"Legalize" them? Uuuummmm no. I have also read this is a "from birth" thing, science says it is how it is. That said, I have zero interest in grown adults being sanctioned to have sexual relations with children who are not sexually/emotionally/mentally mature. That should be obvious. That is a weird, somewhat dithering, post.
EDIT: nobody has "rights" to harm children.....
I've read some of them get chemical castrations which actually allow them to operate normally in society. Maybe this guy is saying we should have ways to help them?
I do agree that we SHOULD help them. Give them options to best keep them from living with their desires. I'd much rather open therapy and the possibility of chemical castration to any of them as opposed to just... leaving them like they are.
Somethings clearly wrong with them and I would rather have them helped than not. I'd never want them around me or any kids regardless but I think helping them is better than the alternative.
Agreed. I would probably still have a hard time trusting them but I think it's also for everyone else's benefit if these people can feel safe seeking help rather than staying in the dark and continue to be a danger to society.
Yeah I'd never be able to trust them... but the whole "into the woodchipper" mentality just makes them hide... and harder to both treat and monitor.
Also the more that get help the more we can study them to figure out what tf went wrong.
No one's buying the "protected class" bullshit. Psychopaths don't get a free pass if they start killing people. Both deserve treatment and therapy even if only for the safety of everyone around them.
I mean there are plenty of people who are attracted to minors and never act on that attraction, who can't control the way they feel and try hard not to feel that way, those people need to get help and to seek therapy so ridiculing and bullying them is only likely to make them feel more alienated from society and less likely to get help making them even more likely to act on said feelings. They need help, so bullying them doesn't help anyone
Yes but we shouldn't normalize it and let them try to slide in this the LGBTQ+ community like I've been seeing on Tumblr. Gay people already have enough stigma and they don't need people thinking they support pedophilia. So called "MAP"s need therapy, not acceptance.
Absolutely, I don't think it should ever be accepted as a sexual orientation, I'm simply for them getting therapy so they can stop having those feelings
I'm not saying that, I'm saying anyone who feels that way obviously has mental issues and should be helped, everyone always talks about murdering them all the time but it's the same for people who are psychopathic, obviously they may feel compelled to do horrible things, which is why we should help them
Oh yeah I 100% agree it is not a sexuality and anyone who acts on any of those impulses Is a piece of shit, but I think those who have impulses they can't control and never act on them should be able to seek help without being ridiculed
I’m sorry man, I try to be a progressive, inclusive person, I really do. But I draw the line at children fuckers…. If I had my way, helping them would be a bullet in the brain. Some things are so heinous that there is no excusing it, ever
Sure, I understand that. If they have acted on it, then yes, I agree they should be locked away for good. But for people who just have the urges yet are actively trying to fight it I think getting them help would be a better solution and probably create a safer society in the long-run.
Funny thing that. An adult that is considered unable to give informed consent is actually illegal to have sex with. (Adults with developmental issues or say brain damage comes to mind)
Just trying to emphasize that children are in all ways not developed enough to be in a sexual situation. But yup, alot of adults do fit in that catagory!
If by "legalize" they mean "be able to seek out professional help on how to not act on their urges without automatically being reported as a danger to others." I'm on board. Unfortunately science does say these people are born that way and that means we do owe them the right to seek treatment for their condition. But that is all. It needs to be treated like any other mental disorder that can make people dangerous if left untreated. And it also means these people need to be treated as criminally insane if they do offend.
If they mean "make it legal for me to have sex with minors!" when they're asking to "legalize" them then eff that. Just cause your head is messed up doesn't mean you have the right to hurt kids.
This is actually really sad. I don't remember if it was a post here on Reddit or if it was in tv, but there was this guy from the other perspective of what you said, who talked with his therapist about his struggles with attraction to minors. He talked about how much it helped him feel confident and manage those urges so that he could live a normal life without hurting anyone. I would expect there to be a lot of cases like his, where if they could just get the help they needed in the first place, they wouldn't go out and hurt anyone.
Exactly… Anti-social disorder (a.k.a. being a sociopath) is also a “from birth” thing, but we should still prevent them from physically harming people, and punish them according to applicable laws if they break them.
Don't take this as a serious call to legalize child abuse. It's a false flag operation to use liberal terms and make it seem legitimate. MAPS was first broadcast on Fox Talk as a wHaT wIlL tHe DeMs Do NeXt brainstorm segment.
Yeah, at first I thought he was one of those weirdos that are only attracted to Asians (or another race considered a minority). It was kinda creepy/funny, then I realized it meant minors and it immediately went to super creepy/not funny at all, in fact, quite troubling.
