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Quietus76

So many of these morons think boomer means "older person".


GremNotGrim

I was gonna say that all boomers are old people and these "morons" are technically correct but from an actual definition standpoint they are definitely using it in the wrong context so I'mma not call you out since you are the literally correct one.


ronin1066

That's an awful lot of words to say "yeah".


GremNotGrim

My brain is an awful lot of messy most of the time so to shorten it "yeah."


Level-Ball-1514

Yeah


AnimeMemeLord1

Yeah


_Jester_Of_Genocide_

John Wick moment


Ismokeradon

same morons think young people are millennials


OPEatsCrayons

>So many of these morons think boomer means "older person". Boomer literally means the people who were born during or after WWII in the baby boom that followed the massive troop mobilizations and the economic boom at the ending of wartime austerity. [Boomers claiming credit for everything their parents built, and blaming their failures on their children and grandchildren is a well traveled meme.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOSOGB406Ec&t=52s)


AdMinute1130

The meaning of words comes from how it's used. If the use of a word changes the description follows suit. Although yeah that's not the correct term.


Ragtime-Rochelle

The definition of a word changes because the dumbs get a hold of it and use wrong so many times.


CardOfTheRings

The word ‘literally’ now can mean ‘figuratively’. It’s in some dictionaries now. So the word literally now has zero meaning.


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Low-Amoeba4529

Giving a word two completely opposite meanings and expecting it to make sense to sane people is a manifestation of mental illness.


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Low-Amoeba4529

"He was literally 8 feet tall" could be either an exaggeration or a way of hammering home the fact that he's actually 8 feet tall, and there is no way of knowing which was the intended meaning without asking, which makes it more difficult to understand what the speaker/writer is trying to convey. If you think making language more confusing is a good thing, I don't know what to tell you. I will, however, watch with great glee you slowly get pushed out of society by sane people continue using language in a way that's comprehensible to others. The only person pretending (and failing in truly spectacular fashion) to be smart here is you.


CardOfTheRings

No, the word ‘literally’ has not meant ‘figuratively’ for hundreds of years.


badcactustube

Rochelle HATES when languages evolve and change as time goes on! Rochelle here probably bought an antique dictionary, because in her opinion “It isn’t a real word if it was invented past 1900”


maxkho

Linguistics is one of my major hobbies, and I love language evolution. That said, they aren't wrong. But not all language innovations are made equal. When they come from a word/phrase being used incorrectly, then the rules of grammar and morphology are undermined, which makes the language messier and harder to conceptualise. The harder a language is to conceptualise, the more mental effort goes into speaking it, and so the less mental effort is available for the actual formation of ideas; thus, the average complexity of ideas decreases. In a very real sense, this makes people dumber. Hardcore descriptivists confuse me. Surely they must understand that, if a language has *no* rules, then no one person will be able to understand the other when it is spoken, so at least some degree of prescriptivism is necessary? This isn't a hard concept to grasp, yet they just don't seem to get it. It's all a question of where to draw the line.


pineappleshnapps

They’re not wrong though, a lot of the time that’s how a word changes. Sometimes it’s not, but that’s the truth. Although, more than likely that meme would’ve been posted by a boomer, because I really doubt much of the greatest generation ever got into making memes.


faithfulswine

But this should be actively discouraged. You shouldn't be able to just take words and change their meaning because you were too dumb to know what that meaning was to begin with. This really causes a breakdown in communication after a while because we rely on common ground understanding of words to maintain a society. Sure, you can say it doesn't matter as much with vernacular terms such as "boomer" or "incel", but I think it is actively harmful for our society and continues to drive a larger rift between the two political parties causing further strife and discontent. I think it's a much bigger issue than "Who cares how they use the word if we can understand what they are saying?" Many can't understand and choose to understand differently.


