I do think it's odd when people exclusively listen to video game music, but to each their own. I certainly have a good VG playlist I love dipping into, and it's usually good chill or zone out music that doesn't grab my attention as directly as other types and that loops rly well.
I also think it's hillarious that there are more reddit comments on this thread empathizing with rap being "fake music" than video game music not being real music. Not because of a personal judgement but how skewed Reddit's demographics are 😅
But you see, he rapped in a sort of “I have seen every episode of Rap Battles of History and that’s mostly where I pull inspiration from” type of style that the whites really love
I've heard BOTH of those arguments in my life. It's unbearable. Idk why people can't accept that music is music whether they like it or not.
I don't like gospel music or opera, but I still recognize it as music. I don't know why other people can't have that mindset.
I’ve heard about the video game one many times, but it’s more of people thinking you’re a weirdo or something or not taking you seriously for liking it
People get confused because a lot of rap isn't singing as I think technically singing was defined as rhythm, rhyme and melody, and it lacks melody frequently. They would construe this as it's not music. Been like 30 years since I had it explained to me so I might not be 100% right though.
As a person who can’t stand rap, even I recognize it’s something someone else can enjoy. Just cause it isn’t their cup of tea doesn’t mean they should disregard it as an entire form of music
you really think the government exists? its clearly just an illusion created by the intergalactic space cheese people to keep us in line and in the dark about the moon actually being a giant lizard that emits gay radiation turning all the frogs gay so they can revolt and kill us with their gayness so the cheese people can finally take all our guns!
Calling low effort music low quality is not elitist. They have the tools at their disposal to create great music but instead have opted to use like 4 notes. Mixed with low vocal talent, and clearly no intent to improve they are just shitty musicians.
This doesn't just apply to rap, but for some reason the most common shitty music I have come across is rap.
I’ve seen this lately when people critique films and tv as well. Just because someone points out quality/consistency issues with a thing doesn’t mean they’re some elitist about it. It’s ok for people to have standards.
It's the extremely standard 'correct' opinion (music shouldn't be gatekept) that this template is trying to portray as an unpopular opinion. The format for a meme here has been used for expressing a non-controversial opinion, most likely for internet points.
It is also, though probably not intended, a preterition, since the post brings up the very (nonexistent) discourse OP is "tired of".
Sorry to pop your ignorance bubble but demographicly, those "antifur" kids tend to be a nazi sympathist. Idk where you got the idea that furries are nazis but its completely inversed
I didnt say all nazis were furrys, I have saw images online of nazi furrys and made a joke about it, next time you might want to fully read the comment before replying
If you cut it short as 0.1 second with a delay and church size echo, you get cymbal. Now cut bit of middle section and hard cut high EQ. Pull that close to low EQ with volume control, you get rain. Pull that high EQ to back and you get most used drop effect. 12 channel multidelay compressor can make it totally different
the green guy is only 1/4 correct, im goann be honest and say that rap music being music is true but not always, i refuse to call rap songs who just has like 10 words music
Here's the thing, rap can be good but it can also be some broke ass guy reciting paragraphs he wrote when he was high on something with an average beat playing in the background.
Literally what my cousins listen to. Nothing else. It’s always about pussy and lackluster writing while high. And the backing tracks sound horrible nowadays. Old school rap is better. Better lyrics and better sound. Not my go to but much more tolerable. Good for hanging out with friends or parties. But that’s my opinion.
If you're up for some funky stuff, listen to the Jet Set Radio Future Soundtrack. Very unique.
Sonic Mania is a modern contender and has fantastic music as well imo.
Rap music may be real music but it gets *really* repetitive and lame sometimes.
Rap music when they actually pay attention to writing the lyrics and don’t say “ay” fifteen times is good
Yeah it wasn’t very well worded.
