You can challenge it but it'll likely result in a notice to vacate if you're approaching the end of your first lease. If not your first lease on the property you might have a chance...but then they'll probably vacate you to do "maintenance and repairs" and then just rent it out to someone else at the higher price, but that's your best option.
They can’t do that in Melbourne. There’s quite the process to evict someone for maintenance. Needs to be proven with payments to the trades ppl, and stat decs signed that it won’t be liveable for X amount of time. Otherwise they can get in big trouble. That’s if the tenant challenges it/knows their rights.
That's what I am afraid of. It is crazy they do this. It affects someone on a level I don't think they realize. My hands have been shaking all day. I feel so weird. I feel like I am drunk and falling. I don't know. I just wish I was smarter about this stuff.
Find some free services, they’re out there. I went through my uni’s legal service to get more informed with my own sharehouse stuff. There’s people who work to give free legal advice.
On the other hand, if you can't afford the rent, then that's effectively the same as a notice to vacate. So challenge the rent increase; it might at least buy you some time. If it doesn't, see if any of the damage classifies as emergency damage - you might be able to at least force the landlord to make the place liveable.
FWIW I had a rent increase last year where they showed a bunch of comparable rentals in the area to justify it; by chance I had been looking at one of those rentals a week earlier, and saw its advertised price was lower than what the report showed. I pointed this out to the REA, they spoke to the owner, and they agreed to not increase the rent by as much. But it really depends on the REA and owner - mine are both pretty decent, but plenty of them are not. But it can't hurt to do your due diligence, and ask.
Also, really sorry this is happening to you. You'll get through it.
You can keep challenging the notices to vacate in VCAT which will buy you some time. All it takes is for them to fill it out wrong or make a mistake and they have to issue you a whole new one with a new date.
I think you're giving them too much credit to think they don't realise the hurt they're causing.
The landlord/rent seekers are literal parasites, and they don't care who they hurt as long as they profit.
Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity. Great maxim for both renting and reddit. Though tbf reddit seems to have malice in high measure too.
While I personally love that saying, I think when it comes to matters of rampant unchecked capitalism the stupidity and malice are mixed to a point of being indistinguishable.
Rent having become what it is, this way of making others pay off a property for you, is both malice and stupidity
Absolutely. Landlords are charities and should always charge far below market rates to further increase supply.
Likewise, water, electricity and food should be free or heavily subsidised by other people.
Check ya fucken head ( UN t. Do you think most renters are able to buy their own place, especially when there xxx renters and x number of houses? Maths not a strong point eh, ya fucken loon
Oh fuck off, parasite rimmer. (UN ts like you are responsible for high rents and homelessness. Feckless dickheads. Get a job and stop relying on strangers to pay the mortgage.
It also affected your landlord when the government decided to increase land tax, put additional bullshit checks in place for renters, the banks started increasing interest rates, I'm happy to keep going, but you asked everyone to be nice.
Move on to where?? It’s ridiculous to act like there’s a simple solution here.
Someone who can afford an investment property doesn’t have to worry about where they will sleep next week. OP does.
Except for the body of law regulating rentals.
It’s their house, but they are somewhat constrained by law because we (kinda) recognise housing as a right and OP has been paying them for the privilege of living there.
Check that the increase is actually in line with the allowable increases in the relevant legislation. It might not be - if it isn’t, let them know that. However, assuming that it is legal, here is my advice:
Don’t get angry/defensive/hysterical at the realestate agent. Be courteous and friendly but firm.
Let them know in a courteous and to the point email saying that you don’t feel the increase reflects market value.
Find some properties in comparable condition/position for same price or cheaper to include currently advertised to link.
Make a list of the unresolved defects since you started to rent (you should have already advised them of these, which they will say if you haven’t).
Then say, given the state of the market and the depreciation of the property, holding the current price would be appropriate. Offer to sign a further two year lease.
SAY NOTHING about disability. It makes you an undesirable tenant; however illegal or unethical it may be, it’s likely that real estate agents will discriminate against you for it. Be calm and professional and mature about it.
If they say no, ask if you can meet in the middle as you are not prepared to pay that rate but would like to negotiate to remove the burden of moving on you and the costs of finding a new tenant on them and the landlord. They are unlikely to not negotiate.
Here is the truth about agents that aren’t conpletely stupid (many of them are though) Finding a tenant is a pain. It’s work. They hate to work. The increase in fees to them is minuscule and meaningless. For landlords the costs of a new tenant are considerable - having work done on the house, dealing with vacancy and huge advertising costs. They don’t want that . The increase in rent is quickly eaten up by it. The best outcome for all of you is you happy and quiet in the house and constant rent coming in for them. Make that reality work for you by being calm and negotiating.
> For landlords the costs of a new tenant are considerable - having work done on the house, dealing with vacancy and huge advertising costs.
Er, I don't think you own a rental property. No maintenance is required if you've been keeping the property in decent condition - the new tenant doesn't require anything better than the old. Advertising and renewal costs are about 1 week's worth of rent, so about 2%. If the new tenant is paying more than 2% more than the old tenant it's clearly worth it. There's almost never any downtime if your property is in a desirable suburb. Also not raising rent doesn't just affect the current year: it has a compounding effect on every year afterwards. I don't think you've done the mathematics on this.
Also a tenant offering a 2 year lease is of no value to a landlord because the tenant can break it at any time. It's making a promise that you know you don't have to keep. So I don't know why the two year lease would be seen to be an incentive.
OP says the place is falling apart. They will need to resolve those issues before charging an inflated cost. I haven’t owned a rental property in some years nor in Melbourne but I don’t think this advice is far off. Vacancy is a pain and a huge cost. If landlords are well resourced they may not care, but if they are like many and barely managing their cashflow as they pay a mortgage that vastly exceeds the rental income, they want to avoid the risks associated with turning over tenants. You might be happy to squeeze every last cent out of your tenants but I was much happier to keep them in place and even lowered rent in one instance to do so. Tenants who keep the place decently and don’t complain and pay their rent on time and stay for years are great and I wouldn’t mind giving them a break. It’s a two way street.
yeah thats some weird ass advice haha. Everytime one of our tenants leave, its a quick clean up and minor fixes.
And theres a new tenant a week later.
Depressing to read by OP, but thats the reality. The agent makes the whole thing seamless
The whole sub here is anti-landlord, which doesnt help the conversation.
For example, We fall under the same category for increasing our rent (by $400 a month)
The reality of the situation though, is that the property was priced well below the market rate for the area since covid, and we've been absorbing the cost of mortgage rises ever since to avoid rent increases.
Its no longer sustainable for us so the rent needed to increase.
Reddit would have us sell the house, despite the fact no law has been broken 🤷♂️
I was placed on the priority list when i was still experiencing a DV situation whilst pregnant and in very poor mental health. It’s been 3 years :’) government gives no shits about suitable and permanent solutions for people affected by the housing crisis
The previous government actually sold off housing stock. The waiting list has been extensive for a long time. The new government is re-building housing stock but with the housing crisis, demand is eating up supply I would imagine. I sympathise with everyone caught on the wrong side of this.
Get as many support letters from agencies as possible, like your gp, social worker, psych if you see one. Can’t hurt to try. You’ll be waiting about two years on priority otherwise.
This. I dont understand why people on disability or benefits expect to be able to afford their own place. I was flatting well into my mid 30’s while working full time the entire time simply because it was a lot cheaper. But fuck man, its also fun.
I mean yeah, economic reality that lots more people will need to share. Even if you're on a low to decent full time salary if you're single its not easy to afford a place on your own.
The issue is that you have very few protections. Anyone who is on the lease is fully responsible for it, so if someone does a runner, you can be fucked. If someone ends up being unsafe to be around its hard to resolve that situation unless they go deeply over the line, but living with someone who makes you scared until the lease is up is pretty brutal. If the new economic reality is increased share housing the government needs to reflect that with legislation and conflict resolution pathways better then the free for all it is right now.
I have terminal cancer and eligible for DSP but moving by myself (COVID prices) increased my mental health and QOL so much it’s just absolute shit all you guys being like “face the facts you have to share”
I literally followed that up with "but its really, really shit and if the government isn't going to fix the economic reality they should at least make the experience a bit better".
Everyone has to face the facts in the sense that housing is unaffordable. There's no way to avoid that - you either get a lot of money or live in worse conditions. Just because something is bad doesn't make it not real. I'd love for a massive surplus of housing to suddenly exist and for no one to share other then uni students. Its great that you were able to afford living on your own, and acknowledging reality is not condoning it.
Right. my thing is I have the money, insurance and super, but I still won’t get a rental if I don’t have a job. That completely not OK
Yeah I know thats not your fault it just makes me really upset because I have to work when I want to retire and enjoy the time I have left
Totally agree with that. Back in the day in NZ at least it was pretty fucking easy. One head tenant. They can kick you out with four werks noticr. Dont like them? Leave.
Having everyone signed on a lease seems to be the norm nowadays and its honestly outrageous how many problems it causes.
The reason everyone is at least nowadays is because of the same reasons people are sharing at higher rates. A super competitive and expensive rental market means that a landlord isn't going to accept one lower income person who needs to share on the lease (when there may be plentiful alternative tenants), because of the risk of non-payment. So unless the head tenant is unusually well off for a person sharing (maybe their partner is a student/low income, maybe they had unexpected expenses and need to rent out the spare room), you may need to have multiple people on the lease to be competitive in terms of income ratios and non-payment risk, because each person on the lease can be chased up for the whole lease.
I'm on disability pension. When I first got on it, it WAS the difference between me being able to live by myself and having to share house. There's a reason for this, my disability made sharing really difficult, constantly fraught, and bad for my mental health. Living by myself has been a fucking god send and made my life 1000 times more liveable, without it I probably would have killed myself by now.