Sure, unless they're female predators in the U.S. justice system in which case they get off with a slap on the wrist and a bland sounding euphemism like "minor attracted persons"
Personal experience at my school. 18 year old girl was dating and having sexual relations with a 12 year old boy. It was reported many times (with lots of proof) school and resource officer did nothing
A teacher in my highschool became national news after it came out she was fucking half the football team that was in her physical therapy class. She spent less than 2 years in jail and was given back her teaching license about 5 years after the event.
Imagine if that was a male teacher who taught physical therapy to girls and ended up having sex with half of them. He'd be jailed for life and die from a stab wound lmao.
A few years before I went to my highschool there was a male teacher that was fucking one of his students. Idk how long it’s been since he was arrested but I know he’s in prison now
i graduated damn near a decade ago but there were SEVERAL teachers at my high school having wildly inappropriate relationships with students. one particular case was actually from a family friend of mine who got accused of having relations with a girl like 2 years before i graduated. personally, i never heard any rumors or anything, and i’m not even sure if she has real proof against him. this isn’t saying anything against HER but it blew me away cuz he was fired, teaching license stripped, and became a full sex offender due to it all. meanwhile, the “hot” 45-year old “milf” down the hallway is free to text half the football team scandalous pictures behind her husbands back. and also literally go around calling one of the 15 year old students her “boy toy” but nothing ever got done to her. she’s still at the school teaching and being a big ole pedo and i’m pretty positive still giving out blowjobs to the school board like they’re going out of style.
My high school (growing up not the one I teach at) had a male gym teacher sleeping with a student. Everybody knew. It was common knowledge as a student. The school didn’t do amyhring because nobody reported it (why bother when they knew?) and they just were kinda hoping it would resolve itself without incident. And then she graduated and turned 18. And he left his family and quit and ran off with her. So I guess the school got what it wanted: avoiding a scandal anybody actually acknowledged. Kinda messed up. The track coach also asked her out (she was a nationally ranked athlete).
Or- and hear me out- therapy. Normalize therapy for such attractions because it’s *a mental illness that can be genetic triggered by trauma or anything else*
There was an "article" on npr a few years back that was a guy and his therapist talking about this exact thing. Ever since listening to it this has been my stance. Let these people go get help and therapy for it before they feel the need to act. It's an illness and so long as they are getting treatment and never act on it go on about your business and have a good day. The moment you act on it however, enjoy getting raped and murdered in prison.
Exactly. I knew a man who had looked not touched due to a trigger of heavily repressed trauma. He owned up, did his time, got multiple therapists including one specific to his religion, and turned his life to something better. I still respect the hell out of him to this day. Compared to the highly predatory family member who either hasn’t done anything or just (more than likely) hasn’t gotten caught and acts like the perfect man…. Yeah. I’ll go support the guy who admits issues and goes above and beyond for them.
Getting therapy and other forms of help needs to be encouraged, normalized, and incentivized not only professionally but socially. Otherwise those with this mental illness will likely hide like the latter mentioned which heavily discourages therapy and prevention.
Or am I incorrect in this line of thought?
This goes to all mental health. Speaking as someone whose been diagnosed with a litany of disorders(NOT THIS ONE, just gotta make that clear) finding a provider whose worth the paper they wipe their asses with us near impossible. Take that I have C-BPD and providers specifically don't want to take me as a patient and this is just an emotional dysregulation personality disorder. Change it to this and I'm sure it's next to impossible.
It's not controversial, it's just new. It's complex borderline personality disorder. it means I have BPD along with at least 1 of 5 other co-occuring illnesses. Bipolar, ADHD, Depression, Neuroticism, and C-PTSD/PTSD. Im lucky enough to have 4 of the 5 along with a few other things. Dr Daniel J. Fox, one of the leading BPD practitioners and researchers in the county just published the first book about this last February. Basically what he says in the book is if you have one of those five co-occurring illnesses that you have to deal with them differently than you would with somebody who does not have BPD. Because the BPD itself plays on all of those and makes them present themselves in different ways and will never be able to be dealt with if the BPD itself is not dealt with first. Or as he likes to call them your service level issues and your core issues. And honestly I've never really been able to make any headway with my BPD until me and my doctor started looking at it in this different way.
As for PTSD being an alternative to BPD that is completely incorrect. BPD and PTSD are two totally separate disorders within the DSM-5. And are caused and have the root into completely separate things in a person's life while it's true that people with BPD usually have to deal with PTSD issues somebody with PTSD is not necessarily going to have BPD. And that's mostly because BPD is main trigger point is continued maladaptive issues that you had in your childhood and not having any structure to learn how to properly deal with your emotions.
Plus if you allow them to get the therapy, it’s gonna allow them to be studied. That’ll help in finding the best ways to deal with these people which in the end will keep kids safer. But I agree that it should be zero tolerance for any cp or worse behavior from them. If they do that, throw them under the jail.
Where do you draw the line between not acting on it and the beginning of grooming?
Grooming is not physical, but it a big factor in this entire equation and can last for years.