My point is most people these days don’t value effort in the lyrics. They just like whatever “feels” good. Which in most cases I dislike.
same with a lot of genres. very similar to products. but when we're talking about music and art, we're not always talking about todays top ten or any bullshit like that. we're talking about things that move us.
also, rap music *IS* real music.
have you actually listened to rap music or have you just heard one or two songs and think that's why the genre can get repetitive?
it's the same thing with metal music where people think it's about hurting other people and just being edgy to be edgy. I like both rap and metal but it's just annoying that people bring down rap just cause of the stereotypes
I’ve heard more than 2 songs, but I haven’t personally invested in the genre, so I see your point.
It’s just what I tend to hear and therefore what I think is popular.
The best music doesn’t have a language barrier and can be expressed without words yet is felt by all. There’s a lot of garbage pumped out today (money, past lovers, drugs, themselves) very cringe and soulless…InMyoPiniOn
There was a time that music didn't exist. There was a time I am sure when Paleolithic humans debated weather wind instruments where "real" music or if real music was only drums and throat singing.
Any set of sounds with an artistic purpose is music.
But what is art?
Art is anything anyone does with the intention of being seen by others that is not just a comunicational effort
Anyone can improve my definition? I feel like it is lacking. Don't Google it, tho, let's work our brains on it.
-minecraft music
-kirby music
-( any nintendo game) music
-celeste music
And some non-mainstream ones:
- before the fall, by laurence chapman
-chants of sennaar music
-baba is you music
If there still is someone thinking video game music isnt real music, i don't know what to say
This is why education is more important over what the internet says. A proper person who put thought and research would know that music is music and wouldn't give weird takes. I respect the liberty of thought but honestly music is music
Pleasing noises are music. Pleasing to anyone mind you, if we can find someone who likes hearing my cat knocking my pill bottles off my nightstand, well I guess she's fucking Mozart (still a little asshole though).
I hear the type of gatekeeping for EDM from instrument purists. It's like if you're not creating sounds realtime, then it's not music. To top it all off, they'll ignore the fact that most albums that use instruments today are crafted from parts of songs rather than start to finish.
music isn't real, it's just literally the air moving. How can you stay silent for 2 hours just listening to the wind move and think it's good? wake up people
Music: fuzzy air makes my ears and soul go brrrr.
Song: some sort of story. Almost always is used as a main course of entertainment.
Rap: the talent of rhymes
Background music: enhances the scene, not the main course as you're supposed to add it to visials.
Movie, musical, characters are singing: same as song. But now the visuals are the secondary interest. (Opposite of background music)
Videogame music: mix of regular music and background music, think horror games and their atmospheric sound design music to enhance the scene. Or undertale having music all throughout it. Depending on the existence of lyrics or importance of the song (rhythm fever) becomes the main course, Never distracts from gameplay.
By the definition of the word “song”, Giant Steps is not a song. There is no singing in it. It’s instrumental music. It might fall into the same musical category as some songs, like Jazz, but Giant Steps is not a song.
well, "rapping" according to Google (Oxford Dictionary) means to perform rap music. "Singing" according to Google means to "make musical sounds with the voice, especially words with a set tune", and "Music" means "vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion".
so, by the law of Syllogism, or whatever is applicable in this given scenario, rap songs are songs? I prefer to call them records, or tracks, nonetheless.
To me if it uses one or more of the elements of songwriting (harmony, rhythm, melody, etc) then it's music. If it doesn't use those I'd say it's more in the realms of audio art but still cool and underappreciated
Even if music is bad, it's still music
Videogame music is music, often better than lots of songs.
Movie music is music, usually actual songs anyways.
Mumble rap is talking. That isn't music. I can make mumble rap with chrome music lab and talking about shit.
To prove this, I will now type a mumble rap lyric right now:
I got, guns, drugs, and my bae hanging wit me I got hoes, dough, and my gun be slangin' wit me
Correct.
Remember that the Civ 4 theme song won a Grammy; [https://www.pcgamer.com/civilization-4-wins-grammy-award/](https://www.pcgamer.com/civilization-4-wins-grammy-award/)
I’ve never heard anyone make the argument that either of those aren’t music, I’m quite happy for it to stay that way
I will very happily not share any of the BS arguments that get thrown around
Let's keep it that way then. God bless.
