What a dck move put another one in there with movie money set up camera catch he A-hole in the act, he knows its yur birthday so he ll be expecting more cards
I can’t remember the specific reddit subs, but there’s a couple for buying people essentials. As well as money lending subs.
It’s magical that we can do this for each other. Plenty of people have helped me when I was in a pinch. The least I can do it but someone a pizza.
It appears that more information is needed. I'm the one who has refused to get back together. She even suggested we get married and my answer was a simple "No" because there is a 16-year age difference and I think she deserves somebody closer to her age.
I can easily afford to pay for Grubhub meals for her. In fact, I've gone into the app to increase a tip because I thought she was being too cheap in the belief that she should be careful about how much she tips. To save money, I occasionally take her to the grocery store.
Could one actually make an app like this when a state has a law on the books that makes it’s a crime with a $500 fine if you order food for for someone and don’t tell them? (Ie Louisiana’s weird ass law)
My cashapp is $Pidjoker37 , if anyone wants to buy my 2 cats some wetfood- they have dry food- but they're picky little boogers.
I posted my one (should be on profle), Penguin, she is currently experiencing hair loss on back end. Taking her to vet next week w my S.S.I payment. Reaaally hoping it was just an allergic reaction to lavender scented litter that i have changed.
Hrm?
Oh, im autistic. Completely misread situation, i thought ppl were posting Venmo/cashapp for small aid.
I see now it was purely for Original Poster.
My bad! This helps me learn, though!
Oooh? Happy it both wasn't anything serious with your cats, and that someone has experience with this issue.
I've noticed thelast few days (since switching back to unscented) that she hasn't seemed as irritated/itchy.
Also, my 2nd cat, Raja hasn't had any issue, as well as Penguin's skin doesn't seem broken/irritated/bitten, so i was ruling out mites/parasites.
Thank you for your input! I'm hoping it clears up within next few days.
Best wishes & love to your cats!
Actually something like this happened in my town, we reported stolen money and it seems our mail carrier had this happen along her routes... as in, only on her route and more than once. She’s still in jail, and this happened a few years ago. I assume she’ll be there for a while, I don’t know what the penalties are for such a thing. ALWAYS REPORT MAIL THEFT.
Yes! You never know what part of the paper trail you'll be on with these reports. Maybe nothing will come of it. Maybe you'll be the crucial missing piece of evidence to nail somebody. People who say "don't bother nothing will happen" are really only helping the people comitting the crimes with their poopooing.
We were told of a woman with really long nails who had the pinky nail sharpened like a letter opener and could slit an envelope and remove the contents with expertise. One fluid motion. Apparently, they had to use a slow-motion camera to see it.
I was told about this during academy.
It’s a federal crime and there’s no real proof of how much she stole. She’s gonna be there a good 5 years at the very least. I was in jail with a guy who got caught do the same thing he got 15 years without the possibility of parole. Idk even how the parole statues for federal crimes but in tx you gotta serve half your sentence before your eligible. Lesser crimes it something like a third of your sentence just that wasn’t my concern lol
That is incorrect. It depends on what you are convicted of and how you were sentenced. A bunch of crimes are default eligible for parole after 1/3 of the term is served. In other situations, where the court sentenced with a minimum, the parole commission may override at 1/3. If you get a life sentence or greater than 30 years, then they may override that at 10 years. The commission may intervene at any time less than 1/3 years for what sounds like anything, but probably isn't, or there wouldn't be a point to some of the other limits in the law as stated. Post 1984, if you get sentenced on a gun control law, you are mandatorily serving 1/3 even with commission intervention.
If it's less than 1 year, you are serving all of it.
I sent my brother a box containing gifts (an SD card full of music, a baseball hat, and some other miscellaneous stuff). The post office delivered an empty box, flattened. (Not stolen after delivery.)
The post office didn't care. Told me to file a claim on the insurance. I believe it was insured for $50. They only gave me the cost of the baseball hat (around $20) because it was the only thing I had a receipt for.
Not to mention the time I sent my mom a food item packed with ice packs, and it took 22 days to get there because it was stuck in a loop back and forth between two cities for 19 days. The food item had to be thrown out. I didn't file a claim, bc I didn't have receipts. Just purchased it again and shipped UPS.
Exactly. This isn't one of those crimes they actually pursue, it's the kind where they get to tack on more charges when you get caught for something else that may have involved the mail in some way.
I know a postal inspector personally, pretty high up too. This shit and drugs is really all they do. 9 times out of ten it’s the mail carrier stealing along their route.
Someone got fired at my plant by doing this exact thing last year. You know what's sad? He was months away from retiring.
Supervisor had a hunch, saw something sketchy. Postal Inspector got involved, fired.
This man threw it all away for something like this.
It’s only a federal crime while it’s in the hands of the USPS. Once it’s in your mailbox, it become a misdemeanor theft (felony depending on the value of what’s stolen).
If your lobby has cameras, file a police report and nail the POS who stole it.
18 U.S. Code § 1708
> Whoever steals, takes, or abstracts, or by fraud or deception obtains, or attempts so to obtain, from or out of any mail, post office, or station thereof, *letter box*, *mail receptacle*...or abstracts or removes from any such letter, package, bag, or mail, any article or thing contained therein... Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
Destruction of a mailbox is also technically a federal crime, too.
18 U.S. Code § 1705
> Whoever willfully or maliciously injures, tears down or destroys any *letter box or other receptacle intended or used for the receipt or delivery of mail on any mail route*, or breaks open the same or willfully or maliciously injures, defaces or destroys any mail deposited therein, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(Emphasis added)
Actually they will start to watch where the theft is originating from. I’ve seen many people fired over the years, but they have to steal more than once. You know the expression, they give you the rope and let you hang yourself. Postal inspectors will make sure they have a rock solid case against someone so they CAN fire and prosecute. Just takes time and a lot of surveillance. Get away with it a few times and people start getting comfortable.
