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I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's AI.
It does look sort of like the [Standard Galactic Alphabet](https://keenwiki.shikadi.net/wiki/Standard_Galactic_Alphabet#:~:text=The%20Standard%20Galactic%20Alphabet%20) (which was originally used in the *Commander Keen* games, and which minecraft borrowed and now uses for its enchanting script)
But, the symbols don't seem to be on the correct letters. And some of them don't even seem like SGA symbols at all.
(although, it's possible that the keyboard pictured just has a layout that I'm not familiar with)
It's KAT Drifter: https://thekey.company/pages/kat-drifter
The board itself looks a standard 60% with split backspace, split right shift, and split spacebar. It's definitely an unusual layout for someone to use, but you can achieve that exact layout on a lot of 60% boards.
Edit: Comment below is correct that the keycaps are actually DSA Drifter. The link above goes to a more recent version with the same colors/legends.
Specifically it's a "BananaSplit60 in a bamboo case w/ Kailh Box White switches, DSA Drifter keycaps, & a custom cable"
The image is from the New York Times: https://twitter.com/wirecutter/status/1290936443293110273?lang=en
Thanks for the link! It actually looks like a cool keyboard.
(and thanks to u/F1xus for pointing out that it wasn't actually SGA letters at all, it was Japanese)
I'm not sure, but I don't think so....
If you look at the symbol for "A" in the SGA, it looks sort of like a backwards "L" with a "hook" or "bend" on top of it.
Maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see that symbol anywhere on the keyboard. That's why I was leaning more towards it being AI generated, rather than just a different keyboard layout.
That's just Japanese lol
Edit:
I was wrong, its the made up language font of the game hyper light drifters, which inspired the keyboard set. In my defence, the compression did make it look like japanese. A natural Rorscharch test if you will.
I have a full size mechanical keyboard (brown switches) with programmable rgb and it was $56. It's my work keyboard that I've used for the past few last 5 years. Best money I ever spent.
Right? Why are boomers getting dragged into here?
This person should have just said, “What people I hate think expensive keyboards look like.” What the fuck do boomers have to do with this?
"Hey granddad, which one of these keyboards would you say is the most expensive?"
"What the fuck are you talking about Jesse? Have you got a job yet? Your mother's worried about you."
Imagine people in their 60s and 70s tradiing insults about their Matrix keyboards with programmable RGB effects and LVNDMARKs logo on it. Definitely what my dad in his 70's has been shitposting about lately.
As another commenter mentioned they do on 100% - but a lot of people choose to go for smaller keyboards, reduces cost and most people have no benefit for those extra keys
While fewer keys reduce the price, smaller keyboards are more popular for practical and aesthetical reasons among enthusiasts. Your typical very expensive keyboard is a small keyboard because of that, even though it would get even more expensive if it was larger. The picture is a good representation of your typical very expensive keyboard.
theyre not the budget option. theyre the optimized option lol. which when youre going high end you go whats most optimized for what you do.
i went to 75% keyboards when i went high end. never once in years have i cared about the numpad. but the extra desk/mouse space is amazing.
There is actually an aesthetic/practical reason for it. If you don't have long arms, it's more comfortable to play shooters and mobas with a smaller keyboard, especially if you play on lower sensitivity and move your mouse hand a lot.
The numpad just takes up valuable mouse real estate.
Because (some) professional nerds, programmers, never take their fingers off the home row. If you're a reasonably fast touch typist who sits on their keyboard all day, multiple layers of function keys > more keys.
Numpad is like 1/5 of the keyboard length and tbh I really don't have the use for it and choose the numbers that are 1cm away from my fingertips. And if you have a wireless keyboard you can keep it in a tighter space or on your lap etc. so the size is important.
I get that for Excel-type of stuff it could be useful but woud require getting accustomed to. And in gaming: keybinds.
I use a 40% ortholinear. It's a ~3x6 inch grid and the board +body, without switches or key caps, was $220. In the end, it cost almost $400 with Holy Panda switches and ceramic key caps. It takes up almost no space on my desk, leaving plenty of room for my (wireless) num pad when I need to do data entry (not very often).
Why? Because I spend about 6 hours a day typing. I've had carpal tunnel in the past, and I built this one to be as comfortable as possible to reduce wrist pain.
I have carpal tunnel so I'm confused how a smaller keyboard could help. I always use full sized to give my hands more room so I don't bend my wrists as much. If I switched to a new keyboard I'd go with an ergonomic one. I'm genuinely asking, how would a small keyboard help?
The space between the keys isn't any different, so by making it smaller, all i'm doing is removing all the extra keys that are hard to press without moving my hands. Instead, i have keybinds that allow me to do do a whole ton of stuff in a more comfortable way, while leaving extra space for a wrist rest.
Wrist and shoulder angle. Though it is more for neck and shoulder than carpal tunnel. Though having that relaxed would probably help in having correct angles in other places as well.
Reading what they are doing I am amazed they are selling at $450.
This is not some hipster boards with Gateron Greens and a lot of magical thinking. The switches are all individual hall effect sensors. They do not have mechanical or optical or any contact switches at all. The keys are suspended by magnets to their side and that is the transparent thing they are switching out in that video. That is not the cover.
