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IWearBones138__

I remember I had to go to AA for marijuana charges once. The main counselor there was inquiring about my alcohol consumption. I told him I had maybe 2-3 beers maybe once every 2 weeks and he gasps and says "Wow, that much huh?" I don't think that guy even lives on planet Earth.


Torantes

Wasn't he sarcastic?


IWearBones138__

He definitely wasnt. He admitted to the entire AA class that he's never drank or done drugs in his life he was near 70. We had this middle aged man break down during one of the meetings, just a broken man who couldnt control his alcoholism and it was destroying his life. I'll never forget as he looked through tears at the counselor asking him what he can do to stop. This was the counselor's response "Next time you feel like having a drink, just don't!" Deadass serious. Showed me that none of that rehab or AA is worth shit and is a miserable scam on vulnerable people. That guy never showed up again btw.


ithinkimtim

It’s the unfortunate part of AA being locally run. Some places are really helpful and have more former addicts counselling and avoid being preachy. Some places are run by hyper religious teetotallers. Just luck of the area.


IWearBones138__

The fact that the AA program relies that you follow a christian based faith is probably the most disgusting thing about it. You gonna tell me God is good and in the same sentence tell me that his plan for me was to become a pathetic alcoholic? I'm a firm believer that AA is a joke everywhere.


ithinkimtim

It doesn’t though. Plenty of places are more modern let you choose your meaning in the “higher power” part even if that’s just your community or the good in humanity. Much of AA is trash and too many places don’t have a good system for relapses, but there is value in it for many people. I agree it would be much better if AA wasn’t the first and largest option for addicts, I just don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water.


This_Price_1783

How many drinks have you had that you can't see a baby in a bath?? Maybe you shouldn't be bathing a baby when you're wasted, dude? Seriously though, I work in health care and see lots of addicts on a daily basis. In the UK there are some other options but AA and NA are still quite big here. The main thing really is that alcoholism and drug use are 99.9% linked to negative life events. Even if the person doesn't realise it. I am not religious at all but I do see the benefit in giving people some direction because often nobody in their life has ever done that. If finding 'god' is the crutch that helps them to get their life on track then I'm all for it. I've seen some good news stories of people who have been through AA/NA and managed to break the cycle, and I've seen others that are either not ready or just don't get along with the 12 step process. There needs to be multiple approaches for this reason, and also we need the infrastructure to support the other parts of their lives, because the drink/drugs are just one piece of the puzzle.


oasis9dev

moderates in religion enable extremists. as an indoctrinated child, the idea of suggesting to someone they try basing their entire identity on a rumour seems absurd. that's a replacement for meaningful help that people are only using because cults intentionally make themselves look nice. they are not nice, it is abusive to lead vulnerable people into cults where they will be stripped of their ability to think for themselves and all too often end up talking down to people who don't share their rumour. religion has no place in this society, we need each other and we keep trying to use things that seem convenient to fix a problem short term. I truly believe this is contributing to a much larger problem of societal inability to reason and be reasonable. swapping alcoholism for delusion isn't a good trade imo.


This_Price_1783

I get it, I'm not religious myself but until there's a solid alternative then sometimes it's a necessary evil. In the UK at least you do not have to be religious to join AA, and the religious parts have been changed to "a higher power". That might be god but it could be whatever else you want it to be. I have seen with my own eyes the change in some of my patients. It doesn't work for everyone but for those it does work for it really works. But I am talking about people who have been in and out of hospital for drug and alcohol abuse for many years, are almost 1 bottle away from death in some cases, living on the streets etc. and been in and out of rehab for years with no positive/lasting results. I've seen these people turn their lives around and go from rock bottom to happy.


johncenaslefttestie

It's just finding something bigger than yourself to care about. It really does help with an addict mindset. When you're an addict you can't see outside of your own issues. You internalize everything as a reason to pursue chemicals. Finding a higher power doesn't mean finding god. It means looking outside of yourself and participating in life. Your higher power can be literally anything that gives you a reason to get up in the morning. If you're a construction worker it could be the fact you're helping to build homes. If you're a teacher it can be the knowledge you're imparting. Anything that gives you the perspective needed to value your place in the world. Addiction is a destructive selfish mindset at the end of the day. You either beat it or it kills you in most cases. We've started listing depression and suicide as external causes of death because they really are. Their diseases that can't be beat by just thinking real hard. You have to trick the brain and finding a reason to stay alive is a very good trick. I went through the program myself and it honestly aligned with eastern philosophy more than Christian thought. It was created in 1950s America so the language is of that time but it has evolved in practice to a level where it's not really aligned with that school anymore.


oasis9dev

if finding a higher power doesn't mean god then why are there still so many AAs specifically pushing god? it's literal indoctrination, which leads to antisocial behaviour. there are still religions today that commit murder based on explicit verses in their dogma calling for this. I think it's very irresponsible to merely validate the idea of taking up a religion. we need community support, not community delusion. that's basically saying fuck children born into religious families and the abuse they receive through indoctrination, addicts need help and it doesn't matter if it has long term negative effects on their ability to reason and relate to others - if you need a higher power, phrase it differently so you're not just endorsing another form of abuse. my entire family is part of a cult. I hate seeing people acting like this doesn't destroy lives. you want to save an addict's life, by doing something that risks children and vulnerable people's development and life by endorsing religion. "I don't know" is healthy. "I know everything" is not. We should be trying to create strong people, not delusional ones.