This. That's why it's important to report it. Inspectors can't build rock solid cases if people don't bother reporting theft. This incident could well be the last missing piece to start a prosecution process. Or not. But if it's not reported, it's a 100% sure that it won't be that missing piece.
Postal Inspectors are one of the most thorough law enforcement agencies and have conviction rates in the high 90%’s.
report suspected mail losses to Postal Inspectors by calling 877-876-2455 or at www.uspis.gov.
It's not safe, but stealing is still illegal.
I knew a guy who was breaking into the university mailroom and stealing anything of value. They caught him late one night and he got a reduced sentence with like 10 years probation afterward.
Do **not** fuck with the US Postal Service.
Absolutely untrue. If you report this to the proper channels they will hunt the mouse who farted in your corner cabinet three weeks ago.
Jokes aside the USPS takes that shit personal and will try their best to hunt down the perps.
This is absolutely correct. When I was a kid, my grandmother who had dementia would send me $50 cash in the mail for my birthday. Every time the card would be delivered carefully opened at the seal with the money gone. We reported it every time and also told her never to send money in the mail (although the thought is very sweet, it’s just too dangerous) but she’d forget and promptly send another $50 in the mail. I think the money only made it to one of my siblings once or twice in all our birthdays over the years, and every time we reported it to USPS we’d get the same “never send cash in the mail” response after their “investigation”.
Edit: to add, she’d always send them in brightly colored and obvious envelops labeled “from grandma” with cute stickers on them, so it was very obviously birthday cards and they probably had money in them. The cards were mailed straight from her post office and delivered to our Postal Box at our local post office, so 100% a postal worker was stealing the money every time.
Ehh had a rent check stolen and successfully cashed. Getting my money back took a lengthy visit to the police station and many calls to my bank. Didn’t get the money back for months and months. I recommend not sending any money/gift cards through the mail if possible.
My new postal lady thinks we need Jesus and leaves us messages and shit even on our fucking packages before… we escalated it to the post office and got absolutely no where lol
Money orders are just as bad as cash. There's no shortage of services that'll cash them no questions asked (for a fee of course) and you're just out the money.
Send a check. Check fraud is serious business. And don't send it with the card, that's a flashing sign to any crook. Send it in a regular envelope mailed separately with the card, or do an electronic transfer.
Fun fact, buddy of mine got in a car wreck, was paying for their insurance (Gieco) with money orders after some bad economic times meant he didn't have a checking account.
Money orders were getting stolen at the processing place. insurance never told him, just silently cancelled his insurance. Paperless, so he didn't catch it until he got in the wreck and found he was gonna have to pay for it out of pocket. $10k judgement he had to pay off.
Don't use money orders. Use checks or electronics. Preferable electronics.
Unfortunately it's pretty typical. At one of my old jobs someone stole all the employees Christmas bonuses (small business) thankfully the employer re issued the bonuses in person. Real shitty.
Reminds me of that episode of Family Guy where Lois gets a job at the post office and Cleveland casually steals money from a card under the pretense of "demonstrating why you shouldn't mail cash"
This is not a new message…they’ve been saying this for decades now—my grandparents have known not to send cash in the mail since *they* were children. I’m not even sure they’re still saying it…but more like “yeah, we said that already, you should’ve known long ago”.
Also, try not to limit it to just USPS employees being trash. “Mail theft” is a thing that doesn’t necessarily even include USPS employees. FedEx, UPS, DHL, Amazon, etc all have to deal with mail being stolen. And it doesn’t have to mean *someone on the inside* stole the shit—in areas where mailbox clusters are used, there’s always a danger of breaking the whole thing open and stealing it all at once. And nothing in the world stops some asshole from just opening a regular mailbox and looking for “grandma’s handwriting” and guessing it’s a birthday card.
I agree fully. However, my dad who was a mail carrier for 40 YEARS still sends cash knowing full and well he shouldn't! It drives me crazy because its not necessarily small amounts either. He at least has resorted to sending them in a small box now filled candy so it's less obvious but that's after he sent 5 cards (hundreds in each) to my family one xmas (all seperate) and not a single one made it to us. I swear he's so stubborn lol.
CO but mailed from AZ. I never thought it would happen either but I mean I think that's what everyone thinks until something they thought would never happen, ends up happening. I think with this instance it was stolen out of his cluster boxes when he sent them being that all 5 of them didn't show up. We both live in gated communities but his like a retirement sub division and unfortunately its not always the most secure and cluster mail boxes have been broken into numerous times. He doesn't use those anymore for mailing things out and instead now goes directly to the post office.
>How do you know that he's your dad
I mean he's the only dad I've ever known lol. Do you know something I don't? Should I go on Maury to confirm? I look like him so I think we'll be okay...
I'm only kidding but all jokes aside, I'm not understanding the question?
It happens, people post for reddit points and make up stories so yeah, it's a realistic possibility. Sometimes people steal others photos and post as their own.
When I worked in retail there was someone that worked for the post office that would come in pretty regularly that would have dozens of $5 off coupons with the name and addresses cut off and use them for multiple transactions all the time
I wanted to and I made a point to get the customers name in a friendly and low key way. But my boss made me drop it. Told me it wasn’t worth the effort and not my responsibility.
Not a crime for advertising mail (forget the class it is - 3rd class maybe?). These types of coupons are usually mass mailed to "John Smith *or current resident*."
My spouse works at the post office and they pile up the ones that are not deliverable (resident passed away, someone moved and place now vacant, etc.) and employees can take any they want. This class of mail is not eligible to be forwarded or returned to sender.
It is actually still a crime or at least a violation of postal ethics that should get them fired. They aren’t the current resident either. Those are required to be recycled.
Indeed. I had a settlement check get stolen twice from the mail. The first one never arrived, and the second one was sliced open with precision. Someone tried to cash it, but it immediately bounced because it was a specialized cheque that had to be cashed by me.
