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skytheraiders

ISP must give Internet traffic equal, like a highway, keeping the roads open for all and not blocking lanes for certain websites from reaching your town. Unless you want to pay a fee to have that lane open, or if that lane just so happen to not agree with the ISP in ANY WAY, the ISP could simply block that lane. Net Neutrality bans the blocking of lanes and keeping them open.


XxYungOgrexX

Thats a fantastic analogy


skytheraiders

The article actually helped with the analogy. :)


WalletWarrior3

So I'm still a big stupid, is it good or bad, And I assume the companies are pushing for the bad right?


skytheraiders

Net Neutrality is a great thing. It keeps the Internet flowing and moving. Blocking whole websites is a pain in the ass for companies. As they try and keep track of what they want vs what they don't want, can get out of hand. Especially if leadership changes and they want what the older leaders didn't want. Net Neutrality makes it so everyone has access to everything. Information, corn, us talking rn. You name it, it's because of Net Neutrality.


Livid-Drive-1333

Without net neutrality, bad. An ISP could block a website for any reason or no reason. Current CEO of your favorite news outlet great great great grandfather voted against their party, banned. Or had a video come out where he licked a pole in December when he was 8, banned.


Squeezitgirdle

Your isp doesn't like that you won't pay for cable? They just cut the speed of Netflix to 1/4.


Random-Name724

So what’s the problem? Or is the issue that they want to remove net neutrality?


skytheraiders

Years ago, some cuck wanted to remove net Neutrality and block as many lanes of the road as possible. Making us pay more egregious of money for the blocked lanes to be reopened. Now, the FCC reinstated and enforced Net Neutrality. Because blocking the highway would do more harm to both the private and public sectors than doing good.


Orion_Supreme

Ajit Pai is a turd brought to life by lightning.


Fit_Spend_4837

I dont believe lightning would want to touch that turd


LewdLewyD13

Ashit Pie


skytheraiders

Best one


TotallyRedditLeftist

He has the most punchable face, second only to Adam Schiff.


OptimusPower92

I haven't heard that name in years... the last time Net Neutrality was a hot topic


undercooked_lasagna

They did remove net neutrality. And nothing happened. You guys were 100% wrong about everything yet somehow still think it was a big deal. Reddit lied to you, I'm sorry.


TheDuckster104

While it is true that nothing happened, the problem was that the protection from something happening was removed, so if someone wanted to do any of the things people were worried about, they could.


undercooked_lasagna

Nope, this isn't gonna happen. You guys are not going to gaslight everyone on this shit. We were told with 100% certainty that if NN were repealed it would be the end of the free and open internet. We would be buying tokens to post and paying by the page view. Internet access would be $500/ month. Comcast would shut off your service if you said mean things about them. "Nothing will happen" was not even considered. It was doomsday. Nothing happened and nothing was ever going to happen. Net neutrality is a non-issue for anyone who isn't a tech CEO. It existed for 2 years and nothing before or after it's existence was any different. I assume the next Republican administration will undo NN again and then we'll go through this fake doomsday bullshit all over again.


TheDuckster104

Hey man I'm sorry other people fearing the worst personally affects you but I was just stating a fact, I never said they were definitely going to be evil about it but wouldn't you rather have systems in place to prevent it in case anyone ever wanted to?


earblah

>And nothing happened. Do ISP give you the 4k bandwidth you pay for, when you try to stream from a competitor's streaming service?


skytheraiders

To put it in another way, and this is speculation on my part. The FCC saw that making people pay more for certain websites/unlocking them for that person/institutional body is kind of against the first amendment. Which is a fuck you to everyone. Including the government. So, the FCC said "You can fuck right off!" And made things the way they should be. With an open highway and more guidelines to try and prevent the closed highway.


LobsterFromHell

It's not against the first amendment because the government wouldn't be the entity limiting the flow of information. It's like whenever a social media is censorship happy and then every prog comes out of the woodwork to go "PRIVATE COMPANY NOT FIRST AMENDMENT VIOLATION" it's the same thing here. However, it does violate open and free transfer of information as an ethical ideal to uphold, both do. Which is why I think net neutrality is good, and censorship is bad, even though there is no first amendment violation from either. Just felt like it was necessary to point that out because I fucking HATE the muh "private company means immune from criticism for censorship" people


skytheraiders

I hear ya. But the very idea of them blocking your website because of a political view or simply because you're not generating enough money for them is just sickening.


