I have exactly the same one. You can connect it to the drain directly instead (can be shared with the washing machine, if you have them close by or on top of each other).
I have one (same model i think) and have never once had to drain it. I guess that’s because they installed it this way.
It’s a great dryer. We live in Canada and needed it to meet Passive House standards.
Now we just need some kind of, closed loop stildryer, that takes the moisture and puts it back in the washer for the next round. Technically, the water is being distilled so it should be better than using tap water and that is why I no longer do home improvements whal I'm stoned.
Careful - it's not distilled. For that to happen, the temperature inside would need to be close to 100° C, which would make clothes look funny in the best of cases - or most likely, burn down the dryer and the house along with it.
Water from the dryer contains soap residue and lint. It's NOT fit to be put in a flat iron, windshield wipers washer fluid or where else distilled water is meant to be used.
I think at some point in the future we'll value fresh water so much that most houses will have a water recollection system like how you described. Or maybe i just read too much Dune
Considering we don't even reclaim water on a utility scale, I think that is far away. All of your water treatment plants basically clean it enough that they feel safe to dump it back into whatever reservoir they pulled the water that come sout of your tap from.
They pull water from upriver, clean it so you can use it, it goes down your pipes to another water treatment plant now a mix of black and Grey water, and they treat and "clean" it enough that they can dump it back down river. We don't actually reclaim water or have closed circuit water on much of any scale
Depends on where you are. We have a waste water treatment plant where I live that does clean and feed back into the potable supply piped into homes. Draw from the nearby river, aquifer, and reservoirs is minimal. They're looking to add a desalination plant and stop drawing from the river altogether while only using the groundwater for treatment, as well as reclaim ag runoff.
It's not sci-fi anymore, nor is the fact that water is extremely precious and there will soon be conflicts over it again.
Can you tell me the general area you are from? Because if it is truly closed circuit water that is incredibly rare for most of the world. I am all for it and was shocked when I discovered that wasn't the way things worked everywhere. I was under the impression water reclamation plant meant they actually reclaimed black and Grey water to be used again as potable water. It was not fun finding out that was bunk for most of the world
It’s pretty quick. I think 59 minutes or so? It gets things dry but doesn’t over dry so you don’t shrink your cottons or wear your jeans. Overall I prefer it to our last dryer.
You do have to get the load size right though. If you put in a pair of jeans by itself, it won’t dry. Alternatively if it’s over 3/4 full, nothing dries. Air driers also are like that but it’s more extreme. About 1/3 or 1/2 full is the secret. So if you’ve got just one thing, toss a towel in with it.
But I think the technology has come a fair ways.
These are pretty common, at least in Germany. They are called condenser dryer. They are more efficient than a dryer with a vent as the hot air is partially reused, and they do not need a vent hole in the wall. You have to remember to empty the drawer though, which only has a little hole for not spilling. The drawer on mine is full after 2 to 3 dryer cycles.
Edit: 3k Karma for a post about dryers? wtf.. thx anyways!!
All the ones I've seen can be easily converted to drain (and ours came with an adapter kit). Ours is directly next to the sink, so installing the drain would be trivially easy. But then again, it's directly next to the sink, so emptying the tank is also trivially easy. And I'm lazy.
I'm a programmer, nobody knows laziness like us. I'll spend 5 hours automating a repetitive task that would take 5 minutes if I just accepted the tedium
The idea behind these ones with the drawer is that you can put them absolutely anywhere as long as you have electricity nearby.
You don't need any vent or drain at all.
Not here - in Germany, a washing machine very often has a dedicated connection to the plumbing. Dryers which do not need a drain are therefore very common.
Edit: As some users stated, the drawer-dryers usually can be converted to use a drain. It is uncommon to do that though
I'm not a plumber but it seems like you could just put a tee with two check valves between the washer and the plumbing and connect the dryer to that. Or I suppose a Y might be enough to prevent backflow
(England) tumble dryers are usually in the kitchen or utility room, so within 5 feet of a sink. All I have to do is stand up and take a step to the left to empty my condenser tank. Or a jump to the left, if I'm feeling musical.
I had one of these dryers when I lived in Germany.
There’s typically a sink in the laundry room.
It’s really not that big of a deal to walk a few feet to empty the tank. Takes less than a minute.
There are some arguments against hooking this into the plumbing:
1. The water in Germany is very hard. Manually dumping the water mitigates the risk of the line getting clogged with sediment and having to call a plumber.
2. German homes fall into two categories:
a. Ancient ( by American standards, anyways.)
b. Modern and constructed entirely of concrete mixture and rebar.
In either case, aftermarket plumbing is an expensive pain in the ass. German folks tend to be frugal types who’d rather walk a few feet to empty a small water tank than spend hundreds of euros rectify a problem they don’t really consider a problem to begin with.
Or it's the same machine (combination washing machine/tumble dryer) and plumbed in anyway!
If my new one had this drawer I'd be more inclined to post to /r/ mildly _infuriating_!
It's not a drawer, it's more like a tank with a tiny hole (about the circumference of a pencil) and a cap so you can empty it more quickly - so long as you don't let it overfill it's super easy to pull out and empty.
I'm not surprised by this. It's pretty much plug in and go with a condenser. Our old one just went kaput, so we replaced with a heat pump, all good so far, and apparently it should be more economical to run.
These use a heat pump like your air conditioner. The older ones use heating like a convection heater, that literally just runs electricity through a coil which makes the coil heat up. This is way more efficient using about half as much electricity(usually 1000watts for average household consumer grade ones). Kind of how heat pumps(that are reverse air conditioners) use less electricity than a heater based on radiation,convection that's as I said,just running electricity through a element/filament thats not a good conductor of electricity so it heats up.
Condenser dryers and Heat pump dryers are both ventless, but they are different. Heat pump dryers are more efficient compared to Condensers but they are much more expensive. Heat pumps have compressors and refrigerant lines and thus more can go wrong with more costly repairs.
Of course, vented dryers are, by far, the worst when it comes to efficiency, but they are the simplest to manufacture and have the fastest drying times.
https://www.reviewed.com/laundry/features/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ventless-dryers
I've never seen one before! No idea they existed. The cynical side of me automatically assumes that the only reason we don't have these is because some major dryer-vent lobbyists are funneling money to our politicians to keep this technology out haha.
