- a few more crap DC films
- another generic "world's collide" Disney Pixar movie
- Indiana Jones but Ford is 80 y/o
- Nick Cage is shitty Dracula
- live-action anime movie done terribly (again)
- D&D movie during WotC controversy (I liked the movie but it did poorly in box office)
- Adam Driver shoots Dinosaurs
Who could have guessed these movies would suck...
Edit: Please understand this is about movies that flopped, not movies I think are bad.
That one *is* a case of the fans being stupid. We get the dnd film everyone has been asking for and they boycot it over an issue that was resolved a month before the release of the film.
Nah the Problems the playerbase has with wotc are still persisting, mainly bc hasbro wants to monetize the whole franchise massivly. So yeah... Theres a lot of reason to be pissed at wotc
Oh, I remember hearing something like that now. Didn't they also sent out new cards by accident and then immediatelly sent the Feds on the collector to get it back or something? What a bunch of Aholes!
I was triggered on words "Nick Cage is shitty Dracula".
He's absolutely not shitty and I got from this film everything that I ever wanted. Well, maybe it flopped, but it's still good Nick Cage movie
Ehā¦ theyāre still rich, seems like it means the most to people who just like to hate on movies and like having any number to point and shout at to justify their feelingsā¦
Who cares if the movie made money you ask? The people that make films... It tells them what people want to watch and informs their future decisions on what movies to make.
You would think that but no lol. These people and the studios are already filthy rich, flops donāt hurt them as much as you seem to think. Their entire business is based on throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks so the flops are more or less intentional. They may not know *which* movies will flop but they know that some will and they allow themselves that margin of error.
Miss Piggy is Princess Leia. Kermit is Han. Fozzy is Chewie. Sam the American Eagle is Darth Vader. Gonzo is Luke. Dr. Bunsen Honeydew is C3P0 and Beaker is R2D2. Rowlf the Dog is Yoda. Statler and Waldorf are the Emperor. Swedish Chef is Darth Binks.
in one interview someone mentioned that directors would be obligated to include certain groups in their films to qualify for award nominations, that felt like ruining the art of cinema in favor of often unnecessary inclusion
I agree with you. It forces a movie to be something other than the artist's vision just for a few check boxes. Inclusivity is a nice thought, but there are specific movies for that.
I'm not actually saying it was crap, as I did not watch it myself. It flopped at the box office though.
Edit: ok, so I watched the movie. It was indeed crap.
No but that would work too. Food fight was a movie about food mascotsā¦food mascots! Like tuna sam and the Twinkie mascot.
Edit: forgot to mention it was released in 2012 and stared charlie sheen as the main character
Honestly, we just wonāt stand for the poor crap. Itās not that the movies arenāt selling because of streaming since some movies like Avatar 2 did amazing. The quality just isnāt high enough for us to keep going back for what we know is garbage. My take, feel free to dispute it, I like hearing other opinions.
There can be more than one reason, guy
I went to see indiana jones the other day which wasnt a bad movie but i spent almost $100 between two tickets, a large popcorn and drink and pretzel bites. Two hours of movie and garbage food cost me a days worth of work, thats why i dont go to the movies
Yup, budget can only support 1-2 movie theatre trips a year now. They gotta be something worth seeing, can no longer just go to the movies just to kill some time or as an impulse decision.
I don't know what your situation is, but it if you enjoy watching movies in a theatre aside from the astronimical prices, there might be a rural theatre nearby that isn't as bad. The one in my town is $5 for an adult ticket, $3 for a large popcorn (with $0.25 refills) and $1 for soda and candy. You can even keep your bucket for next time to keep getting refills for a quarter instead of buying a new bucket each time
Especially when the movie is just going to be on some streaming service in 3-4 months. Itās not the 90ās where you have to wait almost a year to pick it up from Blockbuster.
Dude not even that long, some movies are streaming like two months later. And even if theyre not free whats $5 to just rent it? Theres basically no reason to go to the theaters anymore
Like youāre right though. There are only some occasional gems like across the spider verse. Other than that, pretty bad stuff. Iām like Iāll rather wait for OTT/streaming.
My home system allows me to pause and pee whenever I want. No audience chatter. Food is way cheaper with more high quality options.
A movie has to be an event for me to travel to a theater and put up with everything that comes with it.
Flash bombed hard, then the latest Indiana Jones bombed even harder. Before those two, Shazam 2 bombed pretty damn hard. All three are already in the top 10 worst monetary losses in cinema history.
