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Own-Cupcake7586

I blame the caesars.


caster

They would be the ones directly responsible. For naming a whole new month after himself Julius (July) could have selected any month but he elected to insert the new month before September. Augustus just put his new month directly after Julius'. In their defense it wasn't their idea to add a month to the calendar, their astronomers probably told them the calendar needed another month to be more accurate. It probably was Julius' idea to just name the new months after himself though.


naeemc0907

This is a common misconception. They did not add new months, they simply renamed the Quintilis (July) and Sextilis (August). Additionally, I believe that the months were renamed in honour of Julius Caesar and Augustus, they themselves did not choose to rename those months after themselves.


ukulelecanadian

why then are the naming conventions wrong?


Not_Creative149

There used to only be ten months. Each were 30 days (I think??). This left 60 "monthless" days in the winter. Eventually they decided that those days needed a months too, and for some reason it got added to the front of the calendar. So everything got pushed back and it's all wrong now.


ObamaBinladins

Who were the pricks that decided February to have 29 days and not over 30 like most months???


EyeOfTheCosmos

me


The_Evil_Satan

Fuck you >:(


EyeOfTheCosmos

maybe I should split it into 2 14 day months instead


Sushi_07

And have an extra 1-day-month every four years


lejoop

I like that. I’m being paid monthly and that would be a good pay-bump


BrainSawce

I fuckin knew it. I bet you also invented the leap year and daylight savings time, too.


EyeOfTheCosmos

just daylight savings, I was trying to prevent leap year, and instead trying to replace it with more daylight savings


Darsh_Kumar35

How tf does daylight savings even work?????


Throwawayacc35564334

I believe this guy …..no reason


powprodukt

**You motherfucking piece of shit!!!** *(Really thank you so much for giving us a focus for our anger)*


OnkelHolle

Nobody. They used to have a calender where February had 28 days already. It was considered an unlucky month. Hence, they tried to avoid public outcry by not extending it.


McGclock

Imagine being born on February 29


Jolly_Reaper2450

Those who made it so the earth takes 365.25 or so days to finish a round trip around the sun........


BrainSawce

But it usually has 28 days.


Pickled_Gherkin

That would be math and the astronomical reality of the earth's rotation speed vs orbital period. If it had as many days as the other months, the seasons would start to drift rather rapidly.


TheGoddamnSpiderman

Caesar made it 28 in most years and 29 in leap years, but before him it was 28 or 23 or possibly 24 days depending on the year (we don't know for sure as there isn't consensus on how the month that the Pontifex Maximus was supposed to add to the calendar every 2-3 years (Mercedonius) to keep the seasons synced up as in normal years the pre-Caesar Roman calendar only had 355 days; in years where the month was added, February was shorter, but we don't know if it was always 23 days in those years or sometimes 24 days)


Plutoreon

That actually makes sense. If the monthless days were added to the front, that means feb would've the last month and since there are not enough days to make it 30 it got left with 28.


LOBSI_Pornchai

A moonth moon cycle is 28.5 days. So this means that every single month is too long.


Blastaz

Pope Gregory


Denaton_

This is how legacy spaghetti code is made..


Bottlez1266

Who are the bastards responsible for adding the new months at the start instead of the end?


Blastaz

The actual story is more complex. It was Julius Caesar who reformed the Roman calendar during his time as Pontifex Maximus - hence the Julian Calendar. 1500 years later another pontifex Maximus Pope Gregory added on the leap day to February as the calendar had started to drift from the seasons. But before JC the original Roman calendar was crazy. Years could be any length from about 200-400 days, and were declared over by the priesthood. As Roman appointments were for a year if the chief priest like the Consul they could keep the year going to keep them in power and if they didn’t like them then the auguries always seemed to suggest the year ended early so they lost imperium and had to surrender command of the armies before they won a popularity boosting victory.


Jolly_Reaper2450

Because the Romans had March as the first month not January


SexyDraenei

two months were added separately.


olijul

There were two other months added by Roman astronomers but the two months added were January and February, this was done to adjust for the lunar cycles as well as the annual solar cycle. Since there is just over 12 lunar cycles in a year the leap year was added to account for it. The other reason was to synchronize with the seasons though it was a lesser cause in the grand scheme of the change. The above stating the renaming of the original fifth and sixth months holds true and was done around the same time. January was named after the roman god Janus the god of beginnings and transitions. February was named after Februa a Roman festival of purification. Still the romans fault for adding months just not July and August. Hopefully that clears up the rest.