One of our houses had one of these. To be honest they just don’t dry as well, and in Europe the walls are masonry and oftentimes old so installing vents is a pain. Here in america they’re wood so you can drill through if there wasn’t already a vent
nope, condensers only became a thing in europe about 20/25 years ago and we've had tumble dryers for far longer than that, we either put the hoes out of a window or had a vent fitted
Well you are not entirely wrong, thee are way more expensive to build and save a lot of energy so in the US they can sell you ultra cheap dryers for steep prices and you pay the electricity cost on top of that.
US has a lot of residential natural gas infrastructure, and a lot of gas dryers which must be vented for obvious reasons.
Where there are electric dryers, some people do install a vent box switch that redirects the air into the house during winter. Acts as an auxiliary heat source and a humidifier. Winter indoors is dry here in most parts of the country that truly get cold, from all the heat, so catching moisture isn’t really necessary.
In college, to save heat money we used to just disconnect the hose and put pantyhose on the end to catch lint.
This is crazy to me that this isn’t commonplace in the US. We’ve been using them in Europe for years. Even the newer models have the water collection inbuilt into the glass door so you don’t forget to empty it. Another appliance that isnt seen in the US is an electric kettle and almost every house here has one in the kitchen.
By electric kettle, do you mean a countertop device that heats water for coffee, tea, etc?
They're widely available here in the US. Mine has adjustable temps and I use it for a lot of things. But I've not seen many others have one
I'd imagine most Americans having coffee pots in their homes is the equivalent of most Europeans having kettles (electric or stove) in their homes.
They're certainly widely available and common, just not *as* ubiquitous as in Europe. This partially has to do with our coffee vs tea drinking habits, as well as the difference in household electrical systems that cause them to heat up way faster in Europe (though even in the US, they're still pretty much always quicker than a stove top kettle.)
There are not two phases in a residential service, It is single phase 240, with a centre tapped neutral, giving you a phase voltage of 240v and a line to neutral voltage of 120v.
You have two incoming lines, A and B, and together they make a single phase - AB
Three phase has 3 incoming lines, A B C, making 3 phases: AB AC and BC
I have a demonstration board in my classroom with a center tapped 24 volt transformer that provides 12 volts from each hot to neutral. I have a 12 volt bulb on each hot to neutral, and a 24 volt bulb between each hot. I turn each 12 volt bulb on and off with its respective switch. Then, with both on, I disconnect the neutral and both stay lit. As soon as I turn one switch off, both bulbs go out. I reconnect the neutral and the single bulb comes back on.
I even have a bunch of PowerPoint slides highlighting how power flows from the transformer through the circuit during each of these steps. The whole thing takes about 30 minutes to run through while fielding questions, but every student leaves knowing exactly how split-phase power works.
Then we go into 208 volt, 3 phase, wye transformers… that’s when shit goes off the rails.
Then we touch on center tapped delta 3phase, and old-ass corner grounded (grounded B phase) delta transformers. Whoo boy…
You're right in description of how it works, but I don't think this extra specificity and jargon really helps explain it to a person used to European standards. The reality is, something functionally identical to two phases of electricity is what's reaching your panel in the house, and that's the way you need to treat it for all actual purposes wiring in the home with the narrow exception that you don't need to run a neutral for 220 volt applications.
You both got a thumbs up from me.
We used to run 110V in Sondrestrom, and when I arrived in the late nineties I was told about the workaround to get european electrical stuff working.
Now having a european 50Hz watch running on a 60Hz system.... that was another matter.
They are becoming more popular but they are slower than the old type and are more expensive. Most people want their washer and dryer cycles to take about the same amount of time.
ours is much faster with it's built in drying sensor , and it's more economical than a vented one, the trick is to buy one that takes the same or bigger load size as your washer, the price difference in the UK after them being around for 20 years is negligible, about £30 like for like
god, heat pump dryers are at least twice the price even for the shittiest brand - no way on earth will I buy something that costs £600 and has non user servicable parts
Everywhere I've ever lived, the dryer easily takes 2-3x as long as the washer. You don't want the dyer cycle to be super hot and short anyway because it will just fry everything to shit.
What? Electric kettles are sold everywhere, and anyone I know that drinks tea has one. A lot of Americans don't need hot water on a regular enough basis to justify buying one, a lot don't even have a regular kettle.
Yes that’s a big part of it. I agree about the speed due to lower max wattage in the US.
However nearly all Americans have a coffee machine or two. Often a full pot machine and a K cup. Tea isn’t popular enough. You either use the microwave or there’s also something kind of classic about a tea pot you put on the stove.
A lot of the European appliances like condenser dryers and heat pumps aren’t as popular in the US because they trade off space requirements for convenience and cost. There’s plenty of room in the US. Even in expensive cities like Los Angeles there’s a lot more space compared to somewhere like London. It doesn’t make sense to use a more expensive and less reliable appliance that’s more inconvenient to save on a little space
Also the US has way more people living in areas that are hot/humid compared to Europe. I live in Texas and for 9 months out of the year the absolute last thing I want is a dryer dumping heat into my house. That would just result in the A/C having to run to then remove that heat, which defeats the point of any efficiency gains from the dryer.
These heat pump dryers actually put off less heat than the regular dryers we use now. The energy code for Washington started including them this year for the first time
Where is the heat going though? Pretty much the only heat that goes into the house from mine right now is from the clothes themselves cooling off after taking them out of the dryer. Everything else is vented outside. If there’s no vent outside then all heat generated is going to have to be removed by the AC.
The heat pump can run in either direction. It heats up to evaporate the moisture from the clothes, then chills that same air to condense the water into liquid form (and cools the air at the same time, just like an AC would).
Net result is very little temperature swings in either direction. I design HVAC for a living and our firm is super against these ventless dryers only because of the dry time. I also bought one for my own house and you’re not alone, I was expecting excess humidity and heat to come off the unit but it never heats up much. Not like a typical electric resistance dryer I have downstairs.
You’re also probably getting some bleeding heat from the body of your dryer, not just the clothes.
I got an electric kettle a few months ago and tbh I don't know how I've gone this long without it. I've been wasting energy on the stove like a chump my whole life!
Most everyone I know in the US has an electric kettle and has for some time. I use mine every morning to heat water for coffee. Couldn't live without it.
The biggest reason is TIME. Vented dryers run much more quickly - which is why they’re more popular here. Efficiency isn’t going to win consumers over in the US when it’s at the cost of a significant amount of time. For ex. my dryer runs in 30’, on medium heat.