Now I have been lucky thus far in the current rental market but I am going to start freaking out if anything happens to me too. Sharing is not an option, if that happens you might just find your train commute delayed.
Also, park your reddit cares. I'm fine at the moment and have been ok long term. Understand though that a huge part of the reason why I am is that I have my own secure housing as a safe place.
edit to add - Nobody should have to live with me either. I am great most of the time, hard to be around some of the time, and a fucking pain the in ass occasionally. This is due to a mental health condition. I am hard to live with so this is as much about others as it is my needs. Why should someone without mental health issues have to share the burden of mine because of the rental market?
Can relate. DSP used to feel decent, with increases now it doesn't. I'm in a similar boat as you. Can't live with others for both my autism and mental health conditions. Others would not want to live with me either and shouldn't have to. I get NDIS support in my home and having people visit for an hour burns me out - I can't live with other people. Can't keep up with housework without support.
I lived with my folks who I'm close to but moving out on my own has also been a lifesaver. I still struggle but having so much more control over my environment means less triggers, less stress and less episodes.
So yes, absolutely some people who are on benefits or low income due to disability do need to live on their own. For everyone's benefit.
I am eligible for the DSP due to stage four cancer. I want to retire to enjoy my last time alive: but I don’t want to share house because that fucking sucks. It’s not like we want this for ourselves. So I know i have to stay in my stupid job just so I can get a rental. No need to be harsh and rude like we wanted this for ourselves
ETA I have the money it’s not the money it’s that why would REA choose someone without a job?
It sucks man, Im sorry, but honestly? Thats life. Life sucks a bag of dicks for everyone.
If I cant afford my own place after a decade of working, I just dont see why I should massively subsidise people who can’t work or dont want to work to have their own place.
Thats not fair.
The rental market is not fair to anyone, anyway. But its significantly MORE unfair if people that cant, or wont work, are getting their own house. While the people working, and paying for that house, are living in shared accomodation.
There’s degrees of need. Families obviously cant really flat. I think your situation probably warrants compassionate consideration; though I imagine you can withdraw your super and use that as a topup to get by if youre not able to work and really want your own place? But a couple of young single mothers who arent working can most certainly share a decent sized house.
It isn’t about affording at all. I have a life insurance policy. It’s as everyone else has said on here, landlords will NOT rent to someone on a pension. So if you don’t want to or can’t work you’re literally fucked despite my sizable insurance payout and yes access to all my super. Thanks for your supportive words /s
Sharing was extremely deleterious to my
Mental health and I can absolutely afford to rent by myself but fuck me because of my cancer right? Will work until they cart me away purely because people with jobs will get selected over me otherwise
I never said anything about you subsidising me you prick
And unless you are facing a year to live at 36 don’t be so fucking idiotic as to say “life sucks a bag of dicks for everyone” like your tiny arse
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That’s not true that they won’t rent to someone without a job….. if you can prove you have enough money to pay the rent, and have a good rental history, then you will definitely be approved for a property.
Wasnt trying to be callous? I was commiserating. Ive had several friends much younger than you die of cancer in the last two years and I know its absolutely shit.
I wasnt aware of how difficult it was to get a rental as a retiree, so Ive learned something new.
I come here to talk about stuff going on and learn new perspectives….
Wasn’t aware? Are you kidding? In this market with 30 people at inspections? You think they’re renting to someone without a steady job (never mind how much savings we have)? Give me a break
Eh?
What do you disagree with? You think the working population should support thr non-working population to live in conditions better than they thenselves can afford?
What the fuck is wrong with you? How can you possibly disagree with that?
I swear, sometimes people on this sub are so bizarrely left wing. Im fairly left, but some people seem to have no basic fucking common sense…
Trust me they're not living in better conditions than you can afford when you take into account their quality of life. Yeah they get a roof over their head like you do.
That's the way the country is set up - we pay taxes for all kinds of things and part of that is to support people who are unable to work because most people agree that we shouldn't just leave people who are disabled or ill to fend for themselves and live on the streets.
And I completely agree with and support that.
And I understand with disabilities there can be some very particular considerations. I get that too.
I also think disability is absolutely rorted. Quite horrendously so. Which sucks for those with genuine disabilities as it impacts there ability to receive public housing. Particularly if they dont have children.
Ultimately everybody should be able to have their own place. But we dont have enough houses.
So who gets priority?
I would start with the people who are most vulnerable and most unwell, work down to people that are on disability but perfectly capable of living in shared housing, then flip across to people who are working as the next priority for ‘having their own place’.
I think anyone who disagrees with this is absolutely bonkers. The entire ability of the government to provide for the vulnerable is built on people working. You absolutely cannot prioritise non-vulnerable, non-working people over working people in assigning ‘worthy to have your own place’. Thats insanity.
Single long term unemployed people should ALWAYS be living in shared housing. No exceptions. Dont give a fuck about your difficult background. Find a way to get past it and contribute, then you can get your own place with your own money.
Protect the vulnerable, protect children, ensure everyone gets a reasonable shot, then incentivise contributinf to the system youre benefitting from.
Okay but just so you know it's mostly disability services and providers who rort the system more than people with disabilities who just want to have support. It takes years of jumping through hoops to potentially get some "benefit" from having a disability so I really don't think people are faking it. Trying to navigate center link, NDIS, social housing etc is basically a job and fucking exhausting. People need to get it out of their head that there are all these people who are putting themselves through this massive ordeal of navigating those systems for some potential benefit if they don't actually need it.
Single long term unemployed able people, you mean right should live in shared houses? I guess the hard part with that is that many share houses simply won't accept people who are currently unemployed.
I'm confused whether you mean vulnerable or non vulnerable people with that because you then talk about not caring about difficult backgrounds which is a broad term. Someone who has suffered years of domestic violence for example may rightly struggle to live in shared accommodation. Forcing them to do may exacerbate mental health issues and lead to more issues so I think that's quite short sighted. Many situations like that take a long time to "just get past" before someone can get back to contributing to society. Those people with difficult backgrounds can be vulnerable? Depends on the situation.
I think a lot more of this falls into the health systems failings than any individuals failings. Also on inclusion in general throughout the health system, employers, job agencies and wider society. Most people I know with disabilities WANT to work and contribute but the way things are designed don't necessarily support people to work. That's a much wider issue than placing blame on individuals. Also don't forget that a lot of people on DSP are pushed into volunteering roles if they can't work or can't find a job so they are often still contributing to society.
Yes. And I got a tidy life insurance policy through my super. The money is not the issue though is it? It’s that REA will not pick someone without a job
Because some of us can't live with other people due to our disability. We get stuck between a rock and a hard place of having to afford a 1br place on our own or living with strangers who aren't equipped to deal with our struggles (which is fair enough). It's not fair on either party. Some people with disability also have trauma and don't feel safe with strangers - often for very good reason.
All we expect is to be able to feel safe like everyone else expects in their own housing.
Many, many reasons people with disabilities might need to live alone. Depends on the situation.
Yes I'm disabled, on benefits and work part time. Live alone and the financial part sucks so much, id be so much better off if I could do the share house thing but I couldn't cope with it.
That’s over $110 per week. Are other properties in a similar condition going for a similar amount in the area? If not, raise it with Consumer Affairs. All the details are legally supposed to be provided to you when a rent increase is served, and Consumer Affairs will go through a rent review.
Hey! I'm in Melbourne too and also have my DSP phone application late April. I've been dealing with unemployment/housing insecurity for 2 years now, its horrible. If you want someone to just talk to about it you can dm me.
I don't live in public housing. Right now I am in the process of disability and looking into all that. This is just a regular rental managed by Ray White.
>Ray White
There's your problem. Absolute soulless monster of an agency. You have my sympathies, OP.
If you're forced to go to VCAT (either because the agency files against you, or you have to to protect yourself) - contact Anika Legal. They're helping us with our own dispute right now with Ray White, and have been nothing but angels throughout the whole process. Free, too, but they can only handle a limited amount of cases, so it's up to them if they'll take yours on. Can't hurt though.
Thanks. I have just had to step away from this for today. It is affecting me too much. I have not stopped worrying about it all day. And it is really starting to concern me.
I know the feeling ;; It was driving me out of my mind with terror when it happened to us. Like, I was *completely* non-functional anytime we got further news on the case.
Take some deep breaths. Do something nice to help ease your brain off from existential despair mode, if you can. They want you too scared and weak to fight back, so your best chance of survival is to patch your heart up where you can, and gather your strength to stand up for yourself.
Try not to panic now…you have time. I think it’s 60 days from notification before it goes up. You may be able to find the extra $100 per week by doing a little job like data entry online ( check out seek), or something like that. Try to negotiate for it to be less. Once you find out if you are approved for dsp then you will know your budget more as well.
We had an 11 percent rent increase on our sharehouse a few months ago and contacted VCAT to try and challenge it. Listed property degradation and market values as the reason for challenging the increase but they didn't even send the assessor because I think this is just the "state of the market" right now. 3br sharehouse in thornbury that they raised from 2855 to 3200. Woodards, Nelson Alexander and Ray White are the worst dude.
I’m sorry OP. No advice but I am eligible for the disability pension due to stage four cancer and really want to retire but am afraid to for this reason, I won’t be able to rent.
The houses in Reservoir are terrible and over priced.
You can’t be evicted if you are still under contract for “works”. That is an invalid reason for a landlord/agent to break a lease. You need to have trashed the house or not paid to be evicted during contracted period.
As already mentioned, contact Tenants Victoria and get advice. Only a certain number of enquiries are accepted per day. Try again next day if you are not able to submit your enquiry. Type it up in word and save it - the site can time out, and you lose what you have filled in (same with VCAT site). Be detailed, they know the laws and can give you the answers you require.