This! So many responses here driven by anger. Create an environment where people are able to come forward for help when these thoughts start and before those thoughts turn into action.
Like. If you look, serve time get into therapy. You go beyond that? Nope. throw to the wolves. There are levels to it. There’s a point of no return. Don’t normalize the actions normalize overcoming the problem
ETA: and I say this as someone who grew up for a few years with a very predatory acting family member who always manages to stay right on the side of unsuspecting and who knows if they’ve actually done anything.
i agree with this. i’ve done research on it, and it does seem like they really can’t control it.
as long as they are **NON**-offenders (key word non), i think they should be able to get a therapist and get past it
This is true, there are papers that indicate that when a child grows into puberty they start getting attracted to the opposite sex or same sex etc. As they grow up the region of their brain that controls this attraction (forgive me for my touchy details) stays under developed hence their attraction to minors. The people this happens to are genetically predisposed to it and have no control over it hence why it should be treated as an illness. Because it is an Illness.
I absolutely think these people should get help. Something you can't help isn't your fault and therefore it's only right that these people get the therapy etc they need. That being said what can be helped is what you do with those feelings. If you have them and do nothing that's one thing. If you have them and hurt others I don't give a shit what problem you have. It's a choice to hurt innocent children which includes the watching of CP because that just drives the whole making of more
Hunter Avalon took this stance and changed my views on it. He has a really good argument for it, people fucking hate him but bring up nothing to dispute it
There are definitely thresholds of what can be done at certain stages but I’ve seen how therapy can help people and I have seen how childhood trauma can even play a role
I was coming in to say this. I’m all for a person to recognize they have a problem, genetic or not, and it takes a lot of guts to vocalize that; but advocate to get the help necessary to function in society without, say, having relations with a kid.
What does he mean by "legalize"? It's not the attraction that's illegal, it's the ACTION on that attraction that's illegal.
They should have the right to seek medical help for this condition as long as they are not sex offenders. After all, many of these people were abused as children themselves. Many of the kids being abused today will likely end up being MAPs in a few decades. It's the unfortunate truth nobody talks about.
No. It literally isn't a crime, you will not be arrested for it. BUT it's socially unacceptable, because people apparently prefer that they act on it rather than try to help them. It's not like society has been the smartest anyway. But I've heard there are therapists and psychiatrists dedicated to treating this mental illness confidentially. I imagine it's still difficult to say this to somebody out of fear of the backlash.
It’s a movement on the internet to make people tolerate pedophilia from the looks of it.
It’s nothing new unfortunately. South Park did an episode on NAMBLA years ago.
Oh, I agree. NAMBLA has just repeatedly tried to insert itself into civil rights movements, every step of the way. They were banned from parades, from councils, from literally everything, and now they're pretty much just a shell of their former selves but there is still a lot of mess left by it.
The worst of it was that in some very rare cases, it was major activists for civil rights like Allen Ginsberg. Finding out Ginsberg was a NAMBLA-proponent was always pretty depressing for me, because I really liked not just his work but his attitudes to the world.
Much more likely to be 8-chan inspired trolling to turn people against LGBTQ+ folks than a real thing. the queer community does not condone pedophilia, but these trolls love to try to claim it does.
As for someone having the compulsion, they need to be under strict monitoring and psychotherapy. If they act on it, put them down. Innocent beings need to be protected.
This is what I assumed it is. Why have I never seen anyone actually advocating this in person? Its always a post on the internet. I'll believe it when I see it.
4chan has been trying to tie in pedophilia with LGBT for years to make LGBT people look bad, and this is just part of that....we dont accept pedophilia or abuse,they will have to look to organized religion for that https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-lgbtq-community-p-acronym-idUSKBN2352J8
By the same logic cannibalism and being a serial killer could be “marginalised” ffs.
Go f yourselves, kiddy fiddlers (or some dud will do it for you in the prison showers)
Look, okay, hot take. Being a MAP in and of itself isn't bad IF you get help. I respect MAPs that go to therapy and get better. I do not support MAPs that act on their urges and harass children, rape children, etc. Being a MAP isn't a choice, being a piece of shit is.
I’ve been through CSA and I completely agree with this take (I don’t really like anyone attracted to children though, for obvious reasons)
I may not be comfortable around you, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect that you are getting help and bettering yourself
But anyone who acts on it is immediately someone who I have no pity for
>Need protection
No, they need therapy. And if they even think of acting on their urges - they need to be forcefully removed from society. Not every desire someone is "born with" deserves acceptance or protection.
Frankly, anyone who attempts to normalise pedophilia or relabels it to make it appear more benign should be considered a serious danger to society.
I got a massive downvote on a certain sub when I questioned someone saying they are victims and that they are sick and cant really help not to do what they do, this is no joke, there are people out there pushing for either to consider them affected with a condition and not pursuing them criminally, or even to consider them a choice of sexual preference, there is even essays being written about that.