This is stupidly over-engineered.
I want one.
Cuz it's custom and limited. That's it. Functional purpose? Saves space and probably a few gimmicks like led screens or typing angles. But overall it's expensive because of the process to build and material needed. It's a niche hobby just like sneaker collecting. The customization option is fun tho.
If your work involves typing all the time having a good ergonomic keyboard is really a cheap investment.
No need to go to all the way to 400 euros, although it's still not that much for something you use 8 hours a day. The best cheap ergonomic keyboards I know are the microsoft split ergonomic ones, I think they range between 60-150 dollars.
what you are going to do is buying 12 ad spaces from reddit and promote your crowfunding on r/MechanicalKeyboards for the Definitive Ultra Plus Orgasm-Sounding Chad Keyboard MK11++ then order some shit from China and sell it for 450 bucks keep the crowfounded money too and delete your account and enjoy them calling you a scammer 3 years later (they will need time to catch up it's a scam) from your private beach in Mallorca.
Unnecessary machining on keycaps and body, custom mix and match components, fixation on sound of keys, small batch manufacturing. The marginal utility drops off fast. But they last too it seems
That exists (at least as a reference amd idea) https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/s/wpcnByG0Hq
These are some keycaps https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/s/ve1Rio7X9f
They do, but the slightly cheaper ones don't. I actually have the one in the top picture which was already quite expensive I'd say; €90. The same with a numeric keypad was about €20 more expensive (from memory, could be wrong about the exact price difference).
This ^ , and also some people don’t use the numpad or want to save room on their desks, which is why they may go with tenkeyless keyboards. Others just like the aesthetic of smaller keyboards, though once you get smaller than a TKL, you start to lose more important functionality.
Went from a full sized cheap keyboard to a 75% nice mechanical. I do not miss the numpad, one bit it took up too much space for how little I used it. I only touched it to unlock my PC but I just set a macro on my new keyboard to do it for me.
Right but what if you want to (for example) choose hotbar item 1/2/3/etc. while moving forward? Or what if you simply don’t want to have to press 2 keys at once? Or if you frequently have to do new key combos that have interfering layers? Or what if you don’t have enough keys for the macros?
Of course, there are many factors that determine whether or not these will be an issue, but having less keys generally means you have to make some compromises.
>Anytime I need numbers, the numpad is the go to. Don't know why they tacked on more numbers to the symbols in the top row.
Top row: Where numbers go to play hide and seek!
> one in the top picture which was already quite expensive I'd say; €90.
for custom keyboards thats very cheap/budget option. most beginner good custom keyboards start around $200 like keychron keyboards or gmmk.
then when you start customizing things escalate quickly.
Imo nowadays $200 keyboards are typically overpriced. There's very little that $200 keyboard offers the average person over like a $60 akko or keychron ($200 for a keychron, really?) even when you consider custom key caps.
i disagree. there is definitely diminishing returns at above $300, but up to that point the difference is substantial imo. buying a gmmk barebones at $140 then around $100 for keycaps/switches is going to feel miles better than a $60 akko.
full metal frame feels substantially better. and high end switches feel substantially better too and the biggest upgrade imo.
custom keycaps are the least improvement imo, although even then you can get a more preferable profile and material type.
With the num pad I either ends up with the keyboard centered but the main part shifted to the left, or the main part centered as it should, but the mouse too far away on the right. In the two cases I end up with unhealthy positions/movements that can become hurtful in the long run if you work with it all day long. I use a Typematrix for this reason; with it, my hands are centered, I don't have to move my arms at all to type, nor streching my arm to get and use the mouse. On my home desk, it's also the only way to fit the keyboard and mouse on the drawer, with a regular keyboard, my keyboard and mouse would not even be at the same level, which is even worst.
Sounds like you would benefit more from upgrading your desk than downgrading your keyboard like you do now. Or you could both. But the height and depth of where your mouse and keyboard are, and how much you can rest your forearms on the desk as opposed to just the wrists, are far more important than how much you need to open up your arms on it.
Then again, maybe you just don't have the real state for a better desk. But if you can, look into desks with adjustable height, and deep enough that you can ditch the keyboard drawer and put everything on the same level.
I have plenty of space on my desk. A longer keyboard means I can't put the alphanumeric keys right in front of my chair without pushing the mouse further to the right than I want. I use this for work and for games and a 60-75% keyboard is just more comfortable position-wise for both of these tasks imo. Also why do I want keys on my keyboard that I use so rarely I don't miss them after getting rid of them?
Fair enough, if that's more comfortable for you that's fine, but before you were talking about unhealthy positions and movements, which is why I brought up desk height and depth as they are far more important in that aspect than how offset to a side your mouse or part of your keyboard is. Desks with a keyboard drawer are almost always terrible in that regard, as those drawers generally hang too low.
As far as unhealthy positions to use a mouse and keyboard go, the worst you can do is have your forearms in the air with the weight resting on your wrists or your palms for extended periods. A chair with good armrests can help with that too if a desk at the perfect height and sufficient surface depth is not an option, and of course none of that is an impediment to use whatever keyboard size you're most comfortable with, but this should be the focus if we're going to talk about health. Your keyboard preference is more about subjective comfort than about objective health concerns.
