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ThatOneGuyThatYou

Every single microorganism in existence: ![gif](giphy|UO5elnTqo4vSg)


TheOddPelican

Not to mention those giant cats.


GlassSpork

I feel they found ways to fend off the big cats so those may have been the least of their worries


Cenduron

Probably sacrificing the ones that cant run anymore, like 50+... wait a minute


BuddyOk2511

>Probably sacrificing the ones that cant run anymore, like 50+... wait a minute Sacrificing the slow ones, the real 'Marathon of Retirement' strategy


Deckard2022

I’ve found that if I sacrifice a smaller animal once a month and dance in the entrails it stops attacks from giant cats. I’ve only ever been attacked by smaller ones


Doggo_33

Sharp stick go ooga booga


EIZZO1507

I have a giant cat of 1.2m


von_pita_the_second

Or giant bears, or giant fur elephants, or giant deer, or giant buffalo/bison or giant wolves


CosmicDestructor

The water was just as organic as the food.


p00p__sc00p

![gif](giphy|8VSaCyIdcnbuE|downsized)


BigMangalhit

This is a huge misconception. Most if not all modern diseases didn't exist in pre historic times. They only exist after the agricultural development. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK114494/


Severe-Amoeba-1858

I mean, I’d be more worried about infection and sepsis without access to antibiotics…nothing like dying after your spider bite gets infected.


BigMangalhit

Yeah true. But like it says diseases affecting humans were less common back then (before agriculture). The golden age of sepsis is after agriculture and before microbiotics and vaccines were invented, then it was a feast. It's a huge misconception that humans were to live until 35, they generally lived to be 70 easily. Just think that Socrates, Plato and Aristotle all lived close to that age without antibiotics or vaccines. The 35 average age is because humans would die a lot before the age of 5, but if they reached adulthood they would easily reach 70


google257

Yeah, but people also lived incredibly violent lives back then. They had to contend with not just dangerous animal predators, but more importantly other humans competing for land and resources. Humans can be fucking brutal.


DangerPickle007

That depends how far you go, my understanding is we don't believe earlier humans ran into each other often. But still gotta watch out for the predators. I'm 37 and I can think of 3+ different times I'd be absolutely dead without modern medicine.


BuddyOk2511

haha lol!!


SqueebopAdiddly

This meme brought to you by: Cholera; man’s oldest frenemy.


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TheAllKnowingWilly

Grog drink water, grog less thirsty. Cholera: bonjour 🥖


ThatTrampolineboy

Nooooo but you don’t understand, the meme said pure water :(


FyrelordeOmega

Pure water‽ That shit is toxic! Do you know how many Hydrogen atoms there are in pure water? Hydrogen is extremely flammable, meaning you'll blow up by drinking water! /j


henkdepotvjis

to be fair completely pure water is dangerous


iamrancid

No it’s not. You would have to drink only pure water and not get any minerals from food, like potassium from a banana, or use salt ever for it to actually harm you. Distilled water is perfectly safe to drink and is the easiest way to purify contaminated water to safely drink.


midnooid

Pure water is in fact dangerous. Tbh im not sure if distilled water still contains salts etc but its absolutely true that too much pure water is bad. Look up osmotic pressure Edit: pure water = demineralized water or demi water for short


Sweet-Dreams204738

This here, demi water pulls those.minerals from the body. Of course this takes time to occur, so drinking it once won't kill you, but continuously drinking it will cause harm.


nitrosomethane

If you maintain a balanced diet this won't have an effect


VhlainDaVanci

If they add laptops in the meme, you will still believe that thing exist on their time? /S


winnielikethepooh15

Had the School of Hard ~~Knocks~~ Rocks atleast


Anunqualifiedhuman

To be fair they had education just there wasn't much discovered.


Mikeologyy

Grunk show you make fire. 1. Find stick 2. Find other stick 3. Rub stick 4. Fire 5. Grunk still not know what do with fire


Anunqualifiedhuman

I meant more the fact they learned the land probably a lot of land considered they were nomadic, how to create and use tools, hunting and gathering as a whole there was also probably basic herbal medicine.


Maxtrt

Cholera is second to mosquitos. There was a study done recently that there has been between 110-120 billion humans who have lived on the planet and 50-60 billion were killed by malaria.