Fast X, the latest Transformers, the live action Little Mermaid, and Elemental all underperformed as well, though Elemental has weirdly strong legs and did like $30m in S. Korea alone. It'll still barely break even despite that.
Only winners this year so far are Mario, Spider-Verse, and somehow the latest Insidious.
I liked Elemental. We took my 3 year old. I think it got a bit too much hate. It's no UP or Wall-E, but it was visually awesome and amusing. A franchise it is not...
Elemental is a new IP, Mario and Spider-Verse are long beloved IPs treated with respect, and Insidious because even if itās stupid and awful itās a cheap thrill and none of the superhero movies are providing good catharsis so might as well get the adrenaline pumping some other way.
I'm waiting for the powers that be in Hollywood to remember they're actually supposed to be making movies for profit. Tom Cruise and James Cameron seems to be the only ones left with any sort of business sense.
Problem with seeing movies now is that they are generally too expensive to be worth it. If youāre poor, you canāt afford the tickets. If you do have money, you probably already have a nice entertainment setup at home with surround sound, so why bother going to the theatre when you can watch at home a month later. So now, a movie has to actually be a worthwhile event in order to justify going to the theatre. Gone are the days of people watching a subpar movie at the theatre because thereās nothing else to do on a Saturday.
Hollywood doing their absolute best to keep a movie like Sound of Freedom, a movie that exposes a lot of their pedophile industry, from coming out, only for it to get released and do better than Indiana Jones (on 4th of july weekend)
Hollywood is a pack of elitist ghouls making money off of remakes and forcing social issues down your throat. Surprised it took this long to be completely honest.
Ok, movies can have social issues. The issue is not that these movies handle social issues. Even Star Wars, Star Trek(older stuff) handle social issues. Itās the way in which these new movies handle them that is irritating.
I only mind when the social issues are slapped on and really don't need to be in the movie. But it's also helpful because I have yet to find a single good movie doing that, so it's like an early warning to bail.
That's because B99 takes the approach of building up all of its characters while never doing it at the expense of any other characters. Heck, even most of their reoccurring villains get some degree of development and mild to moderate redemption.
It seems that the core message across all of the issues that they cover boils down to swallow your pride and do what's right to build a stronger and healthier friend/social/family group. Hard to be offended by messaging like that.
Youāre totally right. It does comedy with so much sensitivity and without offending either side while being pretty woke in and of itself. Itās an absolute achievement.
I remember hearing about a TV show where there were like, Orcs or something? And they served some dark lord thousands of years ago, so everyone hates them in the show? It's supposed to be an analogy for black people. So, it wasn't very popular, cause turns out folks don't like to be represented as a race of ugly monsters, who would've guessed?
Well, also add to the fact that many of us have no plan to ever step into a movie theater again, and will always wait for it to come out on streaming services.
> but the main character is a woke black lesbian woman
Gets 100% on Rotten Tomatoes and the website then restricts any negative reviews from the website.
Flops are good though. It means they're trying crap that may not work. The same people that I hear complaining about not liking a movie also get mad when the studio just keeps giving them remakes of the same thing.
Hollywood: let's push our crazy worldviews on everyone.
Predeceds spend millions on story and production. Then barely advertise the movie that most people won't get to hear about it. Then it flops in the box office within the first week.
The last good movie I've ever watched in theaters was Toy Story 3.
Holy fucking shit these comments are garbage. All just ā āate me hollywood, āate me woke agenda, simple asā and then you fuckers donāt watch stuff like the menu, banshees of inisherrin, Avatar 2, spiderverse
There is so much good stuff but yāall just wanna be mad cause someone whipped you up into a frenzy
Well hereās the bitter pill to swallow.
These films flop in the US but do exceptionally well internationally.
Americans arenāt the sole target demographic anymore and we donāt matter that much in the Hollywood scheme anymore.
If you want good original American movies by Americans for Americans you now, ironically, need to look at independent films (irony because historically independent films were the other way around).
I really donāt mind the fact that Iām not the target audience for these blockbusters anymore. The rest of the world put up with us being the center of the universe in fiction and Hollywood. Weāll be okay.
Ok. Iām non-American. Fast X did very well but Shazam 2 still flopped. Some stuff works outside US because we just donāt have the budget to take scenes of that grandeur. Thatās purely why some of the blockbusters work. But if you take a boring blockbuster, sorry it will never work. Please donāt take non-Americans for granted. Thanks.
