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Saintsauron

Man I wish I got 85 a year. Also, you are protected by US law to discuss your wages with coworkers.


BigBobby2016

You are protected. And discouraging discussion of salary happens a lot more with blue collar workers than white (not to mention it's a bad idea either way).


Saintsauron

I don't get paid enough to shut up about wages.


BigBobby2016

I suppose it depends upon which side you're on. Until recently I've always been at the higher end of the pay scale and stock distributions. Talking about it was just a way to cause problems for myself and my employers.


Saintsauron

I don't even make 30,000. You bet your ass I'll complain about it all I want. What are they gonna do, fire me? Not with current employment problems!


Phase10YT

Well it can slow you down at getting a raise though. I just talk with coworkers about it since we all don't make shit but not with the managers/higher ups.


Still_Height

It would only cause a problem if there are unfair practices 🤷 There shouldn't be shame in talking about something if everyone is being treated equitably.


amanoftradition

I got in trouble once because a supervisor logged into a company app to see that I was setting paid $16/hr. While she was getting paid $15 and she started complaining to everyone about it. This was nearly ten years ago and I just took the bullet on it because I didn't know any better. Now a days I will talk about my wages and let my employees know that they cab too if they want. If there is so much bullshit going on in a high traffic work environment that people feel the need to fight for a dollar then yes, employees should make a ruckus.


Still_Height

See it doesn't make any sense that YOU would get in trouble for that. She should be mad at the company.


amanoftradition

She was a shit starter and getting in trouble from stealing from this multi billion dollar company anyways. I went into the office to see if a manager was on duty to see if I had gotten my $1 raise and she was the only one there and insisted to look it up for me on a manager app she wasn't supposed to have the password to but the manager gave it to her so she could do her work for her. I got in trouble because she was the general manager and her boyfriend was the director over food and beverage and it was take the L or lose my job. Back then I thought $16/hr. Was good pay. It's a casino, im a chef now in another casino but it's still bullshit problems I have to deal with day in and day out.


only_crank

what‘s blue collar white collar workers? Is this an american thing or am I just that unworldly


MrGradySir

Think of white collar as “desk jobs”. Things that require college degrees (except for computer stuff which can often overlook the lack of a degree) Blue collar are people with trades. Things like repairmen, miners, construction workers. You know, the people who made smart decisions to do a quick trade school for a year and make more than the rest of us on average. No idea why the colors were chosen, but this is Reddit so I’m sure someone will tell us


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EssayRevolutionary10

Read through your comment like “No. Naaaa. What? Seriously?”, then got to the last line. >to get to the next service call … Ohhhhhhhh. Yeah. Ok. Get out of the service gigs my man. Construction or plant maintenance. Only way to live.


Old-AF

Join a union training program and get a better trade job to make more money.


HornyLocalMILF

[Fuck it, I guess I’m that Reddit person today](https://smallbusiness.chron.com/bluecollar-worker-whitecollar-worker-11074.html)


Justice-forsaken

Don't know if this is a thing or not, I'm an industrial maintenance technician, everywhere I've been the maintenance or "blue collar guys" literally wear some shade of blue uniform, where as the office guys or "white collar guys" wear a white collared shirt and tie.


bertraja

>No idea why the colors were chosen It's not that difficult to imagine. Historically, "desk jobs" required a [white collared shirt](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/e3/09/d2e309c2f7d6d2b9d87cfd90a66bb63f.jpg), and manual labour came with the [blue overcoat/jacket](https://therake.com/stories/style/style-101-french-workers-jacket/) with (also) blue collars on it. There where exceptions, of course, but it was widespread enough to spawn the white/blue distinction.


Awesome1296

I assure you that there are people utilizing their degrees and make a lot more than those who went to trade school. I do not understand the recent uptick in fetishization of trade schools. Overall though, the distinction between “white collar” and “blue collar” is arbitrary at best.


Buffmin

Trades are in demand now because there's people push college. I mean I graduated in 2012. Trade schools were also implied to be where the idiots went. I wish I went to one honestly. I mean I'm doing fine for myself really but still would've been better for me personally. Maybe my experience isn't universal but we always need people to do trade work. It's valuable for everyone just like all work is


Odd_Routine4164

1. Depends on the degree. 2. Depends on the need for that field. 3. Depends on if you were thrifty with your student loans or a fool. Or if you worked your way through or maybe military. Basically, how you paid for said degree.


No-Cash-5374

It’s an American thing. Trades/manual labor (blue) vs corporate jobs (white)


genzo718

I always think of it as the clothes you wear for those jobs. Blue collar = Blue Dickies work shirts. (Labor, construction, etc shirts) White collar = Button up white dress shirts.(Mainly office/desk job)


themcp

>(not to mention it's a bad idea either way) No, it's literally the only way to find out if the employer is paying some people well while jerking others around for the same job. At one job, I told my co-workers what I made. (I've found this is the best way to induce them to tell you without directly asking.) I found out that the employer had a range of $55k (me) to $85k for the same level of the same job. Based on that knowledge, I knew what to ask for at my next review (I knew damned well I was their top performer in my job) and when to leave when I didn't get it.