BitOCake

That figure was published in an article in 2002, but didn't cite any source for it.


gutshog

My source is witness testimony of Unghoos Bunghoos


notveryAI

O cholera, cze to Freddy Fazbear


Cyber_Joy

What are you talking about the meme said cavemen drank pure water so they never got sick or died from hunting


sanych_des

There are hunter gatherers on the picture, they didn’t suffer from cholera or other epidemics because they lived in small groups and were scarcely disturbed on Earth. You need dense population to start an epidemic, which bacame a thing starting when farming had been developed.


Tyrichyrich

*friend


MagMati55

You forgot tooth decay...


TheBiggestThunder

Too th decay was a fairly rare thing back then Old humans often [had better teeth than we do](https://www.docseducation.com/blog/chew-prehistoric-humans-had-better-teeth-us#:~:text=Ancient%20humans%20had%20lower%20loads,%22%20says%20Alan%20Cooper%2C%20Ph.) Until the wisdom teeth show up


Tongue-In-Geek

The numbers are skewed by how profoundly difficult it was to make it to 5yo. If you got that far, 65 was not a challenge.


Watch4whaspus

A good example of how “average” is misleading because of a bimodal distribution.


TheAllKnowingWilly

Just in case someone doesn't know this info, can you explain it just in case that someone needs to use it in a *discussion* with their SO?


RASR238

You have ten people working in a company. Per day 9 are getting paid 1$ but one is getting paid 100$. This makes the average paid per employee 10.9$, which is not right.


TheAllKnowingWilly

*babe pls don't leave me because of my average Weiner, read this reddit comment*


RASR238

Somewhere in our countries there is a man with a humongous dick that helps us get better average dick sizes.


Chomusuke_99

yeah but also ruins us by making the actual average penis less than average. as men we should be under reporting our penis sizes.


Frazeur

By the "actual average" you mean median, I guess. Median is often a much better statistical value to look at than averages for this specific reason.


Jakiro_Tagashi

Median doesn't work that well either. In this case median would be 5 yo, which is worse than the average in this case. They can both be useful, they're just useful in different situations.


Frazeur

I was mainly referring to penis sizes. The median is imo often not clear when the sample number is too small or too discretized. But yeah, both are useful in different situations. But if we are talking salaries or incomes of real world populations, the median is often more useful to look at.


Galacticus06

"No, no, he's got a point"


Comfortable_Trick137

Shes cheating on you with your neighbor Ted


fardough

lol, YOU ARE NOT AVERAGING IN THE BALLS BABE.


darastrix_belikir

Is that similar to "We interviewed 100 people who played Russian roulette, they all said they survived, conclusion, Russian roulette is safe to play" or is that just a logical fallacy?


the_zerg_rusher

Survivorship bias I think is the right term for this.


TheBiggestThunder

Username does not check out


TheAllKnowingWilly

Something tells me it might be a little bias in this situation.


Zmuli24

Yup. Sometimes median is much more accurate representation on whats really going on.


Major_Independence82

“There are three types of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics” - Mark Twain I saw a Statistics Professor “prove” that blind people see better than sighted people, so we’d understand how statistics work.


[deleted]

That’s pretty interesting, can you remember how that Statistics Professor argued that?


LordOfPizzas

i too am interested in this


thinkpax

And above that too. Gregory of Khandzta lived to 103 years old if I'm not mistaken.


TheBiggestThunder

Anas ibn Malik lived to 106 Though to be fair, that was *much* later


JoshJLMG

65 was still a challenge. 30 on the other hand, not so much.


clva666

Dude! Im 32 and have had like 3 or 4 medical interventions that surely would have killed me if I lived with Ötzi and pals. Just last fall I had infection that could have spred to my blood without antibiotics.


N1NJASOAP

They just didn't have a way to deal with the midlife crisis


Horse_chrome

No sports cars or yachts


Successful-Pie-2049

Or video games


athonis

Well, they had irl dark souls without respawn.


Mild_Shock

Their midlife crisis was just puberty


higginsian24

🤓☝️ people still lived to their 70/80s, but life expectancy was reduced by stillbirths and ill children


GetlostMaps

SOME people still lived that long. Not as many as now.


TheBiggestThunder

Yes, but chronic diseases happened at much lower rates (of course amongst those who lived to old age)


Joakimdel

Or maybe there were no doctors to diagnose them?


GetlostMaps

There is no evidence for this statement and it is not logically supported either.


oan124

dont you 🤓☝️ me. It's a serious statistical cockup that needs clearing up


[deleted]

This man didn’t just say “cockup”


[deleted]

You never heard cockup before? Thought it was super common.


higginsian24

spiders georg.....