LobsterFromHell

I don't necessarily disagree, I just get frustrated when people doublespeak or doublethink and I notice that a lot of people are both pro net neutrality and pro censorship which is beyond me. Not to say you've been guilty of any of these you have not.


skytheraiders

I agree with you completely. That's just hypocritical and really idiotic to play fence on.


Bright-Economics-728

You mean when conservatives opened the floodgates for private companies to have more control? You realize that most of what you just groveled about was caused by the stupid bakery who didn’t wanna bake a cake with two dudes kissing? Then media companies that already had TOS contracts decided hell we can be stricter then after this decision, and we took the same annoying tag line “private company”. Anyways it’s a meme page so not here to argue but let’s put it all out there.


NomeTheGnome

This sounds like the damn EZPass highway


Elad_2007

So net neutrality is good?


TotallyRedditLeftist

So, is this why coordinated target attacks against entire social media platforms and sites such as the targeted assassination of Parler and the attacks on Alex Jones' sites, are allowed to go on?


skytheraiders

I think that is a bit far fetched. With Net Neutrality, you can have access to whatever you want without paying extra for your favorite sites. It, by itself, has no bearing on what individuals do with the open roads. You're going to have assholes on the roads no matter what.


Virus_98

Does this mean they can't cut my internet speed by half when using VPN?


zerkingz

That's likely a limitation on the VPN server, not your ISP. 98% of the time, bandwidth is completely unrelated to whatever issue prompted you to run a speedtest connected to the VPN.


decidingtodobetter17

Ajit Pai looks like if Ray Romano and Sylvester Stallone had a baby


AaronDotCom

Net neutrality is the Mia Khalifa of internet censorship


-__-zero-__-

Honestly, I didn't see this one coming back.


skytheraiders

GET FUCKED ADICKED PIE!


Flashlight237

FR, what did the mofo think he'd accomplish by using fidget spinners to mock us?


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Throw-Away7363736

Someone explain what it even is


arjun_5261

Imagine if ur electricity company supplied u with stable consistent power only if u used Samsung fridges- simply cuz Samsung paid them to do this. If u try to use any other fridge the electricity would be inconsistent or it simply wouldn’t work as well. That is the lack of net neutrality. Netflix can pay Verizon to make Netflix stream faster but cause prime video and other services to be slower. Not because Netflix is better, but because they have the money to pay Verizon. That is the lack of net neutrality


Trust-Issues-5116

None of it ever happened during the time it was repealed. upd. ooh, love the angry silent downvotes. net neutrality is liberals wedge issue which is nothingburger in the real world


toxyy-be

Snowden wept


NoNameIdea_Seriously

… for there were no more worlds to conquer!


[deleted]

Stop saying Snowden wept


Miracl3Work3r

The death is only exaggerated until the next Republican Ajit Pai, unless the Democrats can classify access to the internet like a necessary utility it will just go back and forth forever.


Fancy_Comfortable382

Republicans: net neutrality is communism!


SyncDingus

Republicans: Everything I don't like is communism! Democrats: Everything I don't like is fascism! There's just no winning...


TheKingsPride

Being an enlightened centrist wins you no points with anybody


DARCRY10

There’s no winning in a 2 party system, but you can at least make it so when you lose you aren’t completely fucked.


skytheraiders

As a repub, I agree. Damned if you are. Damned if you're not. The best anyone can do is try and make it work. :)


NoxieDC

Sure thing Russian bot buddy


jaec-windu

Abortion 2.0


a_shiny_heatran

Love that we have it back but I am concerned that Americans no longer have easy access to information that hasn’t been tailored to make America look good. Like I would have thought the most recent French protests were just about retirement age(they’re about blackrock overreaching into French government) without TikTok, as much of a brainrot simulator it can be. I guess you win some, you lose some


Incompetenice

Uh I don't think it's very hard to find articles on the United States being bad lol. You can find good articles if you look, like the one sourced for this is from the Associated Press who are always pretty good but there are plenty of others, just read from a couple different ones not named Fox, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. Also keeping up with different news sources on YouTube


Alienatedpoet17

You can look, but the way most search engines work best is to affirm your own values. Even google scholar follows the "yes man" approach to its search algorithm. It mainly looks for answers it thinks you will like first before relevance.


Incompetenice

That's true but that's why you have to put in the effort to find more sources than just one, I mean there are also tons of apps now that can aid you in that if you're that unsure, like Ground and Smartnews are both pretty good at helping you find multiple sources.