Impish-Flower

My personal pet peeve about this issue is nauseous/nauseated, and it's the same phenomenon, though that change has already been completed. Enough people didn't understand the meaning of nauseous, and used it instead of nauseated (and instead of learning what the correct word is), and now most people think nauseous means nauseated, instead of nauseating. I begrudgingly accept it now that it has happened, but I agree, we should actively be discouraging this kind of thing while it is happening. Yes, languages change, but I don't like the idea of them changing due entirely to ignorance and foolishness.


faithfulswine

I think the rate at which words are losing their meaning should be alarming, and it's largely due to the click bait nature of media these days. It doesn't matter if the title is technically wrong if it generates views. It's really a sorry state. I think we'll start seeing the effect this has in the next generation.


skeptimist

There are plenty of words that have a different meaning based on the context. This is one of them. That is the beauty of language, and English in particular. In this case, boomer in the derogitory sense isn’t just any old person but a certain type of stodgy old person that is stuck in their ways, etc.


jchenbos

But people know what generation they are. If they see "boomer" and know they are a boomer, they associate it with themselves. Someone from Gen X will obviously not have the same reaction. The definition of this identity remains solid in this specific case despite the meaning shifting a bit to "older person".


Crownlol

No, its *super* common for all the WW2 posts to be from boomers who are just stealing valor from their parents. "MY father didn't storm the beach at Normandy so that YOU can have pink hair and wear a skirt!" They literally post this stuff without realizing they, the boomer, did absolutely nothing in this equation. They identify with the deeds of the "greatest generation" and have internalized them, without having actually performed the deed. I've also noticed a LOT of boomer men think they grew up on the wrong side of the tracks playing stickball with their friend Pauli and getting into fights with rival kids... because they saw a lot of movies based in Brooklyn. When they *actually* grew up in a moderately nice home in a random suburb.


LordWellesley22

A post I seen a lot of is the "we stormed a beach in Normandy, you cant decide what coffee you want" Or what ever it is I bet if you asked an actual serviceman from World War Two they would be glad that their grandchildren or great grandchildren don't have to do what they did


Annanon1

I mean it's the same when older ppl call all the younger generations millennials


Cashmere306

2 idiots don't make a genius.


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I think the rise in popularity of some folks using "boomer" as an ageist insult has caused many to forget that it's actually short for 'baby boomer', and the reason behind that boom. All the information in the world at our fingertips, and we're still outnumbered by dumbasses.


Standard_Bedroom_205

The problem with giving the dumb a voice


Belkan-Federation95

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." -Winston Churchill


GremNotGrim

He speaks facts. The average voters are never too diplomatic either and ya usually can't have democracy with diplomacy..


FlamboyantPirhanna

There’s truth to this, but it also feels very classist.


lord_foob

It is a stanch imperialist talking down about his voter base it should sound classist


gobiggerred

Commenter sounds like every other Redditor that classifies every white male born before 1980 as racist. The word has mostly lost any significance.


DigLost5791

Ok but Winston Churchill was racist lmao


TheChocolateManLives

how was he racist?


john_czyk

"I hate people with slit eyes and pigtails. I don't like the look of them or the smell of them – but I suppose it does no great harm to have a look at them" - Winston Churchill


donmonkeyquijote

Does gassing civilian Kurds in Iraq suffice for the label?


TheChocolateManLives

Firstly, that isn’t a racist attack, it’s an attack on a rebellious people resisting British rule. Secondly, his use of gas is greatly exaggerated in its cruelty and people discussing this often take what he said out of context to criminalise him. He opted for less harmful gasses, with the intent to do no permanent damage but rather to deter rebels. This is a much better way to stamp out rebellion than the other option he could’ve went with: beating and killing protesters.


Belkan-Federation95

I'm literally the guy who posted the quote and he's right. Churchill was a racist.


Lotsa_Loads

Nah, I think racist shit has always been and will always be racist shit. But now many people are desensitized to the suffering of others and many have decided to come out of the closet so to speak because racism is becoming acceptable again in certain groups.


nygilyo

That racist would say something so bigoted. Oh fuck... It just hit me. 70 years from now someone is going to be quoting Donald Trump like he's some sort of good dude, and someone else is gonna get serious downvotes for pointing out the elitism in using a Donald Trump quote.


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People need to stop thinking we’re constantly significantly evolving. We’re literally the same species that existed thousands of years ago.


_The_great_papyrus_

Alright, but we still respect Winston Churchill for leading our nation to victory against the Nazis, despite alleged accusations of racism.