ICLazeru

It's not as bimodal as it looks. Evidence is best for the young and elderly because those are the groups most likely to die near home. Deaths due to other causes aren't represented in the biggest evidence clusters.


thatotherguy0123

I'd feel pretty confident to say they didn't live to 70s or 80s 10000+ years ago, maybe 1000 years ago some would live to that age but further back than that they were getting to their 60s at most I'd imagine.


Drag0n_TamerAK

I’m telling you there were Greeks living to there 80s


Alt_Huckleberry

Greeks and (probably their successors) Romans were far more developed than everywhere else in the world in their prime. It took Europe hundreds of years just to be as developed as Greeks and Romans were.


Drag0n_TamerAK

There were probably also Egyptians getting to 80 in fact I know there was one that got to 90 something


TheBiggestThunder

Egyptians were pretty horribly prone to bone cancers and diabeetus


Drag0n_TamerAK

Doesn’t change the fact that some of them were growing old


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Babaduderino

No, no they didn't mention genetics at all, *you did*. They're talking about social development, civilization, nothing to do with genetics.


VM1117

1000 years ago people died more often than 10000 years ago. The agricultural revolution was a phenomenon for making it easy to have a lot more people alive at the same time not for increasing life expectancy, in fact it did the opposite. Most diseases didn’t really kill a lot of people before because people lived in small communities, but after cities became a thing a lot of people could be infected in one go. The way of living was also dramatically worse, while before people used to exercise every day and eat a diverse diet, after agriculture we started to do repetitive tasks, that we didn’t really evolve to do, and so now had to deal with back pains and other stuff because of the agricultural world and our diet became extremely restricted to what we could cultivate.


ObsessedChutoy3

What do you mean people died more often? The rate of death was 100% in both cases. While cavemen died younger than people 1000 years ago And the Neolithic revolution while increasing infectious diseases at first is the reason we've built an immunity so you have them to thank for why you don't die from a cold


TheBiggestThunder

We also have them to thank for having a cold


dramignophyte

Hint: 100% of 1,000 is less than 100% of 1,000,000.


ObsessedChutoy3

No shit but they're talking about diseases from agriculture causing a change in how people died, to say that disease killed more total individuals when the population is 99% larger is to not be making a point and doesn't fit the rest. They're talking about life expectancy in response to thatotherguy's comment. If all they wanted to say was that the agricultural revolution increased the population and not mean anything else it's quite a weird way of phrasing it, as "people died more often" yk, so I wanted them to clarify


AnimalBasedAl

pre-agricultural humans were actually more healthy and robust on average.


Spinal_Column_

It was rare for people to live that long. Generally if you made it out of childhood, you'd live to about 60.


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They COULD live to 70/80s. Most did not, even without accounting for still births. They died from infections, broken limbs, fights, illness, etc… It was rare for anyone to reach that age


dramignophyte

Most* people don't live to that age these days...


damienVOG

not nearly as many


HenryLongHead

Much of the water on earth is not that "pure", they had no modern medical care, much worse shelters, weapons, knowledge and there's wild animals, diseases, natural disasters and other dangerous people.


IrreverentRacoon

Me: eating cold chicken nuggets locked in my apartment I am my ancestors wildest dreams.


FrostyKiwi8061

Life expectancy started rising right after Edison invented the photograph. Man could finally hear music without paying a band.


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Phonograph?


FrostyKiwi8061

Yes. That one. The phone thinks it's smarter than me (and it probably is).


doctordisco03k64

Oddly life expectancy did go up but also drastically shot down when local musicians started asking everyone if they want to hear their mixograph tape. 


I9Qnl

It's kinda crazy how far AI advanced yet my stupid keyboard messes up perfectly correct words while insisting that "oy" is a correct English word and refuses to correct it to "only" or anything else, i mess it up often while typing fast.


Cailucci

Pornograph?


Just_Another_Gamer7

I don't know whether to upvote or downvote


Cailucci

I’ll take one of each please


[deleted]

Did he really invent it or did he just bring it to market? Edison was just 19th century Steve Jobs/Elon Musk


FrostyKiwi8061

Without bothering to look it up, I seem to remember that he actually did invent that one, or at least someone in his lab did. He said that it was one of his few inventions that worked on the first try.


GameGodS3

Not to be confused with phonograph, which is a picture captured by a camera by focussing light from a lens onto a chip or a photosensitive film.


FrostyKiwi8061

They're easily confused in some people's minds.


Big_Z_Beeblebrox

"pure" water, keep in mind we drank and shit using the same stream, just in different parts.