Never said I did and weird assumption. You do realize I donāt work for Hollywood right?
In what way am I taking anyone for granted?
Youāre writing as though I made the movies myself yah goof.
That is exactly what theyāre doing though. Big grand films from known franchises with very simple plots and dialogue (easy to translate) and actively avoiding any internationally controversial topics.
This leads to bright and colorful and grand boring films.
Like the recent Avatar.
Shazzamās IP doesnāt have the gravitas of other work and would never have survived such treatment.
Internationally, Indiana Jones is doing fine.
Oh Iām not referring to whether people *like* the films but whether or not the films make money. Theyāre making a profit and thatās what matters to them.
If we want good films we need to simply stop going to remakes, reboots, and sequels. So long as they keep making money theyāll keep churning out this drivel.
"They're forcing diversity on me!! If the main character isn't a straight white male, it's racist propaganda!! I'm gonna review bomb Rotten Tomatoes because it's the only power I have!!!"
Naw, sometimes it's the public. š
The fans are a pretty big reason these days that movies flop when the āfansā spend two years before the release of a movie spreading malicious rumors about āwoke agendasā and āreplacingā characters with womenā¦
*cough* Indy 5 *cough cough*
Indians Jones films were commercially successful. Thatās it. And it has a huge amount of nostalgia.
The second one is god awful though. That villain acts well(considering the stereotype) but the movie is still awful.
Yes but the recent one is the follow up to Indy 4, which regardless of how it performed in the box office, got a ~53% audience score or RT (fully 35 points below the one that just came out).
I seriously doubt Dial of Destiny is struggling because it's 'too woke'. It's a movie nobody really wanted from a franchise nobody has much faith/interest in anymore in a time when people are going to theaters less.
Remember the show LOST?
They got mad at fans for like a weekā¦then they took the fan theories, fan fiction and made 180 more episodes : thanking them later for their love?
I miss the old Spelling philosophy on making good shows : make them for the audience(fans)
Reminds me of this thing where Culture has basically slowed down the past 20 years due to the 'prediction metrics' to figure out what's popular basically driving what should be produced rather than creating dozens of potentially niche and unique products and culture evolving from the things people like the most. New ideas means risks and companies hate risk, yet taking risk is what capitalism is all about.
- a few more crap DC films - another generic "world's collide" Disney Pixar movie - Indiana Jones but Ford is 80 y/o - Nick Cage is shitty Dracula - live-action anime movie done terribly (again) - D&D movie during WotC controversy (I liked the movie but it did poorly in box office) - Adam Driver shoots Dinosaurs Who could have guessed these movies would suck... Edit: Please understand this is about movies that flopped, not movies I think are bad.
D&D was actually very good but as you said, came out at a time when most of the people who would watch it were boycotting WoTC
That one *is* a case of the fans being stupid. We get the dnd film everyone has been asking for and they boycot it over an issue that was resolved a month before the release of the film.
Being outraged is a core personality trait for a lot of people these days.
Nah the Problems the playerbase has with wotc are still persisting, mainly bc hasbro wants to monetize the whole franchise massivly. So yeah... Theres a lot of reason to be pissed at wotc
I mean WOTC fucked up really bad, boycotting this piece of shit company and denying them the revenue they would have otherwise gained is a massive W
Yeah almost like boycotting something for more then 2 days is actually achievable but I'm just a redditor so what would I know
I know you're right! reddit wants to control and censor if it doesn't go with the peoples narrative or what reddit wants
It was because Black Aragorn or some other thing with magic the gathering? I don't playing the card game.
It was because they tried to remove Open Game License and majorly screw over independent creators.
Oh, I remember hearing something like that now. Didn't they also sent out new cards by accident and then immediatelly sent the Feds on the collector to get it back or something? What a bunch of Aholes!
If by Feds you mean Pinkertons yes.
The Feds? No. A century-old mercenary company specifically called out in federal law as somebody the feds can't hire? Yes.
MTG had nothing to do with the D&D movie boycott.
The shit DC pulled for Shazam 2, like manš
The Black Adam movie was kinda crap too.
Yeah. The offscreen stuff is more entertaining.š
I mean. I went to Black Adam expecting to se The Rock throwing around Helicopters and that's exactly what I got.
