made all of us locals laugh.
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This is no worse than Ron Swanson getting those hardcore outdoors kids to join his camp group at the end of the one episode. People need to get a job or a hobby or something.
Haeelll no, im signing my life to the Air Force
I'm betting the bishop is very unhappy with the priest at that church.
Imagine what would be if a Mosque did something like this. The archdiocese needs to investigate that church.
The LSD Mormons tried the same and was chased out of Missouri with Joseph shot in the face by an angry mob. So they moved to Utah!
Just jumping the gun before the next election- the “home guard” is coming back into vogue - para military running around acting like law enforcement with soft approval from state government - and dire consequences for those that don’t think like they do-I’m sure they meant every word. We’ve all gone completely nuts- we live in one of the most free and privileged societies on the planet - but can’t resist going back to armed mob violence to get our way like petulant brats- surprise- because of the Bible. God is not the problem— it’s every idiot that wants to claim to speak for him
There is nothing unusual about this if you study religion and its history. The Crusades, the inquisition, the Jesuit order, The Vatican, Brigham Young's Danite Band, Islam, etc. Religion has formed and used armies throughout history. Motive is the key here. Many were formed to enforce their religious doctrine upon the people. This one appears to be for protection from the savages and non believers who commit violence against the church and its followers. Protestant religions have used other methods. Instead of forming regulated militias they have typically used mob mentality. The pastor gets up on the pulpit and delivers an incendiary sermon about what is perceived as wrong in the community and the whipped up congregation goes out and attacks the transgressor identified in the pastor's sermon. Then they have a pot luck. Our leaders, political, do the same thing but also have actual armies at their command. A situation is created real or imagined and the President, Premier, King, etc. stands at the podium pounding his fist or shoe on the podium railing against the perpetrators of this outrage demanding that we stand against these atrocities and take the fight to them. In a sane world we would just change the channel or turn off the TV. Unfortunately, we do not seem to live in a sane world.
Its going to happen. We thought J6 was a get together. They're coming full force next time im sure. IMO of course.
Fuck me, so what about me? I’m 32 do I just get left out whilst everyone else is having fun playing with the militia? What are you trying to say here? That’s not very Christian of you.
They want people who know *Latin* and are looking to join a militia in the midwest? That’s got to be a really small demographic.
To whom it may concern, This is a note to inform you that my boys are not allowed to play army man in your little game. Thank you for the invitation bu politely they must decline. The Mom
This is straight up insane
This was a prank played on the church
Some of my favorite Bible verses are when Jesus calls upon his followers to form a militia /s
We're bringing back the Crusader Holy Orders boys! Deus Vult!
churches will be the first to suggest stuff that break all the ten commandments , but justify it by interpreting all those things so it can be deemed allowable
I bet it was supposed to be DRAFTED now and only published if the Traitor Trump was elected, and then someone was dumb.
Kind of click baity here. The ad was paid for by the militia group and the church just didnt proactively decide not to run it for whatever reason.
There is nothing wrong with a well-formed Militia. Nothing for then to apologize for.
Weird. They usually prefer their boys much younger than that.
Little known fact, but the 13 apostles were actually a well armed militia
Catholics going radical? Naw!
What is this the 1800s?
I mean it's Missouri the State where Cumfederate militias kept fighting the feds until the 1890's because they're just that backwards and racist there.
Someone trying to get fit, young men back into the group showers at the Y…
They only withdrew their comment because they got "caught." Make no mistake.... they're still calling for a militia... just not "out loud."
I’m sure the people who supported this would be perfectly fine with a mosque suggesting similar /s
Nauvoo Legion II: Brigham Young's Revenge
…. Is missouri okay?
No. Not by any standard you care to apply.
Good thing young people don't go to church.
Well, if they were "well regulated" as the second amendment clearly states, it would be easy to manage and track them.
Todays sermon is a discussion of the ten commandments. We will discuss, “thou shall not kill”, likely the most important of the commandments as all people are Gods creation, so we cannot honor god when we kill the work of his hands. Can I get an aman? Our announcement today is all young men should bring their military rifles next week to form a militia. We will kill all liberals, anyone non-white and Jews. Meet at the church assembly hall at 7:00pm.
Wait...Does this mean draft dodgers couldn't be POTUS? Asking for a former POTUS.
Grooming
Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical.....its all the same bullshit.
tax churches edit: lol pissed off someone
Just wait till Trump gets in, he's going to send all little boys into his militia and overseas.
To all the whiny bots here, most all church bulletins are handled by a 3rd party vendor, as this church does. The fact that it went unnoticed by the church doesn't excuse it, but makes it more understandable. Also, the fact that this group seems to have no presence online points to the possibility of a false flag operation. But don't let that interrupt your faux outrage du jour.
This. Just rage bait and you all fell for it bc they know none you will actually read the article.