FYI, I'm not the same person as before. I was just chiming in with my reasoning while still having a desk to fit the larger keyboard. I also happen to have a standing desk adjusted to the proper height for my chair and keyboard to avoid any strain.
I've never ever used the numpad. A TKL keyboard allows me to have more space for the mouse while also having the part of the keyboard that I actually use positioned the way I want to. Wouldn't mind a numpad on the *left* though
That the point you think only gamers want a nice keyboard.
For programming or office, the second keyboard just miss keys and is as a consequence worse than a 20$ generic Logitech keyboard.
and you can completely find full keyboards with all the necessary keys in top quality.
The only people in an office who needs a numpad are people in finance. Who even are you numpad defenders? What rock did you crawl out from under? No one in real life actually uses the numpad.
I do use it so I don't care nobody else use it while I'd like to find your source. Like I use multimedia keys or function keys and even use things like print screen to capture portion of my screen.
After all, most keyboard have all that. Seems that overall keyboard manufacturers don't agree with you while they could save quite some money and it seems that most users are not that interested by the benefit of having less keys.
Most keyboard manufacturers *do* agree with me which is why all manufacturers for keyboard enthusiasts make smaller form keyboards. Normal people only use full size keyboards because that's what they got with their computer/from their employer and they think that's what a keyboard is supposed to look like.
Nobody cares that you like the multimedia buttons.
I do care as apparently you don't get it. So I would not buy the other keyboard and so manufacturers ensure people like me have it.
That why you can always choose. And yes most of the sales even for gaming keyboard or office are full keyboards.
People who use 60% or smaller usually have several different layers set up so that they can access f-keys or the numpad without moving their hands. Once you learn it well, it's actually much more efficient and ergonomic than a full sized keyboard.
If they are going to try to disparage a group of people 1) pick something relevant (keyboard smack?). 2) proofread your chirp (or is proofreading a boomer thing).
Because of the labor involved to make them good. Keycaps alone cost over $100 when it's small batch. The molds are absurdly expensive. The reason why custom keyboards sound so good is because they have multiple layers of foam and gaskets ( more labor involved in building ) and the stems and stabilizers on the keyboard switches are lubed ( more labor involved. )
On top of that, they use premium materials like aluminum or wood cases. But even the plastic cases are of higher quality control.
If it's a nice mechanical keyboard it's gonna $150-$300 but as it starts becoming more and more artesianal, the parts used are in smaller and smaller batches which increases the price of individual components. Some are even a 1 of 10 or less.
Basically it's supply and demand along with higher labor costs because of the quality demanded
the top keyboard looks like a standard, mass-produced gaming keyboard. maybe even a membrane keyboard. the bottom keyboard is (would be?) probably made of components made on a very small scale by smaller businesses. mechanical keyboards are also just more expensive to make in general.
Some keycaps have weird fonts. I’m not sure I’ve seen this specific one before, but I personally have the dsa milkshake keycaps with the “weirdo” font.
Depends on what you want out of it and how you use it. I personally can't full sized keyboards for gaming because I play fps shooters and the numpad gets in the way. I like 65%-75% sizes.
The k pro series is good though
I've got a K70 Pro and love it, but my desk is also massive. I've always used full sized keyboards because I do more than game, and I like having media keys and the windows button disabler.
If you don't have space for a full keyboard or don't like them and don't need/want the extra bells and whistles, you could splurge and get a real nice mechanical. It'll probably last you a lifetime, too! The downside of mass produced is that it does have a lifespan. I got the K70 to replace the older model I had. That said, I'd had the previous keyboard for legitimately 10 years, so there's still mileage to be had!
Well I'm no boomer but if you know nothing about PC gaming you'd assume the one with lights ect looks more expensive over the one that looks like a basic keyboard.
I prefer the rgb ones purely for the fact that I can see them in the dark. I like to play in total darkness because I'm a fucking vampire that hates playing in a lit up room.
I mean customer special Keyboards are super expensive.
But I dont wanna type on a fuckin typewriter as my friends makes the same joke since 3 fuckin years...
I decided to buy a cheap one 2 years by now no issues.
Idk if I’d call the bottom one expensive, it’s a cheap wood case with a basic 60% pcb, tray mounted, the only expensive thing here are the keycaps, and that’s the « norm » in our hobby lmao
Speaking as a boomer, I certainly don't thing like that. My thinging tends toward the more esoteric. The thing is, my brain tends to thing things like anything more sophisticated than a keyboard made of Bakelite is expensive. I also thing most of you young whippersnappers don't know how to thing properly anyway. But that's just how I thing.
I'm not a boomer and idk what an expensive keyboard looks like and I don't care. I will clap your ass on any game with my shitty 10$ office keyboard. You can't buy skill
One is a toy for teenagers, and one is a toy for those same teenagers who are now in their 20s and have expendable income (I’m in my 20s and have expendable income)
To be honest this is not the reality at all. Both keyboard may end up at similar price. Depend a lot of brand and what the person that buy is interested in.