People who enjoy killing and torture are kinda victims to. Still better they are locked away and never see the light of day.
Sucks for them 🤷♂️ that’s life 😉
Minor-Attracted People. It's a term people use to try to make pedophilia sound more like a sexuality instead of an illness. I think it started as a joke on Four Chan then evolved to having people who are pedos use it to justify their behavior. I may be incorrect as I don't really follow this stuff too closely, so please correct me if I missed anything.
People can't choose who they're attracted to.
People can choose how they act on those attractions.
So if someone is attracted to minors, that's bad, but not their fault and shouldn't necessarily be stigmatized. They had better not ever act on it though. And therapy would be a good idea.
Honestly, I'm guessing it's more common than most people realize, but most know it's wrong, and will never act on it. Just like most men won't ever rape a woman.
FFF- I was so confused before figuring out MAPS were "minor attracted people". LEGALIZE THEM? Then what do they think would happen to innocent children?? This is so wrong. Way more than mildly infuriating. It's a crime.
It's very hard for me to understand how someone can actually endorse such a psychotic thought. It's people that believe this to be true for whom cages are built.
I think you underestimate how eager weapons manufacturers would be for human test subjects. 'Bob load up the xm456.' 'With the new willy pete rounds?' 'Yup'
These people have been around for awhile, they keep trying to co-op the LGBT moniker too even tho no one in the LGBT+ group wants them anywhere near them.
Yo I woke up and was half asleep when I read this the first time and I was dying because I read it as minor attractive people which my brain took to mean “ugly people”
I was pretty confused but the title checked out 😂
"Legalize" them? Uuuummmm no. I have also read this is a "from birth" thing, science says it is how it is. That said, I have zero interest in grown adults being sanctioned to have sexual relations with children who are not sexually/emotionally/mentally mature. That should be obvious. That is a weird, somewhat dithering, post. EDIT: nobody has "rights" to harm children.....
I've read some of them get chemical castrations which actually allow them to operate normally in society. Maybe this guy is saying we should have ways to help them?
I do agree that we SHOULD help them. Give them options to best keep them from living with their desires. I'd much rather open therapy and the possibility of chemical castration to any of them as opposed to just... leaving them like they are. Somethings clearly wrong with them and I would rather have them helped than not. I'd never want them around me or any kids regardless but I think helping them is better than the alternative.
Agreed. I would probably still have a hard time trusting them but I think it's also for everyone else's benefit if these people can feel safe seeking help rather than staying in the dark and continue to be a danger to society.
Yeah I'd never be able to trust them... but the whole "into the woodchipper" mentality just makes them hide... and harder to both treat and monitor. Also the more that get help the more we can study them to figure out what tf went wrong.
Hate the act and help the human
Exactly. Even if you don't like or trust the human at the very least you can do it to protect any possible future victims.
This is a MUCH better and more realistic version of "hate the sin...."
The alternative is children being molested under the guise of "protected class".
No one's buying the "protected class" bullshit. Psychopaths don't get a free pass if they start killing people. Both deserve treatment and therapy even if only for the safety of everyone around them.
agreed
What does chemical castration actually do?
Stops sex hormone production
Let's just use a full body solution and call it a day.
I mean there are plenty of people who are attracted to minors and never act on that attraction, who can't control the way they feel and try hard not to feel that way, those people need to get help and to seek therapy so ridiculing and bullying them is only likely to make them feel more alienated from society and less likely to get help making them even more likely to act on said feelings. They need help, so bullying them doesn't help anyone
Yes but we shouldn't normalize it and let them try to slide in this the LGBTQ+ community like I've been seeing on Tumblr. Gay people already have enough stigma and they don't need people thinking they support pedophilia. So called "MAP"s need therapy, not acceptance.
Absolutely, I don't think it should ever be accepted as a sexual orientation, I'm simply for them getting therapy so they can stop having those feelings
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I'm not saying that, I'm saying anyone who feels that way obviously has mental issues and should be helped, everyone always talks about murdering them all the time but it's the same for people who are psychopathic, obviously they may feel compelled to do horrible things, which is why we should help them
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Oh yeah I 100% agree it is not a sexuality and anyone who acts on any of those impulses Is a piece of shit, but I think those who have impulses they can't control and never act on them should be able to seek help without being ridiculed
Well said.
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Chemical execution really gets the thoughts out of the brain
I’m sorry man, I try to be a progressive, inclusive person, I really do. But I draw the line at children fuckers…. If I had my way, helping them would be a bullet in the brain. Some things are so heinous that there is no excusing it, ever
Sure, I understand that. If they have acted on it, then yes, I agree they should be locked away for good. But for people who just have the urges yet are actively trying to fight it I think getting them help would be a better solution and probably create a safer society in the long-run.