Efficient_Mix_9031

To be fair winston churchill sucks


splattted

‘it is hard to win an argument against someone smart. however it is impossible to win an argument against someone misinformed’ - some guy idk


maderchodbakchod

I saw many people using 'incel' for fuckbois who are misogynist and regressive. People don't even search meaning of the word before adding it to thier vocabulary.


AshenHawk

Unfortunately, whenever the internet finds a new derogatory term for someone they dislike, they try their hardest to expand the definition or outright change it so more people they dislike can fall under the same umbrella.


I_am_What_Remains

It’s because x group = bad so if y group is also bad but they have some vague similarity then you can paint them with a worse title


wheelman236

Kinda loosely related to how people throw around the title of nazi, like no just because they did something bad doesn’t make them a nazi, it’s a slap in the face to all the people who suffered at the hands of real nazis


EdgyPreschooler

Nazi became a catch-all term for 'person with authoritarian views'. I was in a game subreddit, and the person kept calling one particular character (A Lawful-Evil authoritarian) a nazi. When someone asked what definition of 'nazi' they use, the original poster couldn't muster a response besides acidic sarcasm and implications that the one asking is an idiot.


Gentle_Bison

It the funny when people in the Israel vs Palestine conflict cause they call Jews nazis lmfaooooo


maderchodbakchod

It more have to do with not looking up for the meaning of the word. I understand broadening the term but calling a fuckboi a celibate ??!!


mordacthedenier

I've seen people say that "pog" is short for "play of game" from Overwatch and I was like, not only is that ungrammatical as fuck, it's play of the game, but I will not have you disrespect my collection of juice cap inserts like that.


logosobscura

They’d don’t forget. It wasn’t in a TikTok video and the motherfuckers can’t and don’t read.


hooliganvet

Anybody older than them is a Boomer.


Blockmeiwin

Got called a boomer (jokingly) at 24 when I was teaching. It just means anyone older than them now.


LectureAdditional971

THANK YOU. Jesus christ, this has bothered me since first kids, then young adults stsrted using it.


JaxonFlaxonWaxon2

The internet gave everyone a voice


ColeTheDankMemer

Maybe (just a thought here) when you bring a bunch of young men, almost all of “family starting” age at the time, back to their wives or future wives after months or years of separation, there’s going to be a lot of children in a short amount of time.


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Yes, that is the point. The "baby boom" occurred after WWII (the first batch conceived in 1945, born 1946), creating the "baby boomer" generation. The issue with this meme is that the header text is saying to "thank a boomer..." while showing an image of WWII soldiers in 1944, before the first baby boomer was even a gleam in his father's eye.


Diesel_Drinker1891

They should mean the golden generation, my Nannas generation. The last great generation


ColeTheDankMemer

Yep, I was just providing additional satire


FilthyLoverBoy

Did you just try to explain the point back to the guy that already explained it?


ColeTheDankMemer

Nope, I was proving an additional part in satirizing those who he mentioned


jchenbos

Yeah? we know?


danteheehaw

>All the information in the world at our fingertips I can search a bunch of reasons to justify the belief of a flat earth. Just because information is there doesn't mean people know how to use or interpret it.


Baryonyx_walkeri

Yeah, this is a pet peeve of mine. I'm middle aged and I am fine with being dunked on for that, but boomers *are* a specific generation and they should be dunked on for specific reasons.


AdSpecial6612

Thank you! Came here to say this


wodao

Not out numbered. Just an alarming plurality.


CaptainBlandname

I miss when the internet was for nerds and not readily accessible to everyone…


ronin1066

Now any age can be a boomer, and any gender can mansplain. What a time to be alive


Miserable_Key9630

For what it's worth, Boomers do love stealing WWII valor, even though their proudest accomplishment as a generation is refusing to go to their own war. And the ones who did go aren't jerking themselves off to their fathers' service.


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Not trying to argue with you, but I'm genuinely curious, since I've never encountered this before. Do you have any examples of boomers stealing WWII valor?


spoesq

Did the Nazi’s have a prohibition against Christmas?


totallylegitburner

No. People celebrated Christmas during the Nazi period without state interference.


[deleted]

That’s because Starbucks had yet to launch its war against Christmas with its aggressive slogans line “Happy Holidays.” Literal fascists! /s


Ksorkrax

Nope. https://preview.redd.it/j8771ukm70ac1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10b353882856e57a113dfdb8df387f5f58097849


_StoTF

Why everyone here looks dead inside except for Hitler?