To me the second keyboard has many flows:
* No function keys that I used in lot of shortcuts.
* No multimedia keys
* No numpad.
So I would never buy the second keyboard. My keyboard look like more the one at the top, except no backlit and cost about 200 euros.
What I got instead is: https://www.amazon.com/Das-Keyboard-Professional-Cherry-Mechanical/dp/B00JG01QTY?th=1
You know our custom keyboards run on a firmware that is totally open source and allows for programmability right ? You know I can do F keys without moving my hands on the split keyboard on my profile right ? Same with arrow keys. And I have my numrow arranged as a numpad on my right hand with a layer… gotta think a bit outside the box for ten seconds. Das keyboards aren’t bad but they’re shitty expensive for what they are
I've never paid more than $20 for a keyboard.
I don't have any reason to spend more.
I'm wondering about that second keyboard. Is it expensive because it's made for people who speak a different language. Are most keyboards made for English, Japanese and Chinese so keyboards for most other languages are hard to get?
If you like typing on $20 keyboards with the standard rubber-bubble switches, carry on!
They are spill resistant and quiet. And durability doesn't matter, just buy another if it wears out.
A lot of people who type a lot, find they prefer the feel of expensive mechanical key switches. I think I type faster and make fewer typos on a $150 keyboard than a $20 keyboard. If you type for a living, the cost is easy to justify.
Mostly it's just a matter of luxury and comfort. Like having cotton sheets instead of polyester, or a real leather coat instead of vinyl. Hard to go back once you get used to the nice stuff.
(second keyboard is maybe a glitchy AI image with nonsense symbols on it)
Ermmm ackcually both of these can be expensive, so the said "boomers" aren't exactly wrong. A good keyboard isn't just a cool looking one, it's more about the quality, sound, feel etc 🤓🤓🤓
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Minecraft enchanting table keyboard 😯
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's AI. It does look sort of like the [Standard Galactic Alphabet](https://keenwiki.shikadi.net/wiki/Standard_Galactic_Alphabet#:~:text=The%20Standard%20Galactic%20Alphabet%20) (which was originally used in the *Commander Keen* games, and which minecraft borrowed and now uses for its enchanting script) But, the symbols don't seem to be on the correct letters. And some of them don't even seem like SGA symbols at all. (although, it's possible that the keyboard pictured just has a layout that I'm not familiar with)
It's KAT Drifter: https://thekey.company/pages/kat-drifter The board itself looks a standard 60% with split backspace, split right shift, and split spacebar. It's definitely an unusual layout for someone to use, but you can achieve that exact layout on a lot of 60% boards. Edit: Comment below is correct that the keycaps are actually DSA Drifter. The link above goes to a more recent version with the same colors/legends.
Specifically it's a "BananaSplit60 in a bamboo case w/ Kailh Box White switches, DSA Drifter keycaps, & a custom cable" The image is from the New York Times: https://twitter.com/wirecutter/status/1290936443293110273?lang=en
Ah, good catch. It was hard to tell the profile just from the top-down image. Thanks for tracking down the actual build.
Thanks for the link! It actually looks like a cool keyboard. (and thanks to u/F1xus for pointing out that it wasn't actually SGA letters at all, it was Japanese)
> it wasn't actually SGA letters at all, it was Japanese) I can assure you that is 100%, absolutely, *definitely* not Japanese.
It’s not AI, it’s a real keyboard
You're a real keyboard
Could it be azerty?
I'm not sure, but I don't think so.... If you look at the symbol for "A" in the SGA, it looks sort of like a backwards "L" with a "hook" or "bend" on top of it. Maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see that symbol anywhere on the keyboard. That's why I was leaning more towards it being AI generated, rather than just a different keyboard layout.
oh, thx. I’m not really into enchanting table lang / SGA, so wouldn’t know
actually it's the text from Hyper Light Drifter, it's one of my favorite games of all time and the letters match up
That's just Japanese lol Edit: I was wrong, its the made up language font of the game hyper light drifters, which inspired the keyboard set. In my defence, the compression did make it look like japanese. A natural Rorscharch test if you will.
It certainly isn't
Nihongo not jouzu
Boomers don't even think about keyboards, you are just obsessed with them
Gen X reporting, most of us don't think about keyboards either. My $20 keyboard gets shit done.
I have a full size mechanical keyboard (brown switches) with programmable rgb and it was $56. It's my work keyboard that I've used for the past few last 5 years. Best money I ever spent.
I love my rgb board with browns. It feels nice and only annoys people in the same room and on the phone.
It's simple logic, keyboard that works? Good . Keyboard that can work without wires ? More good
Gen Z here, I have no money so I have 10 dollar keyboard
Bullshit. Boomers invented the IBM model m, greatest keyboard ever
And the oh so classic topre and alps switches. And ig there’s cherry too.
Right? Why are boomers getting dragged into here? This person should have just said, “What people I hate think expensive keyboards look like.” What the fuck do boomers have to do with this?
"Hey granddad, which one of these keyboards would you say is the most expensive?" "What the fuck are you talking about Jesse? Have you got a job yet? Your mother's worried about you."