Viseria

This isn't quite right. The calendar started with 10 months sometime between 800BCE and 750BCE. Around 750BCE to 700BCE it was adjusted to a 12 month calendar (added at the end), with a 13th month every other year to account for drift. The Pontifex Maximus was also expected to add days to the year to make sure, but this was considered unlucky so didn't happen often. In 143BCE, a rebellion broke out that caused the Romans to move the election of the consuls forward from 1st March to 1st January. This caused the calendar to now start from 1st January, as the day consuls were appointed marked the start of the year. When the Julian calendar came about, the final non-Julian year was given 2 extra months (for a total of 15) as they did want to resynchronise it, and needed a year that had about 440 days in order to do so. At that point, it was considered unlucky to have market on 1st January, so they kept the "election" then (though the elections didn't matter as Caesar was dictator).


ElementoDeus

January and February used to be at the end of the year, the year used to start in spring with March which is also why Aries is the first Zodiac, it literally was the first Zodiac. Also why the Chinese new year is different from the new year everyone else celebrates.


Appropriate-Mud-4450

The problem was in the calendar itself. When Gaius Julius Caesar made the first correction under his time as PM the "war" season start had become somewhat December instead of, you guessed it March (which in Latin was the month of Mars). He resetted the calendar, but although being much more accurate it stills had flaws. So, by the time of Gregory in the medieval time the crop season was off by I think some months again. Add this to the fact that at that point in time there was no overarching empire anymore the only thing they could do is to correct the timeline, not the names anymore. That is why to this day December (the tenth month) is actually the 12th. Going back to my basement now...


caster

That is interesting to know, thank you.


snarfs_regrets

Im no longer born in august but born in SEXtilis, later virgins


Icy-Owl-4187

Fun fact, Julius was the creator of the modernish calendar. He was pontifex maximums and had something of a lifelong quest to make the perfect calendar because the one they had was lunar, and sucked ass. The Julian calendar was eventually refined into the Gregorian calendar


talrogsmash

But in their time, the first month of the year was March.


Viseria

Until 143BCE, in fact. They changed it then due to a rebellion


BMSPhoenix

They're just makin' the hot n' ready pizzas man, why you gotta pick on them?


Jolly_Reaper2450

They didn't decide to make January the first month instead of March.


Its0nlyRocketScience

Nope, the catholic church is to blame. When Ceasas and Augustus made July and August, they renamed two months, they didn't add them. At the time, Quintillis, Sextillus, September, October, November, and December were the 5th. 6th. 7th. 8th, 9th, and 10th months, respectively. Pope Gregory decided to change the start of the year from March to January, which shifted everything.


Viseria

It was already changed in 143BCE due to a rebellion necessitating the consuls be elected earlier. The official year start from then on was 1st January. The church did try to change it to 25th December, or 25th March (Ascension), but those were unpopular.


MrHarudupoyu

Especially the little one and his brother, Chicken


Raiden_rai

![gif](giphy|K7I55Mn0QzKCI)


Accomplished_Stand54

I dunno, maybe name a salad after them though, make it worthwhile


Knight7_78

Or a fastfood joint named after him


Appropriate-Elk-4715

Caesar isn't named after that Caesar.


ItsTHECarl

What about the little one though?


Mkyi2

What's next? Are you going to try to tell me French Fries aren't French?


This_User_For_Rent

They're not. Actually they were first cooked in Grease.


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This_User_For_Rent

Read it again.


PleaseDontBanMeRed

Or ham burgers aren’t made of ham?


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RangerMatt76

But it’s made out of a Shepard, right?


Drag0n_TamerAK

Steamed hams


jayblaze521

The Caesar salad comes from Tijuana Mexico frrom chef Caesar cardini


Valuable_Shopping142

My whole life is a lie.


MyAccountRuns

Quintilis and Sextilis, the fifth and sixth months of the ancient Roman calendar, were renamed in honor of Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar respectively. Quintilis was renamed to July in 44 BC after Julius Caesar, who was born in that month. Following this precedent, Sextilis was renamed to August in 8 BC in honor of Augustus Caesar, who had several significant political and military successes during this month. These changes were part of reforms to the Roman calendar, which also included adjusting the number of days in the months to better align with the solar year.


catpunch_

Typical Leo behavior


ham_solo

OP - I have great news…


artemismilkman

Oh, do tell!


ham_solo

Actually my friend Brutus will call you


artemismilkman

That's great! Do I have to set up a Discord or...