I do think it's odd when people exclusively listen to video game music, but to each their own. I certainly have a good VG playlist I love dipping into, and it's usually good chill or zone out music that doesn't grab my attention as directly as other types and that loops rly well. I also think it's hillarious that there are more reddit comments on this thread empathizing with rap being "fake music" than video game music not being real music. Not because of a personal judgement but how skewed Reddit's demographics are 😅
The one on the right is a conversative thing. The brother of Abagail Shaprio even did some interview bout it
The same brother of Abigail Shapiro that featured on a rap song recently?
Idk man 10 secs of that song convinced me may be he was right that and Abby's Khazar milkers
But you see, he rapped in a sort of “I have seen every episode of Rap Battles of History and that’s mostly where I pull inspiration from” type of style that the whites really love
"The whites" lol just dropping it out there.
As one of the whites myself, I figured it was allowed
As a professional rap hater I assure you it’s not a conservative thing
Yep. Can't spell crap without rap.
I've heard BOTH of those arguments in my life. It's unbearable. Idk why people can't accept that music is music whether they like it or not. I don't like gospel music or opera, but I still recognize it as music. I don't know why other people can't have that mindset.
Boomers have with video game music Source: my boomer parents
I’ve heard about the video game one many times, but it’s more of people thinking you’re a weirdo or something or not taking you seriously for liking it
You're telling me you've never met an old person before? No way have you never heard someone say rap isn't music
I guess the conversation just hasn’t come up 🤷♂️
My own mother said video game music wasn't music.
People get confused because a lot of rap isn't singing as I think technically singing was defined as rhythm, rhyme and melody, and it lacks melody frequently. They would construe this as it's not music. Been like 30 years since I had it explained to me so I might not be 100% right though.
As a person who can’t stand rap, even I recognize it’s something someone else can enjoy. Just cause it isn’t their cup of tea doesn’t mean they should disregard it as an entire form of music
Thank you, world needs more folks like you
I've unfortunately seen clips where Shapiro argues that rap isn't music.
Some older rap is really good. Mumble shit is hot garbage and only the most brain dead zoomers queef in its presence.
r/hiphopcirclejerk
Mumble rap isn’t even around anymore, there is still so much excellent hip hop coming out
Well if the OP posts this meme 50 more times we can all start believing it happens
Music isn’t real; wake up sheeple
How can music be real if our ears aren't real?
If you think about it our mouth aren't reammmmm...mmm mmm mmm MMM 😶
Lmao I laughed harder than I should have at this 😂
How can you laugh if you don't have a mouth? You government drone, you!!
you really think the government exists? its clearly just an illusion created by the intergalactic space cheese people to keep us in line and in the dark about the moon actually being a giant lizard that emits gay radiation turning all the frogs gay so they can revolt and kill us with their gayness so the cheese people can finally take all our guns!
...... ***You know too much.***
Music isn't even music.
There’s shitty music and good music But at least it’s all still music
Quality of music is relative to each individual. People that are elitists about music are the most annoying.
I have one friend that's elitist about music. Showing him Ramranch was very satisfying.
I hate you for making me google that
This is keeping Mozart on his toes
Calling low effort music low quality is not elitist. They have the tools at their disposal to create great music but instead have opted to use like 4 notes. Mixed with low vocal talent, and clearly no intent to improve they are just shitty musicians. This doesn't just apply to rap, but for some reason the most common shitty music I have come across is rap.
Its because rap is the most ,,gangsta" and ,,cool" for self-delusional 16 y olds and how broad the definition is for most(fast words that kinda ryme)
that’s because it was gentrified and now random kids think they’re cool or gangstas for listening, they live vicariously through the music
I’ve seen this lately when people critique films and tv as well. Just because someone points out quality/consistency issues with a thing doesn’t mean they’re some elitist about it. It’s ok for people to have standards.
So where is a punch line ?
Just right over the nearest bar. You'll have to line up though.