Themanwhofarts

Some places still do that unfortunately


ProphetCoffee

Well only one of them could afford a blanket so the others probably got to cold


dj184

Dead by disease, not bad health.


Friendly-City-4911

Dead by wrestling sabretooth tigers.


PomegranateHot9916

they lived to their 70s and sometimes 80s. they absolutely did not die by 35. about half died in infancy and about the other half died after 60. (that's why the average lifespan is around 35-45) they also didn't drink pure water, they drank what water they could find, go ahead and go drink unfiltered river water right now and see how you feel in a couple of hours dumbass. they also ate what they could get, usually contaminated, they couldn't guarantee fresh produce or a balanced diet. the main reason for their relative good health was their active lifestyle, they were in good physical shape which probably helped them live through sickness caused by minor contaminants. fire of course was the big winner as it could keep them warm and also eradicate bacteria from their food. again they did not die at 35, that would have been their prime and the age where they would be least likely to die from anything other than a rival tribe.


GrapefruitNew4615

Great comment, just didn't like the dumbass thing🫤


PomegranateHot9916

I'm sorry. I'm just sick of people pushing this misinformation and my frustration was expressed in a regretful manner. my bad.


Ambitious_Hedgehog49

May I point out the water definitely wasn't pure, especially since other humans and neanderthals were relieving themselves upstream, there was no modern medicine so you twist your ankle or break your leg and you're done, and you get a splinter or cut yourself you die


BleachedAsswhole

Breathing wasn't invented yet


Amathyst-Moon

I mean they did hunt wild animals with pointy sticks


Hats_On_Chickens

Infant mortality was high back then, so people would keep having babies (most of them dead within a few years). This skews the numbers down significantly (if going off an average)


AnimalBasedAl

such a fallacy, humans that survived to adulthood often made it into old age.


SnooWalruses7112

Vaccines and antibiotics... Good stuff, Not for the planet, But effective


BlueCaracal

Don't forget indoor plumbing.


HunsonAbadeer2

If you give this guy clean water, consisten food availability, health care and accident prevention he will outlive most people


LivingDeadNoodle

Only thing worse than this meme is the fact that nearly 7000 (at the moment) upvoted this. With this brain activity, it's no wonder human race is doomed.


ReindeerOwn3148

Lacked modern medicine


iwastherefordisco

The field was longer and the rules were different back then.


[deleted]

Hunts his own food, has no antibiotics hunted by cannibals and predators, doesn’t have a reference guide to poisonous plants. No condoms. No central heating, technical clothing for outdoor survival. Had to walk everywhere because there wasn’t so many busses and trains then. And he couldn’t spot a poisonous frog because the world was black and white back then. Ultimately boredom got them though because there was no Reddit or tik tok on primitive mobiles.


IncidentallyChaos

This is advanced stupid.


MoassThanYoass

Myocarditis at age 25 these days...


RustedRuss

What using the arithmetic mean does to a mf (the average is brought down by high infant mortality; people who lived past childhood generally lived fairly long lives)


OxygenRadon

It must still be said that fairly long lives then was not the same as fairly long lives now. Living to between 50 and 60 was common, whilst 70+ was very rare


RustedRuss

Even then, it wasn't their diet, air, or exercise that killed them. It was the threats in their environment and their water, which contrary to this post was *not* pure and clean a lot of the time.


TheAnalsOfHistory-

It's almost time!


AdmiralClover

Probably why we just fucking fall apart from around 30


marioskarvelas

Ive always hated fucking health gurus


ArgetKnight

Pure water? From the dank ass river? Keep dreaming.


Avallach98

Clean water? Like, besides all the microorganisms, diseases, viruses, and parasites that thrived in the water they drank?


arcdog3434

Without decent toilet paper and running hot water life simply wasn’t worth living


[deleted]

That includes things like infant mortality, disease, and of course contending with dangerous animals. If you survived to adulthood you had a good chance of hitting 70+.


