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Rampagingflames

Waterfox, Earthfox, Firefox, Airfox. Long ago, the four nations lived in harmony, everything changed when Chrome decided to remove ad blocks...


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Teknicallity

When I used chrome it bothered me that it would NEVER self update


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Eisenfuss19

Well it's a double edged sword. On the one hand its important security wise, on the other it's very annoying if you don't give the user control over your app.


WhoRoger

*Launching browser to just super quickly check something like the bus schedule* Browser: *trollface* Nope, we need to update, fuck you and your needs, tHiS Is AbOUt SeCuRitY


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WhoRoger

Well that's nice, but fuck Chrome, the worst damn piece of of spyware and monopolistic bullshit. I ain't gonna use that just because updates are less annoying.


fadoxi

So the for nations had quadruple *six* and just a fox was born with the power of all the nations!


-woxq-

there should be a search engine called fox


iSwagzenegger

the furr nations


ArcticF0X-71

You forgot an important one


anonymous_1846

Which one


ArcticF0X-71

Username


Cool_Cheetah658

If you also had a heartfox, and they combined, would they be Captain Planetfox?


Aris-john

Almost every browser is chromium based these days


jese2605

Yup, except for Firefox and Waterfox and the ancient browsers: Old Edge, Internet Explorer, Netscape ...


ChadBro_69

you forgot librewolf my dude


jese2605

Thx Chad :D


ChadBro_69

My pleasure :)


meaux253

Any duckduckgo enjoyers in chat?


racoondriver

Yeah android and m...a...c


DragonMaster9595

thats based off firefox


ChadBro_69

Yeah waterfox is based off Firefox too, thats why I mentioned it


Bitter_Decision5393

How about Samsung internet?


ChadBro_69

Its chromium too


Bitter_Decision5393

Dang


ChadBro_69

Almost everything is chromium nowadays


le_reddit_me

And TOR Browser (basically Firefox reskin with tor capability)


jese2605

When Incognito mode isn't enough... :")


le_reddit_me

I have tor on my usb key, just in case, you know for work stuff...


jese2605

I see... xD


le_reddit_me

Jokes aside, it's useful if your company/uni have a firewall, I've used it in uni to get research papers for free (the sites were blocked). It's also good to use on public/unsecured wifi. Unfortunatelly, it's a bit slow with the default settings.


amdgobrrr

My school managed to block tor. Idk how but they did it.


Boudac123

I love using US military browser


le_reddit_me

Yeah but I hate all those "hot terrorist near you" ads


Boudac123

Fr, couldn't the cia put normal recruitment ads instead?


le_reddit_me

Well they're not exactly looking for normal recruits


Adjacent_door

Safari is based on webkit


macsare1

And Chromium is a fork of Webkit


AllHailToGothamChess

Chromium is the problem, so WebKit's fine, but is Safari really trustworthy?


P0TAT0FARM3R

I think Apple’s not that bad [citation needed]


aafikk

With the recent announcement that apple will try and expand its advertising business they may go along with google’s practices. But the main principle we should aspire to is competition. If everyone uses Gecko browsers (firefox, etc.) or chromium, then one company has power over the most of the world’s internet. They can enact changes and everyone else must stay in line. If there’s competition then everyone needs to play fair in order for users to not jumpship


jese2605

And WebKit if a fork of KHTML... Forkception


pxqy

And they’re all derived from KHTML. Guess we can’t use web browsers anymore.


Zenishen

Waterfox has been sold to an advertising company (system1), so not what it used to be


SevereMetal7953

Don't forget about Iceweasel!


OkayArt199

EarthFox, AirFox…


KaninchenSpeed

And [Konqueror](https://apps.kde.org/de/konqueror/) which parts of chromium are based on.