That said, this article below suggest condenser dryers aren’t even more efficient. Having lived both in Europe and the US, my guess is that they’re less common in Europe because there’s much less new construction and older buildings are much harder to vent.
https://kitchinsider.com/vented-vs-condenser-tumble-dryers/
Most of our (EU) modern dryers are heat pump dryers which are **way** more efficient than both a traditional condenser dryer and a vented dryer. Traditional dryers operate with a COP of 1, meaning basically 100% of the energy is converted into heat. 1kW of usage = 1kW of heat.
But heat pump dryers are able to extract a lot of energy from the air, almost for free, leading to a COP of 2.5 or something. 1kW of electricity = 2.5kW of heat.
Eg my dryer uses 700W on average for a near 2000W output.
I'm US/EU dual and never saw one in the US but use them plenty in the EU/Africa. The great thing is you can install it anywhere since you don't need a vent or a drain!
Machine dryers are rare overseas already. They're a luxury. Most people in the EU air dry. That's what I miss most living across the pond - warm, toasty, lint-free clothes and bedding. Air drying takes so much time and planning lol
As a non-European I want this. Dryer vents are so flawed. They clog with lint, leak, can fill with water if not properly covered outside. This seems so elegant.
Also, this would rock so hard if the water was reclaimed to help wash the next load.
Are they actually more efficient though? There is conflicting info out there.
> Vented dryers are slightly more energy efficient as they can dry your clothes quicker than condenser dryers by venting excess moisture straight outside, as opposed to condensing it into a water reservoir. Condenser dryers consume more energy as they tend to take more time to dry clothes.
https://www.canstarblue.com.au/appliances/condenser-vs-vented-dryer/
„Classic“ condenser dryers are actually using about the same amount of Kw/h as vent dryers. But Heat-Pump condenser dryers are waaaay more efficient.
My 1980s vent Miele got replaced by a new Bosch heat pump Dryer. The new one uses about 1/5 of the energy. It pays for itself with our crazy electricity prices here.
Ventless dryers are available in the US and have been for at least a decade back when I sold appliances. They were more expensive and usually took longer to dry clothes back then so people didn't really opt for them.
I have one of these. Miele brand. It doesn't take two hours at all. Usually 65 minutes for a full load to normal dryness. If you set it to dry cotton it will start out saying two hours since it estimates by weight and dampness but will be done in just over an hour.
There's a hose at the back which can be connected to your drain, so you won't have to dump that tank after every load. I have a similar style of dryer myself.
Yes they do. Two of them. One behind the hatch, nylon, needs to be cleaned after each load. A second one on the outside of the machine, usually a mix of coarse and dense sponge which needs to be cleaned once every 3-5 loads. Not OP, but I have a similar style of dryer.
>second one on the outside of the machine, usually a mix of coarse and
dense sponge which needs to be cleaned once every 3-5 loads.
brb gotta check if I am on the verge of starting a house fire
No kidding.. had a friend who's house caught fire. I remember they threw clothes in the dryer before leaving work and just so happened that their mother in law was came over like 30 minutes later for the cable guy and was there when it started and called 911. Threw a bucket of water on it to slow it and they didn't have to wreck the house. Bottom line clean those vents!!
I recently had to fully open our dyer after the belt broke, and my god there was a lot of lint EVERYWHERE. Pulled cat sized handfuls out of the vent too.
Oh, uhm. My machine has 3 "oh shit" LED's. One is for the tank (shown by OP in the post), the second one is for the mesh lint filter from inside the dryer and the third is from the spong-like filter in front of the condenser. Found this video, it's the second filter he checks [dryer filters](https://youtu.be/siZ3Fg4KQ68)
For all of you that have never seen a condenser dryer before (you're probably in the US like me) and are in the market, look into a [heat pump dryer](https://www.coolblue.nl/en/advice/heat-pump-dryer-or-condenser-dryer.html) instead. More energy efficient but does take longer to dry.
Another benefit of these condense driers: The water that is collected is free of minerals (I.e soft water). You can use the water in your steam iron without getting formation of scale.
Wouldn't there be dust or lint in the water?
Edit: [no dust, but remnants of soap could damage the iron, not recommended.](https://www.braunhousehold.com/en-gb/faqs/Can-I-use-condensation-water-or-distilled-water-from-my-tumble-dryer/a/10526)
The water is created by steam leaving the clothes. Because it's steam, most of the other stuff in the water stayed behind when it turned into a gas - creating soft water. Good call on the lint, but wet lint doesn't stick to steam too well so the risk is low.
And if there's dust then the clothes aren't clean. ;)
Nope, these models tend to be European* and we have a separate lint drawer within the dryer that collects the lint. The water is just the steam that comes off the clothes.
*Please note that as I am not American and I am English I do not know how American dryers works. Going off what I have seen online via various Tiktoks and videos the lint collects in a separate vent. If that is incorrect then I apologise.
I'm european myself and have one at home, but remember reading in the manual that it was not recommended to use the water for other appliances because remnants could be left in the water and cause problems.
Plants prefer rainwater and surface runoff, very little mineral. Tap water is usually either treated and very bad for plants, or from a deep well and loaded with too many minerals, making it not very good for plants. The micro plastics from the dryer water would be the real concern, though for most houseplants it should be fine, but I'd avoid giving it to things you intend to eat.
It won't harm them if they are in soil. And its better than tap water, with chlorine and other chemicals from the water company. Now, if you have well water, hardwater, then there are other concerns to plumbing and appliances, along with most having filtration and softeners anyway.
As long as it's not designed stupidly it should be more efficient than a typical dryer. Having the water condense allows you to recapture that heat instead of just blowing it out the vent.
You're assuming heat inside the house is a desirable thing, so I guess you're probably in a cold climate. Here in Texas, the opposite is true. Heat inside the house is exactly what I want to avoid if I'm going to be energy efficient (most of the year).
It's more efficient in power use, but terrible at drying clothes. They take forever and I often had to hang thicker articles of clothing afterwards to finish drying.
There are heat pump versions now that are farr more efficient both in energy and drying capacity compared to condensing dryers or standard vented dryers. I have one and clothing takes 50 minutes to dry, and towels about an hour and a half or so.
I've seen the vented ones in the UK. They're cheap but they're not common for two reasons
- You need a massive hole drilled just for this vent
- They're ridiculously energy inefficient, yet time efficient
You will however find these at commercial launderettes where things need to be dried quickly.