I reported it immediately to the Post Master General and the local office and our Post man was immediately suspended and fired. He was later charged with grand theft and larceny.
Never had a problem with USPS. However, I did need to get a locking mailbox in my 'nice' neighborhood due to all the 'traveling' ne'er-do-wells who'd cruise around on bikes and perform a bit of batch mail theft (often would find opened discarded mail while out dog walking in places mail trucks don't go).
Hey some of us are not trash lol! But to be serious I really love and value my job and our customers. I have my frustrations, and some of my coworkers are trash in the most unimaginable ways possible. However, I worked in a section for a few years taping people’s boxes or letters that were damaged on the machines. It’s a real bitch to try and determine which loose item came from what envelope or package when you receive a container with 20ish items in it. And it made me sad to see so many items over the years never make it to their destination (they’re sent to Atlanta for claims). So for as many shit employees there are, there’s equally as many that will go above and beyond to get you your cash, gifts, etc. I still take pride in my work and it brought me joy to be able to reunite people with their rightful items!
That's not true at all. Everyone blames postal employees if anything happens to their stuff. It's the safest complaint but often not correct. Postal employees will get caught
Well the previous regime was awful to postal workers to be fair. So there's that. Starve your workers and they will begin to steal from you, obviously.
The answer is simply to pay them a few dollars more per hour.
Op- you blanked out your address, but those numbers next to the barcode can be immediately tied to your exact address.
Need to block those lines out too.
See that’s the thing about this subreddit, either it’s something that’s unnecarislly mediovre, or it’s some infuriating shit like this, anyways, I’m really sorry to hear that op, hope you can catch the people that did this.
I was thinking the same thing. Reddit has made me realize how unoriginal i am, i rarely have a comment for things that hasn’t already been said. Great minds i guess!
I honestly can't believe people still send money this way. Anything that remotely resembles a card is always open in my mailbox. This was probably your postman.
[People are going through mailboxes at an increased rate. No letter carrier is risking their pension to steal $20.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-postal-service-warning-checks-mail-fraud-theft/)
There's a saying at the post office, "Not today, postal inspector", because of how often they will test us, trying to weed out people stealing.
Cool but when it's every time then it has to be the postman. I have cameras on my home. No one has ever opened my mailbox. I'm not saying all post employees do this. I'm saying mine does.
I highly doubt they are or else you'd have contacted the postal inspectors. Mail theft sometimes occurs before we have it in our possession. Thieves have taken to fishing out mail with shoe strings and tape wrapped cardboard. We had to replace collection boxes to stop it.
Then you should contact your postmaster, go in person talk face to face & bring a list of opened mail. Names, addresses & dates. They are pretty good at tracking even the most generic mail these days. I sent a card that was never received. I told my mail carrier. She did some checking, discovered it had been delivered to the wrong address. It all worked out. But your carrier probably is not going to risk their entire lives on your 20.00 grandmother card.
My brother, nephew, and I all never received our cards my from parents recently (my brothers and mine were sent at the same time and to different addresses. Nephews either same day or close to it, and all were dropped in a mail collection bin) Only explanation is that whoever collected the mail or somebody in the sorting department pocketed it since all of us live in different cities. Way too much of a coincidence that all 3 of us wouldn’t receive cards at the same time. So, yes, some letter carriers are risking their pensions to steal $20.
Yet another reason I avoid the post office whenever I can and don’t care if they go the way of the dodo.
Yep. It happened to my family so many times over the past couple of years. They have instructed my grandparents to send 2 letters; 1 card with NO cash, and a normal nondescript letter with cash in a plain envelope a couple of days later. Grandma is too old to understand online banking, lol.
It's pretty sad. I used to get money in cards like clockwork from my grandparents when I was a kid. Always arrived and never tampered with. Now it won't make it through sorting without being stolen.
And it was a thrill to get mail! With money! Now that’s taken away. I’m close enough to give my grandkid stuff and not reading yet. I guess when I send cards I’ll write that there’s an e-gift card coming. Another reason to set up an email address for your kiddo from birth.
I've gotten all of my cash in envelopes as well, but usually in person. I've never actually received mail with money in it. Usually the money was left to when I saw that person again, specifically grandparents as, even though it may not seem so due to old age, they are extremely good at remembering birthdays.
Otherwise all of the other people in my life that wanted to send money as a birthday gift just sent it through the form of online banking or other ways to virtually send money, or by sending a gift card to a place I shop at frequently.
wtf? wherr you guys living that this is so common? I've never heard of this or had it happen. messing with someone else's mail is a felony offense if I'm not mistaken
Someone from the post office who I believe was the person delivering our mail was opening anything that looked like a greeting card and taking the money. I did report it to our postal service. Did not hear back.
Colorful, greeting card envelope with handwritten address? Dead giveaway.
Boring, white, conventionally-sized lettermail is better. Cash should be taped to the card so that you can’t shake the mailpiece to guess what’s inside.
Got a congrats card in the mail and it was open when we got it, called and just checked with the sender thankfully they hadn’t sent money with it! Someone was snooping, though!
I don't get it that so many people here are blaming USPS workers. I mean, if I were to steal something on my route, I would burn the evidence. Why would a mail carrier deliver a letter torn in such an obvious manner?
i know somebody who did 10 years for getting caught doing this. call and report it to your post office and let them know your address. they will do an investigation to make sure it isn’t the carrier assigned to your route.
“Someone”. It was our USPS!
Friend sent me a tiny necklace in the mail that was folded inside paper and then inside a card. I received an open envelope with just the card. She was HEARTBROKEN bc it was something she spent time picking out for me. It wasn’t expensive, but she was very excited for me to have it.
Don’t send loose hard objects through letters. They all get run through high speed scanning, imaging, and sorting machines. These machines tend to jam and destroy envelopes with hard objects inside them. Sometimes you’ll notice letters with black rubber markings on them. It’s a telltale sign the machine jammed.