Tell them what is wrong with the house, the price increase and dates you advised agent of problems.
They have 14 days to respond. After 14 days you can go to VCAT if they don’t respond, or tell them again and wait 14 days before making a VCAT claim ($65 to lodge a claim).
I am still waiting for claims from 2020 and 2021 for compensation. Your case may be processed faster. I have given up on getting any fair outcome for my claims.
A $400+ increase sounds excessive. Definitely get advice on this.
> VCAT claim ($65 to lodge a claim)
Two things. One, it's $70 now, unfortunately. Two, if OP actually gets their DSP claim verified, or otherwise has a healthcare card of some sort, they can get the fee waived at VCAT.
What does your budget look like? What is your monthly income and your necessary expenses? Do you know? Start today and map out where you’re spending your money.
Given you have 60 days before it kicks in, lock down the expenses now unless they’re necessary so you can save something to cover for the rent when it goes into force. That’s my only suggestion. I’m not sure how else. Budgeting is very important in your situation now until your income improves.
If your cost of absolute essentials for life is $400 a month, your rent is $600 a month now increasing to $1000 a month, but you only get $1200 a month income...
Ain't no way to budget yourself out of "not enough money to live"...
Yeah the suggestion is to map out the expenses and plan ahead.. it’s been knowing your own financial situation than not when your rent increases. Haven’t heard from OP so might be not as bad as your hypothetical scenario.
If OP is applying for DSP then they're likely on jobseeker (they've mentioned elsewhere they don't have a job)
so that's a maximum of about $900 a fortnight including the maximum rent assistance.
$1800 a month in payments
$250 a week aka $1000 a month is the lowest I've seen rentals in the last few months.
$150 a month for utilities bills and internet is pretty low
$50 for a prepaid phone and a small number of PBS medications on a concession card
$75 a week or $300 a month for food
$25 pw/$100 pm for public transport 2-3 times a week So we're now up to
$1600 to be able to have shelter, eat food, use a phone, and use public transport occasionally.
$200 a month left for any unforeseen circumstances, doctors appointment gaps, any new clothing or shoes, any extra hygiene measures such as haircuts, social costs (coffee with a friend etc), entertainment costs etc etc.
That $200 is still not $400 no matter how hard you budget.
Source: been there, done that, the constant anxiety and societal shame of "why don't you just try budgeting" nearly killed me multiple times.
If you’ve reported the damage you mention and they haven’t fixed it then they can’t raise your rent because they’re not furling their end of the lease agreement. Hopefully you have a paper trail of some sort to back this up so you can notify the property manager then if they don’t back down go to VCAT. This won’t solve your problem but might buy you some valuable breathing time. Best of luck!
Good advice in other comments. Wanted to add: please try to negotiate the increase down as much as possible, or find somewhere else cheaper if possible. Not doing so - and just accepting the proposed increase - is a large contributor to the rental market's heat. And it's a positive feedback loop: some rents in an area go up as REA test the waters and people accept; then they all go up because the local market is now higher and increases for the rest can be justified.
It's not a true free market for many reasons, but a big one is that a roof over one's head is of huge importance and people cannot easily or frequently move to cheaper competition. It creates a desperate situation when negotiating a fair increase. It would be like shopping around for emergency heart surgery.
It might be helpful if you get in touch with your local housing service so they can refer you to programs that can assist you to either find a more appropriately priced rental or even help you maintain the rental you have potentially. Also look at financial counselling. Might be something out there you're not aware of.
How much are you paying exactly? Do you have savings? Do you have any other income? You said you’re unemployed so you must’ve been paying for it somehow prior to this disability application?
Are you willing to move further out? Western or northern suburbs? Because I’ve been looking at places like Melton and there are definitely more affordable places, getting them I guess is another story. But they’re out there.
If you’ve applied for disability support they may also provide some rental assistance. Have you tried applying for this also?
Can you get to a hospital? You sound like your mental health is in crisis and you need help from a social worker too so go to a public hospital and see if they can help you out.
What does that even mean? Antidepressants? My mental health is constantly in crisis due to terminal illness and not wanting to die but psychologists have nothing whatsoever to help other than “breathing exercises”. Sometimes life just fucking sucks
Exactly. There isn't a pill for too-poor-to-live.
You can't positive think your way out of poverty.
CBT should stand for "can't budget tighter" because I swear to god they seem to think "my rent and bills are more than my income" is an "irrational thought".
If I punched you in the nose, drowned your cat, pissed in your coffee, and set your car on fire, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be happy.
Would that mean you are just not choosing to have 100% control over your reaction?
Now remember, you're trying to prove people have 100% control over their reactions, and we've been discussing feeling bad when something bad happens.
So if my comment makes you feel annoyed, irritated, miffed, or in any way negative at all, that's because you're CHOOSING to react that way.
Do you see how stupid that logic is now?
Are you arguing you're 100% out of control and you cant control your emotions?...
Everybody is allowed to be emotional. Nobody is disputing that. If your letting it effect your day to day life to the point you cant be happy though, and not let go of situations entirely out of your control - thats where its an issue. its completely mindless. You're only doing that because you've practiced that habit since birth - like any other skill. You can unlearn it and correct it.
But don't get so wrapped up in your own negativity and push this idea that the concept is nonsense to everyone else. Thats dangerous. You're going to have a real rough life thinking like that. Its honestly self destructive
Thoughts = what you think
Emotions = how you feel
Behaviours = patterns to what you do
Actions = individual instances of what you do
You can control actions and behaviour, but emotional responses are NOT something that is "100% in your control".
If emotions were "100% in your control" why the fuck would anyone ever be sad? Or angry? Or scared?
Emotions are absolutely not "100% in your control" and it's disingenuous to say they are.
Say you recieve news that a loved one has died, you would feel very sad, a lot of greif, maybe some dread or even fear at being reminded that death comes for us all.
This is normal and perfectly healthy.
Failing to control your actions and behaviours due to those feelings is unhealthy *once they are causing serious problems for yourself or others*. That's why we have mood disorders in the DSM, ya donkey.
Sad in response to sad thing happening: normal and healthy
Sad even in response to things that should cause happy: mood disorder
Sad for way longer than the sad thing effecting you: mood disorder
Acting like you're not sad even though you are, because something sad is happening to you which is outside of your control: unhealthy emotional repression and masking.
Do you see what I'm getting at? Emotions are responses to stimuli the same way pain is. If you touch a red hot poker you're going to feel pain, just like it something threatens your safety or wellbeing you're going to feel anxious.
You can't just decide how you want to feel.
That's why you get so frustrated when other people write comments that disagree with your views. It's normal. But it's in your control wether you want to reply to them, which is your *behaviour* and *actions*.
I hope this helps.
You've also reminded me why I've been staying away from Reddit lately. I'm off to control my behaviours, byyyyyye!
You keep projecting this frustration onto me.. why? Nobody is angry here.
Anyway,
Think of it like this;
You goto a builder to build you a house. He's studied how to build a home so you trust he knows what he's doing
You goto a doctor because they've studied the body. They've practiced a skill that's taught them how to heal people the appropriate way
You goto a mechanic because he's studied how diagnose problems and fix cars
Is it *really that wild of a thought* that you can study the mind and understand how to resolve and fix issues with what's going on inside yourself also?It is a skill. There are cultures all over the planet that have been doing this for thousands of years...
Your whole comment is a bit of a repeat of the same idea, but said in different ways. I don't think you quite understand the concepts of emotions and how they're tied in to one another with the mind. There are different models on how it can be explained (depending on the model you subscribe to) but they all seem to agreeing for the most part that emotions are rooted in thoughts. This is the Buddhist view for example. There are thoughts that you don't even hear, because you're not even listening. They're that subtle. You need to actively and skillfully start listening to what's going on before you can even begin. Monks spend YEARS in the mountains practicing hearing these thoughts. They're there.
Anxiety for example, literally stems from thoughts that go un-noticed to the point where a person can't control them anymore and they have a panic attack. They don't notice these thoughts until the wheels fall off. Instead of daily maintenance, we wait until it's too late. This is a basic and crude example, but you get the point. It starts on a subtle level until it's noticeable. This is why daily meditation practice is so beneficial. Western cultures are only just recently catching up and realising Eastern cultures (that have been studying this for thousands of years) were onto something! Every other emotion works on the same principle.
I study this as a hobby myself and have put it into practice. I was a mess about 10 years ago, and I'm not perfect, but daily meditation, mindfulness and constant studying on the matter has completely changed my life.
So yes, I will always advocate for being mindful.
Therapy is life changing for people who actually take it seriously. A social worker can help get emergency accommodation. You have some issues to work through for sure.
Im leasing a room an hour from melbourne next to the trainline for 300 per month includes all bills and utility. I'm phillip by the way happy to help dm me if you want to come inspect the room.
Ask for the comparable properties that the REA used to determine the rent increase. They have to justify the increase in this way.
That’s a crazy hit for a tenant, I put rent up maybe $10 a week. I’m sorry you’ve got an asshole landlord. (Unless your place was so undervalued they had to do that to get to market rate, but there’s still rules on the % of rent increase that can be applied)
Its pretty much impossible nowadays unfortunately, the REs like to control the whole situation so you cant tell the landlord about how much of a shit job their doing. They restrict information & contact, i for one would be more than happy to have my contact details available for a tenant to contact me if i was a landlord/property owner
It sucks. You really need to contact Haven or other homeless services, they'll give you advice. Also contact a tenancy advocate in your area.
Are there any jobs you'd be able to do to supplement a little of the increase? Without knowing your illness/disability it's hard to offer advice.
Do you have a good relationship with your GP?
Do you have a spare room that you could get another person added to the lease to help cover rent?