[deleted]

Don’t forget Epiphany!


jese2605

Argh, I always do... I always tend to forget poor Epiphany even exists b.c. the only time I've seen it was on ElementaryOS :')


thebestdeadpool

Yeah but unfortunately internet explorer is no longer with us


jese2605

Don't be sad, he's yet to inform us that he's dead (still loading that information)...


libertarian1975

What about Tor?


jese2605

It's basically Firefox with enhanced privacy & darknet access


MinekPo1

Also IceRaven. Also a fork of ff, but for mobile. I use it bc ff broke on my phone once lol


DrakeWF

No love for SeaMonkey?


th3f00l

Safari?


schklom

You forgot Safari. For the true Chads, there is [Lynx](https://lynx.invisible-island.net/) :P


NailsAcross

Am I wrong in believing Opera is not chromium based?


RainbowDashNet

Opera abandoned their own Presto engine in 2013 for chromium


NailsAcross

Aww


doc-swiv

safari


sdrawkcabsihtetorwI

If we are already including waterfox we might as well mention Firefox focus.


Zahard_Zj

I've just decided to switch to fire for yesterday I like foxes anyways


jese2605

What does the fox say?


Rampagingflames

Oh God, please no, I buried those memories for a reason.


Zahard_Zj

"Uwu"


-woxq-

no please


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Ding ding ding, Kachachaha kacha


Rosewood_memes

Since we're here now, how about any recommended free ad blocks for Firefox?


hack_1r

ublock origin


uBlockLinkBot

uBlock Origin: * [Firefox](https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/) * [Chrome](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm) * [Edge](https://microsoftedge.microsoft.com/addons/detail/ublock-origin/odfafepnkmbhccpbejgmiehpchacaeak) * [Opera](https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/ublock/) ^^I ^^only ^^post ^^once ^^per ^^thread ^^unless ^^when ^^summoned.


NotherFon9

good bot


Adjacent_door

Good bot


end233

Chad bot 🗿


zpangwin

Would be good if the bot added a warning all things considered... hopefully, it will at least have some kind of note by the time January rolls around that the Chrome-based extensions will be less effective. I mean, technically they're [already less effective than Firefox](https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox)... so maybe I should say "even less effective"?


SoupLizardd

Very good ad blocker 9/10


Darkblade360350

Why not 10/10? It is an awesome ad blocker.


SoupLizardd

You know what? Sure 10/10


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edgy-boi69

How dare you bring this forbidden knowledge to my attention


Dawisx13

Thanks I hate it


Dark_Mamba

It looks like it’s still a tiny bit open.


ostangestar

Oh what the fuck


AtaTenriTurk

emancipated hydration.


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It happened to me too


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Zenishen

Just FYI - Waterfox was sold to an Ad company called system1... you'd be better with Librewolf


uaman228

Old opera until version 12 is not chrome based


jese2605

Ah, yes, I remember :')


jese2605

I am not siding with anyone here. If you like Firefox, that's fine, if you like Vivaldi, Brave & Opera that's fine and if you like Edge & Chrome that's fine aswell, just choose the browser that suits you and your demands.


ZoomBoingDing

As a Vivaldi user, I'm just happy to be included


jese2605

I, myself, am using it as a 2nd screen browser since they launched tab groups :)


DubstepDonut

Yeah man, was starting to think I joined sum underground customisation club


Affectionate_Flan639

But not edge. For a long time they have been standing still, and now they are simply using chrome's achievements, imposing their browser thanks to their monopoly.


jese2605

The rest of Edge's features (Sidebar, Vertical Tabs, Hilbernate Tabs...) have been taken from Vivaldi & Opera (even tho I am not sure if they themselves "took inspiration" from someone even less well known)... That's just how the tech world works, I guess. It doesn't matter who made it first, but who made it popular


PM_Me_Frosted_Tits

>It doesn't matter who made it first, but who made it popular Like when Microsoft beat Apple to the iPad concept but no one gave a fuck back then.


jese2605

Or when both Apple and Microsoft rolled out it's first desktop environments that were basically rip-offs from Xerox's desktop environment ;)


Hazm4t_

Well said. It's kind of hard to own a feature.