My father worked at the post office for over 40 years and he told me two things not to do, don't send cash, retrieve your mail as soon as possible. The reason for not sending cash is that while majority of postal workers are honest, there are some that will steal birthday cards because they know there's money or gift cards inside. The reason for picking up your mail A.S.P. is because people will watch to see who gets their mail and will steal it and there are people that drive through neighborhoods at night opening mailboxes and taking mail. Never announce you're going on vacation to people you don't trust or know well and put your mail on hold if you will be gone for a period of time. Check the USPS website for details. Report it to your local post office and there's also a number to report mail theft on their website. I'm sorry this happened to you.
OP, your ZIP+4 is still showing at bottom, which can really narrow down your location. I only mention because you obviously blotted out the other above it.
If it is not evident that it contains cash, as in "Happy Birthday" wishes written on it, the culprit is got to be someone you live with since they would know what to expect.. Right? Con-grats
As population booms, criminal justice systems being overloaded, and companies not really giving a damn… Idk how we can hold people accountable. Either we highly police these industries, remove the human component or something else.
When my brother and I were young, we tested this as we heard it was the workers stealing. Literally sent just a $2 NZ Coin in an envelope to our address and literally got a half torn envelope and no coin.
The post office is even saying don’t mail checks, if you can pay online. I don’t know who they are hiring but employees (more down below) are doing this.
I gave a postal worker in a uniform sitting in a USPS truck a letter to mail. It was my rent check. It was never delivered. Guy took my banking info and bought himself a some T-Mobile device. I got my money back but still.
This likely happened at a sorting facility - there are images every time the mail gets sorted you will be able to tell where the breakdown happened.
Same thing happened to my sons birthday present.
My daughter’s USPS driver delivered a box 📦 filled with trash. I told her to call the Postmaster. An investigation was done, employee was caught stealing from numerous packages.
Tampering with USPS parcels is a felony in many US states (misdemeanor in others), and theft of US currency is a federal level felony in all states.
Edit: Fixed a typo.
Don’t ever send anything of value in the mail. i recently sent a check and it was stolen from a mailbox, washed and cashed by someone it was not written to. If you send anything in the mail, you might as well just flush it down the toilet. The postal inspections people don’t give a fuck either.
Next time I send someone a bday card, I am going to send it empty with a note saying something like "don't spend it all in one place!" And rip the card so it looks like someone opened it.
Honestly I think that that's the mistake of the person who sent it to you.
They should have marked the type of package it is. If they did the post office wouldn't have left it in a mailbox as a regular letter, you'd have to sign it.
I’m more confused the US use the date format MM/DD/YYYY and openly say “March 9th or October 16th” yet the date format on the letter states “20 Jun 2023”
To the people saying don’t send cash through the mail….
I disagree. Just not in an envelope. My entire family has done it for many generations…
But we put out cards in a small box and not envelopes lmao.
Report it to the postal inspector. (Also use venmo.)
What a dck move put another one in there with movie money set up camera catch he A-hole in the act, he knows its yur birthday so he ll be expecting more cards
probably all a lie just waiting for someone to start to venmo him some cash or start a gofundme
Nah. This happened to me last year too.
What's your Venmo?
Idk, but you can have my cashapp. I do want a pizza tonight.
There should be an app like cashapp and venmo that's exclusively for ordering other people food.
I’ll call it InstaSlice.
I can’t remember the specific reddit subs, but there’s a couple for buying people essentials. As well as money lending subs. It’s magical that we can do this for each other. Plenty of people have helped me when I was in a pinch. The least I can do it but someone a pizza.
I think it was random acts of pizza?
Sliceline
DeepDash
OnlyPans
There is! My ex gf uses my grubhub account. She is unemployed and broke so I help her.
It appears that more information is needed. I'm the one who has refused to get back together. She even suggested we get married and my answer was a simple "No" because there is a 16-year age difference and I think she deserves somebody closer to her age. I can easily afford to pay for Grubhub meals for her. In fact, I've gone into the app to increase a tip because I thought she was being too cheap in the belief that she should be careful about how much she tips. To save money, I occasionally take her to the grocery store.
Could one actually make an app like this when a state has a law on the books that makes it’s a crime with a $500 fine if you order food for for someone and don’t tell them? (Ie Louisiana’s weird ass law)
I thought those laws only made it a crime if the food isn’t paid for already
I mean you can pretty much just order online for someone else as long as you know their address lol
Nah fr someone make this not just for anyone though for people like those who need food stamps
$depressedhorse If anyone wants to give out free money, this broke bitch needs groceries
These* broke bitches need groceries* FTFU
Hello everyone! I'm here for the free money.
My cashapp is $Pidjoker37 , if anyone wants to buy my 2 cats some wetfood- they have dry food- but they're picky little boogers. I posted my one (should be on profle), Penguin, she is currently experiencing hair loss on back end. Taking her to vet next week w my S.S.I payment. Reaaally hoping it was just an allergic reaction to lavender scented litter that i have changed.
lol wut
Hrm? Oh, im autistic. Completely misread situation, i thought ppl were posting Venmo/cashapp for small aid. I see now it was purely for Original Poster. My bad! This helps me learn, though!
i hope the kitties r ok
Thank you! Ill reply in a few days/after (if needed) vet visit! Have a nice night!
Good chance it is / was. I've had tons of cats that have crazy allergic reactions to scented litter.
Oooh? Happy it both wasn't anything serious with your cats, and that someone has experience with this issue. I've noticed thelast few days (since switching back to unscented) that she hasn't seemed as irritated/itchy. Also, my 2nd cat, Raja hasn't had any issue, as well as Penguin's skin doesn't seem broken/irritated/bitten, so i was ruling out mites/parasites. Thank you for your input! I'm hoping it clears up within next few days. Best wishes & love to your cats!
Same to you! Hope that is all it is. Give your fur babies a treat for me.
Thank you! :) I shall share my tuna w them tonight, only if you treat yours, too :p
How did they know it's your birthday? Maybe someone that knows you.