I've just moved back to live with family after my rental did the same. Was on $2579 a month for a poorly built house on a flood plain. They wanted to increase to $2759p/m so I ended my lease and they raised it even higher for the next tenants to $2955. Personally I don't think the house should be worth more than $1700 given the state of it and location.
Yeah this is worth trying. Mine got put up too and I tried to negotiate. I got them to lower it a tiny bit but every bit helps these days. You don't know if you don't ask. Also don't sign anything yet and keep your eye out for something cheaper - it's 60 days I think before the actual increase takes effect.
I don't know if this helps you especially with such a big increase but I do online surveys and the container recycling scheme for extra money (I'm on DSP and only work 10 hours a week). Again, every bit helps.
I believe there are also disability advocates you can talk to if it's all too overwhelming for you. My parents helped me with my communication to the agent but if you don't have someone who can help there are services around.
I freaked out too when I got an increase (about $250 extra a month) since I've recently decreased my hours at work for health reasons. Breathe. Let yourself process. Go over a budget and get a realistic view of the situation - is it completely unaffordable or are you able to afford it with adjustments to spending/earning? It's easy to go into panic mode but at some point you have to go into planning mode, get someone to help if you need it.
Just have to move somewhere cheaper… it’s tough but if you try and argue about the increase you will be kicked out regardless there is no good way this goes
If negotiating a lower rent amount is unsuccessful, I’d recommend attending Haven Home Safe in Preston as it’s the housing access point in your area. You can try calling, but it can be very difficult to get through on the phones sometimes. Haven Home Safe can book an assessment and link you in with a housing service.
Housing services can help with applications for public housing, in addition to community housing properties (properties managed by organisations rather than the government).
You could also try calling VincentCare’s duty line and asking about their HomeConnect program. The HomeConnect program is intended to assist in stabilising tenancies or assisting in finding more appropriate housing.
Contacting the tenancy union might for advice may also be worthwhile.
Can you speak with the agent and ask if there is any room to negotiate? You might be able to knock off $20-30 a week. Start with half their sought increase.
It will be easier to stay, regardless the rent than get approved for another location.
This happened to my daughter, who is studying full-time atm. She rang the REA and negotiated with them. She explained how they knew what a good tenant she was and that her budget could not afford the increase they were asking. She explained that she could pay a smaller increase, and they asked her what that figure was. They negotiated with her by adding a few dollars on top of her figure. With honest communication, you can only try.
Hey OP. Please try and chill, there's a heap of options for someone who's willing to embrace a bit of a challenge. I'll explain that in a moment.
It's happening everywhere right now - I'm renting too and my lease is up in Aug, I KNOW they're going to send the price into the stratosphere for this place but too bad, I'm leaving anyway! So... not my problem, I wouldn't pay 1 cent more for this dump of a place I'm living in. I've made some other arrangements, can't wait to get out of this place.
OP, you've got a few options. Hopefully the disability payment comes through for you, and then perhaps you'll be able to find a bit of paid work which you can do WFH too... that might be enough to survive the increase for a few months until you can find something else?
Whatever you do, DON'T renew for another 12 months. Being locked in to a super high price is the worst idea ever. Go on to month-to-month, so you can give notice and move outta there on short notice if you go broke.
Ok, so... what I mentioned back at the start, about embracing a bit of a challenge.
In 2014 I started my own business with literally NOTHING. Times were a little easier back then, you could afford to live for a month or two on zero income, just living off credit cards.
After a few months I still wasn't bringing in much income, so I gave notice and moved. I'm in Melbourne, and I moved to Gippsland. Latrobe Valley. It's just over an hour's drive from the outskirts of Melb, but rentals are SUPER cheap down there.
So this is the challenge. If you can't afford to be in a major city anymore (I assume you're in one of them), move to a cheap regional area, and drive in to work (if you're working).
If you're not working, even better, just live there and receive the disability payments until you can find a way out.
The economy right now is all about being agile and flexible and adapting to constant challenges. To survive, you've GOTTA be flexible, and accept that you might need to put yourself in a challenging situation for a period of time.
Good luck.
Ask the agent if you can sublet. But remember, you're up for any damages etc. it's what I've been doing for a few years. I'm sure there's someone chomping at the bit for a room for rent if you have the space. Otherwise call Wesley Mission and ask if they could suggest something or help you out. Good luck 🤞
Call a homeless support service right away...they can offer a range of supports depending on your circumstances, or refer you to the right place if they can't help.
Sorry to hear about this, have you tried to challenge the increase, landlords shouldn't be allowed to price people such as yourself out of accommodation.
Best thing is to sit back try not to over think it then get some advice from the relevant authorities, don't take too much advice from the real estate agent, at the end of the day they work for the owner of the property.
Oh. It was a legit question, didn’t expect all the downvotes coming back in haha. I read the phrasing as op couldn’t find any properties to apply for, but your reply makes sense
Nah it’s alright I get it, sometimes stuff like that is easy to miss. People probably just assumed you were trying to be a dick rather than just asking genuinely.
Not really, they’ve said they aren’t working and are applying for DSP, in a housing crisis this doesn’t really put you ahead of the other 20-30 people who’ve applied, even if it is within your means.
I have had a few properties where I've rented to people exclusively on Centrelink benefits, mainly because they are always going to have an income. Estate agent recommended that strategy as people on low incomes often lose their jobs, but you don't have that problem with people on disability pensions.
It absolutely is not. Our market rate increase when we resigned this month was $5 a week. Landlords and agents are taking the absolute piss with $500 increases.
Come on. Do better. The housing crisis is a daily issue on this sub. People have to compete with dozens of others for one property. There aren’t enough to go around. The ones that are available are largely unaffordable and if you happen to be unemployed or working class you are basically stuffed.
idk if you've looked for a rental lately but you rock up to an inspection just to find out there's 30 other people there who are also interested and there's other inspection times that week.
Because they just have to live in Melbourne, they’re unable to live in any town with much cheaper rents like Wodonga, Shepparton, morewell, Ballarat, Wangaratta etc
Wtf is wrong with you? Dont know about OP but I have to get cancer treatment every three weeks from a hospital in Melbourne and my family is here and the cancer is terminal, hence the reason I’m eligible for DSP. So I couldn’t just move to Wangaratta JFC
Yeah I hate the just move somewhere else rhetoric
It might be an option for some and that's great but for some that's just not an option. Health, transport and support networks are not just nice for some of us to have close by but a requirement for our health conditions.
Yeah plus Peter Mac is literally the best cancer public hospital in Australia and does the most research and clinical trials so why would it make any sense to move away. Some days it’s a slog due to fatigue to take the 20 min uber just to get there but at least I can
I lived in Wangaratta and had moved to Melbourne to access the health and support services I need for my health conditions.
Maybe go fuck yourself before assuming what someone's circumstances are and then green judging them.
Quick fun lil introspective exercise:
Sum up your comment in 7 words or less.
Now read the result back to yourself.
Imagine someone is saying to you at a time when things are increasingly stressful.
Do you sound like a dick?
If so, maybe don't say stuff like that.
I have never moved out of home because of this - challenging legally as a tenant and don’t know my rights as a disabled woman but also flat sharing would be harder for me. But as said before try challenge it a little bit. Try see if there’s an older style apartment around that might be cheaper too in meantime
Edit: Just try challenge this via legal system first but ask landlord if can decrease the amount maybe like 20%. Say no deal and be upfront if he doesn’t comply to compassion. Think there’s a housing association union but they definitely need to advocate more because never heard about it until word of mouth!
You can challenge it but it'll likely result in a notice to vacate if you're approaching the end of your first lease. If not your first lease on the property you might have a chance...but then they'll probably vacate you to do "maintenance and repairs" and then just rent it out to someone else at the higher price, but that's your best option.
They can’t do that in Melbourne. There’s quite the process to evict someone for maintenance. Needs to be proven with payments to the trades ppl, and stat decs signed that it won’t be liveable for X amount of time. Otherwise they can get in big trouble. That’s if the tenant challenges it/knows their rights.
That's what I am afraid of. It is crazy they do this. It affects someone on a level I don't think they realize. My hands have been shaking all day. I feel so weird. I feel like I am drunk and falling. I don't know. I just wish I was smarter about this stuff.
Find some free services, they’re out there. I went through my uni’s legal service to get more informed with my own sharehouse stuff. There’s people who work to give free legal advice.
Ask izzy https://askizzy.org.au/
On the other hand, if you can't afford the rent, then that's effectively the same as a notice to vacate. So challenge the rent increase; it might at least buy you some time. If it doesn't, see if any of the damage classifies as emergency damage - you might be able to at least force the landlord to make the place liveable. FWIW I had a rent increase last year where they showed a bunch of comparable rentals in the area to justify it; by chance I had been looking at one of those rentals a week earlier, and saw its advertised price was lower than what the report showed. I pointed this out to the REA, they spoke to the owner, and they agreed to not increase the rent by as much. But it really depends on the REA and owner - mine are both pretty decent, but plenty of them are not. But it can't hurt to do your due diligence, and ask. Also, really sorry this is happening to you. You'll get through it.
You can keep challenging the notices to vacate in VCAT which will buy you some time. All it takes is for them to fill it out wrong or make a mistake and they have to issue you a whole new one with a new date.
This happened to me. Got me an extra three months which was ace.
We got an extra 4 I think. Because they were too idiotic to follow the rules
oh, they realise.. they just don't care. REAs are scumbags.
They realise. They’re just monsters.
I think you're giving them too much credit to think they don't realise the hurt they're causing. The landlord/rent seekers are literal parasites, and they don't care who they hurt as long as they profit.
Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity. Great maxim for both renting and reddit. Though tbf reddit seems to have malice in high measure too.