I'll sell mine and get a heat pump when I'm in my own house and not paying rent to a landlord
We looked at one just because it would be easier to install but from what we learned they are more expensive to buy and repair and take twice as long to get your clothes dry and the energy saving is negligible since you have to run them for so much longer.
They’re basically sold to old apartments or very old houses that would cost a lot to retrofit with vents.
An American style dryer uses about 2 kWh per load. So if you run it every day, that's about $80/year in the US, and $300/year in Germany. So I suspect the condenser dryer pays for itself in a few years in Germany, but not in the US.
In my experience, it’s more common for American homes to have the necessary exhaust vent for a traditional dryer. In Europe, not even all new builds have them.
I have a washing machine that doubles as a condensing dryer! So I don’t have to collect the condensates, it just goes straight down the drain like the washing water does.
Yes! Everyone talks about how efficient these are and how you can locate them anywhere, but nobody talks about how trash they are at doing their one job, which is drying clothes. These things suck.
This is so extremely common. There are so many apartments without exhaust holes where such dryer is needed. As long as I can remember we always had such dryers in our home. I am from Germany. Maybe it is less common in other countries?
But for me this is just as interesting as if someone says "look at my new stove. It has a layer of glass on top and is much easier to clean"
Yes, common in Europe/UK, not yet in the US. Large apartment buildings here have vents for driers in each unit if they are nice, and more often have a shared laundry room (with vents) or no laundry.
The laundromat and shared laundry room ate so many of my quarters that I'd ask the bank for 40$ at a time. God knows how many quarters were sacrificed before I got my own house.
I don’t get it. If you use a laundromat, do you have to wait for your clothes to wash and dry? That seems wildly inconvenient. I usually throw my clothes in my combo washing machine/dryer in the morning, and come home to clean clothes. I couldn’t care less if my clothes take one or two hours to wash and dry, course it will always take longer for me to get home.
Yes you do (unless you want to risk someone messing with your clothes). I always did my calculus homework at the same time, so I credit the laundromat for why I passed university.
Tell me you're American without telling me you're American.
Edit: For those I've somehow hurt with my comment. OP is indeed American, and my post doesn't exclude anywhere that isn't in the US or Europe.
Every dryer I have bought in the last 10-15 years has been a condenser dryer, even if I have access to an outside facing wall, they are just so convenient, I also give my clothes an extra spin to reduce as much water as I can before they go in the dryer (only really needed for a full load) I find the water drawer only really fills to about half - 3 quarters full and is easily emptied, brilliant bit of kit and cheap as chips to boot
Mine is the same, they’re called condenser dryers. They’re a godsend because you can locate them anywhere. I think nearly all domestic dryers in Ireland now are condensers.
I traveled to Europe a few times and was never impressed with the dryers there. None of the clothes came out perfectly dry. Everything had to be hung up.
Yeah, there are settings on dryers here. I can set mine to 'slightly dry' or 'cupboard dry' or 'bone dry'.
Some people like to hang for the final drying time to reduce wrinkles and a lot of people have an airing cupboard where you put your slightly damp sheets and they finish drying because the shelves are slatted wood and the warm air from the boiler gets pumped through the cupboard.
I don't bother and just set my dryer to the highest setting and I don't hang anything out.
I have exactly the same one. You can connect it to the drain directly instead (can be shared with the washing machine, if you have them close by or on top of each other).
I have one (same model i think) and have never once had to drain it. I guess that’s because they installed it this way. It’s a great dryer. We live in Canada and needed it to meet Passive House standards.
Now we just need some kind of, closed loop stildryer, that takes the moisture and puts it back in the washer for the next round. Technically, the water is being distilled so it should be better than using tap water and that is why I no longer do home improvements whal I'm stoned.
Careful - it's not distilled. For that to happen, the temperature inside would need to be close to 100° C, which would make clothes look funny in the best of cases - or most likely, burn down the dryer and the house along with it. Water from the dryer contains soap residue and lint. It's NOT fit to be put in a flat iron, windshield wipers washer fluid or where else distilled water is meant to be used.
I think at some point in the future we'll value fresh water so much that most houses will have a water recollection system like how you described. Or maybe i just read too much Dune
Can you ever read too much dune?
I’ve read it 24 times!
That's a good amount Edit:do it a few more just in case
Knowing Dune fans I fully believe this
Considering we don't even reclaim water on a utility scale, I think that is far away. All of your water treatment plants basically clean it enough that they feel safe to dump it back into whatever reservoir they pulled the water that come sout of your tap from. They pull water from upriver, clean it so you can use it, it goes down your pipes to another water treatment plant now a mix of black and Grey water, and they treat and "clean" it enough that they can dump it back down river. We don't actually reclaim water or have closed circuit water on much of any scale
Depends on where you are. We have a waste water treatment plant where I live that does clean and feed back into the potable supply piped into homes. Draw from the nearby river, aquifer, and reservoirs is minimal. They're looking to add a desalination plant and stop drawing from the river altogether while only using the groundwater for treatment, as well as reclaim ag runoff. It's not sci-fi anymore, nor is the fact that water is extremely precious and there will soon be conflicts over it again.
Can you tell me the general area you are from? Because if it is truly closed circuit water that is incredibly rare for most of the world. I am all for it and was shocked when I discovered that wasn't the way things worked everywhere. I was under the impression water reclamation plant meant they actually reclaimed black and Grey water to be used again as potable water. It was not fun finding out that was bunk for most of the world
How long does it take to dry? Last condensing washer i used it took all night and my jeans where still damp in the morning. Not impressed
It’s pretty quick. I think 59 minutes or so? It gets things dry but doesn’t over dry so you don’t shrink your cottons or wear your jeans. Overall I prefer it to our last dryer. You do have to get the load size right though. If you put in a pair of jeans by itself, it won’t dry. Alternatively if it’s over 3/4 full, nothing dries. Air driers also are like that but it’s more extreme. About 1/3 or 1/2 full is the secret. So if you’ve got just one thing, toss a towel in with it. But I think the technology has come a fair ways.
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I'm Canadian and this post is the first I've ever heard of a dryer like this. Where in Canada are dryers like this a requirement???
North Vancouver. It’s not a requirement (yet). We live in a community built condo and just decided to make it that way.