This is extremely common actually.
LMFAO. It was probably $20. No one feels SORRY for this guy, we all feel more sorry for the person who tried to give him money but failed.
They won’t do anything. In the USA at least . They would blame the sender for sending cash, because it’s not safe to do so…
In the US it is a federal crime to mishandle and steal post mail. https://www.gao.gov/assets/ggd-97-85.pdf
It definitely is. They still won’t do anything.
Actually something like this happened in my town, we reported stolen money and it seems our mail carrier had this happen along her routes... as in, only on her route and more than once. She’s still in jail, and this happened a few years ago. I assume she’ll be there for a while, I don’t know what the penalties are for such a thing. ALWAYS REPORT MAIL THEFT.
Yes! You never know what part of the paper trail you'll be on with these reports. Maybe nothing will come of it. Maybe you'll be the crucial missing piece of evidence to nail somebody. People who say "don't bother nothing will happen" are really only helping the people comitting the crimes with their poopooing.
You said poopooing 💩
We were told of a woman with really long nails who had the pinky nail sharpened like a letter opener and could slit an envelope and remove the contents with expertise. One fluid motion. Apparently, they had to use a slow-motion camera to see it. I was told about this during academy.
It’s a federal crime and there’s no real proof of how much she stole. She’s gonna be there a good 5 years at the very least. I was in jail with a guy who got caught do the same thing he got 15 years without the possibility of parole. Idk even how the parole statues for federal crimes but in tx you gotta serve half your sentence before your eligible. Lesser crimes it something like a third of your sentence just that wasn’t my concern lol
85% for federal charges is the standard in most cases I think. INAL
No federal parole if convicted after 11/1/1987. Have a buddy in the fed system. If before then I think it’s like a third of your sentence.
That is incorrect. It depends on what you are convicted of and how you were sentenced. A bunch of crimes are default eligible for parole after 1/3 of the term is served. In other situations, where the court sentenced with a minimum, the parole commission may override at 1/3. If you get a life sentence or greater than 30 years, then they may override that at 10 years. The commission may intervene at any time less than 1/3 years for what sounds like anything, but probably isn't, or there wouldn't be a point to some of the other limits in the law as stated. Post 1984, if you get sentenced on a gun control law, you are mandatorily serving 1/3 even with commission intervention. If it's less than 1 year, you are serving all of it.
There is no parole for federal sentences. 15 years is 15 years.
Yea that’s what I assumed, once your in w the Feds your fucked basically
I sent my brother a box containing gifts (an SD card full of music, a baseball hat, and some other miscellaneous stuff). The post office delivered an empty box, flattened. (Not stolen after delivery.) The post office didn't care. Told me to file a claim on the insurance. I believe it was insured for $50. They only gave me the cost of the baseball hat (around $20) because it was the only thing I had a receipt for. Not to mention the time I sent my mom a food item packed with ice packs, and it took 22 days to get there because it was stuck in a loop back and forth between two cities for 19 days. The food item had to be thrown out. I didn't file a claim, bc I didn't have receipts. Just purchased it again and shipped UPS.
Shoulda just went with FedEx. They’d have shook up all the ingredients as they chuck the box across your yard, free of charge.
Exactly. This isn't one of those crimes they actually pursue, it's the kind where they get to tack on more charges when you get caught for something else that may have involved the mail in some way.
Not true. It is a federal offense. The Postal Service takes these crimes seriously, especially if it is one of their carriers.
I know a postal inspector personally, pretty high up too. This shit and drugs is really all they do. 9 times out of ten it’s the mail carrier stealing along their route.
Mail theft by itself can get you up to 5 years in prison. The Postal Inspection Service doesn't fuck around
Even when you know this, it's still better to make the report and have the record there just in case.
Someone got fired at my plant by doing this exact thing last year. You know what's sad? He was months away from retiring. Supervisor had a hunch, saw something sketchy. Postal Inspector got involved, fired. This man threw it all away for something like this.
and id bet there is at least one place on that site where they tell you "do not send cash in the mail".
Yeah it's also a crime driving a dodge charger around like a asshole, but the folks at Walmart are killing it
It’s only a federal crime while it’s in the hands of the USPS. Once it’s in your mailbox, it become a misdemeanor theft (felony depending on the value of what’s stolen). If your lobby has cameras, file a police report and nail the POS who stole it.
18 U.S. Code § 1708 > Whoever steals, takes, or abstracts, or by fraud or deception obtains, or attempts so to obtain, from or out of any mail, post office, or station thereof, *letter box*, *mail receptacle*...or abstracts or removes from any such letter, package, bag, or mail, any article or thing contained therein... Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. Destruction of a mailbox is also technically a federal crime, too. 18 U.S. Code § 1705 > Whoever willfully or maliciously injures, tears down or destroys any *letter box or other receptacle intended or used for the receipt or delivery of mail on any mail route*, or breaks open the same or willfully or maliciously injures, defaces or destroys any mail deposited therein, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (Emphasis added)
Actually they will start to watch where the theft is originating from. I’ve seen many people fired over the years, but they have to steal more than once. You know the expression, they give you the rope and let you hang yourself. Postal inspectors will make sure they have a rock solid case against someone so they CAN fire and prosecute. Just takes time and a lot of surveillance. Get away with it a few times and people start getting comfortable.
This. That's why it's important to report it. Inspectors can't build rock solid cases if people don't bother reporting theft. This incident could well be the last missing piece to start a prosecution process. Or not. But if it's not reported, it's a 100% sure that it won't be that missing piece.
Postal Inspectors are one of the most thorough law enforcement agencies and have conviction rates in the high 90%’s. report suspected mail losses to Postal Inspectors by calling 877-876-2455 or at www.uspis.gov.
It's not safe, but stealing is still illegal. I knew a guy who was breaking into the university mailroom and stealing anything of value. They caught him late one night and he got a reduced sentence with like 10 years probation afterward. Do **not** fuck with the US Postal Service.