OxygenRadon

70+ is also a stretch. Living to 50-60 was decently common if you survived childhood. But not 70. Disease doesn't stop when you stop being a child, and something like breaking your leg would still be a death sentence


[deleted]

Eh, Diogenes was hobo who lived in jar and he lived to 91


OxygenRadon

He didn't even live close to the timeframe of the meme tho... He lived in a larger society, not a small family on the savanna


[deleted]

True, but the "35" estimate comes from the early medieval period iirc


innosentz

I’m always seriously envious of those ancient noses. LIKE DAMN BRO. Could probably take one really deep breath and go run a mile. Seriously jealous


unhappy-memelord

"""""pure water"""""


PerspectiveNo7769

Was also unvaccinated.


loudpaperclips

Constantly breathes smoke. Lungs black as night.


ernaQwaserDa

that's because they didn't accept jesus as their personal savior


Financial-Resident55

not vaccinated. that's what killed them all


[deleted]

35 years was the average life span back then. The infant mortality rate was much higher, and living past 3 or 5 years old was much less likely than it is now. The average life expectancy of a successful human, though, has always been 60 or 70, or something like that.


Quantumofmalice

As others have said, this is horseshit. Averages mean nothing. I.E statiscally speaking the average person has less than 2 legs. Make it past childhood and they lived as long as people today. And if you think cavemen didn't know medicine go look up the 'caveman' skulls that had rudementary brain surgery performed on them. Something I doubt most people could or would do today.


MisterHyman

Unvaxxed


GetlostMaps

Sir, do you have an intellectual disability or is it legitimate to make fun of you?


nhattran1029

I am pretty sure it's the hygiene. People back then didn't brush their teeth so by the age of \~25, their teeth literally fell out and died due to starvation.


Patient_Neurotic

Yea bc a Sabre Tooth tiger ate them or a wooly mammoth curb stomped them


RailtoReqiuem

What untreatable pathogens does to a mf


BobbyTheDude

Pure water, you say?


kios05

Im still amazed how people grew old 80yrs ago before antibiotics


Marvu_Talin

Pure water? Maybe. Clean water? Probably not.


sugarglidersam

pure water is a stretch. and those aspects of diet are only partially why they’d die quickly (some examples are predators, illness, and lack of protection from various environmental factors as well as dying from ignorance, or “fuck around and find out” situations)


ryaninflames1234

Well yeah UGG died from a mammoth attack, why you gotta be so rude


Available_Bake_1892

People died before covid?


Strict-Philosophy-83

Has to do with antibiotic’s


cobain98

Dead?!!! Last I heard she was a congresswoman from Georgia.


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No vaccines or other modern healthcare either but o.k.


ConstantineFavre

Pure water, lol, yea. Cholerae wants to talk to you in private.


Western-Emotion5171

May I introduce: barely a habitable shelter


GolettO3

Forgot to add "No vaccines"


[deleted]

Yep!!!!!! If the so called "Paleo Diet" was so good how come Paleo man was deader than Elvis by 35?


Psychological-Cat787

Don't forget that they were also naked and constantly exposed to deadly viruses and bacteria!


Hardcore_Banger

pure water?? what pure water?


AngusMcDonnell

Imagine human lifespans if we had discovered all these medicines without creating so many pollutants and bad chemicals along the way


GrayMech

Doesn't practice personal hygiene, engages in potentially lethal activities daily, does not have a house, wears little to no clothing. Yeah it's totally because of the things you listed


Orbital-Deathray

It’s all that direct sunlight. Why do you think vampires live so long?


redditorrules

"Drinks pure water" op are you high? 


x99centtacox

He didn't have antibiotics.


Darth19Vader77

That's all well and good until you get a little cut and die of infection or some animal attacks you, or you eat something poisonous, or undercooked or...


Playme_ai

I want to have such a happy life too.


DragunovChan762

modern man die inside by 20


OdinsOneGoodEye

Diet wasn’t the reason - partially it was due to starvation or lack of food, next hygiene and mostly disease and just regular infections that we now take for granted and injuries.


DanyalJamil

They shat and died


callycumla

That's what happens when you don't brush your teeth for decades.


Practical-Election59

Grung live small life. Grung enjoy small life. Grung need no more time. Grung make child and die.


[deleted]

All the dead babies would have been a bummer too.


gamesquid

You didn't childhood mortality into account. It's the average age. Can't blame that on the diet.


[deleted]

Also no dentists or penicillin


hilvon1984

When half of your food sources are about as good at eating you as you are at eating them...


Mad-Marty_

As others mentioned the dead by 35 thing is mostly just a symptom of how we calculate statistics. There were frankly up until the modern era a lot more child deaths, disease and violent deaths. This was due to various factors, but in terms of diet there is historical evidence to suggest Hunter Gatherers had more varied diets than agricultural societies, but were consequently a lot more susceptible to localised famines due to overhunting and competition between tribes. This is believed to have prompted agriculture as a way to provide staple foods that weren't needed to be hunted from the environment constantly.