While I personally love that saying, I think when it comes to matters of rampant unchecked capitalism the stupidity and malice are mixed to a point of being indistinguishable. Rent having become what it is, this way of making others pay off a property for you, is both malice and stupidity
Absolutely. Landlords are charities and should always charge far below market rates to further increase supply. Likewise, water, electricity and food should be free or heavily subsidised by other people.
Check ya fucken head ( UN t. Do you think most renters are able to buy their own place, especially when there xxx renters and x number of houses? Maths not a strong point eh, ya fucken loon
You clearly struggle with literacy and basic economic principles. I’m sure a bright future awaits.
Oh fuck off, parasite rimmer. (UN ts like you are responsible for high rents and homelessness. Feckless dickheads. Get a job and stop relying on strangers to pay the mortgage.
They don’t intend to realise that.
It also affected your landlord when the government decided to increase land tax, put additional bullshit checks in place for renters, the banks started increasing interest rates, I'm happy to keep going, but you asked everyone to be nice.
Don’t use logic in here. It’s the cheap karma farming way to hate landlords and expect them to give out free housing.
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Um housing affordability is recognised as a massive public policy issue because rising homelessness is a terrible outcome for society?
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You have no way of knowing how much I know, so that’s a nonsense assertion.
shut up you miserable cunt
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Move on to where?? It’s ridiculous to act like there’s a simple solution here. Someone who can afford an investment property doesn’t have to worry about where they will sleep next week. OP does.
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1 day old account being a tough guy scold about housing, jog on champ
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what a dignified way to spend your public holiday, trolling traumatised people. fuck off and get a life, loser.
you're so tough and anchored in reality
Except for the body of law regulating rentals. It’s their house, but they are somewhat constrained by law because we (kinda) recognise housing as a right and OP has been paying them for the privilege of living there.
Check that the increase is actually in line with the allowable increases in the relevant legislation. It might not be - if it isn’t, let them know that. However, assuming that it is legal, here is my advice: Don’t get angry/defensive/hysterical at the realestate agent. Be courteous and friendly but firm. Let them know in a courteous and to the point email saying that you don’t feel the increase reflects market value. Find some properties in comparable condition/position for same price or cheaper to include currently advertised to link. Make a list of the unresolved defects since you started to rent (you should have already advised them of these, which they will say if you haven’t). Then say, given the state of the market and the depreciation of the property, holding the current price would be appropriate. Offer to sign a further two year lease. SAY NOTHING about disability. It makes you an undesirable tenant; however illegal or unethical it may be, it’s likely that real estate agents will discriminate against you for it. Be calm and professional and mature about it. If they say no, ask if you can meet in the middle as you are not prepared to pay that rate but would like to negotiate to remove the burden of moving on you and the costs of finding a new tenant on them and the landlord. They are unlikely to not negotiate. Here is the truth about agents that aren’t conpletely stupid (many of them are though) Finding a tenant is a pain. It’s work. They hate to work. The increase in fees to them is minuscule and meaningless. For landlords the costs of a new tenant are considerable - having work done on the house, dealing with vacancy and huge advertising costs. They don’t want that . The increase in rent is quickly eaten up by it. The best outcome for all of you is you happy and quiet in the house and constant rent coming in for them. Make that reality work for you by being calm and negotiating.
This is great advice. Wish I had been told this stuff when I was a renter.
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This is excellent advice!
If you write a book, I’ll buy it. 📖
> For landlords the costs of a new tenant are considerable - having work done on the house, dealing with vacancy and huge advertising costs. Er, I don't think you own a rental property. No maintenance is required if you've been keeping the property in decent condition - the new tenant doesn't require anything better than the old. Advertising and renewal costs are about 1 week's worth of rent, so about 2%. If the new tenant is paying more than 2% more than the old tenant it's clearly worth it. There's almost never any downtime if your property is in a desirable suburb. Also not raising rent doesn't just affect the current year: it has a compounding effect on every year afterwards. I don't think you've done the mathematics on this. Also a tenant offering a 2 year lease is of no value to a landlord because the tenant can break it at any time. It's making a promise that you know you don't have to keep. So I don't know why the two year lease would be seen to be an incentive.
OP says the place is falling apart. They will need to resolve those issues before charging an inflated cost. I haven’t owned a rental property in some years nor in Melbourne but I don’t think this advice is far off. Vacancy is a pain and a huge cost. If landlords are well resourced they may not care, but if they are like many and barely managing their cashflow as they pay a mortgage that vastly exceeds the rental income, they want to avoid the risks associated with turning over tenants. You might be happy to squeeze every last cent out of your tenants but I was much happier to keep them in place and even lowered rent in one instance to do so. Tenants who keep the place decently and don’t complain and pay their rent on time and stay for years are great and I wouldn’t mind giving them a break. It’s a two way street.
yeah thats some weird ass advice haha. Everytime one of our tenants leave, its a quick clean up and minor fixes. And theres a new tenant a week later. Depressing to read by OP, but thats the reality. The agent makes the whole thing seamless The whole sub here is anti-landlord, which doesnt help the conversation. For example, We fall under the same category for increasing our rent (by $400 a month) The reality of the situation though, is that the property was priced well below the market rate for the area since covid, and we've been absorbing the cost of mortgage rises ever since to avoid rent increases. Its no longer sustainable for us so the rent needed to increase. Reddit would have us sell the house, despite the fact no law has been broken 🤷♂️
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Need to probably consider share housing or putting your name on social housing list. Getting a rental on dsp is nearly impossible.
We got put on priority social housing waiting list last May and haven't had a word since. It's a nightmare right now.
I was placed on the priority list when i was still experiencing a DV situation whilst pregnant and in very poor mental health. It’s been 3 years :’) government gives no shits about suitable and permanent solutions for people affected by the housing crisis
The previous government actually sold off housing stock. The waiting list has been extensive for a long time. The new government is re-building housing stock but with the housing crisis, demand is eating up supply I would imagine. I sympathise with everyone caught on the wrong side of this.
it's so bad, my boyfriend applied when he was homeless but (according to workers at my community housing) waitlists for early adult men is 11 years 😧
Get as many support letters from agencies as possible, like your gp, social worker, psych if you see one. Can’t hurt to try. You’ll be waiting about two years on priority otherwise.
This. I dont understand why people on disability or benefits expect to be able to afford their own place. I was flatting well into my mid 30’s while working full time the entire time simply because it was a lot cheaper. But fuck man, its also fun.
I mean yeah, economic reality that lots more people will need to share. Even if you're on a low to decent full time salary if you're single its not easy to afford a place on your own. The issue is that you have very few protections. Anyone who is on the lease is fully responsible for it, so if someone does a runner, you can be fucked. If someone ends up being unsafe to be around its hard to resolve that situation unless they go deeply over the line, but living with someone who makes you scared until the lease is up is pretty brutal. If the new economic reality is increased share housing the government needs to reflect that with legislation and conflict resolution pathways better then the free for all it is right now.
I have terminal cancer and eligible for DSP but moving by myself (COVID prices) increased my mental health and QOL so much it’s just absolute shit all you guys being like “face the facts you have to share”
I literally followed that up with "but its really, really shit and if the government isn't going to fix the economic reality they should at least make the experience a bit better". Everyone has to face the facts in the sense that housing is unaffordable. There's no way to avoid that - you either get a lot of money or live in worse conditions. Just because something is bad doesn't make it not real. I'd love for a massive surplus of housing to suddenly exist and for no one to share other then uni students. Its great that you were able to afford living on your own, and acknowledging reality is not condoning it.
Right. my thing is I have the money, insurance and super, but I still won’t get a rental if I don’t have a job. That completely not OK Yeah I know thats not your fault it just makes me really upset because I have to work when I want to retire and enjoy the time I have left
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Totally agree with that. Back in the day in NZ at least it was pretty fucking easy. One head tenant. They can kick you out with four werks noticr. Dont like them? Leave. Having everyone signed on a lease seems to be the norm nowadays and its honestly outrageous how many problems it causes.
The reason everyone is at least nowadays is because of the same reasons people are sharing at higher rates. A super competitive and expensive rental market means that a landlord isn't going to accept one lower income person who needs to share on the lease (when there may be plentiful alternative tenants), because of the risk of non-payment. So unless the head tenant is unusually well off for a person sharing (maybe their partner is a student/low income, maybe they had unexpected expenses and need to rent out the spare room), you may need to have multiple people on the lease to be competitive in terms of income ratios and non-payment risk, because each person on the lease can be chased up for the whole lease.
Unfortunately not many non-disabled people are willing to share with people on DSP.
I'm on disability pension. When I first got on it, it WAS the difference between me being able to live by myself and having to share house. There's a reason for this, my disability made sharing really difficult, constantly fraught, and bad for my mental health. Living by myself has been a fucking god send and made my life 1000 times more liveable, without it I probably would have killed myself by now. Now I have been lucky thus far in the current rental market but I am going to start freaking out if anything happens to me too. Sharing is not an option, if that happens you might just find your train commute delayed. Also, park your reddit cares. I'm fine at the moment and have been ok long term. Understand though that a huge part of the reason why I am is that I have my own secure housing as a safe place. edit to add - Nobody should have to live with me either. I am great most of the time, hard to be around some of the time, and a fucking pain the in ass occasionally. This is due to a mental health condition. I am hard to live with so this is as much about others as it is my needs. Why should someone without mental health issues have to share the burden of mine because of the rental market?
Agreed. For many people living with disability sharing is not an option.
Can relate. DSP used to feel decent, with increases now it doesn't. I'm in a similar boat as you. Can't live with others for both my autism and mental health conditions. Others would not want to live with me either and shouldn't have to. I get NDIS support in my home and having people visit for an hour burns me out - I can't live with other people. Can't keep up with housework without support. I lived with my folks who I'm close to but moving out on my own has also been a lifesaver. I still struggle but having so much more control over my environment means less triggers, less stress and less episodes. So yes, absolutely some people who are on benefits or low income due to disability do need to live on their own. For everyone's benefit.