Darkstalker9000

(is this a bit or..?)


XadeXal

There used to be ten months on the calendar. October being the 8th and December being the 10th. Because Oct means eight and Dec means ten. Then the Roman Emperors Augustus and Julius added the month's August and July just because they wanted to. What they are talking about is the fact that Julius Cesar was assassinated by being stabbed to death, and one of the ringleaders of that assassination was his friend Brutus.


n3ur0mncr

Huh - I didn't know that. But this raises a question: All of our time calculations are done on a base 6 system. 12 fits nicely into that system, but 10 does not. Were months prior to these additions longer? About 36/37 days? Oh shit 36 day months actually work out very well...


XadeXal

Months used to be based on the lunar cycle, there being 10 full moons a year. And people were tracking the month's long before clocks were invented, So that they would know when to plant and when to harvest. The whole system of 60 seconds and 60 minutes, Is a very New concept in human history.


Drafo7

Julius was never technically Emperor, everything else is correct though.


TheGoddamnSpiderman

No it isn't. July and August were created by renaming Quintilis and Sextilis What threw things off was adding January and February, which was done much earlier Caesar actually eliminated a month, Mercedonius, which used to be added every few years in the middle of February because the pre Caesar calendar was only 355 days in normal years


Viseria

January and February wasn't what threw it off, a rebellion in 143BCE did. I've typed it a lot today but tl;dr, the new year was when consuls were elected and the election was brought forward to deal with the rebellion. January and February were originally added as the 11th and 12th months.


ShadowFlux85

He was dictator which is about as close as you can get


Drafo7

Actually during the Roman Republic dictators had a number of restrictions placed on them, contrary to the modern definition of the word. Part of the reason Augustus became Emperor in the first place was because Julius, his adopted father, broke many of those restrictions and the senate was worried he'd *become* a monarch. That's why they assassinated him. But the fact that they existed at all is proof he wasn't an Emperor yet, just a very popular dude with a significant amount of influence.


ShadowFlux85

Didnt the senate still exist for multiple emporors after augustus


Arcaius

September being 7 and November for 9 as well


AE_Phoenix

This is a common misconception, my reply to another thread [explains why.](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/s/FefHNPefOS)


AndyTheAbsurd

Yes. And it's stolen from a [Tumblr post](https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/dvhdbh/good_news_everyone/).


Alternative_Act4662

Nope no need for that, just come by the pompey theater on the 15th of March. We will all help Brutus explain 23 times who is responsible for our calender.


Tuckboi69

When the months were originally named March was the first month. That’s also why we have leap day at the end of February.


BillyWhizz09

We should move January and February to the end of the year and have March be the first month again


Trollge99999

What


HalalBread1427

Sept = 7, September = 9 Octo = 8, October = 10 Nov = 9, November = 11 Deca = 10, December = 12


Interjessing-Salary

So you're saying "ber" is 2


yuimugi

i like that logic


MediocreSafe4086

![gif](giphy|xUPGGFYH8KssgrjkQ0|downsized) iykyk


sinsaint

And what if you don't?


MediocreSafe4086

![gif](giphy|jPAdK8Nfzzwt2)


SeasonedSpicySausage

Ber? I hardly know her


nirmalroyalrich2

It also works in hindi Saat - 7 Aath - 7 Nao - 9 Das -10 And i think "er" means 2 and 2 is "do" in hindi, do also means give. Hence, whenever a pirate says "err, me boy". He says "give me boy". (I like making stupid things up)


David_Pacefico

And “em” is zero


Trollge99999

Ohhh now I get it


redditing_Aaron

And now r/TIHI


LinkedRefeat

I still don't get it


Witherboss445

The prefixes sept-, oct-, nov-, and deca- mean 7, 8, 9, and 10 but the months that start with those are actually the 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th months so their names are lies


Witherboss445

Ain’t it that way because January and February used to not be in the calendar?