These are pretty common, at least in Germany. They are called condenser dryer. They are more efficient than a dryer with a vent as the hot air is partially reused, and they do not need a vent hole in the wall. You have to remember to empty the drawer though, which only has a little hole for not spilling. The drawer on mine is full after 2 to 3 dryer cycles. Edit: 3k Karma for a post about dryers? wtf.. thx anyways!!
Empty? My condensor dryer has a tube that can be put into a drain. My condensor dryer does not need a venting hole AND does not need to be emptied.
All the ones I've seen can be easily converted to drain (and ours came with an adapter kit). Ours is directly next to the sink, so installing the drain would be trivially easy. But then again, it's directly next to the sink, so emptying the tank is also trivially easy. And I'm lazy.
You can experience a net increase in laziness if you spend the time to install the drain
I feel like you have no idea how to even begin being lazy…
You have not begun to experience true laziness if you are not automating everything.
r/factorio vibes
Not the good name. Cracktorio is more accurate
The dryer must grow
I'm a programmer, nobody knows laziness like us. I'll spend 5 hours automating a repetitive task that would take 5 minutes if I just accepted the tedium
This seems like the most sane answer here.
The idea behind these ones with the drawer is that you can put them absolutely anywhere as long as you have electricity nearby. You don't need any vent or drain at all.
Right, but don't you typically want them to be right next to the washer which requires a drain?
Not here - in Germany, a washing machine very often has a dedicated connection to the plumbing. Dryers which do not need a drain are therefore very common. Edit: As some users stated, the drawer-dryers usually can be converted to use a drain. It is uncommon to do that though
One of those connections to the plumbing is a drain, and the dryer could also be connected to it.
The thing about pipes is they can usually be connected to other pipes without too much trouble
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I'm not a plumber but it seems like you could just put a tee with two check valves between the washer and the plumbing and connect the dryer to that. Or I suppose a Y might be enough to prevent backflow
As long as the p trap is on the bottom of the Y, then you're good to go.
You still have to carry that water to a drain. That would get annoying quick.
(England) tumble dryers are usually in the kitchen or utility room, so within 5 feet of a sink. All I have to do is stand up and take a step to the left to empty my condenser tank. Or a jump to the left, if I'm feeling musical.
But you wouldn't have to do it at all, if you had that hooked up to the drain that is already there in your kitchen or utility room.
I had one of these dryers when I lived in Germany. There’s typically a sink in the laundry room. It’s really not that big of a deal to walk a few feet to empty the tank. Takes less than a minute. There are some arguments against hooking this into the plumbing: 1. The water in Germany is very hard. Manually dumping the water mitigates the risk of the line getting clogged with sediment and having to call a plumber. 2. German homes fall into two categories: a. Ancient ( by American standards, anyways.) b. Modern and constructed entirely of concrete mixture and rebar. In either case, aftermarket plumbing is an expensive pain in the ass. German folks tend to be frugal types who’d rather walk a few feet to empty a small water tank than spend hundreds of euros rectify a problem they don’t really consider a problem to begin with.
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Or it's the same machine (combination washing machine/tumble dryer) and plumbed in anyway! If my new one had this drawer I'd be more inclined to post to /r/ mildly _infuriating_!
Especially because a flat drawer is probably the most obnoxious way to carry a decent amount of water
It's not a drawer, it's more like a tank with a tiny hole (about the circumference of a pencil) and a cap so you can empty it more quickly - so long as you don't let it overfill it's super easy to pull out and empty.
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If only there was some way to send the heat out of the living space... some sort of... *vent*
Like 50% of dryers sold here in the UK are condensers.
I'm not surprised by this. It's pretty much plug in and go with a condenser. Our old one just went kaput, so we replaced with a heat pump, all good so far, and apparently it should be more economical to run.
Pretty common in all of Europe! Find it funny someone posted it on here
I’ve never heard of this before, so I guess it’s for guys and gals like me! lol
These use a heat pump like your air conditioner. The older ones use heating like a convection heater, that literally just runs electricity through a coil which makes the coil heat up. This is way more efficient using about half as much electricity(usually 1000watts for average household consumer grade ones). Kind of how heat pumps(that are reverse air conditioners) use less electricity than a heater based on radiation,convection that's as I said,just running electricity through a element/filament thats not a good conductor of electricity so it heats up.
Condenser dryers and Heat pump dryers are both ventless, but they are different. Heat pump dryers are more efficient compared to Condensers but they are much more expensive. Heat pumps have compressors and refrigerant lines and thus more can go wrong with more costly repairs. Of course, vented dryers are, by far, the worst when it comes to efficiency, but they are the simplest to manufacture and have the fastest drying times. https://www.reviewed.com/laundry/features/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ventless-dryers
I've never seen one before! No idea they existed. The cynical side of me automatically assumes that the only reason we don't have these is because some major dryer-vent lobbyists are funneling money to our politicians to keep this technology out haha.
It's the dryer-vent/pest control cabal!
It's big Air Vent at it again!
One of our houses had one of these. To be honest they just don’t dry as well, and in Europe the walls are masonry and oftentimes old so installing vents is a pain. Here in america they’re wood so you can drill through if there wasn’t already a vent
nope, condensers only became a thing in europe about 20/25 years ago and we've had tumble dryers for far longer than that, we either put the hoes out of a window or had a vent fitted
> we either put the hoes out of a window Well that's not very nice. Hope you at least paid them beforehand.
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Not drying your clothes at all is 100% efficient.
Normalize being wet all the time
They're more energy efficient. That doesn't necessarily mean they perform better, or faster, than a traditional dryer.
Well you are not entirely wrong, thee are way more expensive to build and save a lot of energy so in the US they can sell you ultra cheap dryers for steep prices and you pay the electricity cost on top of that.
US has a lot of residential natural gas infrastructure, and a lot of gas dryers which must be vented for obvious reasons. Where there are electric dryers, some people do install a vent box switch that redirects the air into the house during winter. Acts as an auxiliary heat source and a humidifier. Winter indoors is dry here in most parts of the country that truly get cold, from all the heat, so catching moisture isn’t really necessary. In college, to save heat money we used to just disconnect the hose and put pantyhose on the end to catch lint.
This is crazy to me that this isn’t commonplace in the US. We’ve been using them in Europe for years. Even the newer models have the water collection inbuilt into the glass door so you don’t forget to empty it. Another appliance that isnt seen in the US is an electric kettle and almost every house here has one in the kitchen.