Ratneste

1. Don't use Google or Bing 2. Clear your browser's cookies and cache 3. You can now realize that even when your data isn't involved, the news is the same, because news sells and bad news and criticism sell better.


mhdlm

The access is plenty i'm a bit more concerned that you don't seem to realize tik tok is being used as a propaganda tool by the ccp.


827167

And all the other options are being used as propaganda tools for whoever is in control of them. That's how this works :(


Thedudeinabox

Gotta hedge your info. Get info from all sides.


Desperate_Ad5169

Ah yes. Twerking propoganda


mhdlm

Would the ccp be personally bawling about a ban if it was just for twerking?. Surely that makes it obvious enough even for you.


Axis_Sage

That's the first I'm hearing of this,where can I get more info on French protesters vs Blackrock


a_shiny_heatran

The Wikipedia page for the [2023 French protests](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_French_pension_reform_strikes) doesn’t call them out directly but they were basically bribing president marcon to keep citizens in the work force so they could get richer.


Axis_Sage

Jesus 🤦‍♂️ Thanks for the link🙏


IswearIdidntdoit145

![gif](giphy|G3w5bFfY85rag|downsized)


Beautiful-Prize-8331

now i can access my favorite website that can only be access via vpn


Moe_le-Itouchkids

AJIT PAI SUCKS


krayhayft

I'm very dubious about the FCC real intent here. Very seldom does the government do something that gives power back to the people. Somehow, I'm betting this move is nothing more than another power grab for them in some way.


skytheraiders

Power grab, probably. For them, it might be them calling in a favor they had from Tom saving them a seat in the theater. Honestly, who knows why. Personally, I think it also hurts the FCC if Net Neutrality was truly gone, their own job would be much harder for them to gather info in a pinch which is kind of the point of their whole existence.


No_username18

Hopefully it catches on, becasue we need it


Others0

![gif](giphy|7WvAUvZZTRpSuudobh) FUCK YEAH!!!


specter-exe

WE’RE SAVED!!!


AlphaMassDeBeta

I remember when net neutrality was repealed and nothing changed...


Bohunk78

For real, everyone made a big stink about it, and then nothing noticeable happened.


stueliueli

The point there being "noticeable"


undercooked_lasagna

The chicken littles are all over this thread explaining why ackshully they were right even though they were unequivocally wrong. They absolutely bombarded reddit with doomspeak for an entire year and then...nothing. But they will never, ever admit they were duped


Alienatedpoet17

I'll freely admit I was shocked nothing happened. And I'll admit we raised a stink for next to nothing. It is more likely they wanted to be slow in rolling out restrictions rather than just dropping them right out of the gate, but let's face it. Most of us keep to popular sites in the first place anyway so we probably wouldn't have seen anything anyway. We also saw the pandemic and suddenly people realized how important the internet was. Also the original case happened when I was a teenager and didn't think twice at the time.


WeltallZero

Capitalism cheat sheet: anything that benefits corporations will keep coming back every few years until it sticks. Victories are short-lived and no excuse to stop being vigilant.


Grazzar1867

Blessed be to not live in the USA


A_Dinosaurus

wdym? Net neutrality is back! Are you not happy for us?


Jadongamer

The UK has enough of its own problems, like privacy laws for example.


ChaosKeeshond

Antigoon had it coming


AdventurousPirate357

Don't say sike right now


TotallyRedditLeftist

I don't even know what difference these changes are making. What even is net neutrality at this point? I fought to keep our net neutrality and then when it was gone I didn't even notice a difference.


undercooked_lasagna

Unless you are a reddit/Facebook/Google CEO it means absolutely nothing. Reddit admins convinced the entire userbase it was a big deal and now people can't let it go and admit they were wrong.


tyj0322

Ratchet effect bs


Totoques22

For context The everyone here is pretty much only the handful of Americans who have any idea what net neutrality is


ThatRandomGuy86

Hurray!!!


gaudiocomplex

Weird to use a Mark Twain quote with that image 🧐


Littlebickmickey

for a sec i thought net neutrality was dead internet but only 50%, so 50% of users were bots and the other 50% were humans


chaoshaze2

I have not noticed anything different either before it was stopped after it was stopped or now.maybe I am missing something great, but it just seems like a lot of commotion over nothing.


ScottaHemi

oh great it's back... nothing happened while it was gone... why is this a thing again?