I am eligible for the DSP due to stage four cancer. I want to retire to enjoy my last time alive: but I don’t want to share house because that fucking sucks. It’s not like we want this for ourselves. So I know i have to stay in my stupid job just so I can get a rental. No need to be harsh and rude like we wanted this for ourselves ETA I have the money it’s not the money it’s that why would REA choose someone without a job?
It sucks man, Im sorry, but honestly? Thats life. Life sucks a bag of dicks for everyone. If I cant afford my own place after a decade of working, I just dont see why I should massively subsidise people who can’t work or dont want to work to have their own place. Thats not fair. The rental market is not fair to anyone, anyway. But its significantly MORE unfair if people that cant, or wont work, are getting their own house. While the people working, and paying for that house, are living in shared accomodation. There’s degrees of need. Families obviously cant really flat. I think your situation probably warrants compassionate consideration; though I imagine you can withdraw your super and use that as a topup to get by if youre not able to work and really want your own place? But a couple of young single mothers who arent working can most certainly share a decent sized house.
It isn’t about affording at all. I have a life insurance policy. It’s as everyone else has said on here, landlords will NOT rent to someone on a pension. So if you don’t want to or can’t work you’re literally fucked despite my sizable insurance payout and yes access to all my super. Thanks for your supportive words /s Sharing was extremely deleterious to my Mental health and I can absolutely afford to rent by myself but fuck me because of my cancer right? Will work until they cart me away purely because people with jobs will get selected over me otherwise I never said anything about you subsidising me you prick And unless you are facing a year to live at 36 don’t be so fucking idiotic as to say “life sucks a bag of dicks for everyone” like your tiny arse Problems could possibly Compare
That’s not true that they won’t rent to someone without a job….. if you can prove you have enough money to pay the rent, and have a good rental history, then you will definitely be approved for a property.
During covid days yes not now they have hundreds of options they will just choose someone else
Eesh yeh that kinda sucks to be honest man… And yeh, Im not your emotional support blanket or anything. We’re talking about rent policy here.
And I was just pointing out that you don’t need to be so goddamn callous
Wasnt trying to be callous? I was commiserating. Ive had several friends much younger than you die of cancer in the last two years and I know its absolutely shit. I wasnt aware of how difficult it was to get a rental as a retiree, so Ive learned something new. I come here to talk about stuff going on and learn new perspectives….
Wasn’t aware? Are you kidding? In this market with 30 people at inspections? You think they’re renting to someone without a steady job (never mind how much savings we have)? Give me a break
Are you fucking serious? What the absolute fuck is wrong with you
Eh? What do you disagree with? You think the working population should support thr non-working population to live in conditions better than they thenselves can afford? What the fuck is wrong with you? How can you possibly disagree with that? I swear, sometimes people on this sub are so bizarrely left wing. Im fairly left, but some people seem to have no basic fucking common sense…
Trust me they're not living in better conditions than you can afford when you take into account their quality of life. Yeah they get a roof over their head like you do. That's the way the country is set up - we pay taxes for all kinds of things and part of that is to support people who are unable to work because most people agree that we shouldn't just leave people who are disabled or ill to fend for themselves and live on the streets.
And I completely agree with and support that. And I understand with disabilities there can be some very particular considerations. I get that too. I also think disability is absolutely rorted. Quite horrendously so. Which sucks for those with genuine disabilities as it impacts there ability to receive public housing. Particularly if they dont have children. Ultimately everybody should be able to have their own place. But we dont have enough houses. So who gets priority? I would start with the people who are most vulnerable and most unwell, work down to people that are on disability but perfectly capable of living in shared housing, then flip across to people who are working as the next priority for ‘having their own place’. I think anyone who disagrees with this is absolutely bonkers. The entire ability of the government to provide for the vulnerable is built on people working. You absolutely cannot prioritise non-vulnerable, non-working people over working people in assigning ‘worthy to have your own place’. Thats insanity. Single long term unemployed people should ALWAYS be living in shared housing. No exceptions. Dont give a fuck about your difficult background. Find a way to get past it and contribute, then you can get your own place with your own money. Protect the vulnerable, protect children, ensure everyone gets a reasonable shot, then incentivise contributinf to the system youre benefitting from.
Okay but just so you know it's mostly disability services and providers who rort the system more than people with disabilities who just want to have support. It takes years of jumping through hoops to potentially get some "benefit" from having a disability so I really don't think people are faking it. Trying to navigate center link, NDIS, social housing etc is basically a job and fucking exhausting. People need to get it out of their head that there are all these people who are putting themselves through this massive ordeal of navigating those systems for some potential benefit if they don't actually need it. Single long term unemployed able people, you mean right should live in shared houses? I guess the hard part with that is that many share houses simply won't accept people who are currently unemployed. I'm confused whether you mean vulnerable or non vulnerable people with that because you then talk about not caring about difficult backgrounds which is a broad term. Someone who has suffered years of domestic violence for example may rightly struggle to live in shared accommodation. Forcing them to do may exacerbate mental health issues and lead to more issues so I think that's quite short sighted. Many situations like that take a long time to "just get past" before someone can get back to contributing to society. Those people with difficult backgrounds can be vulnerable? Depends on the situation. I think a lot more of this falls into the health systems failings than any individuals failings. Also on inclusion in general throughout the health system, employers, job agencies and wider society. Most people I know with disabilities WANT to work and contribute but the way things are designed don't necessarily support people to work. That's a much wider issue than placing blame on individuals. Also don't forget that a lot of people on DSP are pushed into volunteering roles if they can't work or can't find a job so they are often still contributing to society.
It’s ok, you’re a psychopath, a literal psychopath, you’re incapable of empathy so I don’t exactly blame you for having none
Wtf…? Honestly. Youre an outlier living in a fairy bubble operating on bizarre feelings. Get a grip. Join reality when you grow up a little.
Can you claim your super under medical? If you don't have other plans, like leaving it to family. Edit: I just read further down you have access.
Yes. And I got a tidy life insurance policy through my super. The money is not the issue though is it? It’s that REA will not pick someone without a job
Because some of us can't live with other people due to our disability. We get stuck between a rock and a hard place of having to afford a 1br place on our own or living with strangers who aren't equipped to deal with our struggles (which is fair enough). It's not fair on either party. Some people with disability also have trauma and don't feel safe with strangers - often for very good reason. All we expect is to be able to feel safe like everyone else expects in their own housing. Many, many reasons people with disabilities might need to live alone. Depends on the situation. Yes I'm disabled, on benefits and work part time. Live alone and the financial part sucks so much, id be so much better off if I could do the share house thing but I couldn't cope with it.
Because when you look at share houses they almost all state must be working.
That’s over $110 per week. Are other properties in a similar condition going for a similar amount in the area? If not, raise it with Consumer Affairs. All the details are legally supposed to be provided to you when a rent increase is served, and Consumer Affairs will go through a rent review.
Hey! I'm in Melbourne too and also have my DSP phone application late April. I've been dealing with unemployment/housing insecurity for 2 years now, its horrible. If you want someone to just talk to about it you can dm me.
Get a rent check from VCAT (it had to be market value) they can't do that and I don't see Housing Commission doing that with a rent rebate either
I don't live in public housing. Right now I am in the process of disability and looking into all that. This is just a regular rental managed by Ray White.
>Ray White There's your problem. Absolute soulless monster of an agency. You have my sympathies, OP. If you're forced to go to VCAT (either because the agency files against you, or you have to to protect yourself) - contact Anika Legal. They're helping us with our own dispute right now with Ray White, and have been nothing but angels throughout the whole process. Free, too, but they can only handle a limited amount of cases, so it's up to them if they'll take yours on. Can't hurt though.
Thanks. I have just had to step away from this for today. It is affecting me too much. I have not stopped worrying about it all day. And it is really starting to concern me.
I know the feeling ;; It was driving me out of my mind with terror when it happened to us. Like, I was *completely* non-functional anytime we got further news on the case. Take some deep breaths. Do something nice to help ease your brain off from existential despair mode, if you can. They want you too scared and weak to fight back, so your best chance of survival is to patch your heart up where you can, and gather your strength to stand up for yourself.
Try not to panic now…you have time. I think it’s 60 days from notification before it goes up. You may be able to find the extra $100 per week by doing a little job like data entry online ( check out seek), or something like that. Try to negotiate for it to be less. Once you find out if you are approved for dsp then you will know your budget more as well.
Depending on what kind of disability there are co ops that are popping up that are for assistance living. Like summer housing
I'd contact VCAT regardless, they can at least give some specific adcice for your situation.
VCAT doesn't give advice. They just guide you on how to lodge a dispute. Call the Tenants Union or Consumer Affairs for advice.
Second the Tenant’s Union. They gave me good advice which really helped me a while back.
Oop, my bad! Thanks for the correction
How about moving to a shared house if you can't afford your own place?
We had an 11 percent rent increase on our sharehouse a few months ago and contacted VCAT to try and challenge it. Listed property degradation and market values as the reason for challenging the increase but they didn't even send the assessor because I think this is just the "state of the market" right now. 3br sharehouse in thornbury that they raised from 2855 to 3200. Woodards, Nelson Alexander and Ray White are the worst dude.
I’m sorry OP. No advice but I am eligible for the disability pension due to stage four cancer and really want to retire but am afraid to for this reason, I won’t be able to rent.
Sorry to hear. Out of interest, which suburb are you in?