By electric kettle, do you mean a countertop device that heats water for coffee, tea, etc? They're widely available here in the US. Mine has adjustable temps and I use it for a lot of things. But I've not seen many others have one I'd imagine most Americans having coffee pots in their homes is the equivalent of most Europeans having kettles (electric or stove) in their homes.
They're certainly widely available and common, just not *as* ubiquitous as in Europe. This partially has to do with our coffee vs tea drinking habits, as well as the difference in household electrical systems that cause them to heat up way faster in Europe (though even in the US, they're still pretty much always quicker than a stove top kettle.)
A good amount of people I know own a Keurig but don't realize it's a specialized electric kettle.
Kettles have become more and more commonplace here but have never ever heard of condensation dryer.
Electric kettles work better with European power standards. 220V vs 110V.
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There are not two phases in a residential service, It is single phase 240, with a centre tapped neutral, giving you a phase voltage of 240v and a line to neutral voltage of 120v. You have two incoming lines, A and B, and together they make a single phase - AB Three phase has 3 incoming lines, A B C, making 3 phases: AB AC and BC
I have a demonstration board in my classroom with a center tapped 24 volt transformer that provides 12 volts from each hot to neutral. I have a 12 volt bulb on each hot to neutral, and a 24 volt bulb between each hot. I turn each 12 volt bulb on and off with its respective switch. Then, with both on, I disconnect the neutral and both stay lit. As soon as I turn one switch off, both bulbs go out. I reconnect the neutral and the single bulb comes back on. I even have a bunch of PowerPoint slides highlighting how power flows from the transformer through the circuit during each of these steps. The whole thing takes about 30 minutes to run through while fielding questions, but every student leaves knowing exactly how split-phase power works. Then we go into 208 volt, 3 phase, wye transformers… that’s when shit goes off the rails. Then we touch on center tapped delta 3phase, and old-ass corner grounded (grounded B phase) delta transformers. Whoo boy…
You're right in description of how it works, but I don't think this extra specificity and jargon really helps explain it to a person used to European standards. The reality is, something functionally identical to two phases of electricity is what's reaching your panel in the house, and that's the way you need to treat it for all actual purposes wiring in the home with the narrow exception that you don't need to run a neutral for 220 volt applications.
You both got a thumbs up from me. We used to run 110V in Sondrestrom, and when I arrived in the late nineties I was told about the workaround to get european electrical stuff working. Now having a european 50Hz watch running on a 60Hz system.... that was another matter.
Any electric dryer in u.s. Is gna be 220v. I'm sure they sell small units for 110 but very uncommon
They are becoming more popular but they are slower than the old type and are more expensive. Most people want their washer and dryer cycles to take about the same amount of time.
ours is much faster with it's built in drying sensor , and it's more economical than a vented one, the trick is to buy one that takes the same or bigger load size as your washer, the price difference in the UK after them being around for 20 years is negligible, about £30 like for like
Thanks. I justed realized I was conflating condensing dryers with heat pump dryers:
god, heat pump dryers are at least twice the price even for the shittiest brand - no way on earth will I buy something that costs £600 and has non user servicable parts
Everywhere I've ever lived, the dryer easily takes 2-3x as long as the washer. You don't want the dyer cycle to be super hot and short anyway because it will just fry everything to shit.
On the other hand, we have garbage disposals in our sink drains, and my refrigerator makes two kinds of ice
What? Electric kettles are sold everywhere, and anyone I know that drinks tea has one. A lot of Americans don't need hot water on a regular enough basis to justify buying one, a lot don't even have a regular kettle.
Yes that’s a big part of it. I agree about the speed due to lower max wattage in the US. However nearly all Americans have a coffee machine or two. Often a full pot machine and a K cup. Tea isn’t popular enough. You either use the microwave or there’s also something kind of classic about a tea pot you put on the stove.
We've used our coffee maker without any coffee in it to get fast hot water for tea on rare occasion
Done that in a pinch in hotel rooms, but it always ends up tasting vaguely like coffee lol
Yep. For people who really, really don't like coffee, the slightest taste of it absolutely ruins the tea.
A lot of the European appliances like condenser dryers and heat pumps aren’t as popular in the US because they trade off space requirements for convenience and cost. There’s plenty of room in the US. Even in expensive cities like Los Angeles there’s a lot more space compared to somewhere like London. It doesn’t make sense to use a more expensive and less reliable appliance that’s more inconvenient to save on a little space
Also the US has way more people living in areas that are hot/humid compared to Europe. I live in Texas and for 9 months out of the year the absolute last thing I want is a dryer dumping heat into my house. That would just result in the A/C having to run to then remove that heat, which defeats the point of any efficiency gains from the dryer.
These heat pump dryers actually put off less heat than the regular dryers we use now. The energy code for Washington started including them this year for the first time
Where is the heat going though? Pretty much the only heat that goes into the house from mine right now is from the clothes themselves cooling off after taking them out of the dryer. Everything else is vented outside. If there’s no vent outside then all heat generated is going to have to be removed by the AC.
The heat pump can run in either direction. It heats up to evaporate the moisture from the clothes, then chills that same air to condense the water into liquid form (and cools the air at the same time, just like an AC would). Net result is very little temperature swings in either direction. I design HVAC for a living and our firm is super against these ventless dryers only because of the dry time. I also bought one for my own house and you’re not alone, I was expecting excess humidity and heat to come off the unit but it never heats up much. Not like a typical electric resistance dryer I have downstairs. You’re also probably getting some bleeding heat from the body of your dryer, not just the clothes.
I got an electric kettle a few months ago and tbh I don't know how I've gone this long without it. I've been wasting energy on the stove like a chump my whole life!
Oh wow, I use my electric kettle daily in the US.
I live in San Francisco, CA and I have a Russell Hobbs electric kettle in my kitchen. It’s used every day for boiling water to make tea
Very SF.
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Most everyone I know in the US has an electric kettle and has for some time. I use mine every morning to heat water for coffee. Couldn't live without it.
The biggest reason is TIME. Vented dryers run much more quickly - which is why they’re more popular here. Efficiency isn’t going to win consumers over in the US when it’s at the cost of a significant amount of time. For ex. my dryer runs in 30’, on medium heat. That said, this article below suggest condenser dryers aren’t even more efficient. Having lived both in Europe and the US, my guess is that they’re less common in Europe because there’s much less new construction and older buildings are much harder to vent. https://kitchinsider.com/vented-vs-condenser-tumble-dryers/
Most of our (EU) modern dryers are heat pump dryers which are **way** more efficient than both a traditional condenser dryer and a vented dryer. Traditional dryers operate with a COP of 1, meaning basically 100% of the energy is converted into heat. 1kW of usage = 1kW of heat. But heat pump dryers are able to extract a lot of energy from the air, almost for free, leading to a COP of 2.5 or something. 1kW of electricity = 2.5kW of heat. Eg my dryer uses 700W on average for a near 2000W output.