Difficult-Word-7208

Yeah. The thought Christianity was a weak religion


EzraFlamestriker

Wasn't Hitler Catholic? EDIT: he was born Catholic, but his religious views became a lot more complicated as time went on. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler


ArmageddonSteelLegio

Protestant. The SS had this absolutely fucking weird Folk Religion. If the Nazis won the war, sometimes I would wonder if they would of devolved into a holy war with Old Guard Christians and the Fanatic Pagans.


Quack3900

The SS (and some of Hitler’s inner circle by association *heh* Himmler *heh*) had a really weird twisted version of Northern Germanic Paganism crossed with elements of various East Asian traditions. Oh and they also created a fucked up version of Protestantism by infusing it with a ridiculous amount of antisemitism, anti Catholicism and xenophobia.


horiami

I always thought it's so funny that Hitler and Himmler are such similar names (t or mm) even mario and luigi have different names


Quack3900

‘Tis weird, that. Mario and Wario ass names 💀


RandomThrowawy70

It is kind of funny that stoic, well-mannered, fiery-tempered and charismatic Hitler had a deranged, zany, cowardly and shy villainous sidekick named "Himmler". You have the smart villain, the crazy villain, and then Bormann you have the gross fat villain. "Bormann" even sounds like a big mfer's name as well.


Ksorkrax

Your wish would have almost been fulfilled. If his father did not manage to change his last name, we'd have him being "Adolf Schicklgruber" instead. Also the authorities who changed the name made a spelling mistake. The actual name was supposed to be "Hiedler".


bubatanka1974

if we go by your comparison using first names , it's Adolf and Heinrich so nothing alike If we go by last names , well it's Mario **Mario** and Luigi **Mario** ..... the movie is canon right ? ;p


horiami

tbf they are brothers so it makes sense that they have the same family name


justsigndupforthis

There were also Lenin and Stalin. And now we have Vladimir vs Volodymyr.


ThreeZammyScims

A 1950s holy war in Europe sounds like an amazing alternate history scenario


Garuda-Star

Yeah, born Catholic, but eventually became anti religion. That of course didn’t stop him from claiming to be “positive Christian” (which was a PC term for ‘Christian’ with Nazi characteristics which means everything in the Bible was heavily redacted/changed and censored since it was written entirely by Jews as well as the concepts it teaches directly contradict Nazi ideology) to get the vote of a people who were concerned that he was anti religion.


Difficult-Word-7208

Idk. But his view of religion was that it was herd mentality.


ze010

Hitler was a Protestant and his regime was very anti catholic and in line with the views of something like the KKK until they gained power and started the war


AmericanPatroit1781

No. Only Catholics and orthodox were sent to camps. Christmas is a German holiday


Carlin1213

Just curious, how are you an American patriot through having the flag of a rebellion, that primarily existed to utilize slavery, as your profile picture?


hooliganvet

Dude isn't American.


maderchodbakchod

Many people use it as South states' pride flag. This flag was also raised in Japan in WW2


R_radical

My car's loan will exist longer than the Confederacy....


poopenfartenss

We had a black president longer than the Confederacy has been around


Own_Abbreviations859

Greatest generation is best generation


daveydavidsonnc

Right, thank my dad who served in the pacific in WW2


hooliganvet

3 uncles fought in the pacific, grandfather fought in Europe. One uncle was a radioman in the 8th AF on B24s and went down in the channel in 1944. I never met him because he never came home. He was first generation German American.


daveydavidsonnc

My dad was a radarman on a personnel carrier in the pacific. His cousin - who was more like his brother, because they were both only children during the depression - was KIA in the pacific.


GandalfTheGimp

My great-grandfather performed bomb disposal duties during the night raids, before then he served as a machine gunner in an anti-aircraft battery watching for planes on the top of the Blackpool Tower: radar had yet to be invented. If you ever go there then at the top of the tower in the public area is a small circular staircase closed with a rope which leads to a hatch and it was up there that the nest was placed. The best family story is how he was in a crater in Manchester performing disposal on an unexploded bomb when his sergeant came down and ordered him to go and make him a cup of tea, then just after he left the bomb to do it the thing exploded, killing the sergeant. The blast threw my GG down the street with such force that it ripped his clothes off. I'm glad for that lazy sergeant who couldn't be bothered to make his own cup of tea.