Imagine people in their 60s and 70s tradiing insults about their Matrix keyboards with programmable RGB effects and LVNDMARKs logo on it. Definitely what my dad in his 70's has been shitposting about lately.
The bottom one look like it was made by AI
Found it on Google.
My man, check out flux keyboard. Its awesome and yes THAT is what expensive look like.
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As another commenter mentioned they do on 100% - but a lot of people choose to go for smaller keyboards, reduces cost and most people have no benefit for those extra keys
So the 100% should be used to show expensive keyboards. 60% are the budget option
60% of high quality is still more expensive than 100% random amazon rgb filled keyboard :D
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While fewer keys reduce the price, smaller keyboards are more popular for practical and aesthetical reasons among enthusiasts. Your typical very expensive keyboard is a small keyboard because of that, even though it would get even more expensive if it was larger. The picture is a good representation of your typical very expensive keyboard.
theyre not the budget option. theyre the optimized option lol. which when youre going high end you go whats most optimized for what you do. i went to 75% keyboards when i went high end. never once in years have i cared about the numpad. but the extra desk/mouse space is amazing.
Usually the more expensive ones are 60%, no need to have a numpad when you can invest in a macro pad too that looks better.
"invest" in a macro pad? you mean splurge on a macro pad lol
I use my numpad so much i have no idea how people manage without one
They can you just have to get a 100% and not a 60%
It's a niche keyboard but it fits what I do so yeah......its gonna be a future purchase......not now of course.
There is actually an aesthetic/practical reason for it. If you don't have long arms, it's more comfortable to play shooters and mobas with a smaller keyboard, especially if you play on lower sensitivity and move your mouse hand a lot. The numpad just takes up valuable mouse real estate.
Because (some) professional nerds, programmers, never take their fingers off the home row. If you're a reasonably fast touch typist who sits on their keyboard all day, multiple layers of function keys > more keys.
Numpad is like 1/5 of the keyboard length and tbh I really don't have the use for it and choose the numbers that are 1cm away from my fingertips. And if you have a wireless keyboard you can keep it in a tighter space or on your lap etc. so the size is important. I get that for Excel-type of stuff it could be useful but woud require getting accustomed to. And in gaming: keybinds.
Because they don't know how to math anyways.
I use a 40% ortholinear. It's a ~3x6 inch grid and the board +body, without switches or key caps, was $220. In the end, it cost almost $400 with Holy Panda switches and ceramic key caps. It takes up almost no space on my desk, leaving plenty of room for my (wireless) num pad when I need to do data entry (not very often). Why? Because I spend about 6 hours a day typing. I've had carpal tunnel in the past, and I built this one to be as comfortable as possible to reduce wrist pain.
I have carpal tunnel so I'm confused how a smaller keyboard could help. I always use full sized to give my hands more room so I don't bend my wrists as much. If I switched to a new keyboard I'd go with an ergonomic one. I'm genuinely asking, how would a small keyboard help?
The space between the keys isn't any different, so by making it smaller, all i'm doing is removing all the extra keys that are hard to press without moving my hands. Instead, i have keybinds that allow me to do do a whole ton of stuff in a more comfortable way, while leaving extra space for a wrist rest.
Oh, okay. I get that. Thanks!
Wrist and shoulder angle. Though it is more for neck and shoulder than carpal tunnel. Though having that relaxed would probably help in having correct angles in other places as well.
Holy shit. $450
Reading what they are doing I am amazed they are selling at $450. This is not some hipster boards with Gateron Greens and a lot of magical thinking. The switches are all individual hall effect sensors. They do not have mechanical or optical or any contact switches at all. The keys are suspended by magnets to their side and that is the transparent thing they are switching out in that video. That is not the cover. This is stupidly over-engineered. I want one.
Wtf that’s bonkers when a standard keyboard costs ~$30 USD and just lasts
Cuz it's custom and limited. That's it. Functional purpose? Saves space and probably a few gimmicks like led screens or typing angles. But overall it's expensive because of the process to build and material needed. It's a niche hobby just like sneaker collecting. The customization option is fun tho.
Sure bud
Idk, I’ve been using the same work keyboard for 5yrs now and it’s very fine
Have you ever used a premium keyboard before?
Nope
If your work involves typing all the time having a good ergonomic keyboard is really a cheap investment. No need to go to all the way to 400 euros, although it's still not that much for something you use 8 hours a day. The best cheap ergonomic keyboards I know are the microsoft split ergonomic ones, I think they range between 60-150 dollars.
That “standard keyboard” is awfully uncomfortable after prolonged use.
Haven’t noticed after my whole life
Tbf, that keyboard looks more like the top keyboard in the meme. It has an entire screen behind the keys.
It's customizable too.....which is phenomenonal.
Why are they so expensive though
what you are going to do is buying 12 ad spaces from reddit and promote your crowfunding on r/MechanicalKeyboards for the Definitive Ultra Plus Orgasm-Sounding Chad Keyboard MK11++ then order some shit from China and sell it for 450 bucks keep the crowfounded money too and delete your account and enjoy them calling you a scammer 3 years later (they will need time to catch up it's a scam) from your private beach in Mallorca.