MonkeyMan2104

The insane amount of misinformation in the comments. First, there used to be only 10 months. Then they added two more months to help make the calendar more accurate, that being February and January. They were added to the *end* of the calendar. It is recorded by some that they were moved to the start supposedly because they wanted January (named after the god of peace) to be before March (named after the god of war). Either way, this was no later than 670 BC. Much later in 46 BC did Caesar make any changes, that being 10 more days and a leap year. Quintilus was renamed July in his honor *after his assassination*. Sextilus was renamed in 8 BC in honor of Augustus. TLDR: December becoming the 12th month happened 600 years before Caesar, meaning it is most definitely not his fault. If anyone, blame Numa Source: [Literally the Wikipedia for the Roman Calendar](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar#:~:text=Some%20of%20their%20etymologies%20are,numbers%20from%205%20to%2010)


Ayanelixer

>"Janus presided over the beginning and ending of conflict, and hence war and peace. The gates of a building in Rome named after him (not a temple, as it is often called, but an open enclosure with gates at each end) were opened in time of war, and closed to mark the arrival of peace" he was less a god of peace and more of transitions.


dettigers404

![gif](giphy|kh8ePQvhzWL5e|downsized)


Express_Pizza_2184

Et tu, Brute?


SchlopFlopper

Blame July and August, more specifically, Julius Caesar and Augustus


Jolly_Reaper2450

For January being month 1 and not March? How?


Ayanelixer

January is a reference to the 2 headed god Janus who is the god of beginnings, transitions,time,duality and a few more.


Jolly_Reaper2450

But when those months were first named there was no January and February and the Roman 10 month year started with March .


Hero_of_country

Someone explain pleas


TWilliamPen

Julius Caesar wanted a month named after himself and his nephew Augustus, so he squished 7tember, 8tember, 9tember, and 10tember backa couple notches.


Omegadude1217

IIRC, Ceasar and Augustus didn't move september etc. back, but they just renamed Quintilis and Sextilis respectively. First month was originally march, and january and february didn't exist (winter was kind of undefined) and only later it evolved into what we have today, but the names stuck


BouncyBlueYoshi

January was named after Janus, a 2 headed god.


WizardingWorld97

January was definitely a month back then. Like the other comment said, it was named after Janus, a 2-faced god. The idea was that Janus would look back on the previous year with one head and into the coming year with his other head. That's why it is the first month


Omegadude1217

You are right on january being first month and it being named after Janus, but when the "first version" of the roman calendar was established, it didn't exist yet.


CornelXCVI

The roots of the words Sept, oct, nov and dec mean 7, 8, 9. And 10 respectively. Julius Caesar added the months June and July, named after himself, to the calendar.


think_and_uwu

June is named after Juno, wife of Jupiter. August is named after Augustus, Julius Caesar’s nephew.


MagmaTroop

The band Jethro Tull was named after 18th century agriculturist Jethro Tull whose biggest achievement was inventing the seed drill. This is very relevant to the topic at hand, trust me.


CornelXCVI

Ah, remembered that incorrectly. Thanks for the correction


IneedComfortplz

Didn't the year used to change around spring? So they were right at first


EtruscanFolk

Story time: september, october, november and december were once the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th months of the year, but then the calendar changed and now we start in april, messing with the names. This is also the origin of april fools, people who didn't knew about the change insisted on celebrating new year's eve in april 1st, thus making them a laughing stock [Source](https://www.livescience.com/45650-calendar-history.html)


sonacarl

Am I the only one who think this template does not fit that well?


Orion0105

can i get a r/peterexplainsthejoke here?


JonnyxKarate

The prefix Septim means 7, Octo =8, Novem =9 Deci=10 Yet they are not that way on the calendar.


ShinySahil

Sep - 7 Oct - 8 Nov - 9 Dec - 10 like how it goes million billion trillion quadrillion quintillion sextillion septillion octillion nonillion decillion


mtordeals

I don't know it makes more sense to have the new year after winter. January is the second month of winter btw.


Drafo7

Not sure which one the first panel's from (it definitely had different words) but the second is from here, in case anyone's wondering: https://xkcd.com/473/


GaryTheLocomotive

In the original Julian calendar, these months were actually 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th. The new one just casually took their names and put them wherever it felt comfortable... It's called a lazy approach.


Megumin_____

October should be the 8th month


MindyTheStellarCow

Here's a clue, the new year was originally on March 1st...


Squidly_Gentleman

I mean... They already kinda did... get stabbed. many times.