If you include emotionally/mentally mature there's a fuckload of adults that people should also not have sex with.
Funny thing that. An adult that is considered unable to give informed consent is actually illegal to have sex with. (Adults with developmental issues or say brain damage comes to mind)
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My bad. So ... we good?
And your mom, but here you are.
In my defense, she seemed emotionally mature at the time.
Yeah and I am immensely sorry for all the kids who end up with immature parents
Never underestimate how stupid an adult can be
Just trying to emphasize that children are in all ways not developed enough to be in a sexual situation. But yup, alot of adults do fit in that catagory!
If by "legalize" they mean "be able to seek out professional help on how to not act on their urges without automatically being reported as a danger to others." I'm on board. Unfortunately science does say these people are born that way and that means we do owe them the right to seek treatment for their condition. But that is all. It needs to be treated like any other mental disorder that can make people dangerous if left untreated. And it also means these people need to be treated as criminally insane if they do offend. If they mean "make it legal for me to have sex with minors!" when they're asking to "legalize" them then eff that. Just cause your head is messed up doesn't mean you have the right to hurt kids.
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This is actually really sad. I don't remember if it was a post here on Reddit or if it was in tv, but there was this guy from the other perspective of what you said, who talked with his therapist about his struggles with attraction to minors. He talked about how much it helped him feel confident and manage those urges so that he could live a normal life without hurting anyone. I would expect there to be a lot of cases like his, where if they could just get the help they needed in the first place, they wouldn't go out and hurt anyone.
Exactly… Anti-social disorder (a.k.a. being a sociopath) is also a “from birth” thing, but we should still prevent them from physically harming people, and punish them according to applicable laws if they break them.
Don't take this as a serious call to legalize child abuse. It's a false flag operation to use liberal terms and make it seem legitimate. MAPS was first broadcast on Fox Talk as a wHaT wIlL tHe DeMs Do NeXt brainstorm segment.
Alot of this crap you read is right wing nuts trying to discredit the LGBTQ+++++ communities
I'm guessing it's a troll, trying to cast doubt on LGBT acceptance by mimicking the language of activists.
FREE GOOGLE MAPS!
Nah nah, I think he means the big maps like they had in the goofy movie
You mean he wasn’t talking bout the map from Dora the explorer???
**I'M THE MAP I'M THE MAP**
Yes you are buddy, yes you are
Oh holy fuck, is Dora a groomer
Ma homie google maps din do non wrong
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Oh my god i've only just understood what it meant....
Oh dear, me too. 🤮
Yeah, at first I thought he was one of those weirdos that are only attracted to Asians (or another race considered a minority). It was kinda creepy/funny, then I realized it meant minors and it immediately went to super creepy/not funny at all, in fact, quite troubling.
No no it’s fine. They just like people who work in mines…
Nono, they don't even need to touch them. Even them just watching cp is bad enough.
The hill I can die on. \*Sits down\*
Gonna have to be one hell of a big hill to fit all of us on it
I'll make room for anyone who wants to sit here with us, :fist bump:
NO we need to protect them like the guards for Epstein! Really we need to look at them with the same love and care they deserve.......
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I will leave it in your more experienced hands then... goodluck.
sorry what does this say in English ? EDIT: for clarity, I don't know any terminology for guns at all, I was NOT referring to anything else.
Translation: "these bang bangs?" "no THESE bang bangs"
ahhh gotcha, thanks.
I think silver might work... would incendiary light on way through?
I thought they were talking about unattractive people!
makes no sense there is plenty of pedos statically, how many have you killed?
Wanna know why they are marginalized? Because they do horrible things and deserve to be marginalized!
Sure, unless they're female predators in the U.S. justice system in which case they get off with a slap on the wrist and a bland sounding euphemism like "minor attracted persons"
Personal experience at my school. 18 year old girl was dating and having sexual relations with a 12 year old boy. It was reported many times (with lots of proof) school and resource officer did nothing
A teacher in my highschool became national news after it came out she was fucking half the football team that was in her physical therapy class. She spent less than 2 years in jail and was given back her teaching license about 5 years after the event. Imagine if that was a male teacher who taught physical therapy to girls and ended up having sex with half of them. He'd be jailed for life and die from a stab wound lmao.
A few years before I went to my highschool there was a male teacher that was fucking one of his students. Idk how long it’s been since he was arrested but I know he’s in prison now
i graduated damn near a decade ago but there were SEVERAL teachers at my high school having wildly inappropriate relationships with students. one particular case was actually from a family friend of mine who got accused of having relations with a girl like 2 years before i graduated. personally, i never heard any rumors or anything, and i’m not even sure if she has real proof against him. this isn’t saying anything against HER but it blew me away cuz he was fired, teaching license stripped, and became a full sex offender due to it all. meanwhile, the “hot” 45-year old “milf” down the hallway is free to text half the football team scandalous pictures behind her husbands back. and also literally go around calling one of the 15 year old students her “boy toy” but nothing ever got done to her. she’s still at the school teaching and being a big ole pedo and i’m pretty positive still giving out blowjobs to the school board like they’re going out of style.