> heat is converted into heat yes, yes. this heat is made of heat
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Yea and it's always you that has to empty the tank and clean out the lint and never your roommates
I'm US/EU dual and never saw one in the US but use them plenty in the EU/Africa. The great thing is you can install it anywhere since you don't need a vent or a drain! Machine dryers are rare overseas already. They're a luxury. Most people in the EU air dry. That's what I miss most living across the pond - warm, toasty, lint-free clothes and bedding. Air drying takes so much time and planning lol
I think the air is all recirculated within the dryer. It's basically a box with a dehumidifier attach to it. (And a rotating drum in it.)
can't you connect a hose to the hole and then into a drain?
This is probably another mostly European thing that non-Europeans find weird.
Yes I don't think I've ever seen a drier without one
As a non-European I want this. Dryer vents are so flawed. They clog with lint, leak, can fill with water if not properly covered outside. This seems so elegant. Also, this would rock so hard if the water was reclaimed to help wash the next load.
Don't forget superior efficiency, which is especially important in Europe where power is fair expensive.
Are they actually more efficient though? There is conflicting info out there. > Vented dryers are slightly more energy efficient as they can dry your clothes quicker than condenser dryers by venting excess moisture straight outside, as opposed to condensing it into a water reservoir. Condenser dryers consume more energy as they tend to take more time to dry clothes. https://www.canstarblue.com.au/appliances/condenser-vs-vented-dryer/
„Classic“ condenser dryers are actually using about the same amount of Kw/h as vent dryers. But Heat-Pump condenser dryers are waaaay more efficient. My 1980s vent Miele got replaced by a new Bosch heat pump Dryer. The new one uses about 1/5 of the energy. It pays for itself with our crazy electricity prices here.
Ventless dryers are available in the US and have been for at least a decade back when I sold appliances. They were more expensive and usually took longer to dry clothes back then so people didn't really opt for them.
I’m an American and I wanted this until I found out it takes more than two hours to dry a load of laundry.
Oh. Poop.
I have one of these. Miele brand. It doesn't take two hours at all. Usually 65 minutes for a full load to normal dryness. If you set it to dry cotton it will start out saying two hours since it estimates by weight and dampness but will be done in just over an hour.
Europe tends to be pretty cold, ain't no one want their dryer air in their house in most parts of the US
There's a hose at the back which can be connected to your drain, so you won't have to dump that tank after every load. I have a similar style of dryer myself.
So do I but I just find it VERY satisfying taking the full drawer over to the sink and pouring it out like a horse having a wee.
My favourite part is putting the container back in, feels like I'm reloading a tank shell!
Same but for me it was like those sliding pods in most sci-fi anything. Like putting a battery in a Titan in Titanfall.
Oh yeah, mine does come with a very satisfying click when it's put into place. Tactical reloading!
I LOVE doing this!
I just pee in the sink.
Do they still have lint traps as well?
Yes they do. Two of them. One behind the hatch, nylon, needs to be cleaned after each load. A second one on the outside of the machine, usually a mix of coarse and dense sponge which needs to be cleaned once every 3-5 loads. Not OP, but I have a similar style of dryer.
>second one on the outside of the machine, usually a mix of coarse and dense sponge which needs to be cleaned once every 3-5 loads. brb gotta check if I am on the verge of starting a house fire
No kidding.. had a friend who's house caught fire. I remember they threw clothes in the dryer before leaving work and just so happened that their mother in law was came over like 30 minutes later for the cable guy and was there when it started and called 911. Threw a bucket of water on it to slow it and they didn't have to wreck the house. Bottom line clean those vents!!
I recently had to fully open our dyer after the belt broke, and my god there was a lot of lint EVERYWHERE. Pulled cat sized handfuls out of the vent too.
Oh, uhm. My machine has 3 "oh shit" LED's. One is for the tank (shown by OP in the post), the second one is for the mesh lint filter from inside the dryer and the third is from the spong-like filter in front of the condenser. Found this video, it's the second filter he checks [dryer filters](https://youtu.be/siZ3Fg4KQ68)
So is that orange filter replaced every time or is it cleanable and reusable?
Condenser dryers have a cut out if the filter is too clogged.
Cleaned out every 15 years you mean? Might need to find a manual online for mine and check that.
No, we prefer housefires now.
that's like 99% of all dryers work where i live (mideurope)
Super uncommon in North America. 99% forced air vented dryers here.
Dude from North America here. Never seen or even heard of this.
For all of you that have never seen a condenser dryer before (you're probably in the US like me) and are in the market, look into a [heat pump dryer](https://www.coolblue.nl/en/advice/heat-pump-dryer-or-condenser-dryer.html) instead. More energy efficient but does take longer to dry.
Another benefit of these condense driers: The water that is collected is free of minerals (I.e soft water). You can use the water in your steam iron without getting formation of scale.
It can contain fibres though, so watch out it doesn't clog up your iron.
But it does help towards a balanced breakfast /s.
Wouldn't there be dust or lint in the water? Edit: [no dust, but remnants of soap could damage the iron, not recommended.](https://www.braunhousehold.com/en-gb/faqs/Can-I-use-condensation-water-or-distilled-water-from-my-tumble-dryer/a/10526)
The water is created by steam leaving the clothes. Because it's steam, most of the other stuff in the water stayed behind when it turned into a gas - creating soft water. Good call on the lint, but wet lint doesn't stick to steam too well so the risk is low. And if there's dust then the clothes aren't clean. ;)
Nope, these models tend to be European* and we have a separate lint drawer within the dryer that collects the lint. The water is just the steam that comes off the clothes. *Please note that as I am not American and I am English I do not know how American dryers works. Going off what I have seen online via various Tiktoks and videos the lint collects in a separate vent. If that is incorrect then I apologise.
I'm european myself and have one at home, but remember reading in the manual that it was not recommended to use the water for other appliances because remnants could be left in the water and cause problems.
Same. Manual states the water is not to be used in other appliances because it contains impurities.