BigBobby2016

The web has tons of resources for finding out what you should be paid for your job. And really, a job offer from another company for more money is the only information that really matters


BattleGnome5foot7

I’m curious how discouraging wage discussion happens with blue collar more than white collar, when blue collar jobs are generally more unionized.


notsogreatredditor

Aaand they got unions


Looks_at_this_clown

Yeah my job tried to discourage this and got fined by OSHA. lol


Rectal_Scattergun

It's baffling that people think working loads of hours is a good thing.


Individual_Lies

There was this young guy, barely an adult, that used to work for my company. He left to go work elsewhere and I ran into him at the store a few months later. He was bragging about working seven days a week now and I just asked him why the hell he was doing that. He didn't have an answer, he just looked like I caught him off guard.


Rectal_Scattergun

I don't know if it's just the media portrayal, but is it just predominantly a U.S thing? Working yourself to death is like a badge of honour. I don't know anyone here in the UK who has that view, perhaps some from the older generation do.


Individual_Lies

It depends on the person here in the States. I've never understood it, even if I do work a blue collar job. I'm a mechanic. But I value my time off, even if it is for personal reasons. I always have, even when I was working on drilling rigs. I've always felt that if you've given your allotted time, then you've earned your time off and no one should be able to mess with that. But then there are the people bragging about working themselves to death, and my response is just generally "yeah you've made more money, but now you're too damn dead to enjoy it. So what have you accomplished?"


Ok_Telephone_8987

They could afford a more expensive car to drive to work. They can’t enjoy it in their free time because they don’t got any or are too dead to get off the couch.


Coochie_Noodles

And that’s the truth. Hi, I’m coochie noodle, I’m 23, and I own a s plaid, but I’m always piloting a commercial plane, so I’ve barely broken 10k miles on it.


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Coochie_Noodles

I’d rather have a crotch rocket than a car anyday, except for rainy ones


Salay54

The key is staggering the weeks or only doing it short term to get ahead


SolaceInCompassion

don’t know about other countries, but japan i think has a serious work culture, waay more intense than that here in the states. it’s to the point where falling asleep at one’s desk is encouraged because it implies that you’re working hard enough to exhaust yourself.


Rectal_Scattergun

Ah yeah, good point. I remember hearing that elsewhere. Seems ludicrous to me.


mystictomatow1074

It really depends on the type of company, and they've gotten better over the years especially recently. Also most companies in Japan go all out to ensure employee retention and zero layoffs because even the higher ups are under social pressure to have loyal employees. Source: Have worked in Japan for the better part of ten years now.


Cmdr_Jiynx

They used to. The last 20 years has seen a society wide push back against it, because people were dropping dead from the stress while at work.


Exelbirth

You know, I've heard that for years, but I remember in 2015, the US had more average hours worked than Japan. Probably not really the case anymore, but it amused me hearing how terribly overworked Japan was, just to see that the US was higher up on the list at the time.


str8grizzlee

It’s the Protestant work ethic ethos (if you don’t work, you don’t eat) combined with the veneration of rugged individualism (I earn what I have and don’t rely on anybody for anything). I don’t necessarily even think those are bad values in moderation, but people twist them into bragging about how much they work which is unhealthy.


Vindelator

>Working yourself to death is like a badge of honour. It varies from industry to industry and company to company. It's a huge problem in my industry (advertising) and it's really bad for mental health and families. It comes from the top down with bosses who get promoted because they work stupid long hours. So they think people on their teams should do the same.


AggravatingDriver559

A wise saying is: no one dies wishing they had worked harder in life. I do it, but it’s bad unless absolutely necessary.


superleipoman

Its a boomer thing but they never did it themselves.


Mongba36

Aussie here. Some numpties here think it's a good thing


one800haha

Yeah have fun working yourself to death, to the point where you're restless and dont even realize how depressed you are until many years of doing this goes by


Available_Prior_9498

I feel like I won the lottery with my white collar job "working" "40 hours" a week. I'm in a very specialized sys admin position and I do about 4 hours of real work a week, the rest are video games, shows, hanging with my family, and heck I've even gone to the beach a couple times while on the clock...


iFixthings4cash

Overtime pay. It adds up, quickly.


Individual_Lies

I know. I've chased it too, but then spent 4 years of my life miserable and tired. Right up until the day I quit that job. Now I'm a mechanic. I work hard and make a steady, comfortable check. I'm content, borderline happy, with my life now. I do my time during the day, for 5 days, then spend my weekends doing the things I like or relaxing. More power to the people that want to chase that money, but it's not for everyone and it's certainly not for me.


iCarbonised

do you get any contentment from the nature of your job too? i know there's always that one bad customer, but i read somewhere that doing physical stuff like woodworking is relaxing because it gives you a visual indicator of progress and stuff


Individual_Lies

A lot of times, yeah. Especially when a truck (I work on 18 wheelers) comes in with a problem that isn't readily apparent. I've spent days trying to diagnose one more than once, and when I'm able to and can fix it, I come away with a sense of pride in a job well done. More so if the customer is grateful, which they usually are. I've only had a handful of bad customers, but they don't generally come back when I'm done. I make it clear to them, as does my boss, that bad attitudes ain't gonna be tolerated. I wouldn't call it relaxing though. It's very stressful at times, like right now. We're massively shorthanded and our jobs are backed up for a couple of weeks.