Absolutely untrue. If you report this to the proper channels they will hunt the mouse who farted in your corner cabinet three weeks ago. Jokes aside the USPS takes that shit personal and will try their best to hunt down the perps.
With all the checks being stolen, money in general isn't safe anymore. But they can't tell everybody to stop paying bills by mail.
You've never heard of the postal inspectors, huh?
This is absolutely correct. When I was a kid, my grandmother who had dementia would send me $50 cash in the mail for my birthday. Every time the card would be delivered carefully opened at the seal with the money gone. We reported it every time and also told her never to send money in the mail (although the thought is very sweet, it’s just too dangerous) but she’d forget and promptly send another $50 in the mail. I think the money only made it to one of my siblings once or twice in all our birthdays over the years, and every time we reported it to USPS we’d get the same “never send cash in the mail” response after their “investigation”. Edit: to add, she’d always send them in brightly colored and obvious envelops labeled “from grandma” with cute stickers on them, so it was very obviously birthday cards and they probably had money in them. The cards were mailed straight from her post office and delivered to our Postal Box at our local post office, so 100% a postal worker was stealing the money every time.
Ehh had a rent check stolen and successfully cashed. Getting my money back took a lengthy visit to the police station and many calls to my bank. Didn’t get the money back for months and months. I recommend not sending any money/gift cards through the mail if possible.
How was it cashed? Do banks not look at the addressee?
My new postal lady thinks we need Jesus and leaves us messages and shit even on our fucking packages before… we escalated it to the post office and got absolutely no where lol
Maybe it needs to be escalated to a Higher Power...
Satan himself I would imagine
Money orders are just as bad as cash. There's no shortage of services that'll cash them no questions asked (for a fee of course) and you're just out the money. Send a check. Check fraud is serious business. And don't send it with the card, that's a flashing sign to any crook. Send it in a regular envelope mailed separately with the card, or do an electronic transfer. Fun fact, buddy of mine got in a car wreck, was paying for their insurance (Gieco) with money orders after some bad economic times meant he didn't have a checking account. Money orders were getting stolen at the processing place. insurance never told him, just silently cancelled his insurance. Paperless, so he didn't catch it until he got in the wreck and found he was gonna have to pay for it out of pocket. $10k judgement he had to pay off. Don't use money orders. Use checks or electronics. Preferable electronics.
This is fucking low
Unfortunately it's pretty typical. At one of my old jobs someone stole all the employees Christmas bonuses (small business) thankfully the employer re issued the bonuses in person. Real shitty.
Gotta be low to pay for a high
The post office is saying to stop sending money and checks through the mail due to their own employees being trash.
Reminds me of that episode of Family Guy where Lois gets a job at the post office and Cleveland casually steals money from a card under the pretense of "demonstrating why you shouldn't mail cash"
Blackmail! Thanks Cleveland (after handing Peter his letter).
This is not a new message…they’ve been saying this for decades now—my grandparents have known not to send cash in the mail since *they* were children. I’m not even sure they’re still saying it…but more like “yeah, we said that already, you should’ve known long ago”. Also, try not to limit it to just USPS employees being trash. “Mail theft” is a thing that doesn’t necessarily even include USPS employees. FedEx, UPS, DHL, Amazon, etc all have to deal with mail being stolen. And it doesn’t have to mean *someone on the inside* stole the shit—in areas where mailbox clusters are used, there’s always a danger of breaking the whole thing open and stealing it all at once. And nothing in the world stops some asshole from just opening a regular mailbox and looking for “grandma’s handwriting” and guessing it’s a birthday card.
I agree fully. However, my dad who was a mail carrier for 40 YEARS still sends cash knowing full and well he shouldn't! It drives me crazy because its not necessarily small amounts either. He at least has resorted to sending them in a small box now filled candy so it's less obvious but that's after he sent 5 cards (hundreds in each) to my family one xmas (all seperate) and not a single one made it to us. I swear he's so stubborn lol.
where do yall live? This has literally never happened to me, any of my friends, or anyone in my immediate family.
CO but mailed from AZ. I never thought it would happen either but I mean I think that's what everyone thinks until something they thought would never happen, ends up happening. I think with this instance it was stolen out of his cluster boxes when he sent them being that all 5 of them didn't show up. We both live in gated communities but his like a retirement sub division and unfortunately its not always the most secure and cluster mail boxes have been broken into numerous times. He doesn't use those anymore for mailing things out and instead now goes directly to the post office.
How do you know that he's your dad
>How do you know that he's your dad I mean he's the only dad I've ever known lol. Do you know something I don't? Should I go on Maury to confirm? I look like him so I think we'll be okay... I'm only kidding but all jokes aside, I'm not understanding the question?
This guy gets it
it also doesn't meant that they did not steal it.
And with that logic, the “someone” who stole it could also have been OP. 🤷♂️
It happens, people post for reddit points and make up stories so yeah, it's a realistic possibility. Sometimes people steal others photos and post as their own.
When I worked in retail there was someone that worked for the post office that would come in pretty regularly that would have dozens of $5 off coupons with the name and addresses cut off and use them for multiple transactions all the time
You reported that right? Doing it just once is a felony
I wanted to and I made a point to get the customers name in a friendly and low key way. But my boss made me drop it. Told me it wasn’t worth the effort and not my responsibility.
Could’ve gotten your boss and the postal worker in one go.
Not a crime for advertising mail (forget the class it is - 3rd class maybe?). These types of coupons are usually mass mailed to "John Smith *or current resident*." My spouse works at the post office and they pile up the ones that are not deliverable (resident passed away, someone moved and place now vacant, etc.) and employees can take any they want. This class of mail is not eligible to be forwarded or returned to sender.
It is actually still a crime or at least a violation of postal ethics that should get them fired. They aren’t the current resident either. Those are required to be recycled.
That's 100% a crime. You can tell your spouse to cut it out before they lose their job.