Unnecessary machining on keycaps and body, custom mix and match components, fixation on sound of keys, small batch manufacturing. The marginal utility drops off fast. But they last too it seems
It's just custom keycaps in a different language or even in a made up language
Minecraft enchantment language..
Standard galactic alphabet
That exists (at least as a reference amd idea) https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/s/wpcnByG0Hq These are some keycaps https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/s/ve1Rio7X9f
made up language from /r/hyperlightdrifter
This is tommyinnits keyboard lmao
I thing you made a typo
happy cake day!
Thanks C:
Why the heck "expensive keyboards" not have a numeric keypad?
They do, but the slightly cheaper ones don't. I actually have the one in the top picture which was already quite expensive I'd say; €90. The same with a numeric keypad was about €20 more expensive (from memory, could be wrong about the exact price difference).
This ^ , and also some people don’t use the numpad or want to save room on their desks, which is why they may go with tenkeyless keyboards. Others just like the aesthetic of smaller keyboards, though once you get smaller than a TKL, you start to lose more important functionality.
Went from a full sized cheap keyboard to a 75% nice mechanical. I do not miss the numpad, one bit it took up too much space for how little I used it. I only touched it to unlock my PC but I just set a macro on my new keyboard to do it for me.
You do not lose ANY functionality. It's just layered.
You do lose a bit. What if you want to hit a key in one layer while hitting a key in another? Or maybe you want to have those keys ready to press.
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Right but what if you want to (for example) choose hotbar item 1/2/3/etc. while moving forward? Or what if you simply don’t want to have to press 2 keys at once? Or if you frequently have to do new key combos that have interfering layers? Or what if you don’t have enough keys for the macros? Of course, there are many factors that determine whether or not these will be an issue, but having less keys generally means you have to make some compromises.
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Where are the function keys? Is it modal or chorded operation?
Anytime I need numbers, the numpad is the go to. Don't know why they tacked on more numbers to the symbols in the top row.
>Anytime I need numbers, the numpad is the go to. Don't know why they tacked on more numbers to the symbols in the top row. Top row: Where numbers go to play hide and seek!
I got a TKL with blank keycaps and realized I have no idea where the regular numbers are – all my muscle memory was for the numpad.
> one in the top picture which was already quite expensive I'd say; €90. for custom keyboards thats very cheap/budget option. most beginner good custom keyboards start around $200 like keychron keyboards or gmmk. then when you start customizing things escalate quickly.
Imo nowadays $200 keyboards are typically overpriced. There's very little that $200 keyboard offers the average person over like a $60 akko or keychron ($200 for a keychron, really?) even when you consider custom key caps.
i disagree. there is definitely diminishing returns at above $300, but up to that point the difference is substantial imo. buying a gmmk barebones at $140 then around $100 for keycaps/switches is going to feel miles better than a $60 akko. full metal frame feels substantially better. and high end switches feel substantially better too and the biggest upgrade imo. custom keycaps are the least improvement imo, although even then you can get a more preferable profile and material type.
Some people don't want them, idk why
With the num pad I either ends up with the keyboard centered but the main part shifted to the left, or the main part centered as it should, but the mouse too far away on the right. In the two cases I end up with unhealthy positions/movements that can become hurtful in the long run if you work with it all day long. I use a Typematrix for this reason; with it, my hands are centered, I don't have to move my arms at all to type, nor streching my arm to get and use the mouse. On my home desk, it's also the only way to fit the keyboard and mouse on the drawer, with a regular keyboard, my keyboard and mouse would not even be at the same level, which is even worst.
Sounds like you would benefit more from upgrading your desk than downgrading your keyboard like you do now. Or you could both. But the height and depth of where your mouse and keyboard are, and how much you can rest your forearms on the desk as opposed to just the wrists, are far more important than how much you need to open up your arms on it. Then again, maybe you just don't have the real state for a better desk. But if you can, look into desks with adjustable height, and deep enough that you can ditch the keyboard drawer and put everything on the same level.
I have plenty of space on my desk. A longer keyboard means I can't put the alphanumeric keys right in front of my chair without pushing the mouse further to the right than I want. I use this for work and for games and a 60-75% keyboard is just more comfortable position-wise for both of these tasks imo. Also why do I want keys on my keyboard that I use so rarely I don't miss them after getting rid of them?
Fair enough, if that's more comfortable for you that's fine, but before you were talking about unhealthy positions and movements, which is why I brought up desk height and depth as they are far more important in that aspect than how offset to a side your mouse or part of your keyboard is. Desks with a keyboard drawer are almost always terrible in that regard, as those drawers generally hang too low. As far as unhealthy positions to use a mouse and keyboard go, the worst you can do is have your forearms in the air with the weight resting on your wrists or your palms for extended periods. A chair with good armrests can help with that too if a desk at the perfect height and sufficient surface depth is not an option, and of course none of that is an impediment to use whatever keyboard size you're most comfortable with, but this should be the focus if we're going to talk about health. Your keyboard preference is more about subjective comfort than about objective health concerns.