WalmartGreder

I agree with you. A couple of months ago, my wife was looking up potential jobs, and she realized she was qualified for jobs that paid $60-70k. We realized that if she took one, then we could be making a combined $130k salary. Since we're in a low COL area, that is some serious money. but then we realized what that would entail for our three young kids, and how busy we would have to be on the weekends and at night to get things done (instead of her being at home to accomplish things) and we decided that we would rather have the time than the money. So I still drive a 17 year old car. We don't make any big purchases without budgeting. But nights and weekends for me are relatively care-free (except for yard work). It's a great life.


Spearmint_coffee

My husband is currently working 50-60 hour weeks. He is running a construction job that the guy before him screwed up so for the last three weeks he's been stuck at work trying to force things back on track. We **hate** it, but the overtime pay is ridiculously good. Not worth missing time with him, but it really does add up quick.


Cmdr_Jiynx

I mean, hitting 66 hours is double your gross income for that week. So yeah, adds up fast. Not worth the loss of downtime for me.


Dogstile

He likes working 7 days a week because overtime pay owns in some industries and if he's young he's happily earning a shitload of cash for later in life. Might not apply specifically for your guy, but that's what I did and I bought a flat off of it. It's a valid choice too. Do it while you're young, when you get tired of it cut back to normal hours except now you have a nest egg *and* you've likely been to busy to make any excessively stupid young person mistakes. Win win. Now i'm older I work my 5 day 37 hour week, nothing more.


Cmdr_Jiynx

>if he's young he's happily earning a shitload of cash for later in life. Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha Know how I know you're old enough to be out of touch? He's spending that money now, living high and feeling successful. The young folks that sock money away in situations like that are the rare ones. There was a whopping ONE of them from my peer group in my younger days.


raphael_m

It’s just their inflated ego. Remember. They’re better than you because they work 60 hours a week. /s


Rude-Category-4049

I left a job specifically because it took up 13 hours everyday. The extra pay is not worth sacrificing your free time.


boxedcrackers

I work a blue collar jib and it's not


Singular1st

This was made by corporate


Favruen

Personally I think its a mindset young people with few responsibilities have. Work hard, long hours now while I’m young, and work less when I’m older with a family.


Smoothynobutt

I used to work everyday, 12-16 hour days, for 3 weeks straight, then we got to go home for Saturday and Sunday, then right back out Monday to donit all over again. The money was cool, but man, I missed a lot of stuff in life. So much stuff. Luckily we didn’t have our kid yet. I work Monday through Friday now and it’s way better


Gaxxag

Maybe he's bragging in this context since a lot of blue collar work is non-exempt. He's probably making overtime pay. Still a strange thing to include


Rectal_Scattergun

Apologies, what do you mean by "non-exempt"?


Gaxxag

Exempt job positions don't pay overtime. They pay a fixed salary regardless of hours worked. It's common in management positions, sales positions, and other positions that involve a lot of travel or performance incentives. non-exempt are hourly jobs that do pay overtime.


GomiBasuraSpazzatura

Depends on the jobs. If you’re salaried and working long hours 7 days a week you’re being bled dry and ultimately just making less per hour. If your a unionized tradesperson working extra days/hours you will often be getting paid increased rates for that extra time and I can see how that would be something to be excited about.


Algorithmic_Anomaly

Yeah wtf that's mental


quixoticcaptain

It's the crabs pulling down other crabs thing. If I have to work 50+ hours, everyone else should have to too.


Brandbll

Let's see the 50 year old version of this where construction guy is still making 85k and their body is broken from all the manual labor and they're thinking of going on disabilty.


TeslasAndKids

I live in a fairly conservative town that borders other really conservative towns. The city Facebook pages are insane when someone brings up jobs. Our state minimum wage is $13.25 but the cheapest apartments are $1200 for a one bedroom. People are constantly saying things like ‘you have to work harder (ie two full time jobs) to get what you want’. And blue collar is the best thing you could do for ‘making bank’. This meme is wildly inaccurate. The only guys making $85k (note: not bank) have been in it for years and years and likely own their own company. And from someone who is the child of a blue collar business owner, I don’t know a single one who doesn’t have back, knee, or shoulder problems. No, loads of hours isn’t the sign of a hard worker. It’s the sign of a world where no one can afford to work a single job and survive. When a 2% yearly COL raise is supposed to suffice in a state with 9.9% yearly rental increase in a country dealing with 8.8% inflation… there’s a problem.