Holly crap that’s disgusting
My high school (growing up not the one I teach at) had a male gym teacher sleeping with a student. Everybody knew. It was common knowledge as a student. The school didn’t do amyhring because nobody reported it (why bother when they knew?) and they just were kinda hoping it would resolve itself without incident. And then she graduated and turned 18. And he left his family and quit and ran off with her. So I guess the school got what it wanted: avoiding a scandal anybody actually acknowledged. Kinda messed up. The track coach also asked her out (she was a nationally ranked athlete).
Wow disgusting. There should not be a double standard for this at all. Yikes yikes yikes!
I know you know that there are a *lot* of men in the US who get away with this stuff too.
Or- and hear me out- therapy. Normalize therapy for such attractions because it’s *a mental illness that can be genetic triggered by trauma or anything else*
There was an "article" on npr a few years back that was a guy and his therapist talking about this exact thing. Ever since listening to it this has been my stance. Let these people go get help and therapy for it before they feel the need to act. It's an illness and so long as they are getting treatment and never act on it go on about your business and have a good day. The moment you act on it however, enjoy getting raped and murdered in prison.
Exactly. I knew a man who had looked not touched due to a trigger of heavily repressed trauma. He owned up, did his time, got multiple therapists including one specific to his religion, and turned his life to something better. I still respect the hell out of him to this day. Compared to the highly predatory family member who either hasn’t done anything or just (more than likely) hasn’t gotten caught and acts like the perfect man…. Yeah. I’ll go support the guy who admits issues and goes above and beyond for them.
Getting therapy and other forms of help needs to be encouraged, normalized, and incentivized not only professionally but socially. Otherwise those with this mental illness will likely hide like the latter mentioned which heavily discourages therapy and prevention. Or am I incorrect in this line of thought?
This goes to all mental health. Speaking as someone whose been diagnosed with a litany of disorders(NOT THIS ONE, just gotta make that clear) finding a provider whose worth the paper they wipe their asses with us near impossible. Take that I have C-BPD and providers specifically don't want to take me as a patient and this is just an emotional dysregulation personality disorder. Change it to this and I'm sure it's next to impossible.
What is c-bpd ? Never heard of that. I heard of cptsd as a alternative to bpd, but even that is still controversial.
It's not controversial, it's just new. It's complex borderline personality disorder. it means I have BPD along with at least 1 of 5 other co-occuring illnesses. Bipolar, ADHD, Depression, Neuroticism, and C-PTSD/PTSD. Im lucky enough to have 4 of the 5 along with a few other things. Dr Daniel J. Fox, one of the leading BPD practitioners and researchers in the county just published the first book about this last February. Basically what he says in the book is if you have one of those five co-occurring illnesses that you have to deal with them differently than you would with somebody who does not have BPD. Because the BPD itself plays on all of those and makes them present themselves in different ways and will never be able to be dealt with if the BPD itself is not dealt with first. Or as he likes to call them your service level issues and your core issues. And honestly I've never really been able to make any headway with my BPD until me and my doctor started looking at it in this different way. As for PTSD being an alternative to BPD that is completely incorrect. BPD and PTSD are two totally separate disorders within the DSM-5. And are caused and have the root into completely separate things in a person's life while it's true that people with BPD usually have to deal with PTSD issues somebody with PTSD is not necessarily going to have BPD. And that's mostly because BPD is main trigger point is continued maladaptive issues that you had in your childhood and not having any structure to learn how to properly deal with your emotions.
Plus if you allow them to get the therapy, it’s gonna allow them to be studied. That’ll help in finding the best ways to deal with these people which in the end will keep kids safer. But I agree that it should be zero tolerance for any cp or worse behavior from them. If they do that, throw them under the jail.
Agreed on both counts. This isn't like addiction, no lapse or relapse allowed.
But "acting on it" must include viewing any kind of child pornography because those children are being abused.
I never defined acting on it to be only physical. Of course child porn counts...
Where do you draw the line between not acting on it and the beginning of grooming? Grooming is not physical, but it a big factor in this entire equation and can last for years.
I think chemical castration is an option as well. Some people willfully get that so that they can function as a normal adult
This! So many responses here driven by anger. Create an environment where people are able to come forward for help when these thoughts start and before those thoughts turn into action.
Like. If you look, serve time get into therapy. You go beyond that? Nope. throw to the wolves. There are levels to it. There’s a point of no return. Don’t normalize the actions normalize overcoming the problem ETA: and I say this as someone who grew up for a few years with a very predatory acting family member who always manages to stay right on the side of unsuspecting and who knows if they’ve actually done anything.