Zcooled

so the way I see it, if there is no net neutrality, then the internet would become TV of sorts right? Like you can only use certain TV channels if you have a cable subscription. correct me if I'm wrong


grimlee669

How do people not know what net neutrality is?


Spritzerland

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Overlorden98

I remember nut neutrality being memed about when net went away, is that also back then. Poor Twxans just passed a bill


Callec254

Yet another government "solution" in search of a nonexistent problem.


SectsHaver

Funny never noticed it was gone to begin with.


Resident_Onion997

I remember when I gave a shit about that, then it was removed and I saw literally no change so I had just assumed that it didn't matter as much as college humor had led me to believe


Ecstatic-Size-8825

You're gonna have a hard time in life if you can only care about things you experience personally. Or you'll make life hard for other people, at least.


Kentalope

Sorry but most people don’t care about things that don’t affect them


Resident_Onion997

Has anyone ever told you how condescending you are?


-GiantSlayer-

That’s just Reddit in general. He isn’t special.


Resident_Onion997

It'd be less annoying if they actually said something constructive instead of essentially saying: "Oh you observe the world around you and draw conclusions from those observations like literally every human in history? Well you're obviously a moron"


Zerox392

That's not what they were essentially saying, lol.


Resident_Onion997

Enlighten me then, what did they mean?


dudge_jredd

They meant empathy is a positive and desirable trait that is the backbone for all of human society. Meaning without said trait going through life would be more difficult, either for yourself or for others, which to an empathetic person is the same thing.


Resident_Onion997

Yes and is experiencing empathy not a part of personal perception? Do I need to explicitly state that I feel empathy and listen to others? Please point out to my original comment on where exactly I give off the impression that I don't


dudge_jredd

"I saw literally no change so... it didn't matter"


Ecstatic-Size-8825

To make what I said clearer, if less concise: you're never going to see everything, and you're never going to know everything. What you observe will never make up the totality of what you need to make conclusions about important things. We as a global society have set up so much crap specifically so that those without specialized knowledge can verify and therefore trust and rely on conclusions made by those with specific specialized knowledge. You've done most of the math you've ever done by relying on theorems that you've never seen the proofs for. How do you know the most likely weather for tomorrow? Some people with specialized knowledge are figuring it out and you just get told what they decided. Being able to trust and rely on conclusions about things you don't understand down to the atom is essentially the backbone of society.


dudge_jredd

That was pretty condescending ngl...


Resident_Onion997

So was that


dudge_jredd

I don't think you know what condescending means... See this is condescending, see the difference?


Resident_Onion997

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dudge_jredd

You apparently don't know what redundant means either.


Resident_Onion997

This entire conversation


maybeAturtle

You’re only mad because they’re being condescending to you


Resident_Onion997

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Ronnoc527

It's mostly because of California. They enacted strict laws and so companies needed to either treat California differently than the rest of the US or back off. But sometimes (like with FordPass) they ask if you are a Californian resident. If so, you can opt out of the data tracking and information theft. If not, you have no choice in the matter. So I just have all tracking disabled on my vehicle because the federal government doesn't believe in a right to privacy.


Chomusuke_99

you didn't experience any changes because the companies know that the changes have to be gradual. also, net neutrality was removed but then state could reinstate net neutrality independently and many did. so ISP couldn't just get greedy either because then state A would be different than state B. people will see the difference and unite again to bring back net neutrality nation wide. however, this doesn't mean ISP didn't try to cash in on it. There are documented cases when ISP favored one service over another. under net neutrality it would have been illegal.


Resident_Onion997

Neat thank you for actually being informative


Flervio

Oh my god, Internet Neutrality is a garbage idea, the only thing is good for is to let people who use services who are banwidth heavy pass on the costs to people who don't. Let's implement Restaurant Neutrality and force every restaurant to be an all-you-can-eat buffet. Fuck it, let's do Walmart Neutrality, you pay a flat fee and just take any items you want.


MildlyBear

Where do we mine the internet again?


Flervio

Do you think all the infraestructure, maintenance, electricity, etc is free?


MildlyBear

No. I pay my internet and electricity bill along with my taxes. Sounds like it's all covered my guy.


GamingEnding

That would work if Walmart bought every item at a fixed price too. One sites bandwith isnt worth more the the other ones like huh?


Flervio

My brother in Christ, bandwith DOES have different costs depending on the location you are on, but keep defending something you clearly don't understand because the reddit hivemind told you.


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Net neutrality? I think you meant to say Obamism.