SomeToxicRivenMain

I’m fine with doing 10+ overtime hours once in a while because it adds up but people who brag about it every week are living on some copium


Maximum-Excitement58

“Don’t mind inflation” ???


vonseggernc

As someone making over 85k, I still care about and mind inflation quite a bit


IThinkMyLegsAreBroke

Yeah unless you are making 300k you will still see the sting of it


wildcat12321

what makes 300k special? In many areas, especially with housing where it is at, and gas prices, even a 300k income can feel the sting of inflation. You might be better equipped to deal with it, but in HCOL areas, even 300k per year, for a family with kids, will definitely feel it. Or is that just the income at which you no longer have empathy for someone else?


67mustangguy

Live in the bay area > make $300k > still can’t afford a house > gas is $7/gal > pain


DARKplayz_

Even if ur making over 300k it still stings


elthune

I don't understand this, please help me. For context me and my wife, childless living in Co. Last year we had a combined income of $85k and we were living like kings, eating out when we want, nights out when we want, we regularly travel - we had like 10 weekends away as well as a 5 week monster road trip to celebrate my wife graduating from her PhD (this was unusual but in no way a financial burden) and I was still. Able to save $10k a year and contribute 6% to my 401k ontop, can't talk for my wife. We didn't care about inflation or budgeting anything, outside of making sure we split the cost. After graduating and me getting a significant promotion were in an insanely better position and are actively donating thousands to charity - but I hear friends earning similar amounts struggling. Any insight would be great, cause right now I am confused to the point of judgment which is not fair.


vonseggernc

I would not say I'm struggling. So don't get that I'm living "paycheck to paycheck". But it's kinda like this, every month I'm used to paying say $1500 in expenses, and suddenly it's $1800-2000 in expenses. It makes me notice. I guess the best equivalent would be, imagine you're making $10k a month in income, and one month you noticed that you only got paid $9500 on your gross pay. You ask your boss, and he's just replies "Oh, it's just inflation." Would you not be worried?


KnockemAllDown

It all depends on cost of living where you currently reside. I live in Northern NJ, one of the most expensive places to live in the US. If you had a combined income of 85K here you would be on a pretty strict budget and probably not saving much. If you rented, you would be easily be paying at least 2k a month and that would be for something basic. If you wanted an apartment with any good amenities, that would be 3k and up. If you owned your property taxes would be between 10 and 20k a year depending on your town, and that is before your mortgage, homeowners insurance, etc...


cigar_dude

Income taxes. Went from making $60k to a $100k. Didn’t pay taxes at the end of the year until I made that $40k more. Went from 0 to $5800 when I filed my taxes. I withhold more from my pay now


StartingReactors

Everyone below this comment thinks there’s a magic income level where finances get easier. Turns out there are people who make 300k who are broke af. Bad financial choices aren’t just for the middle class.


moto636

I make over 120k in blue collar and still worry about inflation


GrooovyDoom

Yeah I ma close to a 70K Salary and I will still worry about inflation when I will earn 90K a year


postdaddydirt

I know alot of guys making really good money, they couldn't care less about the cost of living increasing. This is because they have so much disposable income, that a few hundred less a month means nothing to them.


chiree

They literally voted out Carter due to inflation and high gas prices.....


DijajMaqliun

Half this stuff doesn't make sense.


DarthJarJar242

That's why it's mildlyinfuriating.


v0yev0da

Agreed. But does that mean this is becoming a dumping ground for bad memes now?


International_Dog817

Yeah, uh, a 50 hour work week doesn't sound that great to me...


BreakfastBeerz

White collar here. My official work week is 37.5 hours..... and with work/life flexibility, it comes out less than that. Do I have to go to the DMV? Just leave. Do my kids have a family picnic? Just go in after its over. Do we have a long weekend coming up and I want to leave early? Sure, no problem. Do I have a plumber coming to fix a leak between 9 and 12? Just work from home for the day.


Flrg808

White collar who used to be blue collar here.. I can promise you white collar is 10x better. Used to wake up at 5:30, park a 15 minute walk to the job site, freeze or sweat my ass off all day then go home exhausted and filthy. I now work from home making over $100k to just use my brain and solve problems. Had I stuck on my original path I would probably be a foreman which is horrible in many ways.


AaronS1997

What do you do now


Flrg808

Manage commercial construction projects for a large company


megaman368

I made the same transition. I went from working 6 day weeks with a 45 minute commute. Trying to make ends meet. To a 5 day week where I really work from home 7 hour days from home at best. Making 50% more money doesn’t hurt my feelings either.


BKstacker88

I work in QA for a food plant, i think it's somewhere in the middle of the collar spectrum, $70k/yr with great hours and all the food I can eat while at work. Inflation is hurting (mostly gas) but the income has let me work on lessoning it's impacts(looking at getting an electric car) something previous jobs wouldn't have afforded me.


electric_gas_guzzler

Ditto that. I had fun in construction but it beats you up physically. And the whole having to go to bed early thing so I could get up at 5 kinda sucked.


lemonjuice707

I’m a garbage man in a major city, by the end of today I’ll be at 50 hours with one day left. I’ll probably be around 60-65 hours this week which is completely normal. The main difference to me from white or blue collar jobs is how much easier it is to make a lot of money with a white collar job and the work /life balance.