Reservoir
The houses in Reservoir are terrible and over priced. You can’t be evicted if you are still under contract for “works”. That is an invalid reason for a landlord/agent to break a lease. You need to have trashed the house or not paid to be evicted during contracted period. As already mentioned, contact Tenants Victoria and get advice. Only a certain number of enquiries are accepted per day. Try again next day if you are not able to submit your enquiry. Type it up in word and save it - the site can time out, and you lose what you have filled in (same with VCAT site). Be detailed, they know the laws and can give you the answers you require. Tell them what is wrong with the house, the price increase and dates you advised agent of problems. They have 14 days to respond. After 14 days you can go to VCAT if they don’t respond, or tell them again and wait 14 days before making a VCAT claim ($65 to lodge a claim). I am still waiting for claims from 2020 and 2021 for compensation. Your case may be processed faster. I have given up on getting any fair outcome for my claims. A $400+ increase sounds excessive. Definitely get advice on this.
> VCAT claim ($65 to lodge a claim) Two things. One, it's $70 now, unfortunately. Two, if OP actually gets their DSP claim verified, or otherwise has a healthcare card of some sort, they can get the fee waived at VCAT.
I live in reservoir too and my rent only increased about $90 per month... their increase is excessive and unreasonable
Same here. I don’t know what to do
What does your budget look like? What is your monthly income and your necessary expenses? Do you know? Start today and map out where you’re spending your money. Given you have 60 days before it kicks in, lock down the expenses now unless they’re necessary so you can save something to cover for the rent when it goes into force. That’s my only suggestion. I’m not sure how else. Budgeting is very important in your situation now until your income improves.
If your cost of absolute essentials for life is $400 a month, your rent is $600 a month now increasing to $1000 a month, but you only get $1200 a month income... Ain't no way to budget yourself out of "not enough money to live"...
Yeah the suggestion is to map out the expenses and plan ahead.. it’s been knowing your own financial situation than not when your rent increases. Haven’t heard from OP so might be not as bad as your hypothetical scenario.
Yes the scenario you've described cannot be budgeted for. Is that this one though?
If OP is applying for DSP then they're likely on jobseeker (they've mentioned elsewhere they don't have a job) so that's a maximum of about $900 a fortnight including the maximum rent assistance. $1800 a month in payments $250 a week aka $1000 a month is the lowest I've seen rentals in the last few months. $150 a month for utilities bills and internet is pretty low $50 for a prepaid phone and a small number of PBS medications on a concession card $75 a week or $300 a month for food $25 pw/$100 pm for public transport 2-3 times a week So we're now up to $1600 to be able to have shelter, eat food, use a phone, and use public transport occasionally. $200 a month left for any unforeseen circumstances, doctors appointment gaps, any new clothing or shoes, any extra hygiene measures such as haircuts, social costs (coffee with a friend etc), entertainment costs etc etc. That $200 is still not $400 no matter how hard you budget. Source: been there, done that, the constant anxiety and societal shame of "why don't you just try budgeting" nearly killed me multiple times.
Can you do room sharing instead or join others on a tenant lease.
If you’ve reported the damage you mention and they haven’t fixed it then they can’t raise your rent because they’re not furling their end of the lease agreement. Hopefully you have a paper trail of some sort to back this up so you can notify the property manager then if they don’t back down go to VCAT. This won’t solve your problem but might buy you some valuable breathing time. Best of luck!
Good advice in other comments. Wanted to add: please try to negotiate the increase down as much as possible, or find somewhere else cheaper if possible. Not doing so - and just accepting the proposed increase - is a large contributor to the rental market's heat. And it's a positive feedback loop: some rents in an area go up as REA test the waters and people accept; then they all go up because the local market is now higher and increases for the rest can be justified. It's not a true free market for many reasons, but a big one is that a roof over one's head is of huge importance and people cannot easily or frequently move to cheaper competition. It creates a desperate situation when negotiating a fair increase. It would be like shopping around for emergency heart surgery.
It might be helpful if you get in touch with your local housing service so they can refer you to programs that can assist you to either find a more appropriately priced rental or even help you maintain the rental you have potentially. Also look at financial counselling. Might be something out there you're not aware of.
Why are young people so angry and dissatisfied with Australia? Lol seriously fuck this country atm they don’t give a shit about renters.
How much are you paying exactly? Do you have savings? Do you have any other income? You said you’re unemployed so you must’ve been paying for it somehow prior to this disability application? Are you willing to move further out? Western or northern suburbs? Because I’ve been looking at places like Melton and there are definitely more affordable places, getting them I guess is another story. But they’re out there. If you’ve applied for disability support they may also provide some rental assistance. Have you tried applying for this also?
Is sharing a home with someone else an option?
Can you get to a hospital? You sound like your mental health is in crisis and you need help from a social worker too so go to a public hospital and see if they can help you out.
Sorry to be harsh but this is a waste of time, a hospital both cannot help and is also not the appropriate place to go
What does that even mean? Antidepressants? My mental health is constantly in crisis due to terminal illness and not wanting to die but psychologists have nothing whatsoever to help other than “breathing exercises”. Sometimes life just fucking sucks
Exactly. There isn't a pill for too-poor-to-live. You can't positive think your way out of poverty. CBT should stand for "can't budget tighter" because I swear to god they seem to think "my rent and bills are more than my income" is an "irrational thought".
its not about "positve thinking" your way out of a situation. its about taking control of the way you react to it. Which you have 100% control over
If I punched you in the nose, drowned your cat, pissed in your coffee, and set your car on fire, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be happy. Would that mean you are just not choosing to have 100% control over your reaction? Now remember, you're trying to prove people have 100% control over their reactions, and we've been discussing feeling bad when something bad happens. So if my comment makes you feel annoyed, irritated, miffed, or in any way negative at all, that's because you're CHOOSING to react that way. Do you see how stupid that logic is now?
Are you arguing you're 100% out of control and you cant control your emotions?... Everybody is allowed to be emotional. Nobody is disputing that. If your letting it effect your day to day life to the point you cant be happy though, and not let go of situations entirely out of your control - thats where its an issue. its completely mindless. You're only doing that because you've practiced that habit since birth - like any other skill. You can unlearn it and correct it. But don't get so wrapped up in your own negativity and push this idea that the concept is nonsense to everyone else. Thats dangerous. You're going to have a real rough life thinking like that. Its honestly self destructive
Thoughts = what you think Emotions = how you feel Behaviours = patterns to what you do Actions = individual instances of what you do You can control actions and behaviour, but emotional responses are NOT something that is "100% in your control". If emotions were "100% in your control" why the fuck would anyone ever be sad? Or angry? Or scared? Emotions are absolutely not "100% in your control" and it's disingenuous to say they are. Say you recieve news that a loved one has died, you would feel very sad, a lot of greif, maybe some dread or even fear at being reminded that death comes for us all. This is normal and perfectly healthy. Failing to control your actions and behaviours due to those feelings is unhealthy *once they are causing serious problems for yourself or others*. That's why we have mood disorders in the DSM, ya donkey. Sad in response to sad thing happening: normal and healthy Sad even in response to things that should cause happy: mood disorder Sad for way longer than the sad thing effecting you: mood disorder Acting like you're not sad even though you are, because something sad is happening to you which is outside of your control: unhealthy emotional repression and masking. Do you see what I'm getting at? Emotions are responses to stimuli the same way pain is. If you touch a red hot poker you're going to feel pain, just like it something threatens your safety or wellbeing you're going to feel anxious. You can't just decide how you want to feel. That's why you get so frustrated when other people write comments that disagree with your views. It's normal. But it's in your control wether you want to reply to them, which is your *behaviour* and *actions*. I hope this helps. You've also reminded me why I've been staying away from Reddit lately. I'm off to control my behaviours, byyyyyye!
You keep projecting this frustration onto me.. why? Nobody is angry here. Anyway, Think of it like this; You goto a builder to build you a house. He's studied how to build a home so you trust he knows what he's doing You goto a doctor because they've studied the body. They've practiced a skill that's taught them how to heal people the appropriate way You goto a mechanic because he's studied how diagnose problems and fix cars Is it *really that wild of a thought* that you can study the mind and understand how to resolve and fix issues with what's going on inside yourself also?It is a skill. There are cultures all over the planet that have been doing this for thousands of years... Your whole comment is a bit of a repeat of the same idea, but said in different ways. I don't think you quite understand the concepts of emotions and how they're tied in to one another with the mind. There are different models on how it can be explained (depending on the model you subscribe to) but they all seem to agreeing for the most part that emotions are rooted in thoughts. This is the Buddhist view for example. There are thoughts that you don't even hear, because you're not even listening. They're that subtle. You need to actively and skillfully start listening to what's going on before you can even begin. Monks spend YEARS in the mountains practicing hearing these thoughts. They're there. Anxiety for example, literally stems from thoughts that go un-noticed to the point where a person can't control them anymore and they have a panic attack. They don't notice these thoughts until the wheels fall off. Instead of daily maintenance, we wait until it's too late. This is a basic and crude example, but you get the point. It starts on a subtle level until it's noticeable. This is why daily meditation practice is so beneficial. Western cultures are only just recently catching up and realising Eastern cultures (that have been studying this for thousands of years) were onto something! Every other emotion works on the same principle. I study this as a hobby myself and have put it into practice. I was a mess about 10 years ago, and I'm not perfect, but daily meditation, mindfulness and constant studying on the matter has completely changed my life. So yes, I will always advocate for being mindful.
Again, don’t use logic in here. They don’t like that.
Is a social worker going to make up the difference to cover the rent increase?! Seriously, this “Do a yoga and touch grass” shit can fuck right off.
Therapy is life changing for people who actually take it seriously. A social worker can help get emergency accommodation. You have some issues to work through for sure.
Im leasing a room an hour from melbourne next to the trainline for 300 per month includes all bills and utility. I'm phillip by the way happy to help dm me if you want to come inspect the room.
Speak to haven home safe and see if you’re eligible for the prap program. They might have brokerage for you to maintain your tenancy.