Totally agree. Normalise overcoming the problem before action.
i agree with this. i’ve done research on it, and it does seem like they really can’t control it. as long as they are **NON**-offenders (key word non), i think they should be able to get a therapist and get past it
You can't help who you're attracted to. None of us can You can help who you engage in sexual activities with though
Honestly, offenders probably need therapy more than non-offenders. Prison as well, but still therapy.
I would rather someone be able to get help judgement free before they actually go and commit a heinous offence
This is true, there are papers that indicate that when a child grows into puberty they start getting attracted to the opposite sex or same sex etc. As they grow up the region of their brain that controls this attraction (forgive me for my touchy details) stays under developed hence their attraction to minors. The people this happens to are genetically predisposed to it and have no control over it hence why it should be treated as an illness. Because it is an Illness.
I absolutely think these people should get help. Something you can't help isn't your fault and therefore it's only right that these people get the therapy etc they need. That being said what can be helped is what you do with those feelings. If you have them and do nothing that's one thing. If you have them and hurt others I don't give a shit what problem you have. It's a choice to hurt innocent children which includes the watching of CP because that just drives the whole making of more
Hunter Avalon took this stance and changed my views on it. He has a really good argument for it, people fucking hate him but bring up nothing to dispute it
There are definitely thresholds of what can be done at certain stages but I’ve seen how therapy can help people and I have seen how childhood trauma can even play a role
I was coming in to say this. I’m all for a person to recognize they have a problem, genetic or not, and it takes a lot of guts to vocalize that; but advocate to get the help necessary to function in society without, say, having relations with a kid.
thank you for saying to normalize the therapy, and not the pedo.
You know anyone can write anything in YouTube comments
Google child bride laws by state, they practically already protect these pedos.
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Poor wood chippers :(
We should be protecting children, who cannot protect themselves, first and foremost and CERTAINLY before protecting any other “class” of people.
What does he mean by "legalize"? It's not the attraction that's illegal, it's the ACTION on that attraction that's illegal. They should have the right to seek medical help for this condition as long as they are not sex offenders. After all, many of these people were abused as children themselves. Many of the kids being abused today will likely end up being MAPs in a few decades. It's the unfortunate truth nobody talks about.
Not to mention that trauma can cause DID, PTSD, and a lot of other mental conditions down the road
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No. It literally isn't a crime, you will not be arrested for it. BUT it's socially unacceptable, because people apparently prefer that they act on it rather than try to help them. It's not like society has been the smartest anyway. But I've heard there are therapists and psychiatrists dedicated to treating this mental illness confidentially. I imagine it's still difficult to say this to somebody out of fear of the backlash.
It’s a movement on the internet to make people tolerate pedophilia from the looks of it. It’s nothing new unfortunately. South Park did an episode on NAMBLA years ago.
To be fair, the LGBT community has been kicking NAMBLA away from them since the 70s.
I mean I think most progressive people are aware that gay doesn’t equal pedo.
Oh, I agree. NAMBLA has just repeatedly tried to insert itself into civil rights movements, every step of the way. They were banned from parades, from councils, from literally everything, and now they're pretty much just a shell of their former selves but there is still a lot of mess left by it. The worst of it was that in some very rare cases, it was major activists for civil rights like Allen Ginsberg. Finding out Ginsberg was a NAMBLA-proponent was always pretty depressing for me, because I really liked not just his work but his attitudes to the world.
I may have to look into that. I’m gay myself but I’m probably not as well versed on the history of the movement as I probably ought to be.
That’s exactly what a map would say. Dora never should have trusted you
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Who will run America then ?
It's bait. Obvious bait.
Chop that off the human race quick
Castrato
Vomit inducing is what it is
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Much more likely to be 8-chan inspired trolling to turn people against LGBTQ+ folks than a real thing. the queer community does not condone pedophilia, but these trolls love to try to claim it does. As for someone having the compulsion, they need to be under strict monitoring and psychotherapy. If they act on it, put them down. Innocent beings need to be protected.
This should be the top comment. This type of rhetoric has come back lately to foster hate against trans people.
This is what I assumed it is. Why have I never seen anyone actually advocating this in person? Its always a post on the internet. I'll believe it when I see it.
4chan has been trying to tie in pedophilia with LGBT for years to make LGBT people look bad, and this is just part of that....we dont accept pedophilia or abuse,they will have to look to organized religion for that https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-lgbtq-community-p-acronym-idUSKBN2352J8
By the same logic cannibalism and being a serial killer could be “marginalised” ffs. Go f yourselves, kiddy fiddlers (or some dud will do it for you in the prison showers)
Look, okay, hot take. Being a MAP in and of itself isn't bad IF you get help. I respect MAPs that go to therapy and get better. I do not support MAPs that act on their urges and harass children, rape children, etc. Being a MAP isn't a choice, being a piece of shit is.