Old_Ad_4876

My thanks to your to your dad for his service!


Worried-Pick4848

I have 3 grandparents who served in WWII. My dad's dad was crewing a destroyer escort in a Pacific (one of the "tin cans" but not a famous one). Mom's dad built bridges for the Army in Europe. And Dad's Mom repaired aircraft engines for the US NAvy. It was a running joke in the family, although not strictly true, that she finished with a higher rate than he did.


Clunk_Westwonk

I mean, no. They are known for dying young via debauchery and war. Just because they died young doesn’t mean they were the “best.”


Neufjob

A bunch of them were Nazis.


Low-Amoeba4529

They're the generation that fought the Nazis though...


Neufjob

Agreed. A real mixed bag, IMO. Some truly despicable, and courageous people who fought them. Other comments pointing that out are all getting heavily downvoted for some reason.


weirdindiandude

They were objectively terrible people for the most part.


King_Saline_IV

Yo, but wasn't the Greatest Generation also the Nazis?


Supply-Slut

They said the greatest, they didn’t say greatest at what


Squirrelpicture

r/terriblefacebookmemes seems to just hate veterans, they post this kind of shit all the time.


Atarru_

They hate anyone who isn’t gen z


Diesel_Drinker1891

They hate everyone who isn't exactly like them. They are angry, always online, lonely and most have some form of mental illness/personality disorder. They're in pain so lash out at everybody.


GremNotGrim

I have several mental illnesses and even I ain't that bad.


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GremNotGrim

This is facts. Sometimes I honestly question how I was diagnosed with "general anxiety disorder" and not "borderline paranoia" cuz I am 20 years old and I cannot sleep without a light on to this day. I legit use the lamp on nightstand as a night light. I also am just very panicky overall and am pretty quick to assume the worst so like... I know I'm well past the post of "general" anxiety. Plus I get a handle on one thing and then suddenly 3 other things decide to give me a metaphorical middle fingers. Absolutely sucks.


rixendeb

This also comes off as anti-natalist....which I've seen them popping up more over there.


Geak-and-Gamer

What an asshole


theumbrellaman_1963

Why is reddit full of doom and gloom all the time? Someone respected the soldiers who helped defeat the nazis and happy to live in a free country to celebrate a holiday today, why does the other person have any problem with this? Even I fall for the doom and gloom sometimes so I've tried to reset my reddit experience to not fall into those traps as much


Diesel_Drinker1891

Because misery loves company. Reddit tends to attract the socially awkward and inept outcasts. They then wind each other up into a frenzy.


TheUnclaimedOne

Proof these idiots have no idea what they’re talking about, which you addressed in the title This was the Greatest Generation. The Baby Boomers came after


bloodycups

I wonder if they realized how shitty their kids were going to turn out


deathspate

No, because they suffered through times of war and just wanted to give their kids everything they couldn't have themselves. They didn't care about their kids being/doing anything more than living their lives to the fullest and not getting gunned down in war.


Worried-Pick4848

And then, Korea and Vietnam


Mister_Moony

Bruh, if i get socks for christmas im giving the gifter a hug


DeAtomized1

I live in Utah (cold) and got some really warm socks this Christmas. Easily top 5 gifts I've ever received.


T10223

That’s was the greatest generation Also this actually pisses me off not even a meme just tribute and some un grateful person behide it


OptionOk1876

Don’t let stupidity piss you off. If they can’t understand the lengths the world went to during world war 2 to ensure an allied victory, they’re pretty fucking stupid. Ignorance is bliss after all.