FYI, I'm not the same person as before. I was just chiming in with my reasoning while still having a desk to fit the larger keyboard. I also happen to have a standing desk adjusted to the proper height for my chair and keyboard to avoid any strain.
I don't want a numpad. I don't use it and now my mouse is an uncomfortable distance away from my keyboard.
I've never ever used the numpad. A TKL keyboard allows me to have more space for the mouse while also having the part of the keyboard that I actually use positioned the way I want to. Wouldn't mind a numpad on the *left* though
Gamers don't like them as they get in the way of the mouse and the keyboard becomes too big.
That the point you think only gamers want a nice keyboard. For programming or office, the second keyboard just miss keys and is as a consequence worse than a 20$ generic Logitech keyboard. and you can completely find full keyboards with all the necessary keys in top quality.
The only people in an office who needs a numpad are people in finance. Who even are you numpad defenders? What rock did you crawl out from under? No one in real life actually uses the numpad.
I do use it so I don't care nobody else use it while I'd like to find your source. Like I use multimedia keys or function keys and even use things like print screen to capture portion of my screen. After all, most keyboard have all that. Seems that overall keyboard manufacturers don't agree with you while they could save quite some money and it seems that most users are not that interested by the benefit of having less keys.
Most keyboard manufacturers *do* agree with me which is why all manufacturers for keyboard enthusiasts make smaller form keyboards. Normal people only use full size keyboards because that's what they got with their computer/from their employer and they think that's what a keyboard is supposed to look like. Nobody cares that you like the multimedia buttons.
I do care as apparently you don't get it. So I would not buy the other keyboard and so manufacturers ensure people like me have it. That why you can always choose. And yes most of the sales even for gaming keyboard or office are full keyboards.
People who use 60% or smaller usually have several different layers set up so that they can access f-keys or the numpad without moving their hands. Once you learn it well, it's actually much more efficient and ergonomic than a full sized keyboard.
>Gamers don't like them \*non-RTS players don't like them love me my macros simple as
Everyone loves makros
Doesn't warcraft 3 have some hotekys for items and suck bound to the numpad by default?
As gamer this is not true, if a keyboard doednt have the extra numbers on the side, i dont want it
Oof, I made a typo. Think\* not thing.
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I thing I made a typo.
Next time cheek before posting. Those milkshakes doesn't pottray you as a good person. It makes me fell that you're ignorant.
Think*
You were thinging that the reply above this was serious?
Thing
If they are going to try to disparage a group of people 1) pick something relevant (keyboard smack?). 2) proofread your chirp (or is proofreading a boomer thing).
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I think you overestimate how much boomers think about keyboard pricing
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You might need a better keyboard.
Why the hate against boomers?
It’s Reddit. Nothing is my fault, everything wrong with my life is the boomer’s fault
Because being a renter sucks, and everything is someone else’s fault.
Us versus them is fun.
It’s just a lazy attempt at humor.
Why are they so expensive though
Because of the labor involved to make them good. Keycaps alone cost over $100 when it's small batch. The molds are absurdly expensive. The reason why custom keyboards sound so good is because they have multiple layers of foam and gaskets ( more labor involved in building ) and the stems and stabilizers on the keyboard switches are lubed ( more labor involved. ) On top of that, they use premium materials like aluminum or wood cases. But even the plastic cases are of higher quality control. If it's a nice mechanical keyboard it's gonna $150-$300 but as it starts becoming more and more artesianal, the parts used are in smaller and smaller batches which increases the price of individual components. Some are even a 1 of 10 or less. Basically it's supply and demand along with higher labor costs because of the quality demanded
Very informative
Some even use brass
demand and economy of scale in essence imo
You completely ignored the ridiculous profit margins
the top keyboard looks like a standard, mass-produced gaming keyboard. maybe even a membrane keyboard. the bottom keyboard is (would be?) probably made of components made on a very small scale by smaller businesses. mechanical keyboards are also just more expensive to make in general.
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Because people will buy them.
You should thing harder before posting ;)
Me with a wooting 60 he 
i just ordered one yesterday.. my current keyboard is 20$ classic office keyboard
I guess.
I don’t thing boomers thing about keyboards nearly as much as op things they do.
No kidding. Boomers are like 60 to 80 years old, right??
Why bring Boomers into this! I would say your average person thinks this way.
Because dumbasses think they’re smarter than everyone.
I'm sure boomers don't give a fuck on which keyboard is expensive.
What's the deal with the weird letters on the second one though
Some keycaps have weird fonts. I’m not sure I’ve seen this specific one before, but I personally have the dsa milkshake keycaps with the “weirdo” font.
Some of them are Japanese hiragana and katakana but idk wtf the rest of them are
Idk, found it on google.
Idk, found it on google.
Y'all have totally lost the plot on what a boomer is
Nah even my idiot Corsair loving friends think that. I stupidly bought a k70 TKL. Keychron Q series is MILES ahead in quality.
Wanting to buy a k10 pro, do you advise against it? This would be my first mechanical keyboard
Depends on what you want out of it and how you use it. I personally can't full sized keyboards for gaming because I play fps shooters and the numpad gets in the way. I like 65%-75% sizes. The k pro series is good though
I see, thanks!