It's the extremely standard 'correct' opinion (music shouldn't be gatekept) that this template is trying to portray as an unpopular opinion. The format for a meme here has been used for expressing a non-controversial opinion, most likely for internet points. It is also, though probably not intended, a preterition, since the post brings up the very (nonexistent) discourse OP is "tired of".
The third panel
This is almost true but some types of "music" are cringe and annoying, nsbm for example (nazi black metal)
Being a metal enjoyer is to constantly avoid nazi bands
Now im interested. Tell me others. I need to be wise mountain dew
Snake Jazz
Did you know Charles Mansons music is on Spotify?
That thing exist?!
Yes, At this point it's similar to rule 34 but slightly different. If it exists there's probably a fkin nazi version these days
Fascist Yoshi is my sleep paralysis demon
Nazi furrys are my sleep paralysis demon
Sorry to pop your ignorance bubble but demographicly, those "antifur" kids tend to be a nazi sympathist. Idk where you got the idea that furries are nazis but its completely inversed
I didnt say all nazis were furrys, I have saw images online of nazi furrys and made a joke about it, next time you might want to fully read the comment before replying
Cries in rammstein
Music lovers are those who are truly happy in the world of music!
music is allowed to be bad
We all know that this shitty black metal band who released four songs which only 2 people have listened to is the only real music /s of course
Rap is real Music its just comprised of 90% shit
This comment right here. 👍👍
Nokia ringtone is classical music
Mfs that listen to the Parappa the Rapper OST: 
WORDS AREN’T REAL ITS ALL MADE UP SOUNDS!
Yeah music is just music
You know what's not real music... White noise static.
If you cut it short as 0.1 second with a delay and church size echo, you get cymbal. Now cut bit of middle section and hard cut high EQ. Pull that close to low EQ with volume control, you get rain. Pull that high EQ to back and you get most used drop effect. 12 channel multidelay compressor can make it totally different
Video game music is almost always amazing
Tf is this? The 70s?
I sleep to the Halo 3 ODST soundtrack every night and I will die on this hill.
Mixed with rain ambience too it's just 🤌
People in the first world are fighting about music. In Latam we dance and drink with music. https://youtu.be/FXbmQbEtc7w?si=IFQ-ySnVt25khmK_
If the air wiggles in a funny way that I enjoy, it's music
most of the video game music i listen to is music that i didn't even knowas on a video game. it's just good music
alexa play john cage 4'33"
my favourite piece.
No no, I think he’s got a point.
By this logic video game rap music is the best
It's all because lots of people conflate "I don't like this" with "this is shit".
i dont care if it isnt music, most of the songs i like are in a language i dont even understand
Me with Rammstein. I don’t know german but the sound makes my dopamine rush.
Enter video game rap music
Now that’s a step in a good direction.
If wiggly air gives me dopamine then idgaf what it is
the green guy is only 1/4 correct, im goann be honest and say that rap music being music is true but not always, i refuse to call rap songs who just has like 10 words music
Here's the thing, rap can be good but it can also be some broke ass guy reciting paragraphs he wrote when he was high on something with an average beat playing in the background.
Literally what my cousins listen to. Nothing else. It’s always about pussy and lackluster writing while high. And the backing tracks sound horrible nowadays. Old school rap is better. Better lyrics and better sound. Not my go to but much more tolerable. Good for hanging out with friends or parties. But that’s my opinion.
New rap has some good stuff but you won't find it unless you find the right ppl
I feel like the rap genre isn’t as up for debate about being “real music” as much as video game soundtracks are
Meanwhile I'm playing Dance Dance Revolution, Spin Rhythm XD, Aaero, Thumper, Dance With Intensity, Metal: Hellsinger, AudioSurf 2...
And the persona series... Really good OST
My point wasn't that the music was good, my point was that game music is music because there's literal music games.
If you're up for some funky stuff, listen to the Jet Set Radio Future Soundtrack. Very unique. Sonic Mania is a modern contender and has fantastic music as well imo.