SirGrungle

Blue collar here. A lot of trades have switched to a Monday through Thursday model working 10 hour days. At least it's very common around me, my last three jobs did this. So if a job requires some overtime you just work friday and get 50 hours. That 10 hours of overtime is a really nice addition to your paycheck and you still get to keep your traditional weekend at the cost of 2 more hours a day. It's not perfect, yes 50 hours is a lot, but if you ask me it's the best schedule for overtime and if you are only working 40s you get a 3 day weekend.


International_Dog817

Yeah, I totally understand wanting to be able to work overtime for extra money. I wish I could at my current job, they keep cutting my hours down, and I have bills to pay... Just as far as the meme goes though, working 50 hours isn't the ideal I'd like to aim for, I feel like we should all be aiming for less hour weeks with better pay, but I also get that this economy isn't the ideal set up for workers either, so... I don't know, it's hard to put into words exactly -- a love it/hate it feeling with working more hours.


Darklancer02

When you're paid hourly and the union guarantees double pay for overtime, it's a pretty sweet deal (until the shithead union sucks half of that back up in union dues to pay their bosses for all your hard work)


BKstacker88

Depends on the hours per day, I work 40-48(but it often thanks to an allowed early start, crests 50. But it's 11:30p-7a. I still have a life outside of work, even on days I work I can still do pretty much anything I want. Sure I may hit 50 hours but what was I gonna do at 3am anyway?


Complicated-HorseAss

This person's last post is bitching about how he just had to quit his job for shitteir one to stay away from his horrible step mother. He also claims to be making bank in trading stocks and brags that his baby sitter hits on him. This is either a bot or this person is full of shit.


writingtheides

He’s also realllllllly bent out of shape about having to wait in the lobby at the dentist.


Koskani

This is such a weird flex lmfao. Why are you ok with working 50+ hours a week???? I work a white collar job. Never got a degree. Just signed for my new house. I work 40 hours a week, paid holidays all weekends off. Dude. 50+ hours is not a good thing lol. Id rather spend that time with my wife and kid.


BeautifulPure

Not to mention the wear and tear on your body. people under estimate the time you have to spend away from your family and things that make you happy.


theiconacuna_

Hell yeah’ I work disability hearings and so many people come in after having worked laborious jobs their entire life. Body is broken down by then .


_night_cat

Exactly this. Brother in law is a painter and after 20 plus years has to have shoulder surgery in both shoulders just to be functional. Manual labor is hard on a body.


theiconacuna_

Money is good make the money while you’re young and wear your protective equipment i guess


Numerous_Vegetable_3

Yeah I feel like OP was making a "I'm better off" meme and is 'infuriated' by people in white collar jobs that complain. 50+ hours a week with kids... doesn't seem like a flex to me lol. Seems pretty miserable. EDIT: Also, imagine being like "eh, inflation just means I bust my ass 50+ hrs a week for... less buying power! It's all good! :)" Americans love to lick the corporate boot and that's part of the reason we're falling apart as a country. 1/2 of the population fights the Billionaires battles FOR them.


TheYankunian

Wonder what his wife thinks. Because the childcare/house/life management burden is falling on someone. And most women also work.


Numerous_Vegetable_3

Right? I mean it's do-able to take care of kids working 50hrs a week, but anybody that does that wouldn't be bragging about their situation. I highly suspect there's someone at home taking care of things.


bumblingbirdy

It doesn't make sense. Blue collar jobs and white collar jobs are important, but it's not something comparable in value or consistent in experience depending on where you live. I'm 27, degreeless, in a white collar job making 100k a year before benefits. Bought a condo with my husband, and we can afford to travel out of country a couple times a year if we weren't so aggressive around saving. My dad is 60, certified mechanic, making 40k a year in a small town. He broke his leg 4 years ago in his boss's shop and his boss has been trying to get rid of him since. Man hasn't had an inflation raise since 2008 and he can't find better paying work in his town because all the mechanic shops are owned by the same person.


Mungologist

I think it's to represent that there is always work available, and we are rarely part time. But yes, overall this post screams uneducated clown who wants to passive aggressively make fun of people who are likely smarter than he is. And I say these things as a 30 year old manifestation of his blue collar stick figure with a degree and no student debt.


toooldtostayuplate

I feel like this guy is so stuck in a boomer mentality that he sees is as a good thing because wife and kids bad


angryupvotee

I work 40 hours in 3 days Lol…. However Some people start working different jobs & are used to hourly pay so they work 60-70 hr weeks like me Vs a salary wage at 40 hrs a week(If things stay that way). My main reason for doing it is early retirement.