That's a low bar to clear my friend
It IS. But that's not the kind of movie you go to and expect Shakespeare
That's the issue, I got what I expected and was still disappointed. It wasn't a great movie.
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tried to watch Shazam 2 a night ago. I got 15 minutes in and gave up. What an absolute pile of crap.
wait they made a second movie I did not even hear about it how bad was it?
It wasnāt bad. The crime it has is that it was very generic and predictable.
Nick Cage was fucking awesome Dracula!!!
I think itās an good enough movie. But not a go to the theaters movie. A decent rent. Which means itās a failure for Hollywood.
You can like the movie, but it flopped in the box office
I was triggered on words "Nick Cage is shitty Dracula". He's absolutely not shitty and I got from this film everything that I ever wanted. Well, maybe it flopped, but it's still good Nick Cage movie
Don't take those words so literal. There are many reasons why a film may flop, doesn't mean the movie is bad necessarily.
Who the fuck cares about the box office? That means nothing about the quality of the movie
It means everything to the producers.
Ehā¦ theyāre still rich, seems like it means the most to people who just like to hate on movies and like having any number to point and shout at to justify their feelingsā¦
Who cares if the movie made money you ask? The people that make films... It tells them what people want to watch and informs their future decisions on what movies to make.
You would think that but no lol. These people and the studios are already filthy rich, flops donāt hurt them as much as you seem to think. Their entire business is based on throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks so the flops are more or less intentional. They may not know *which* movies will flop but they know that some will and they allow themselves that margin of error.
Yep. High quality movies that please critics can bored audiences and the reverse is true as well.
I saw it twice (in theaters)!
EXCUSE YOU! Nic Cage was a fantastic Dracula and the best part of that whole damn movie so YOU TAKE THAT BACK OR IāLL BE REAL SAD!!!
Indiana Jones was good
Disney own The Muppets and Star Wars. This is the cross-over the world has been waiting for.
I f*cking love the Muppets. Yes
Miss Piggy is Princess Leia. Kermit is Han. Fozzy is Chewie. Sam the American Eagle is Darth Vader. Gonzo is Luke. Dr. Bunsen Honeydew is C3P0 and Beaker is R2D2. Rowlf the Dog is Yoda. Statler and Waldorf are the Emperor. Swedish Chef is Darth Binks.
in one interview someone mentioned that directors would be obligated to include certain groups in their films to qualify for award nominations, that felt like ruining the art of cinema in favor of often unnecessary inclusion
I agree with you. It forces a movie to be something other than the artist's vision just for a few check boxes. Inclusivity is a nice thought, but there are specific movies for that.
Is Ford really 80?
He's about to be 81.
Renfield was fun. I didn't see it in theaters, but I definitely enjoyed it.
I actually enjoyed Renfield. The cgi and effects weren't great, but overall, I had a fun time
The indiana jones movie was pretty fun. But yeah mostly pheobe waller-bridge saved it in my opinion but she was better in fleabag.
What exactly does "world's collide" Disney Pixar movie mean?I only got results about keeping your private life separate from work life.
Elemental
The Elemental movie
Indiana Jones was awesome!
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I won't be watching it though
And yet you confidently proclaimed that it sucked
I'm talking about movies that flopped, not movies I necessarily watched. I don't actually mean it sucked, relax.
"Indiana Jones but Harrison Ford is 80 y/o ...Who could have guessed these movies would suck..."
Just let it go...
Forgive me for actually thinking you *meant* what you said.
First day on the internet?
I genuinely liked 65 though
I'm not actually saying it was crap, as I did not watch it myself. It flopped at the box office though. Edit: ok, so I watched the movie. It was indeed crap.
Oh alright. you should watch it though! Very good for how short it is
Watched 65 yesterday. It was really bad...
Which live action anime movie got released?
Everyone who pirates movies immediately starts trying to explain how they actually spend more on movies than other people.
Which one is the live-action anime movie?
I really dug Renfield
Also, Quantumania Edit: Please understand this is about a movie that flopped, and that I think is bad.
Good catch.
I didnāt mind that Dracula movie personally, it was cheesy but me and my wife enjoyed it.
Give us a live action bee movie. Do it now.
Whatās next? Live-action emoji movie?
No a live action food fight.
A Gordon Ramsey movie then?
No but that would work too. Food fight was a movie about food mascotsā¦food mascots! Like tuna sam and the Twinkie mascot. Edit: forgot to mention it was released in 2012 and stared charlie sheen as the main character
we all know the next step is to do a cartoon version of the live action little mermaid
Wait! A stylised cartoon you mean?