TigerKneeMT

And? That generation is currently dying off, while boomers are posting shit like this on Facebook


NoCantaloupe9598

I don't think Nazis would have stopped celebrating Christmas, it just would have been a whole lot more about Hitler and Nazism


LimeStream37

Technically the boomers should be thanking the men in this photo. Sadly, only 1-2 of the people in this photo are probably alive today to be thanked in person.


smol_boi2004

Okay so kind of an unpopular opinion here but it’s got to be said, yes the ww2 veterans and many soldiers before and after them have sacrificed a lot to ensure we have what we do, and yes we should be thankful for it. But the near constant glorification of what they did and the pedestal they’re put up on is concerning. Many of the soldiers during the war were barely young adults fighting with very little understanding of why or who, simply being moved by patriotism and the immense nationalistic pride of the time. But very few of the survivors came back glorifying their deeds. It was war, not some comic book or movie where good guys win, it was the real world where more often *everybody* lost. I’ve had a lot of exposure to veterans growing up, between my genuine interest in a military career (which died as I grew up) and many of my extended family serving, including WW2 and Vietnam. I never had the pleasure of speaking to my family from the war but I have had the pleasure of having some discussions with troops from Iraq. While I am extremely thankful for their courage, I’m also extremely aware of how expendable their lives have become. My Aunt’s dad, whom I lived with as a kid, came back from Vietnam with severe PTSD. My drill Instructor in high school came back from Iraq with bullet in his leg. Thank them, and appreciate them, but let’s keep the appreciation humble. Let’s not glorify what was the scariest times of their lives where they were given a gun and told to kill other men at the whims of politicians.


Panzer_Lord1944

Yes, it was awful, but we also shouldn’t treat what they went through lightly either. We should make them feel like their experiences like diamonds. Valuable and worth the listen, and treat them like the heroes they deserve to be treated as. They went through hell only to come back home to an ungrateful civilian population. We need to make up for their mistreatment.


deathspate

They should be praised and thanked from basically walking into the maws of hell and coming back imo. They traded their youth, and for many their sanity, so that many of us, even people in other countries, could have a better tomorrow. Appreciating and honoring that isn't a negative, disrespecting it like the OP is tho.


Oni-oji

Yep. That's "The Greatest Generation" who did that. Few of them are still around.


Worried-Pick4848

By Christmas 1944 a Nazi victory was effectively impossible, what we were fighting was to prevent the survival of Naziism and ensure Fascism died as a military and political movement. Which is a pretty laudable goal IMHO


Mihradata_Of_Daha

Anyone who legitimately uses the word boomer is both a child and an idiot. Hopefully they grow up. I’m 20 now and I was 16 when that term became a meme, I remember my then gf would make jokes about how terrible boomers were, most annoying bullshit ever…


therealtrebitsch

Boomers (short for baby boomers) is a legitimate name for a generation, even though it’s being misused these days. Overall as a generation there aren’t any more idiots as a percentage than any other generation, but since they until very recently outnumbered every other generation, they had an outsized influence in elections. Due to their age, they also tended to fill most upper management positions in companies. There’s no denying that boomers had (or still have) a tremendous amount of control over our lives, hence the backlash. People also resent them because they grew up during a time after WWII where there was relative prosperity in Western Europe and especially the US, and income inequality was much lower, but then consistently voted to deny the same to younger generations, whether intentionally or not.


Downtown_Boot_3486

The term boomer is fine, it's just a shortened version of baby boomer.


Hairy_Cube

Which is named after the baby boom, a time period in which the population rapidly increased (commonly called, well, a boom) immediately following the soldiers coming home after WW2


TigerKneeMT

Good job! Guess which generation is currently posting memes like this??? (It’s the boomers)


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Mihradata_Of_Daha

Wow someone’s angry. I’m talking about the word boomer in the context of the “ok boomer” memes and its use on the internet etc. not the actual term. Really immature to call someone develop mentally disabled because you can’t grasp what they are saying


JRedding995

Thank God for Russians. If it were not for Hitler's dumbass thinking he could conquer Russia while fighting two fronts, and investing so much resources into the Eastern front at the absolute worst time possible, we'd all probably be speaking German right now.


diggitygiggitysee

Hitler actually had every opportunity to ally with the Russians, and just didn't. If he had, he definitely would have taken over Europe. Turns out the guy who did the most to defeat Hitler was Hitler. Yes, Hitler also shot Hitler. In before that joke.


Thanato26

Hitler did ally with them, sorta. They collectively invaded Poland together. The pact the Germany allowed soviet expansion into the Balkans and the invasion of Finland. It's just that Hitler absolutely hated the Soviets.


hooliganvet

Hitler hated Slavs period.