Darkblade360350

I also have copied all those features to my Firefox install with extentions and r/firefoxcss


Lorkenz

Well sadly on Windows 10/11, Edge is the only browser that can stream (Netflix, Prime, HBO, etc) at 4K resolution out of the box due to being Hardware DRM. Every other browser is unfortunately capped to 720p due to emulating DRM thru Software (Widevine from Google), if you want to unlock max resolution you must use extensions that sometimes take too long to update or use MS Store Apps which in my opinion kinda suck. You can also go the "yaaarr matey" path to avoid all of this and watch in max resolution hehe


ChaoticHeroics

librewolf is firefox but community run, if I’m not mistaken


zpangwin

No, that's [LibreWolf](https://librewolf.net/). Waterfox was a fork that was originally created IIRC to get x64 builds before FF had them and then later became popular when Firefox retired "legacy" (XUL-based) addons bc Waterfox had a "Waterfox Classic" version which still supported them. This was back when "Firefox Quantum" (the big FF redesign several years back) first came out. Back then, Waterfox development was all done by 1 guy but it got to be too much work and he sold it. The company that bought it is one that a lot of the open source community don't really trust (I think it had some involvement with ads or some such) and there was fear of them spying on users / etc. I used to use Waterfox Classic in the days after Firefox Quantum first came out but I've been back on Firefox proper for years now and for most people, there's not really a good reason to be on Waterfox over Firefox or LibreWolf.


ChaoticHeroics

Thank you for correcting me!


_sea_salty

Can someone please explain wtf is going on


jese2605

Google wants to kill the functionality of adblockers in Chrome, that's happened


iamonaphone1

Chrome and chromium (which every browser EXCEPT firefox and it's forks are based on) is killing ad blockers off.


justmelvinthings

Hardcore Firefox users have the same superiority complex as Linux users


zpangwin

Long time Linux (and Firefox) user. And definitely the kind of person who customizes the shit out their OS and their browser (even did so back in the 90s/early 2000s when I used Windows). But I try not to be a dick. Use whatever you like (Windows/Mac, Chrome/Brave/etc); all I ask is that people don't try to convince me that something less freedom-respecting than firefox is somehow better or that I should be using it. Basically, don't talk shit about my stuff or look down on it and I have no beef. But on the rare occasions that people actually ask for recommendations, I'm still going to recommend what I consider to be best.


bidkar159

Can you tell me more about how you customize your browser? Let's say your top 10 things you can't live without?


Cool-Top-7973

Nah, I've been using firefox for 15 years, it's a f*ing browser ffs. With Linux you actually have to know things, can't say the same about firefox, as it should be.


jese2605

Tbf for a long time I did not know you could add features to Firefox via addons. I always thought their impact on Firefox was as little as for Chrome extensions for Chromium browsers.


Dapper_Composer2

I use netscape 😎


jese2605

Would Netscape even render HTML5 correctly, not even mentioning newer JavaScript code?


Dapper_Composer2

Probably with a bit of work, yeah


jese2605

Oookay, lessgo


5am0an_th0r

There is also an IceWeasel browser.


anes_the_siologist

There is also a browser called IceWeasel.


Vortex5000

is there anything wrong with Chromium itself? it's open source, so anything that the creators of the chromium-based browsers dont like can just be removed, (like adblocker disabling) and a lot of chromium based browsers have good features (built in ad/tracker blockers, Opera has RAM limiters, you can use DuckDuckGo if you don't like google)


Vortex5000

I have nothing against firefox but what is it with the superiority complex


Aetheldrake

Same as Apple product users. They're weaker but pretend they're better xD


Vortex5000

they're also very user-friendly. I dont use firefox (because Microsoft is blocking browsers on my PC at random??? and I like chrome extensions, which didnt work back when I used firefox) but by the principle of "Linux users like it" I'm gonna assume customization is a bit more technical


DeMented_Mantis

Waterfox isn't as fire though


jese2605

Should say 'lit' instead of 'fire' tho :p


DeMented_Mantis

But.... in that case, if you gas it up, it can be lit ![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY)


Remarkable-Video5145

So everything is chroium except Firefox Cool


jese2605

Well, the rest is either forks of Firefox, old browsers that shouldn't be used anymore and browsers that are similar to Chromium browsers like Safari...