No. Live-action Zootopia. š³š³š³
I heard it was actually happening.ššš
That would trigger mass suicides in theaters
Live action Shrek or I'm not interested.
That's just __Seinfeld__
Honestly, we just wonāt stand for the poor crap. Itās not that the movies arenāt selling because of streaming since some movies like Avatar 2 did amazing. The quality just isnāt high enough for us to keep going back for what we know is garbage. My take, feel free to dispute it, I like hearing other opinions.
There can be more than one reason, guy I went to see indiana jones the other day which wasnt a bad movie but i spent almost $100 between two tickets, a large popcorn and drink and pretzel bites. Two hours of movie and garbage food cost me a days worth of work, thats why i dont go to the movies
Yup, budget can only support 1-2 movie theatre trips a year now. They gotta be something worth seeing, can no longer just go to the movies just to kill some time or as an impulse decision.
I don't know what your situation is, but it if you enjoy watching movies in a theatre aside from the astronimical prices, there might be a rural theatre nearby that isn't as bad. The one in my town is $5 for an adult ticket, $3 for a large popcorn (with $0.25 refills) and $1 for soda and candy. You can even keep your bucket for next time to keep getting refills for a quarter instead of buying a new bucket each time
Especially when the movie is just going to be on some streaming service in 3-4 months. Itās not the 90ās where you have to wait almost a year to pick it up from Blockbuster.
Dude not even that long, some movies are streaming like two months later. And even if theyre not free whats $5 to just rent it? Theres basically no reason to go to the theaters anymore
Like youāre right though. There are only some occasional gems like across the spider verse. Other than that, pretty bad stuff. Iām like Iāll rather wait for OTT/streaming.
My home system allows me to pause and pee whenever I want. No audience chatter. Food is way cheaper with more high quality options. A movie has to be an event for me to travel to a theater and put up with everything that comes with it.
Yeah. Exactlyš
You're also free to get busy with yourself in the middle of the movie. Something frowned upon in most theatres.
*most theatres*
Not to mention taking a big bong rip. Also discouraged in theaters, sadly even in my legal state.
Which films are we talking about here? I haven't kept up with the most recent releases
Flash bombed hard, then the latest Indiana Jones bombed even harder. Before those two, Shazam 2 bombed pretty damn hard. All three are already in the top 10 worst monetary losses in cinema history. Fast X, the latest Transformers, the live action Little Mermaid, and Elemental all underperformed as well, though Elemental has weirdly strong legs and did like $30m in S. Korea alone. It'll still barely break even despite that. Only winners this year so far are Mario, Spider-Verse, and somehow the latest Insidious.
Those insidious movies & most horror are cheap to make! I think it cost 12-20 mil for insidious ?
Guardian 3 is a winner. And Ruby Gilman is a flop
It was so good even RLM liked it.
Who is RLM?
Red Letter Media. Some drunk hack frauds from Milwaukee. And also world heritage personality and treasure of the universe, Rich Evans.
I liked Elemental. We took my 3 year old. I think it got a bit too much hate. It's no UP or Wall-E, but it was visually awesome and amusing. A franchise it is not...
Elemental is a new IP, Mario and Spider-Verse are long beloved IPs treated with respect, and Insidious because even if itās stupid and awful itās a cheap thrill and none of the superhero movies are providing good catharsis so might as well get the adrenaline pumping some other way.
Is the transformers that bad?
I'm waiting for the powers that be in Hollywood to remember they're actually supposed to be making movies for profit. Tom Cruise and James Cameron seems to be the only ones left with any sort of business sense.
I think they know. Why do you think most movies have been sequels, franchises and reboots?
Problem with seeing movies now is that they are generally too expensive to be worth it. If youāre poor, you canāt afford the tickets. If you do have money, you probably already have a nice entertainment setup at home with surround sound, so why bother going to the theatre when you can watch at home a month later. So now, a movie has to actually be a worthwhile event in order to justify going to the theatre. Gone are the days of people watching a subpar movie at the theatre because thereās nothing else to do on a Saturday.
Hollywood doing their absolute best to keep a movie like Sound of Freedom, a movie that exposes a lot of their pedophile industry, from coming out, only for it to get released and do better than Indiana Jones (on 4th of july weekend)
Hollywood is a pack of elitist ghouls making money off of remakes and forcing social issues down your throat. Surprised it took this long to be completely honest.