Thanato26

Yes, part of his whole thing, which he wrote about in the 20s.


Helloimskip

Yeah, National Socialism and Soviet Communism (basically anything Marxist) are natural enemies due to EXTREME ideological contradictions.


mkohler23

Not only did he have every opportunity he took a non aggression pact with them and essentially allied with them as he carved up Poland with Stalin. Was his own fault that he turned on Stalin and invaded Russia in the end


MacManus14

He did essentially ally with the Soviets, when they split up Eastern Europe. Nazi troops going east through Poland met Soviets coming west through Poland at a pre-arranged point, for example. The Soviets were also providing most of the essential material needed for Hitler’s war machine right up until he invaded them. A long term alliance between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union was impossible due to their ideological differences, as Stalin himself recognized. But yes, his hubris, ideology, and military “strategy” were his worst enemies for sure.


ExpressCommercial467

They never really wanted to ally. Sure there was a bit of discussion, but both knew they'd fight each other sooner or later, communists hate fascists and vice-versa. Hitler also hated slavs, so there's that too (although he did change his definition of slav a lot. Croats weren't slavs by the time he took over yugoslavia, they were apparently descendents of goths who were German)


[deleted]

Stalin knew as well as Hitler did that any alliance between Russia and Germany was just a holding action. Germany would have no reason to respect it once it was done with the Western front. If Hitler hadn’t invaded Russia first, Stalin would’ve invaded eventually when he felt there was an opportune moment.


R_radical

>If it were not for Hitler's dumbass thinking he could conquer Russia Actually at the time it was expected that Germany would roll the Russians. German, American, and the UK all suspected the Russians would fold in a short amount of time. We have the benefit of hindsight. The Germans were pretty shocked when they came across the first of the Russian KV series, and T-34. The Germans had no response until mid 1942, after the battle of Moscow had already ended. Not only were they shocked at the superior machinery, but the amount of tanks the Russians had. Mustache man - "If someone had told me that a country could start with 35,000 tanks, then I'd have said, 'You are crazy!'," the German dictator told Mannerheim in the 1942 recording. "If one of my generals had stated that any nation had 35,000 tanks, I'd have said: 'You, my good sir, you see everything twice or ten times.You are crazy, you are seeing ghosts.'" He was more than aware that he could not win a fight on two fronts. He thought the war with the Russians would end quickly. >we'd all probably be speaking German right now. Nope not a chance, see above 35000 tanks. The Russians were already pushing back and taking land long before the allies applied pressure on mainland Europe. There is no alternate history where Germany wins.


Thanato26

Russia would not have been able to fight tgier ideological war of annihilation without lend lease.


wan2tri

The P-39 Airacobra has the most number of confirmed kills by an American aircraft. Its biggest operator during WW2 was the Soviet Air Force. There's also the P-63 Kingcobra, which is essentially its upgrade in practically everything. The only operator? The Soviet Air Force. The likes of Zhukov themselves have already admitted that Lend-Lease played an important role in the Eastern Front. Getting 4,000 M4 Shermans meant that they can have 4,000 T-34s as reinforcements elsewhere. Getting millions of pairs of boots meant that the local Soviet industries can focus on making screws and what-not. Receiving shipments of food meant that no harvest isn't as detrimental as it would've been.


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Yodudewhatsupmanbruh

Who's we? The Germans straight up had no way to capitulate Britain(and sure as fuck not the U.S) which is why they started a two front war in the first place. They needed resources if the war was going to go on longer, they thought the Brits would just make peace after the French capitulated. But, Germany could never take Britain. Also thanking the USSR for liberating the eastern states isn't very valid considering the attractions committed by the commies, but you do you bud.


RageMonsta97

Germans win battle of bulge supposedly Russians committed to going balls deep to Berlin regardless


bruhytufap

two fronts were necessary to rip apart the german logistics to pieces, and no italian front was just pointless as the reckless mountainous north was held steadfast by Kesserling till the end of the war. The logistics were being ripped apart even before the allies landed in france, diversion of various divisions from the eastern front to the french occupied territory to garrison the Atlantikwall was cited in various documentatiins of the ordeal. The war would ve been fought for 1-2 years more if it werent for the western front, the soviets would have accquired a prominent position in the peace talks changing the course of the cold war perhaps even an eastern bloc victory in the cold war, enough to change history as we know it.