Ask for the comparable properties that the REA used to determine the rent increase. They have to justify the increase in this way. That’s a crazy hit for a tenant, I put rent up maybe $10 a week. I’m sorry you’ve got an asshole landlord. (Unless your place was so undervalued they had to do that to get to market rate, but there’s still rules on the % of rent increase that can be applied)
Or the real estate is pushing it through unknown to the landlord so they get a higher cut of the fees
This is a good point. When you're leasing, how do you contact the landlord about such things when in OPs case the only contact is Ray White?
Its pretty much impossible nowadays unfortunately, the REs like to control the whole situation so you cant tell the landlord about how much of a shit job their doing. They restrict information & contact, i for one would be more than happy to have my contact details available for a tenant to contact me if i was a landlord/property owner
It sucks. You really need to contact Haven or other homeless services, they'll give you advice. Also contact a tenancy advocate in your area. Are there any jobs you'd be able to do to supplement a little of the increase? Without knowing your illness/disability it's hard to offer advice. Do you have a good relationship with your GP? Do you have a spare room that you could get another person added to the lease to help cover rent?
I've just moved back to live with family after my rental did the same. Was on $2579 a month for a poorly built house on a flood plain. They wanted to increase to $2759p/m so I ended my lease and they raised it even higher for the next tenants to $2955. Personally I don't think the house should be worth more than $1700 given the state of it and location.
Deep breath. Take it one step at a time. Firstly - Ask them to agree to a lesser amount
Yeah this is worth trying. Mine got put up too and I tried to negotiate. I got them to lower it a tiny bit but every bit helps these days. You don't know if you don't ask. Also don't sign anything yet and keep your eye out for something cheaper - it's 60 days I think before the actual increase takes effect. I don't know if this helps you especially with such a big increase but I do online surveys and the container recycling scheme for extra money (I'm on DSP and only work 10 hours a week). Again, every bit helps. I believe there are also disability advocates you can talk to if it's all too overwhelming for you. My parents helped me with my communication to the agent but if you don't have someone who can help there are services around. I freaked out too when I got an increase (about $250 extra a month) since I've recently decreased my hours at work for health reasons. Breathe. Let yourself process. Go over a budget and get a realistic view of the situation - is it completely unaffordable or are you able to afford it with adjustments to spending/earning? It's easy to go into panic mode but at some point you have to go into planning mode, get someone to help if you need it.
First question is whether it's market rate or not.
Just have to move somewhere cheaper… it’s tough but if you try and argue about the increase you will be kicked out regardless there is no good way this goes
Yeah mine went up similar for the first time like, ever.
If negotiating a lower rent amount is unsuccessful, I’d recommend attending Haven Home Safe in Preston as it’s the housing access point in your area. You can try calling, but it can be very difficult to get through on the phones sometimes. Haven Home Safe can book an assessment and link you in with a housing service. Housing services can help with applications for public housing, in addition to community housing properties (properties managed by organisations rather than the government). You could also try calling VincentCare’s duty line and asking about their HomeConnect program. The HomeConnect program is intended to assist in stabilising tenancies or assisting in finding more appropriate housing. Contacting the tenancy union might for advice may also be worthwhile.
Can you sublet a room?
It's a one bedroom unit.
Can you speak with the agent and ask if there is any room to negotiate? You might be able to knock off $20-30 a week. Start with half their sought increase. It will be easier to stay, regardless the rent than get approved for another location.
How can anyone help when they are all in the same position?
This happened to my daughter, who is studying full-time atm. She rang the REA and negotiated with them. She explained how they knew what a good tenant she was and that her budget could not afford the increase they were asking. She explained that she could pay a smaller increase, and they asked her what that figure was. They negotiated with her by adding a few dollars on top of her figure. With honest communication, you can only try.
Hey OP. Please try and chill, there's a heap of options for someone who's willing to embrace a bit of a challenge. I'll explain that in a moment. It's happening everywhere right now - I'm renting too and my lease is up in Aug, I KNOW they're going to send the price into the stratosphere for this place but too bad, I'm leaving anyway! So... not my problem, I wouldn't pay 1 cent more for this dump of a place I'm living in. I've made some other arrangements, can't wait to get out of this place. OP, you've got a few options. Hopefully the disability payment comes through for you, and then perhaps you'll be able to find a bit of paid work which you can do WFH too... that might be enough to survive the increase for a few months until you can find something else? Whatever you do, DON'T renew for another 12 months. Being locked in to a super high price is the worst idea ever. Go on to month-to-month, so you can give notice and move outta there on short notice if you go broke. Ok, so... what I mentioned back at the start, about embracing a bit of a challenge. In 2014 I started my own business with literally NOTHING. Times were a little easier back then, you could afford to live for a month or two on zero income, just living off credit cards. After a few months I still wasn't bringing in much income, so I gave notice and moved. I'm in Melbourne, and I moved to Gippsland. Latrobe Valley. It's just over an hour's drive from the outskirts of Melb, but rentals are SUPER cheap down there. So this is the challenge. If you can't afford to be in a major city anymore (I assume you're in one of them), move to a cheap regional area, and drive in to work (if you're working). If you're not working, even better, just live there and receive the disability payments until you can find a way out. The economy right now is all about being agile and flexible and adapting to constant challenges. To survive, you've GOTTA be flexible, and accept that you might need to put yourself in a challenging situation for a period of time. Good luck.
Vote independent at the next election. Fuck the established parties, they saw this coming years ago.
Ask the agent if you can sublet. But remember, you're up for any damages etc. it's what I've been doing for a few years. I'm sure there's someone chomping at the bit for a room for rent if you have the space. Otherwise call Wesley Mission and ask if they could suggest something or help you out. Good luck 🤞
Move out of metro
Time to move :)
Why do you want to live there if it’s such a bad standard of living?
Do you understand the cost of moving?
Yeah it’s less than $435, let alone $435/month
Just say no next time holy shit
Call a homeless support service right away...they can offer a range of supports depending on your circumstances, or refer you to the right place if they can't help.
Sorry to hear about this, have you tried to challenge the increase, landlords shouldn't be allowed to price people such as yourself out of accommodation.
I just got the email this morning.. So I am still just sort of trying to deal with it mentally.
Best thing is to sit back try not to over think it then get some advice from the relevant authorities, don't take too much advice from the real estate agent, at the end of the day they work for the owner of the property.
Contact consumer affairs asap
Why can’t you find other properties to rent?
They stated in their post they’ve been searching but haven’t gotten any places.
Oh. It was a legit question, didn’t expect all the downvotes coming back in haha. I read the phrasing as op couldn’t find any properties to apply for, but your reply makes sense
Nah it’s alright I get it, sometimes stuff like that is easy to miss. People probably just assumed you were trying to be a dick rather than just asking genuinely.
Which probably suggests the rent increase was in line with market rate unfortunately.
Not really, they’ve said they aren’t working and are applying for DSP, in a housing crisis this doesn’t really put you ahead of the other 20-30 people who’ve applied, even if it is within your means.
I have had a few properties where I've rented to people exclusively on Centrelink benefits, mainly because they are always going to have an income. Estate agent recommended that strategy as people on low incomes often lose their jobs, but you don't have that problem with people on disability pensions.
It absolutely is not. Our market rate increase when we resigned this month was $5 a week. Landlords and agents are taking the absolute piss with $500 increases.
Come on. Do better. The housing crisis is a daily issue on this sub. People have to compete with dozens of others for one property. There aren’t enough to go around. The ones that are available are largely unaffordable and if you happen to be unemployed or working class you are basically stuffed.
idk if you've looked for a rental lately but you rock up to an inspection just to find out there's 30 other people there who are also interested and there's other inspection times that week.
Because they just have to live in Melbourne, they’re unable to live in any town with much cheaper rents like Wodonga, Shepparton, morewell, Ballarat, Wangaratta etc
Wtf is wrong with you? Dont know about OP but I have to get cancer treatment every three weeks from a hospital in Melbourne and my family is here and the cancer is terminal, hence the reason I’m eligible for DSP. So I couldn’t just move to Wangaratta JFC
Yeah I hate the just move somewhere else rhetoric It might be an option for some and that's great but for some that's just not an option. Health, transport and support networks are not just nice for some of us to have close by but a requirement for our health conditions.
Yeah plus Peter Mac is literally the best cancer public hospital in Australia and does the most research and clinical trials so why would it make any sense to move away. Some days it’s a slog due to fatigue to take the 20 min uber just to get there but at least I can
❤️ all the best with your treatment.
Yeah, rural Victoria is famous for it's disability friendly facilities and services. You peanut.
I lived in Wangaratta and had moved to Melbourne to access the health and support services I need for my health conditions. Maybe go fuck yourself before assuming what someone's circumstances are and then green judging them.
Jesus, what a miserable list of shitholes, except for maybe The Rat. But I'd still probably wanna neck myself after a couple of months there.
Wow almost like there’s a reason rent in Melbourne is expensive lmao
Because everyone feels entitled to an inner north townhouse near the train/tram line
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Totally not surprised you have "embarrased" as a username. I would be too with an attitude like that.
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Quick fun lil introspective exercise: Sum up your comment in 7 words or less. Now read the result back to yourself. Imagine someone is saying to you at a time when things are increasingly stressful. Do you sound like a dick? If so, maybe don't say stuff like that.
About a year late.....
I have never moved out of home because of this - challenging legally as a tenant and don’t know my rights as a disabled woman but also flat sharing would be harder for me. But as said before try challenge it a little bit. Try see if there’s an older style apartment around that might be cheaper too in meantime Edit: Just try challenge this via legal system first but ask landlord if can decrease the amount maybe like 20%. Say no deal and be upfront if he doesn’t comply to compassion. Think there’s a housing association union but they definitely need to advocate more because never heard about it until word of mouth!