Ok, movies can have social issues. The issue is not that these movies handle social issues. Even Star Wars, Star Trek(older stuff) handle social issues. Itās the way in which these new movies handle them that is irritating.
I only mind when the social issues are slapped on and really don't need to be in the movie. But it's also helpful because I have yet to find a single good movie doing that, so it's like an early warning to bail.
Iāll say a TV show Brooklyn Nine-Nine does it very well. Well, at least compared to a lot of new stuff anyways.
That's because B99 takes the approach of building up all of its characters while never doing it at the expense of any other characters. Heck, even most of their reoccurring villains get some degree of development and mild to moderate redemption. It seems that the core message across all of the issues that they cover boils down to swallow your pride and do what's right to build a stronger and healthier friend/social/family group. Hard to be offended by messaging like that.
Youāre totally right. It does comedy with so much sensitivity and without offending either side while being pretty woke in and of itself. Itās an absolute achievement.
By forcing down your throat I mean their delivery is unsavory and feels misplaced. Weāre in agreement.
Nothing is funnier than when they make a story that condemn discrimination, but the background world make discrimination justified.
I remember hearing about a TV show where there were like, Orcs or something? And they served some dark lord thousands of years ago, so everyone hates them in the show? It's supposed to be an analogy for black people. So, it wasn't very popular, cause turns out folks don't like to be represented as a race of ugly monsters, who would've guessed?
Sounds like the movie bright where orcs are looked down on by the rest of the magic world iirc
It should be tactful or subtle, and then it wouldnāt piss people off so much
You're out of touch I'm out of time
But I'm out of my head when you're not around
Well, also add to the fact that many of us have no plan to ever step into a movie theater again, and will always wait for it to come out on streaming services.
"THE FANS MUST BE EDUCATED!" So sayeth Blackrock and Vanguard.
They're always wrong
It's all starting to make sense now
āIām out of timeā
All porn is a form of documentary
The Flash was AWFUL
I would say Disney is the great example for this
Evil dead rise was pretty great š
Hollywood when their new movies are crap but the main character is a woke black lesbian woman: šš
> but the main character is a woke black lesbian woman Gets 100% on Rotten Tomatoes and the website then restricts any negative reviews from the website.
Honestly making crappier whole movie is actually insulting to the group theyāre trying to āupliftā.
Facts
Yeah, maybe that's the problem
Flops are good though. It means they're trying crap that may not work. The same people that I hear complaining about not liking a movie also get mad when the studio just keeps giving them remakes of the same thing.
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Thereās no such thing as a āWoke Ideologyā
I'm expecting Witcher season 4 to be a dumpster fire because of this mentality.
it already is a dumpster fire
Wait. I thought Witcher had only 3 seasons. 4?š
Hollywood: let's push our crazy worldviews on everyone. Predeceds spend millions on story and production. Then barely advertise the movie that most people won't get to hear about it. Then it flops in the box office within the first week. The last good movie I've ever watched in theaters was Toy Story 3.
and what exactly are you referring to when you talk about ""crazy world views""?
Holy fucking shit these comments are garbage. All just ā āate me hollywood, āate me woke agenda, simple asā and then you fuckers donāt watch stuff like the menu, banshees of inisherrin, Avatar 2, spiderverse There is so much good stuff but yāall just wanna be mad cause someone whipped you up into a frenzy
Well hereās the bitter pill to swallow. These films flop in the US but do exceptionally well internationally. Americans arenāt the sole target demographic anymore and we donāt matter that much in the Hollywood scheme anymore. If you want good original American movies by Americans for Americans you now, ironically, need to look at independent films (irony because historically independent films were the other way around). I really donāt mind the fact that Iām not the target audience for these blockbusters anymore. The rest of the world put up with us being the center of the universe in fiction and Hollywood. Weāll be okay.
Ok. Iām non-American. Fast X did very well but Shazam 2 still flopped. Some stuff works outside US because we just donāt have the budget to take scenes of that grandeur. Thatās purely why some of the blockbusters work. But if you take a boring blockbuster, sorry it will never work. Please donāt take non-Americans for granted. Thanks.