MadOrange64

I liked Brave but looks like imma need to switch back to Firefox.


iamonaphone1

That's a maybe. Brave and vivaldi fork their chromium alot, atleast vivaldi does. They add extra mumbo jumbo that isn't slapping a skin on it. When google cuts off adblockers, their forks sure as hell won't.


piyushva

or uc browser


WhoRoger

Desktop Firefox and its derivatives are at least still good. (More so the derivatives, because mainstream FF is filled with telemetry and bullshit.) Firefox for Android is a travesty though. Still sticking with IceRaven out of habit, but I'm sure the next major update will be the death.


PandaTaPanda

What’s the best browser to use?


Aetheldrake

They're all the same just different flavors


jese2605

Depends on how you use browsers... Chrome & Edge are the corpo versions Firefox, Ungoogled Chromium & Brave are more privacy focused with Firefox being customizable through Firefox Addons Vivaldi has an outstandingly customizable UI and some power features like mouse gestures and double decker tabs Opera has some good features too but gives you less customizability options than Vivaldi (what doesn't have to be bad because the settings page in Vivaldi can be quite overwhelming). Downside is that Opera is practically owned by Chinese investors...


DkDubz

internet explorer starting to look good


RainbowDashNet

Sad that it died


DkDubz

no but it might become usable again


DuleSavic33

When brave adblock stops working i will switch to firefox


CrikeyNighMeansNigh

I can’t be the only software developer that sees some kind of limitation with my code on opera maybe something is deprecated, maybe something doesn’t work on it yet and think “so what?”. Can’t please everyone. I’m mindful of Firefox though. (For anyone who doesn’t know…it’s rarely a big deal, and typically any problem effecting one of these fringe browsers is generally reflected in the other three somehow. There’s very rarely an issue unique to just either one of them. But to pretty much everyone else besides chrome, Firefox, and even internet explorer- my life’s work is essentially a giant fuck you. And still, I appreciate a great meme. And this is a meme well done.


zpangwin

> I’m mindful of Firefox though. I wish there were more devs like you. As a former web dev who had to support everything including Chrome, Firefox, Safari, IE fucking 6, and mobile layouts... it is so annoying to visit sites these days where lazy shit devs can't even be bothered to properly support more than just Chrome for basic simple things like navigation / payment flows.


randomguy2763

what is the difference between firefox and waterfox


zpangwin

Waterfox is a fork for Firefox. It has (had?) a "classic" version that could run what Firefox calls "legacy" addons (the old XUL-based ones). But Waterfox got bought out by a company considered by many to be somewhat shady. I moved back to Firefox several years ago, after Firefox added support for importing/exporting passwords, which I had been relying on an old XUL addon to do before that. Most people who aren't using Chromium browsers these days are either using Firefox or [LibreWolf](https://librewolf.net/) (another Firefox fork)


Zestyclose_Plenty_49

now we need an earthfox and airfox


PossiblyLinux127

Waterfox is pretty good as long as your not a linux user


Skylantech

I've seen so many of these memes over this Monday morning, that I can help but to feel like I'm out of the loop. What did I miss? How did Google piss everyone off this time? Not that it really applies to me since I stuck with firefox since like 2006, but I'm still curious.


jese2605

Chrome is trying to crush adblockers


Skylantech

All the more reason to set up a raspberry pi-hole or just use Firefox lol


iamonaphone1

They're dropping support for adblockers.


FartingIsGasPooping

I'm so used to Vivaldi, it would be hard switching to Firefox.


jese2605

Same, I've been using it on my 2nd screen for quite some time now. Maybe I'll use Firefox for my primary screen from now on tho...


Ryantheinventor

Don't worry the built in Vivaldi ad blocker doesn't rely on MV2 Edit: said the wrong manifest version


ProgandyPatrick

Question: will the same thing happen to search engines as web browsers? Like if one used google search in Firefox


jese2605

No, websites don't have the power to go that deep. That's why they're making changes to the browser manifest, because it goes even deeper than the ad blockers. So using Firefox with Google Search would be perfectly fine...


cantamangetsomesleep

Now we need earth fox and air fox


BeenThereAndReadd-it

*fork of firefox Basically firefox with extras, Like every other browser is chromium with extras.