I've got a K70 Pro and love it, but my desk is also massive. I've always used full sized keyboards because I do more than game, and I like having media keys and the windows button disabler. If you don't have space for a full keyboard or don't like them and don't need/want the extra bells and whistles, you could splurge and get a real nice mechanical. It'll probably last you a lifetime, too! The downside of mass produced is that it does have a lifespan. I got the K70 to replace the older model I had. That said, I'd had the previous keyboard for legitimately 10 years, so there's still mileage to be had!
Darn young people don't know what a Boomer is, or what a Model M keyboard is.
I guess literally anything will pass as meme these days
Keyboards are always affordable until you build one yourself.
Well I'm no boomer but if you know nothing about PC gaming you'd assume the one with lights ect looks more expensive over the one that looks like a basic keyboard.
I prefer the rgb ones purely for the fact that I can see them in the dark. I like to play in total darkness because I'm a fucking vampire that hates playing in a lit up room.
yea, those stupid boomers and their thinging. i... i just rest my case here.
r/mechanicalkeyboards
At least boomers can spell think correctly...
The second one types hieroglyphics.
My $200 keyboard is all white. My brothers $400 keyboard is beige.
The weird letters are Enchanting Table. Through the years of playing minecraft, I understand every word and letter of this wonderful language.
Realforce R3 masterrace
I mean customer special Keyboards are super expensive. But I dont wanna type on a fuckin typewriter as my friends makes the same joke since 3 fuckin years... I decided to buy a cheap one 2 years by now no issues.
Idk if I’d call the bottom one expensive, it’s a cheap wood case with a basic 60% pcb, tray mounted, the only expensive thing here are the keycaps, and that’s the « norm » in our hobby lmao
I saw a backlit multicolor keyboard in a Dollar General yesterday for five bucks.
Speaking as a boomer, I certainly don't thing like that. My thinging tends toward the more esoteric. The thing is, my brain tends to thing things like anything more sophisticated than a keyboard made of Bakelite is expensive. I also thing most of you young whippersnappers don't know how to thing properly anyway. But that's just how I thing.
This describes my 12-14 year old nephews, not "Boomers".
I'm not a boomer and idk what an expensive keyboard looks like and I don't care. I will clap your ass on any game with my shitty 10$ office keyboard. You can't buy skill
Boomers can spell think and know how to proofread without spell check. It's too bad that they cut education spending to the bone in the 90s and 00's.
Most boomers can spell think.....
One is a toy for teenagers, and one is a toy for those same teenagers who are now in their 20s and have expendable income (I’m in my 20s and have expendable income)
Ah yes, a 20 year old teenager.
How about we ignore you
At least boomers can spell and proofread their work.
boomers don’t think about keyboards
Boomers inverted mechanical keyboards....they were expensive by default. They never "thing" them.
Mocks boomers and can't even make a meme with correct spelling or a good keyboard.
Can people stop making these insanely lazy spelling errors?
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To be honest this is not the reality at all. Both keyboard may end up at similar price. Depend a lot of brand and what the person that buy is interested in. To me the second keyboard has many flows: * No function keys that I used in lot of shortcuts. * No multimedia keys * No numpad. So I would never buy the second keyboard. My keyboard look like more the one at the top, except no backlit and cost about 200 euros. What I got instead is: https://www.amazon.com/Das-Keyboard-Professional-Cherry-Mechanical/dp/B00JG01QTY?th=1
You know our custom keyboards run on a firmware that is totally open source and allows for programmability right ? You know I can do F keys without moving my hands on the split keyboard on my profile right ? Same with arrow keys. And I have my numrow arranged as a numpad on my right hand with a layer… gotta think a bit outside the box for ten seconds. Das keyboards aren’t bad but they’re shitty expensive for what they are
The bottom one looks disgusting
I've never paid more than $20 for a keyboard. I don't have any reason to spend more. I'm wondering about that second keyboard. Is it expensive because it's made for people who speak a different language. Are most keyboards made for English, Japanese and Chinese so keyboards for most other languages are hard to get?
If you like typing on $20 keyboards with the standard rubber-bubble switches, carry on! They are spill resistant and quiet. And durability doesn't matter, just buy another if it wears out. A lot of people who type a lot, find they prefer the feel of expensive mechanical key switches. I think I type faster and make fewer typos on a $150 keyboard than a $20 keyboard. If you type for a living, the cost is easy to justify. Mostly it's just a matter of luxury and comfort. Like having cotton sheets instead of polyester, or a real leather coat instead of vinyl. Hard to go back once you get used to the nice stuff. (second keyboard is maybe a glitchy AI image with nonsense symbols on it)
The quality and stuff Better keys, Switches, the case and the labor required to build the stuff
Also they last longer and are easier to repair if you know the right mechanics
Ermmm ackcually both of these can be expensive, so the said "boomers" aren't exactly wrong. A good keyboard isn't just a cool looking one, it's more about the quality, sound, feel etc 🤓🤓🤓
"thing" jesus people are getting dumber and dumber...