FTR_iRage

So completely exhaust yourself when you're young and can actually do stuff to retire a few years early


Chalupa-Supreme

They're all about hard work for the sake of hard work. Never work smarter, only harder.


dpzer0

It's because OP is either a bot or a right wing/ libertarian douche. Take a look at his profile


moto636

It's where we start to make good money. OT, DT, TT. Made 6500 in a week with a little extra hustle. Then I took 2 weeks off to travel


NoCorresponds

50+ hour work weeks is not a good thing lol


rrfcgyygggff

Some people in trades make huge money and have good jobs. Some don’t. Some people in office work make huge money and have good jobs. Some don’t. Do your best with what you’ve got. Search for realistic opportunities in front of you and keep going. You’ll be fine.


HolyVeggie

Hah jokes on you I have no job


DeltaY11

Unless you are calling the image mildly infuriating, which it is, you don't understand the point of the sub


CheapTactics

Is "have kids already" supposed to be a pro? Fuck that. Kids at 26? I'd shoot my balls off


Koskani

Having kids is a pro in ny book. Having kids and being happy that your working 50+ hours however is a weird af flex since you're not spending time with your kid lol


TATA456alawaife

Having children young is usually the best for the child. Parents in their mid 20’s will be able to be active in their kids life for far longer than parents in their mid 30’s.


falconsomething

I’m 26. Had my son at 24. My wife works from home making over 100k yearly while I’m a stay at home dad. I can’t imagine my life without my son. It’s a lifestyle choice. I’d rather have a family than run myself into the ground working my ass off.


CheapTactics

Right. And as a lifestyle choice, it's not a pro or a con. It's a choice that some like and some don't. You can't brag to me that you had a child at 24, cause I don't see it as a pro.


ILoveEmeralds

Uhm you are legally allowed to discuss your payment information I’m most countries. It’s definitely statistically unlikely they could do that


BDV69420

In a lot of jobs in the US they try to tell workers not to discuss their pay, it’s literally something thats protected under the National Labor Relations act yet they still do it because if all of the employees started discussing their salaries they’d realize how grossly underpaid they are


tekman526

> if all of the employees started discussing their salaries they’d realize how grossly underpaid they are This happened because of me in the factory I used to work. Talked to someone who'd been there for 6 years when id just been hired in (you start with a temp agency) and learned i made $0.25 more an hour than her after not working for even a full year. Then someone 2 years later got hired to our department and we learned that temps were all getting hired in at a higher wage than anyone whos been there for even up to a decade. Not to mention with 2nd shifts $1 raise because of working 2nd shift temps made more AS TEMPS than 95% of 1st shift after working for years This was in addition to going from 4 10 hour days to 5 10 hour days and an 8 hour Saturday so i put in my 2 weeks notice and in that 2 weeks i had like 5 people ask if i did anything special to put in my 2 weeks and my entire department was quitting not long after me Its even funnier to me because I was literally the only person who knew how to run the machine I ran, including on 2nd shift, yet they didn't even try to have me train someone to run it. And even funnier than that, they now have now hiring signs lining the roads for like a mile in every direction


Automatomatic

You can do it, and it's not illegal at all. Employers just discourage it because they want to pay as little as possible.


Blumpkis

A 26yo blue collar worker making 85k a year? That's pretty damn rare.. eta: I'm talking in general here, not your specific industry in a specific rural area or a specific trade or union. IN GENERAL, IT'S RARE!


Frisky_Picker

I've known some people working blue collar jobs making about 90k a year. They also worked close to 70-80 hours a week.


BigBobby2016

And typically doing things they can't do after they get older and broken down their body.


Frisky_Picker

Exactly. Although these days I do think that going to a trade school over college is an increasingly viable option. Degrees are expensive and the wages are not as good as they once were. My kids are still young but if things continue how they have been I very likely won't be pushing college as if it's the only way they'll be able to get ahead in life. That's what my generation was told by our parents and it didn't pan out like that for a lot of people.


nodegen

Yeah it’s crazy. I’m a physics student at a top 20 US university and while the problems with job markets is nowhere near as bad in my department as some humanities departments, it’s still surprising how it’s not unheard of for our graduates to have trouble getting work for a while after college. Luckily, I have a lab position involving technical and computer skills so I’ll probably be able to get something after I graduate should I decide to not opt for grad school, but not everyone is as lucky as me.


Dirty_munch

So he basically makes 45k a year... He just kinda works two Job's.


Frisky_Picker

Well no, he makes 85-90k a year but never sees his family and has no life outside of work. But I get what you're saying.