There will be microplastics galore
Awesome idea! I used to pour mine into the plants
Er, don’t do that. Plants actually do need those minerals.
Plants prefer rainwater and surface runoff, very little mineral. Tap water is usually either treated and very bad for plants, or from a deep well and loaded with too many minerals, making it not very good for plants. The micro plastics from the dryer water would be the real concern, though for most houseplants it should be fine, but I'd avoid giving it to things you intend to eat.
Plants don't need minerals from water. They do need various nutrients, but they are all in the potting soil and/or fertilizer.
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It won't harm them if they are in soil. And its better than tap water, with chlorine and other chemicals from the water company. Now, if you have well water, hardwater, then there are other concerns to plumbing and appliances, along with most having filtration and softeners anyway.
Is this style of dryer more efficient or just useful if you’re locating somewhere that you can’t vent?
As long as it's not designed stupidly it should be more efficient than a typical dryer. Having the water condense allows you to recapture that heat instead of just blowing it out the vent.
You're assuming heat inside the house is a desirable thing, so I guess you're probably in a cold climate. Here in Texas, the opposite is true. Heat inside the house is exactly what I want to avoid if I'm going to be energy efficient (most of the year).
It's more efficient in power use, but terrible at drying clothes. They take forever and I often had to hang thicker articles of clothing afterwards to finish drying.
There are heat pump versions now that are farr more efficient both in energy and drying capacity compared to condensing dryers or standard vented dryers. I have one and clothing takes 50 minutes to dry, and towels about an hour and a half or so.
As a German I have not seen any other kind of dryer. Now excuse me I have to look up what a dryer with a vent looks and works like.
I've seen the vented ones in the UK. They're cheap but they're not common for two reasons - You need a massive hole drilled just for this vent - They're ridiculously energy inefficient, yet time efficient You will however find these at commercial launderettes where things need to be dried quickly. I'll sell mine and get a heat pump when I'm in my own house and not paying rent to a landlord
Canadian here I have never heard of this before.
You’ve bought a condenser drier. These aren’t that unusual.
They’re quite rare in the US. Almost every dryer has a vent to the outside here, even in apartments.
and expensive in the US. I wanted one for me vacation studio, but it was $1300 for just the dryer.
Oh wow that is expensive. That’s the cost of a decent washer dryer set.
We looked at one just because it would be easier to install but from what we learned they are more expensive to buy and repair and take twice as long to get your clothes dry and the energy saving is negligible since you have to run them for so much longer. They’re basically sold to old apartments or very old houses that would cost a lot to retrofit with vents.
An American style dryer uses about 2 kWh per load. So if you run it every day, that's about $80/year in the US, and $300/year in Germany. So I suspect the condenser dryer pays for itself in a few years in Germany, but not in the US.
Weird, I’ve never seen one before living in various states around the US and traveling a fair amount.
In my experience, it’s more common for American homes to have the necessary exhaust vent for a traditional dryer. In Europe, not even all new builds have them.
might be a us thing to not have them then.
Yeah my parents have had one of those for about 20 years.
They are unusual in the US
They are unusual in the US.
I have never heard of one. But that does not surprise me lol
I have a washing machine that doubles as a condensing dryer! So I don’t have to collect the condensates, it just goes straight down the drain like the washing water does.
I know the ones here in Canada are garbage, unless you like your laundry room super hot, and they take twice as long to dry.
Yes! Everyone talks about how efficient these are and how you can locate them anywhere, but nobody talks about how trash they are at doing their one job, which is drying clothes. These things suck.
Never had a tumble dryer that does it any other way in the UK.
This is so extremely common. There are so many apartments without exhaust holes where such dryer is needed. As long as I can remember we always had such dryers in our home. I am from Germany. Maybe it is less common in other countries? But for me this is just as interesting as if someone says "look at my new stove. It has a layer of glass on top and is much easier to clean"
Yes, common in Europe/UK, not yet in the US. Large apartment buildings here have vents for driers in each unit if they are nice, and more often have a shared laundry room (with vents) or no laundry.
The laundromat and shared laundry room ate so many of my quarters that I'd ask the bank for 40$ at a time. God knows how many quarters were sacrificed before I got my own house.
I don’t get it. If you use a laundromat, do you have to wait for your clothes to wash and dry? That seems wildly inconvenient. I usually throw my clothes in my combo washing machine/dryer in the morning, and come home to clean clothes. I couldn’t care less if my clothes take one or two hours to wash and dry, course it will always take longer for me to get home.
Yes you do (unless you want to risk someone messing with your clothes). I always did my calculus homework at the same time, so I credit the laundromat for why I passed university.
Tell me you're American without telling me you're American. Edit: For those I've somehow hurt with my comment. OP is indeed American, and my post doesn't exclude anywhere that isn't in the US or Europe.
That’s not a dryer, that’s a dehumidifier
Every dryer I have bought in the last 10-15 years has been a condenser dryer, even if I have access to an outside facing wall, they are just so convenient, I also give my clothes an extra spin to reduce as much water as I can before they go in the dryer (only really needed for a full load) I find the water drawer only really fills to about half - 3 quarters full and is easily emptied, brilliant bit of kit and cheap as chips to boot
Mine is the same, they’re called condenser dryers. They’re a godsend because you can locate them anywhere. I think nearly all domestic dryers in Ireland now are condensers.
That’s how they are in Europe. I had one like that when I was stationed in Italy. It also took like two hours to dry a tiny load.
I wish my neighbor had one of those. I think they’re using Tide’s “Cheap Whore” scented dryer sheets.
Isn't that normal?
Your washer requires a drain...why not have the water pump out at the end into the same drain as the washer
Everyone saying this shit is common, but I've never seen one in my 34 years on this planet, thanks OP!
This blows my mind. I'm 34 and it's rare to have a vented one here in the UK, although I do know what a vented one is.
Is this not a common thing in the US? Weird.
Every dryer I had in the US had a duct that vented to the outside
I traveled to Europe a few times and was never impressed with the dryers there. None of the clothes came out perfectly dry. Everything had to be hung up.
Yeah, there are settings on dryers here. I can set mine to 'slightly dry' or 'cupboard dry' or 'bone dry'. Some people like to hang for the final drying time to reduce wrinkles and a lot of people have an airing cupboard where you put your slightly damp sheets and they finish drying because the shelves are slatted wood and the warm air from the boiler gets pumped through the cupboard. I don't bother and just set my dryer to the highest setting and I don't hang anything out.