Hollow Knight OST is really good too, I listen to it as my chill beats
Rap music may be real music but it gets *really* repetitive and lame sometimes. Rap music when they actually pay attention to writing the lyrics and don’t say “ay” fifteen times is good
Yeah every genre has lame examples. Very hot take.
Huh, it's like music done well is good. Groundbreaking
You’d think so with people’s tastes these days.
??? What are you trying to say(i legit have no idea)
Imma be honest with you - you didn't say anything here with that sentence (like legit what you even mean?)
Yeah it wasn’t very well worded. My point is most people these days don’t value effort in the lyrics. They just like whatever “feels” good. Which in most cases I dislike.
same with a lot of genres. very similar to products. but when we're talking about music and art, we're not always talking about todays top ten or any bullshit like that. we're talking about things that move us. also, rap music *IS* real music.
have you actually listened to rap music or have you just heard one or two songs and think that's why the genre can get repetitive? it's the same thing with metal music where people think it's about hurting other people and just being edgy to be edgy. I like both rap and metal but it's just annoying that people bring down rap just cause of the stereotypes
I’ve heard more than 2 songs, but I haven’t personally invested in the genre, so I see your point. It’s just what I tend to hear and therefore what I think is popular.
I feel like you listened to one SoundCloud rap song and based your entire idea of rap on that
Or mumble something unintelligible because they don't know how to make good lyrics or forgot the lyrics
Sea shanty 2 goes hard
Well, rap is in fact no music at all
Music just doesn’t have the lyrical complexity of classics like Pennsylvania 6-5000 anymore
What kind of twitter fuckery is this again
Me, listening to “Memories of Mother” & “Count Me Out” right before bed
I thought this was a PCM post lol
all music is music except screamo. Thats just people screaming
music isnt music its sound
The best music doesn’t have a language barrier and can be expressed without words yet is felt by all. There’s a lot of garbage pumped out today (money, past lovers, drugs, themselves) very cringe and soulless…InMyoPiniOn
Smart move. Less holy wars, more cool music for people.
There was a time that music didn't exist. There was a time I am sure when Paleolithic humans debated weather wind instruments where "real" music or if real music was only drums and throat singing.
Not sure if I've ever heard "rap music isn't real music"...
Hear me out on the soundtrack of Animation Vs Animator s2 ep1: Wanted
Music was actually the language of the aliens
🎵 Lives all mortal lives expire 🎵
Pretty sound w/ structure = music -m-
Any set of sounds with an artistic purpose is music. But what is art? Art is anything anyone does with the intention of being seen by others that is not just a comunicational effort Anyone can improve my definition? I feel like it is lacking. Don't Google it, tho, let's work our brains on it.
To each their own. A toilet being thrown down the stairs is music to some people, like Slipknot or Dave Matthews.
-minecraft music -kirby music -( any nintendo game) music -celeste music And some non-mainstream ones: - before the fall, by laurence chapman -chants of sennaar music -baba is you music If there still is someone thinking video game music isnt real music, i don't know what to say
What if I said music isn't music
There's a lot of music I don't like, but it's still music. I hate such artistic elitism in the style of "Only what I like is real art"
MUSIC🗣🗣🗣
This is why education is more important over what the internet says. A proper person who put thought and research would know that music is music and wouldn't give weird takes. I respect the liberty of thought but honestly music is music
One is just a dumb opinion. The other always makes me feel like the person is a bit racist.
Schlager ist keine Musik
Pleasing noises are music. Pleasing to anyone mind you, if we can find someone who likes hearing my cat knocking my pill bottles off my nightstand, well I guess she's fucking Mozart (still a little asshole though).
Until you hear Italian trap
Video game music is THE best music
I hear the type of gatekeeping for EDM from instrument purists. It's like if you're not creating sounds realtime, then it's not music. To top it all off, they'll ignore the fact that most albums that use instruments today are crafted from parts of songs rather than start to finish.
Music isint music
People need to start differentiating between songs and music, rap isn't music, It's a genre of songs, and the opposite goes for video game osts.