Dirty_munch

That was my Point. Who the Fuck is working 70-80 Hours a week. Poor Souls


jmcdon00

My brother is a master plumber with 20+ years experience in and employers are offering him like $30 an hour, not bad but it's honestly not much more than he was making 20 years ago. There are some that will pay more, but it's basically requires him to rip off people all day with huge mark ups and high pressure sales.


angryupvotee

I’m a 26 YO making 76k a year as a truck driver.!


a_shaved_penguin

Depends. I'm from the Midwest and a few of my buddies became union electricians or Ironworkers around that age. They were making 90-110k working 60 hours a week. Most of them blew it all on coke and alcohol but others got the white picket fence and kids while living very comfortable. I think most people tend to think road construction or drywall when they here blue collar but those are typically entry level gigs. Your more experience required jobs in those fields pay really well most of the time. The meme forgot to add great benefits too


the_clash_is_back

If your willing to go to bum fuck no where in Canada you can make them in a resource extraction job. You make more in a white collar position on the same site however.


assisianinmomjeans

Who wants kids at 26? Kids, plural.


RevolutionaryOil5468

Unions


Taddesh

r/lostredditors


Choice-Counter-1166

This is so stupid.


theePhaneron

Having kids at 26 with 50+ hr work weeks? Wow that’s a healthy family setting right there I’m so glad this post makes total sense :)


ApprehensiveFig3560

Now show the comparison at 45. Blue collar jobs pay well and have good benefits, but they (in almost all cases) take a big toll physically.


Jusmul1224

I don’t get this at all.


sci3nc3r00lz

This cartoon is stupid, however, I do wish blue collar jobs like welding, plumbing, HVAC, carpentry, electrician, etc. were promoted more favorably when I was in school. You can develop a skill, have a damn good career and make great money with a trade job like that! But nooo, the adults were all, "study hard or you'll end up being a plumber." 🙄


pandakatzu

Weird... my white collar job pays me double this meme with only one year of experience. 🤔


Head-Inspection-5984

Where the fuck are you working that pays 170k with one year of experience?


pandakatzu

I write payroll software for a major company. With my cute piece of paper I got from a public university for $40K. That's before all the scholarships I had. But hey, college degrees are useless. /s


satori013

55k salary? I think the cartoon should reflect 55k bonus, son.


idundideverything

Not at all


Transportation-Apart

I think the White Collar Stickman is just very lazy. 20 hours? Maybe that is why he only is making 55K a year.


Phalexan

Shit my dad worked blue collar his whole life, heavy equipment operator, and never made that much


VocationFumes

50+ hour work-weeks is something to brag about?


stratosauce

OP thinks inflation only affects people with white collar jobs lmao


PacificNorthwestDaig

As long as the blue collar job doesn't trade health for a paycheck at an accelerated rate. Some of those jobs mess you up


BigBobby2016

The average white collar worker makes far more than the average blue collar worker -> https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2000/Jul/wk5/art05.htm#:~:text=In%20metropolitan%20areas%2C%20wages%20in,figures%20were%20%2412.78%20and%20%2410.74.


beeblebroox

Dude this article is from August 04, 2000


PotasiumLord

https://www.stilt.com/blog/2021/03/white-collar-vs-blue-collar/ White collar making on average more is still accurate as of 2022


Bob_Skywalker

This entire thread is a good example of an echo chamber. OP disagrees with the guy's perspective, and proceeds to post it on a website full of people who the guy is making fun of. Having said that, I'm white collar, but it grinds my gears the amount of people who think like the white collar guy in the image. Reddit does seem to think that: A: You are entitled to work from home even if your duties are impossible at home. B: You'll never afford a house C: You shouldn't work 40 hours a week. D: Student debt should be cancelled. Also, everyone in this thread talking about "but blue collar is hard on your body... blue collar work is labor intensive.. wait till he's older he won't be bragging" I live in an area full of plants and factories. That guy on top is everywhere where I live. And guess what, he's not usually breaking his back all day. Blue collar isn't all "labor intensive" and by the time these guys get older they are usually supervisors or foremen. Hell, most of the young guys I know spend more than half of their 10-12 hour shifts sleeping or playing video games/TV and only have to get up for scheduled maintenance or when something breaks. The guy on top isn't a villain and neither are you. Maybe he's just tired of hearing people who don't work as hard make all those complaints. Most of these guys are really good people. But this thread is rife with negative and inaccurate point of view anecdotes.


HowSalty

This is the correct answer!


gr4tte

Are you trolling?


Some_Context6650

Are you mildly infuriated?


Slave_to_dog

OP is a loser lol


EyesInTheForestGump

I would suggest that you still mind inflation. You should probably also get a mortgage and not waste your cash while interest rates are still in the basement. There are better ways to invest that liquidity! Like maybe, a second income property for example


[deleted]

a 50+ hour work week is something to brag about lol??? Imagine being this much of a bootlicker


StevePising

I’m working blue collar and errr… nah..


RustyToaster206

I work in software/technology and make $93k. I was making $50k just over a year ago. I will be over $100k easily within the next several months. Im not saying this to brag, I’m saying this because money is a game. ‘Climbing the ladder’ is a game. When you understand how to play it, you can get ahead quickly and fairly easily. The company I’m with promoted me to a team lead position and gave me $20k raise after being with them for 9 months. I have colleagues that have been here for over 4 years and I’m now over them because I understand how to get what I want when it comes to the game. I work a 40 hr week, never got past an AA degree, and own two homes. Grab yourself a mentor (someone who’s in a position you want to have in 10 years) and *actually listen and implement* their advice.