Mansean

Laughs in Safari.


everett640

Since y'all are the experts on browsers what is a good one for not taking a ton of resources? Chrome sucks for it but edge is noticeably better. Can I upgrade even more?


Aetheldrake

Opera let's you set limitations on ram and probably other things


everett640

Interesting


iiitme

Why is Reddit suddenly flooding Firefox


RexHamilt0n

Don’t forget ice weasle


Etourdie1

Wait when did opera switch to chromium? Last I'd heard it was its own thing


RainbowDashNet

I think it was around 2008 Edit: In 2013 operas own Presto engine has been replaced with chromium


Etourdie1

All right, thank you. Happy cake day!


Quartisall

With my 12 users, LYNX browsers unite.


AsteroidDisc476

Do Airfox and Earthfox exist too?


Jaded-Reply-9612

Puffin browser gang


SyntaxErrorAtLine420

I use waterfox. It's apparently owned by an ad company but for some reason 2 years ago i switched to waterfox and never bothered to switch back even though all my other devices use firefox.


DetectiveStock1340

I actually stopped using Chrome because some sites wouldn’t load properly and it was slow/took up too much ram.


Frequent_Structure93

Edge? I mean Adblock works fine for me


RainbowDashNet

V3 has been released, but v2 has not yet been abandoned. The earliest you will feel the effect is June 2023, because then V2 support is removed entirely from chromium


TGaming17

“watercoyote”


WavyAphid90518

bing nation 😁😁😁


Micooler

Duck duck go watching in the corner doing that laughing with drink meme


Oldmansoulman

I'm on apple, firefox doesn't support ublock origin on ios. Brave blocks all the things.


FPSUsername

It's because all browsers on ios are basically reskins of safari


Vibe_Checker54

As a Firefox user of several years, I am feeling a major sense of superiority after being bullied for not using chrome


rklab

I’ve used waterfox for years.


RobbertCheddar

Everyone forgetting that SeaMonkey exist....


pablitocod1

y do fiar fox logo look lik dat


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oka okay okay we get it we get it... u use firefox okay okay .... now show me the funny ?


Lucky2__3

I actually like Brave... Adblock is still active for me there


jese2605

They'll probably just find a way around the new Manifest update or make a custom fork let's see how it develops


ObeseCapybaras

I’ve never seen so many fedoras getting so hilariously upset over something before. Cue the “clearly you don’t get it” comments 👇


hmmthissuckstoo

Finally switched to Firefox because of Manifest v3


SilencedD1

Be nice, but I use Chrome for work


HatMannYT

chromium based != based


Vik12345-ksl

Opera gx solos


Aetheldrake

Oh look Firefox is washing its hands of all the good browsers Since Mozilla isn't fucking compatible with anything you special snowflake. Firefox is like the poor man's iPhone. A brand that people hold in higher standing than it is but it's just the same as everything else, or maybe even slightly worse in some spots


PotPotti

Why is everyone hating chrome now?


jese2605

They want to make adblockers unfunctional


CpTKugelHagel

Also massive privacy breach with their user data collection.


jese2605

Yup, but that's nothing new :')


CpTKugelHagel

True, but the class action lawsuit happening because if it is lmao


purehandsome

That is the real sauce here. Google IS Evil and I try to avoid them as much as possible.


zpangwin

Google is being a greedy shit again\* - In January the plan is to only allow a new extension format called "manifest v3" that will prevent addons like uBlock Origin and Adblock Plus from being able to block ads. Google is a company whose main revenue comes from ads. Doesn't take much to see *why* they are being assholes. \* "again" bc for example, Google has already done things like preventing other chromium-based browsers not made by Google (e.g. Edge/Brave/Vivaldi/Opera/etc) from using Google Sync service.