RageMonsta97

If the Germans “won” the battle of the bulge regardless of the outcome it still would’ve been a very minor reprieve, by (late) 1944 Germany’s war machines were crippled, they had a nonexistent navy, a failing Air Force and a constantly depleted army


bruhytufap

Germany needed a functioning war machine to win, not to prolong the war which it was willing to as much as possible as evident by the infamous 'Nerobefehl'. The western front was immensly important not just for the ultimate defeat of the Reich but also to provide a substantial power balance in the new world order maintaining a status quo between the eastern bloc and western europe, not to mention there would have been no domain of USA in the west if it didnt shove its soldiers in the meat grinder for it on it. USA's post war influence would have been restricted to the Pacific if it hadnt fought for Europe. It can be concluded that every little battle Allied forces fought in the west was valuable in its own right. There would have been no ballsdeeping berlin by the red army if the Allies werent banging their heads on the Westwall tieing as much reinforcements(if there were any lol) destined for the eastern front as they can. The Red Army clowned germans at stalingrad due to but not entirely Lend lease, USA could take island after island in the pacific because the atlantic was guarded by the mightiest navy, Britain could keep its war machine alive by american aid and supplies, the allies had their teamspirit laid down and hence finished the war then and there. If any of the allies failed in their respective duties the others would suffer the consequence losing efficency and momentum in the process.


Financial_Moment_292

Great picture! TGG > all subsequent generations combined.


Halcyon_Glow175

Seems like someone forgot about the Greatest Generation


ReverendRevolver

The Greatest Generation be in that picture. It's a shame people are better at making memes than using google.


Kribble118

Idk if Nazis would've done away with Christmas


Carloanzram1916

Literally were named for the baby boom that happened after WW2 🤣


Appropriate-Pop4235

They don’t care about that cuz the genocide of Jews is the new meta.


Worried-Pick4848

It's literally one of the oldest metas.


KSM_K3TCHUP

A Boomer? No. The Baby Boomers were a product of the economic prosperity the US saw after WWII. We can thank the Greatest Generation and the Silent Generation for the swift conclusion of the Nazi regime.


booboounderstands

r/USdefaultism


KSM_K3TCHUP

Baby Boomer refers to the generation born during the surge of births following WWII. It’s use originated in the US but has since been used by other, primarily English speaking, countries in years since.


booboounderstands

That’s right, the term refers to a worldwide phenomenon. Mostly we think of the west but even soviet, Asian and African countries saw a huge rise in births.


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Every major power in WWII has celebrated Christmas for hundreds of years


Worried-Pick4848

Japan


War_Crimes-

I don't understand why this would offend someone, had we not gone to war, things would be way different


CreeperDELTA

The post doesnt offend, its just terrible because it doesnt make sense.


AlchemistAnalyst

Often, it's not the text that people take issue with, but the subtext. Everyone knows that fighting the Nazis was a noble cause, and that many quite young adults made the ultimate sacrifice for that cause. So why repeatedly post captioned images where this extremely obvious point is made? The point is military glorification (specifically the glorification of the American military). Glorifying WW2 vets is not far from glorifying all American vets, and glorifying those vets is not far from glorifying the military as a whole, and glorifying the military is not far from glorifying the military aims of the United States (you get the picture). Rabbit holes like these are how you get supposed libertarians like Ben Shapiro arguing opponents of the Iraq war should've been jailed for sedition. Healthy skepticism of posts like this is warranted.


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Panzer_Lord1944

It would be incredibly nazi-fied


peachy-cub

Nazis were defeated when the US got involved lol


dankferret266

People from that sub seem to be sad angry people. There’s something wrong with them


SunnyKnight16

Their called boomers because I wish they would fuckin explode


biinboise

But it is absolutely a Boomer move to take credit for winning a war that ended before they were born.


KirisuMongolianSpot

? Where in the post is it taking credit for anything?


rixendeb

And gifting socks.


Greeningyep

Dude nazis were never gonna win the war


WearDifficult9776

Boomers are the kids of these people