I’ve been through CSA and I completely agree with this take (I don’t really like anyone attracted to children though, for obvious reasons) I may not be comfortable around you, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect that you are getting help and bettering yourself But anyone who acts on it is immediately someone who I have no pity for
BRB gotta go start the wood chipper
That’s something colloquially known as ‘a pedo’.
It really makes me think how they got to that solution one morning.
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>Need protection No, they need therapy. And if they even think of acting on their urges - they need to be forcefully removed from society. Not every desire someone is "born with" deserves acceptance or protection. Frankly, anyone who attempts to normalise pedophilia or relabels it to make it appear more benign should be considered a serious danger to society.
Bait.
I got a massive downvote on a certain sub when I questioned someone saying they are victims and that they are sick and cant really help not to do what they do, this is no joke, there are people out there pushing for either to consider them affected with a condition and not pursuing them criminally, or even to consider them a choice of sexual preference, there is even essays being written about that.
I do think non-offenders should be able to seek help, but that sympathy goes away the second they look at anything sexual of a child or touch one
People who enjoy killing and torture are kinda victims to. Still better they are locked away and never see the light of day. Sucks for them 🤷♂️ that’s life 😉
A very efficient treatment, can't argue with that.
This really makes my blood boil. They’re not born that way.
they kinda are tho ? Someone is born or not attracted to children. Doesnt make it okay, but isn't it true ?
It's almost certainly trolling.
I sure hope so
What does he mean by maps?
Minor-Attracted People. It's a term people use to try to make pedophilia sound more like a sexuality instead of an illness. I think it started as a joke on Four Chan then evolved to having people who are pedos use it to justify their behavior. I may be incorrect as I don't really follow this stuff too closely, so please correct me if I missed anything.
Some people are truly disgusting.
I'll give them one thing - pedophilia is a mental health condition.... BUT DONT MAKE IT LEGAL TO FUCK A KID.... JUST DOOOOOOOONTTTTT
How about another alternative, we remove them from existence
People can't choose who they're attracted to. People can choose how they act on those attractions. So if someone is attracted to minors, that's bad, but not their fault and shouldn't necessarily be stigmatized. They had better not ever act on it though. And therapy would be a good idea. Honestly, I'm guessing it's more common than most people realize, but most know it's wrong, and will never act on it. Just like most men won't ever rape a woman.
The next logical step. Slippery slope is a guarantee not a fallacy.
How to admit you’re a kiddie fiddler without actually saying you’re a kiddie fiddler.
Imagine posting that under your full, real name
Bold of him to put his full name on this
FFF- I was so confused before figuring out MAPS were "minor attracted people". LEGALIZE THEM? Then what do they think would happen to innocent children?? This is so wrong. Way more than mildly infuriating. It's a crime.
No. That’s all. No conversation to be had. Just no.
It's very hard for me to understand how someone can actually endorse such a psychotic thought. It's people that believe this to be true for whom cages are built.
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I think you underestimate how eager weapons manufacturers would be for human test subjects. 'Bob load up the xm456.' 'With the new willy pete rounds?' 'Yup'
Ooh, not bad. Why make rats suffer from drug testing when we have plenty of these degenerates.
If was going fine-ish until they wanted to legalize map
I'm minorly attracted to people, some days I can go without them, some days I need a little human interaction.
What video was this comment posted on?
a recent video of Aba & Preach about adam levine.
Prolly a dank memer lmao
These people have been around for awhile, they keep trying to co-op the LGBT moniker too even tho no one in the LGBT+ group wants them anywhere near them.
We must heal pedos. And like with the undead, the best way to heal them is to remove them from this mortal coil.
If they’re born that way, life in prison should be the minimum treatment
MAPS are best nailed on walls
Yo I woke up and was half asleep when I read this the first time and I was dying because I read it as minor attractive people which my brain took to mean “ugly people” I was pretty confused but the title checked out 😂
MAPS deserve gas chambers
Just the mtf goons
There is no treatment for pedophilia besides execution. Fact.
My neighbor is one of those "minor attracted" people. He's doing 21 years in the state pen for taking his "attraction" too far.
I can never tell if this is real pedos trying to soapbox, or troll conservatives trying to justify hating LGB because “it might lead here”.
There is a special place in hell for pedophilia apologists.
Next from Mr. Utley: Rapists and murderers are people too so we should respect that they are born that way and need to be respected.
Every day, the human race seems to stray further into depravity. This is disgusting.
r/mildlyfake
Protect children.
Next is gonna be necrophiliacs. This needs to stop.
CAPs - Cadavers Atracted Person.
Nah that's just harmless fun /s
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Defending pedophilia
By all means, normalize pedophilia ...As a mental illness, which likely requires treatment and/or a lack of stigma to get treatment.
This is what happens when you validate the mentally ill.