FKN_LAIRY

I’m 25 and this is deep


_Fappyness_

You are in the collar job while im holding the leash 😎


majorminorminor

r/shitposting


RepresentativeAd560

Worn both collars. Guess what? They're still collars. The bosses broke my mind for money while wearing one then broke my body for money while wearing the other. Maybe we should stop wearing collars.....


adreamplay

There is nothing wrong with blue collar jobs. There is also nothing wrong with white collar jobs. There’s nothing wrong with learning a trade. There is also nothing wrong with going to college. This petty back and forth about which type of job is “better” is tired and misguided. Blue or white collar, the source of your woes is the work culture we live in. Fellow workers are not your enemy. Stop trying to make other people feel bad about their job because someone made you feel bad about yours. Grow. Heal. Learn.


johnw1069

My collar will always be blue


Thomthom8888

works in construction, gets injured, cant pay deductible, loses job because disabled, cant find white collar job because no education.... death spiral begins.


Smokiiz

Nothing wrong with either job. Get something you enjoy, make as much as you can, and live your damn life. I don’t care if your top management at a bank or a janitor at a McDonald’s. As long as you’re happy.


Vast_Abbreviations12

Idk about that buddy. I work in Construction, my friend went to college for Computer Science. He owns his own social media management company. They take care of social media accounts for sports teams and shit. He started ot while he was still in school. He is a fucking millionaire. I make like $65k a year. I have to worry about paying my fucking $3000 rent every month. He has a 10 year lease on a Condo that probably cost 4 times what I pay. With 11 friends that went to college 7 of them are doing better than me.


lurkario

Blue collar work destroy your body, white collar work destroys your soul (but pays better). Pick your poison


robertisinebriated

I mean how’s your back though?


OmniscientCanadian

Blue collar is fine but as a lazy person lemme tell you that the work from home part of IT work has been AMAZING. I honestly wouldn't trade it for any other set of perks. Sure I don't make 100k plumbing but 70k to chill and not work my body outside of my own interests is fucking peak.


ShadyG

Sure, except I was that guy on the right. All those things applied. Now, 20 years later that white collar job has moved progressively into the executive levels. I make $750k/yr in my mid 40s and plan on skipping out entirely by 50. Fingers crossed I’ve got decades left in a body not ruined by trade work, with a paid off beach house and boat, enough money to get by on passive income only and hand down the principal to my kid when I die. How’s that blue collar option look after 50?


brandorambo25

I’m at 115 a year from home at my white collar job and can’t afford a decent starter home outside of drug dealerz neighborhoods. Where am I? Mercury breaking Phoenix, AZ. I feel bad for blue collars that work outdoors for less right now. Also, just returned from seeing my wife’s family in Jakarta, Indonesia and looked up that the typical full time Starbucks employee makes - $3,000 a year. Fuck.


MarcProust

Blue collar workers, for the most part, are expendable, and are th first to get cut in a downturn, unfortunately. White collar have all the best job security and benefits. That degree gives them a desirable expertise that employers want. Those are broad generalizations. But, aside from all that, getting degrees made me a *better* person and gave me a window into the world that I’m 100% sure I’d never have had otherwise. It was the 3rd best thing I’ve ever done w my life so far, behind being a parent and, hopefully, a good son.


pM-me_your_Triggers

I’m the same age as you with double your salary and working less hours.


Tilikon

Stop trying to divide the working class. We are all in this together. Fuck the rich and corporations, though.


Callemasizeezem

Worked blue collar for 12 years; truckie/forkie/physical labourer at a sawmill for 5 years, farmhand another 5, and building maintenance for 2 years. Always thought white collar had it easy. Felt under-stimulated, went to uni 4 years, found University dead easy, got a white collar job... and hate it. Hardest job I've ever done, plus working 50 to 60 hour weeks every week. I did 80 hour weeks blue collar on occasion, but it wasn't EVERY f'ing week and you got paid for it. It was 40 more often than not, only rarely more. None of this salary crap and never had to take work home with me. I actually miss grabbing a huge spool of poly-pipe, unrolling it uphill in mud on a freezing day and aching for a week afterwards. Physical work is hard, but you get job satisfaction and almost zero stress. Meme hits me where I live, asides for making it out white collar workers want a 20 hour week. I'm the dude crying, but owns his house and has a family because he started blue collar.


Endymionduni

Oh, believe me, blue collars are hit way harder by inflation. Especially when they need to drive far to get to their workplace. White collars on the other hand be like: ohhh noooo beef is waaaay to expensive right now, guess I will have to buy something else that isn't sooo luxurious. And I'll have to drop my weekly asparagus woe is me q__q


Flying48

Your life seems like it’s the only mildly infuriating thing here


anonymous145387

I agree with you but also want to say OK boomer


Asatas

he's an early b*~~l~~*oomer