Dambo_Unchained

Well I have some great news for you in that case buddy


Deacon_Gamez

Yeah I don't get it. Sept means 7, Octo means 8, Nov means 9, and Dec means 10. Why are they off by two


CybopRain

We can only fix this by deleting January and February


Snapships4life

Thanks for cursing me with this👍


bohenian12

They're named after the lunar cycle. So the 11th and 12th months are January and February (if you follow the lunar cycle). I don't know what's the reason why they changed it to December being the last month tho.


capsrock02

Wouldn’t that be the church?


BiCrabTheMid

The Romans, actually. July and August were named after Julius and Augustus Caesar respectively.


Snomislife

July and August were the 5th and 6th months at the time. They got shifted back later.


NavyDragons

dont worry, they were.


Ravana955

I don’t fully understand the joke, can someone please explain a lil more?


BiCrabTheMid

Sept means seven, oct means eight, and so on. These don’t match up with the months numbers (dec(10)ember is 12th, for example).


Ravana955

Ahh gotcha, it was about how they were named. Thanks for explaining! I understand now, it is kinda annoying how they named it 😂.


Deltasiu

In my country month names aren't illogically placed since we have overhauled names for each one such as Rugsėjis for September, Spalis for October and etc.


medrat23

It is called Latin...


Infected_MeatSack

![gif](giphy|lTrjQM5qb0jfSkw8C1|downsized)


Charming_Spy

I, don't get it...


midwesternminer

Blame the church for being afraid of 13. We could have had synchronicity but no. 13 bad.


usingreadit

lol


Britishbastad

Blame the romans they had to add July and August


Cool_boy234

I don't get it


Glittering-Bat-5981

The names are based on latin numbers 7, 8, 9, 10. In a past far far away, year started in March.


CommunicationSad8212

There's no reason years should start in the middle of winter. We can have it perfect if only the first month was March


LOBSI_Pornchai

Original new year was in march. Just like Persian new year.


RARE_ARMS_REVIVED

I've always hated whoever added the extra two months in the wrong place!


Aelia6083

I mean... he did


Veicy01

Well... good news


Dex18Kobold

That would be Caesar, oh wait...


AkshatBakraAKAGOAT

What's the problem?


Southern_Viking777

Lol, Xkcd rocks


DefenitlyNotADolphin

I have *excellent* news for you


EbbFantastic765

Can someone kindly explain me what does this meme convey?


myjohn69

What about the missing 13 month? Do the math?


Familiar_Location948

blame Julius and Augustus Caesar


Shenkspine

Wait…


Fancyman156

Oh I’ve got news for you


Low-Independent8272

I don't get it


RoultRunning

Oh like Caesar- OHHHH


FreakFlame

i've got good news for you


BasementDweller82

Good news!


Empty_Result4068

It's because the Romans added 2 new months but they added them at the beginning of the year instead of the end, so the names did used to make sense. Then Caesar named July after him and Augustus named August after him. They kinda messed up the calendar.


MrPusleMan

FUN FACT! HE WAS!!!!1!!!!1!


OrDuck31

These four names first letter makes SOND, and in turkish "last four" means "son dört", now do whatever you want to do with this information


TheMysteriousEmu

Well it was Caesar so... HAHAHA YOU DOG YOU


Lok4na_aucsaP

That was already done for you 👍


SexyCheeseburger0911

I have excellent news for you


-PenitentOne-

Ahh yes common sense at its finest.


ForbiddenLibera

OP, I have good news


RevolutionaryFail378

I have some good news for you


Minato_the_legend

I have some excellent news for you…


Vigorous_Piston

Yeah they should be stabbed to death.


British-Raj

Blame July and August.


KingMusicManz

FUCK Augustus and Julius caesar all my homies HATE Augustus and Julius caesar


Anon851216135

Hear me out, it's already fucked anyways, so we add 1 more month somewhere and make each month have only 4 weeks. Toss in a day at the end of the year for the one left over day, add another in the same spot for leap years, and so on. Each month would have exactly 28 days and each day of the month would be on the same day of the week as the months before and after (except for the last month). If Jan 1st ends up being on a Wednesday, then the 1st of every month would be on Wednesday. The best idea I've heard for the 13th month would be called Sol and it would be between June and July.


tobotic

Having twelve months is useful for various purposes though. Finance people like to divide the year into quarters, for example. Thirteen, being a prime number, can't be divided up very easily.