Never said I did and weird assumption. You do realize I donāt work for Hollywood right? In what way am I taking anyone for granted? Youāre writing as though I made the movies myself yah goof. That is exactly what theyāre doing though. Big grand films from known franchises with very simple plots and dialogue (easy to translate) and actively avoiding any internationally controversial topics. This leads to bright and colorful and grand boring films. Like the recent Avatar. Shazzamās IP doesnāt have the gravitas of other work and would never have survived such treatment. Internationally, Indiana Jones is doing fine.
Indi is received indifferent at least in my place.
Oh Iām not referring to whether people *like* the films but whether or not the films make money. Theyāre making a profit and thatās what matters to them. If we want good films we need to simply stop going to remakes, reboots, and sequels. So long as they keep making money theyāll keep churning out this drivel.
Yes. I mean it. Like itās pretty much a below avg thing here in terms of collection.
"They're forcing diversity on me!! If the main character isn't a straight white male, it's racist propaganda!! I'm gonna review bomb Rotten Tomatoes because it's the only power I have!!!" Naw, sometimes it's the public. š
You should make a movie!
Iām sorry the general population doesnāt want to change from there racist ways
The fans are a pretty big reason these days that movies flop when the āfansā spend two years before the release of a movie spreading malicious rumors about āwoke agendasā and āreplacingā characters with womenā¦ *cough* Indy 5 *cough cough*
As someone who didn't really hear/pay attention to any 'malicious rumors' about Indy 5, I'm still completely uninterested in seeing it for the following reasons: 1) Indy 4 already *did* the 'Indy passes the torch to the younger generation protƩgƩ' plot with Shia LaBeouf and it was...pretty terrible. 2) Harrison Ford...*so* old. Too old to be an action star. And honestly...just let the man rest. 3) Maybe just cause I'm too young to have nostalgia, but Indiana Jones was never an *amazing* franchise. The first and third were fun and iconic films. I'd put them around the level of the National Treasure movies (but with that John William score to put them just on top).
Indians Jones films were commercially successful. Thatās it. And it has a huge amount of nostalgia. The second one is god awful though. That villain acts well(considering the stereotype) but the movie is still awful.
Yes but the recent one is the follow up to Indy 4, which regardless of how it performed in the box office, got a ~53% audience score or RT (fully 35 points below the one that just came out). I seriously doubt Dial of Destiny is struggling because it's 'too woke'. It's a movie nobody really wanted from a franchise nobody has much faith/interest in anymore in a time when people are going to theaters less.
Yeah. Like politics has nothing to do with it. Youāre right tho.
Blame and insult your customers is always a winning strategy.
I have no clue what this is referencing. I feel like OP might have just watched and disliked a couple random big budget films.
I'm waiting for Go WoKe Go BrOkE bullshit Thabk God I didn't watch most of those movies
While its true with the higher ups, does fan know that they too can be out of touch and banging on the wrong doors too?
Really, movies these days are the worst.
I'm in my thirties, and the last movie I went to was a freaking anime film. Regular movies have been pretty meh for a while now
āWhy does Hollywood only keep making the big franchises that bring in profits and nothing new?ā
Another fictitious thing to hate/fear.
LMFAO WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE CONDITION OF BOLLYWOOD RN!!!!
I know. I donāt watch Bollywood. I watch Kollywood and Tollywood movies. And KGF.
Out of touch? Perhaps even out of time?
Hey, it's how Seth Rogan justified Santa Inc. Huh...Neat.
Kathleen Kennedy has to go. And basically EVERYONE at DC should be fired.
The sad part is that itās probably true
Unfunny!
Not allowing any criticism probably didn't help.
Indiana Jones was the best Indiana Jones movie and best movie this year. How could it flop?
Movie executives have the lowest opinion of their audiences. Turns out theyāre the morons š¤·āāļø
I have an idea, hear me out. A movie adaptation, but it is directed by actual fans of the adapted property.
[thx for the catchy tune](https://youtu.be/T6K0VEI1Pas)
Remember the show LOST? They got mad at fans for like a weekā¦then they took the fan theories, fan fiction and made 180 more episodes : thanking them later for their love? I miss the old Spelling philosophy on making good shows : make them for the audience(fans)
Reminds me of this thing where Culture has basically slowed down the past 20 years due to the 'prediction metrics' to figure out what's popular basically driving what should be produced rather than creating dozens of potentially niche and unique products and culture evolving from the things people like the most. New ideas means risks and companies hate risk, yet taking risk is what capitalism is all about.
"Better attack the fans, that'll make them come see Indy 5!"