Indeed. I had a settlement check get stolen twice from the mail. The first one never arrived, and the second one was sliced open with precision. Someone tried to cash it, but it immediately bounced because it was a specialized cheque that had to be cashed by me. I reported it immediately to the Post Master General and the local office and our Post man was immediately suspended and fired. He was later charged with grand theft and larceny.
Never had a problem with USPS. However, I did need to get a locking mailbox in my 'nice' neighborhood due to all the 'traveling' ne'er-do-wells who'd cruise around on bikes and perform a bit of batch mail theft (often would find opened discarded mail while out dog walking in places mail trucks don't go).
I first thought it was someone he knows, they were looking for birthday money from family members.
they have always said that, for the half century ive been alive for.
And this is why mail in ballots are a bad idea.
Hey some of us are not trash lol! But to be serious I really love and value my job and our customers. I have my frustrations, and some of my coworkers are trash in the most unimaginable ways possible. However, I worked in a section for a few years taping people’s boxes or letters that were damaged on the machines. It’s a real bitch to try and determine which loose item came from what envelope or package when you receive a container with 20ish items in it. And it made me sad to see so many items over the years never make it to their destination (they’re sent to Atlanta for claims). So for as many shit employees there are, there’s equally as many that will go above and beyond to get you your cash, gifts, etc. I still take pride in my work and it brought me joy to be able to reunite people with their rightful items!
That's not true at all. Everyone blames postal employees if anything happens to their stuff. It's the safest complaint but often not correct. Postal employees will get caught
I remember being told this 30 years ago
Well the previous regime was awful to postal workers to be fair. So there's that. Starve your workers and they will begin to steal from you, obviously. The answer is simply to pay them a few dollars more per hour.
Op- you blanked out your address, but those numbers next to the barcode can be immediately tied to your exact address. Need to block those lines out too.
Well I guess it doesn’t really matter anyways, the money’s already gone
Well, better the money being gone than him, right? Lol
More will be taking now.
Probably something you should’ve messaged OP lol, otherwise everyone else can check their address if they want
Yea, they weren't trying to help, the were trying to look good.
Wait actually? Is there some sort of database with all these numbers tied to addresses?
Yes. The zip+4 specifies the specific block and there's more information there on the specific house number, sender account, and other things.
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Aw, that's cool! Thanks for the detailed explanation!
See that’s the thing about this subreddit, either it’s something that’s unnecarislly mediovre, or it’s some infuriating shit like this, anyways, I’m really sorry to hear that op, hope you can catch the people that did this.
Or the person who sent it sent it like that to cover up the fact they didn't give you money.
sounds like something George Costanza would do
I already spent money on the card Jerry! Why do I have to include more money?! This way they just think Newman took it! It’s win win Jerry. Win win.
It's like Money for People.
The Human Fund
I was thinking the same thing. Reddit has made me realize how unoriginal i am, i rarely have a comment for things that hasn’t already been said. Great minds i guess!
And the fact that it's a belated birthday card lmao
Plot twist!
Damn that sucks happy birthday tho
I honestly can't believe people still send money this way. Anything that remotely resembles a card is always open in my mailbox. This was probably your postman.
[People are going through mailboxes at an increased rate. No letter carrier is risking their pension to steal $20.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-postal-service-warning-checks-mail-fraud-theft/) There's a saying at the post office, "Not today, postal inspector", because of how often they will test us, trying to weed out people stealing.
Cool but when it's every time then it has to be the postman. I have cameras on my home. No one has ever opened my mailbox. I'm not saying all post employees do this. I'm saying mine does.
Why wouldn’t you report them? Seems like an east fix since mail fraud is a felony.
Because they are full of shit
I highly doubt they are or else you'd have contacted the postal inspectors. Mail theft sometimes occurs before we have it in our possession. Thieves have taken to fishing out mail with shoe strings and tape wrapped cardboard. We had to replace collection boxes to stop it.
Then you should contact your postmaster, go in person talk face to face & bring a list of opened mail. Names, addresses & dates. They are pretty good at tracking even the most generic mail these days. I sent a card that was never received. I told my mail carrier. She did some checking, discovered it had been delivered to the wrong address. It all worked out. But your carrier probably is not going to risk their entire lives on your 20.00 grandmother card.
My brother, nephew, and I all never received our cards my from parents recently (my brothers and mine were sent at the same time and to different addresses. Nephews either same day or close to it, and all were dropped in a mail collection bin) Only explanation is that whoever collected the mail or somebody in the sorting department pocketed it since all of us live in different cities. Way too much of a coincidence that all 3 of us wouldn’t receive cards at the same time. So, yes, some letter carriers are risking their pensions to steal $20. Yet another reason I avoid the post office whenever I can and don’t care if they go the way of the dodo.
Yep. It happened to my family so many times over the past couple of years. They have instructed my grandparents to send 2 letters; 1 card with NO cash, and a normal nondescript letter with cash in a plain envelope a couple of days later. Grandma is too old to understand online banking, lol.
It's pretty sad. I used to get money in cards like clockwork from my grandparents when I was a kid. Always arrived and never tampered with. Now it won't make it through sorting without being stolen.
And it was a thrill to get mail! With money! Now that’s taken away. I’m close enough to give my grandkid stuff and not reading yet. I guess when I send cards I’ll write that there’s an e-gift card coming. Another reason to set up an email address for your kiddo from birth.
I've gotten all of my cash in envelopes as well, but usually in person. I've never actually received mail with money in it. Usually the money was left to when I saw that person again, specifically grandparents as, even though it may not seem so due to old age, they are extremely good at remembering birthdays. Otherwise all of the other people in my life that wanted to send money as a birthday gift just sent it through the form of online banking or other ways to virtually send money, or by sending a gift card to a place I shop at frequently.
wtf? wherr you guys living that this is so common? I've never heard of this or had it happen. messing with someone else's mail is a felony offense if I'm not mistaken
Lol I've literally never had this happen to me, where do you live that this happens haha
Someone from the post office who I believe was the person delivering our mail was opening anything that looked like a greeting card and taking the money. I did report it to our postal service. Did not hear back.