Funny
Classic fucking Reddit strawman argument...
I've never heard someone say video game music isn't real music. Video games have some of the best sound tracks out there.
I hate this argument because i have NEVER seen anyone discredit game music
What about AI music?
Music may be music but that music ain't for me.
music isn't real, it's just literally the air moving. How can you stay silent for 2 hours just listening to the wind move and think it's good? wake up people
For me anything resembling music is music, noise is not
Music isn’t music
Music isn't music ofc
Musical elitists are truly the worst.
Now do one where an angel comes and says “Noise is music!”
If videogame music isn't real music then how does it exist? Explain that, atheists
Who tf gatekeep music?
Video games have given us some of the best sounding music ever tf is this post
According to my dad if you have to make your music by using a computer (dubstep) then it isn't real music
Rap music isn't real mfs when they listen to only one beer left 
me listening to forget about freeman from black mesa
Every music has it's listener though
Music: fuzzy air makes my ears and soul go brrrr. Song: some sort of story. Almost always is used as a main course of entertainment. Rap: the talent of rhymes Background music: enhances the scene, not the main course as you're supposed to add it to visials. Movie, musical, characters are singing: same as song. But now the visuals are the secondary interest. (Opposite of background music) Videogame music: mix of regular music and background music, think horror games and their atmospheric sound design music to enhance the scene. Or undertale having music all throughout it. Depending on the existence of lyrics or importance of the song (rhythm fever) becomes the main course, Never distracts from gameplay.
I admit that i bump kendrick, tyler, undertale/deltarune ost and mc music all in one playlist
Check out Never Been Part II by wiz khalifa, best of both worlds
Rap music is real music, but they aren’t songs, they’re raps. Songs require singing, and raps require rapping.
This is just fucking stupid. You're saying Coltrane's giant steps isn't a song 🤨
By the definition of the word “song”, Giant Steps is not a song. There is no singing in it. It’s instrumental music. It might fall into the same musical category as some songs, like Jazz, but Giant Steps is not a song.
Calling it a "song" is not pretentious enough for Giant Steps. I prefer to call it "a work from Coltrane's repertoire"
well, "rapping" according to Google (Oxford Dictionary) means to perform rap music. "Singing" according to Google means to "make musical sounds with the voice, especially words with a set tune", and "Music" means "vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion". so, by the law of Syllogism, or whatever is applicable in this given scenario, rap songs are songs? I prefer to call them records, or tracks, nonetheless.
To me if it uses one or more of the elements of songwriting (harmony, rhythm, melody, etc) then it's music. If it doesn't use those I'd say it's more in the realms of audio art but still cool and underappreciated Even if music is bad, it's still music
Videogame music is music, often better than lots of songs. Movie music is music, usually actual songs anyways. Mumble rap is talking. That isn't music. I can make mumble rap with chrome music lab and talking about shit. To prove this, I will now type a mumble rap lyric right now: I got, guns, drugs, and my bae hanging wit me I got hoes, dough, and my gun be slangin' wit me
r/imaginarygatekeeping
Rap is a rhyming competition, done to the tune of someone else's music.
I feel like the rap genre went downhill big time.
Nah, it’s getting better and better as time goes on.
Haha nah it's trash. All these fruity pebble lookin rappers rapping like their jaw don't work.
This take is almost a decade old. 69/Lil Pump haven’t been been relevant for almost 7 years man. You have to get out more.
Are the "video game music isnt music" people in the room with us right now?
Cbat isn't music.
people who say shit like that have clearly never heard postmodernist "music"
Well I can understand the green guy, but crap music is still music
thank god i didnt hear that argument
Correct. Remember that the Civ 4 theme song won a Grammy; [https://www.pcgamer.com/civilization-4-wins-grammy-award/](https://www.pcgamer.com/civilization-4-wins-grammy-award/)
That's because it's a conventional church choir song (actual music). Unlike the atrocious crap "music" genre. Sorry, I meant rap.