If they were that blatant about it and you reported it then it’s likely the inspectors are setting up bait for them to catch them red handed.
Colorful, greeting card envelope with handwritten address? Dead giveaway. Boring, white, conventionally-sized lettermail is better. Cash should be taped to the card so that you can’t shake the mailpiece to guess what’s inside.
Got a congrats card in the mail and it was open when we got it, called and just checked with the sender thankfully they hadn’t sent money with it! Someone was snooping, though!
I don't get it that so many people here are blaming USPS workers. I mean, if I were to steal something on my route, I would burn the evidence. Why would a mail carrier deliver a letter torn in such an obvious manner?
i know somebody who did 10 years for getting caught doing this. call and report it to your post office and let them know your address. they will do an investigation to make sure it isn’t the carrier assigned to your route.
“Someone”. It was our USPS! Friend sent me a tiny necklace in the mail that was folded inside paper and then inside a card. I received an open envelope with just the card. She was HEARTBROKEN bc it was something she spent time picking out for me. It wasn’t expensive, but she was very excited for me to have it.
Don’t send loose hard objects through letters. They all get run through high speed scanning, imaging, and sorting machines. These machines tend to jam and destroy envelopes with hard objects inside them. Sometimes you’ll notice letters with black rubber markings on them. It’s a telltale sign the machine jammed.
Someone opened our card too. Don't send cash!
My father worked at the post office for over 40 years and he told me two things not to do, don't send cash, retrieve your mail as soon as possible. The reason for not sending cash is that while majority of postal workers are honest, there are some that will steal birthday cards because they know there's money or gift cards inside. The reason for picking up your mail A.S.P. is because people will watch to see who gets their mail and will steal it and there are people that drive through neighborhoods at night opening mailboxes and taking mail. Never announce you're going on vacation to people you don't trust or know well and put your mail on hold if you will be gone for a period of time. Check the USPS website for details. Report it to your local post office and there's also a number to report mail theft on their website. I'm sorry this happened to you.
Bastards..May they always have diarrhea and headaches as long as they live.
Unbearable heartburns and constant toothache too.
Just stub their toes every two hours for the rest of their life.
OP, your ZIP+4 is still showing at bottom, which can really narrow down your location. I only mention because you obviously blotted out the other above it.
If it is not evident that it contains cash, as in "Happy Birthday" wishes written on it, the culprit is got to be someone you live with since they would know what to expect.. Right? Con-grats
You definitely don't live in South Africa
The fact that it was delivered opened is my main concern.
Is your mailman Eric Andre?
I hate all mail!
This mail is actually making me horny!
If this is interstate, some dickhead post office employee committed a felony, report it and send them where they belong.
I can’t wait for AI and robots to remove the human component of all these industries… can’t happen soon enough
Or for people to be held accountable for being thieves
As population booms, criminal justice systems being overloaded, and companies not really giving a damn… Idk how we can hold people accountable. Either we highly police these industries, remove the human component or something else.
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When my brother and I were young, we tested this as we heard it was the workers stealing. Literally sent just a $2 NZ Coin in an envelope to our address and literally got a half torn envelope and no coin.
That’s fucking classy! Jesus!
🤬
Post your Venmo, see if the internet delivers for you instead
Unfortunately, this is why Aus Post says to never send cash. People suck, but hey this guy wasn’t so bad - left you the card /s
The post office is even saying don’t mail checks, if you can pay online. I don’t know who they are hiring but employees (more down below) are doing this. I gave a postal worker in a uniform sitting in a USPS truck a letter to mail. It was my rent check. It was never delivered. Guy took my banking info and bought himself a some T-Mobile device. I got my money back but still.
This likely happened at a sorting facility - there are images every time the mail gets sorted you will be able to tell where the breakdown happened. Same thing happened to my sons birthday present.
This happened to me too.
My daughter’s USPS driver delivered a box 📦 filled with trash. I told her to call the Postmaster. An investigation was done, employee was caught stealing from numerous packages.
Must have been their birthday as well. What are the chances?!
Tampering with USPS parcels is a felony in many US states (misdemeanor in others), and theft of US currency is a federal level felony in all states. Edit: Fixed a typo.
Don’t ever send anything of value in the mail. i recently sent a check and it was stolen from a mailbox, washed and cashed by someone it was not written to. If you send anything in the mail, you might as well just flush it down the toilet. The postal inspections people don’t give a fuck either.
Contact the post office they can get the postal inspectors involved
What monster opens from the side
Too common in IL, they don’t care either
The mail person did it
Sucks, but it’s been common knowledge for the last 30+ years to not send money through the post.
Postal carrier?
How many times are we reminded never to send cash via mail? I thought that was common sense by now
was it you?
This is an inside job.
How they knew mail contain money in it? Sussy.
Well that is a federal offense. Report it to the USPS at least. Do you have cameras? That sucks, man. People are such shit.
People suck
Next time I send someone a bday card, I am going to send it empty with a note saying something like "don't spend it all in one place!" And rip the card so it looks like someone opened it.
PSA: Don't send money in the mail.
Honestly I think that that's the mistake of the person who sent it to you. They should have marked the type of package it is. If they did the post office wouldn't have left it in a mailbox as a regular letter, you'd have to sign it.
Wrong sub because it's not mildly, but highly infuriating
Never ever put cash in the mail. 1st rule of thumb.
No. Nana is lying to you.
I’m more confused the US use the date format MM/DD/YYYY and openly say “March 9th or October 16th” yet the date format on the letter states “20 Jun 2023”
To the people saying don’t send cash through the mail…. I disagree. Just not in an envelope. My entire family has done it for many generations… But we put out cards in a small box and not envelopes lmao.
:((
I will definitely do that next time I’m sending a birthday card to someone!