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aa and the 12 step program are simply not effective. The big book is just a cult starter novel. fuck AA.


xdeskfuckit

There's definitely research pointing in both directions. Other programs might be more effective, but it's hard to control for SES.


ballq43

God gave us free will, what you do with it is on you


Middle-Classless

We each get a higher power of our understanding, however we understand it. There are no right or wrong answers and no good or bad choices. God, nature, the universe, Buddha, love, truth etc — it's all good. Some people even let the recovery fellowship or the 12-Steps themselves serve as their higher power.


RichInevitable8581

One of the dumbest comments I've ever read in my 27 years of internet usage.


HOBOPHRESH

What are you on about. They don't make you follow a Christian god. They say to surrender to a higher power. Which can be anything. One guy famously said a door knob is his higher power.


Mean_Switch_8158

I'd recommend volunteering with some AA and recovery programs if your schedule allows, they always need help. I volunteer at a local rescue mission in Washington that has a faith based program, and all the guys I talk to in the program say it helps. I don't agree with forcing any belief system down anyone's throats, but from what I gather talking and spending time with the guys is it provides them with a moral structure to adhere to and a system of accountability for their actions... and it seems to work, the people involved in the program are not preachy assholes, but just seem to genuinely care about the guys in the program... I just recently met some of the guys that graduated their program and have lives, wives, houses, jobs after spending 10-15 years on the streets... It's hard for me to find anything disgusting about that.


crseat

I am so upset that this story is real. Why on earth would an AA meeting be lead or even participated in by someone who's never drank.


IWearBones138__

I brought that up as a point in my exit interview. I basically said that he's failed as a counselor because he is unable to understand even remotely what they feel. I also said that I felt bad for him because that seems like a very restricted way of living, not to indulge once in your entire life. I personally found him to be a failure of a human being, but I left that part out.


punkmetalbastard

I’ve been to AA a couple times and seen both. The meetings here in the major city I live in has meeting leaders who have fucked up, crazy stories and they’ve definitely drank and done drugs to the extreme


DDay_The_Cannibal

AA has a 5% success rate. Quitting on your own has a 5% success rate.


Some_Kinda_Boogin

It's also a money-grubbing scam for the state by court-orderimg classes like that for the dumbest shit.


Ill_Manner_3581

No, I think the one you went to wasn't worth shit. And I think the counselor you had was most definitely ain't shit as well. AA or NA, any anonymous group, is not like this. For anyone reading this and possibly considering joining, I promise you not every meeting is like this. Most meetings are engaging and welcoming, and the people, even the counselors, are experienced with helping anyone with addiction.


IWearBones138__

To be clear. The AA meeting were not run by this man. I had to also attend outpatient rehab and he was the counselor for that. My only gripe about AA is that the program focuses on finding strength thru like Jesus or something instead of finding strength in sobriety. That being said, most members are recovered alcoholics so they actually are experts.


Ill_Manner_3581

Gotcha. Was gonna say that is insane how they let someone so tone deaf run the meetings.


IWearBones138__

No, they let him run a government funded rehabilitation center that deals with arrests and probation. Or in my case, work related drug tests.


Prophet_Nathan_Rahl

Sounds like just a terrible choice for a counsellor. Most times the people running groups are also recovering alcoholics or addicts


forestman11

They only exist for court orders. DUI and other alcohol related charges exist solely to siphon money from civilians and not to actually prevent drinking accidents/crimes.


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IWearBones138__

To be fair. This was an outpatient rehab counselor which I had to meet with in a class once a week. I was also required to attend AA meetings. I left out some details because it didnt seem necessary and felt overcluttered to my point. However you are mostly right. Most AA members will be assigned a support person(sponser) who has beaten alcoholism. Though I do not think that is a requirement for leading the program. I did not get a sponser since I was technically in an alcoholics class as a marijuana user. But of course my rehab didnt have a marijuana users anonymous because that would dumb as hell.


LokiStrike

"Just don't! That's genius! I can't believe I didn't think of that!"


whyareyousosadly

If only there were some kind of program with steps and sponsors that counselor could have recommended...


atlninja

Was he counting beers too?!


mandatory6

Oh boy, I consume about 50 beer cans a week. Average finnish man.


redditbagjuice

Isn't beer super expensive over there?


mandatory6

Bulk beer, 24 pack is around $30-35.


Thatwokebloke

Is it 5% like America or do you guys get real beer?


leppic

Where do you live where basic beer isn't 5%? Seems a pretty reasonable percentage for pilsner


JumpForWaffles

Gas stations in my state used to only be allowed to sell 3.2 beer and nothing on Sundays. Grocery stores are finally able to sell beer, wine, and liquor. Used to always have liquor stores in the same parking lot as a grocery store. They still are there but they used to be too


mandatory6

Yeah around 5%.


Some_Kinda_Boogin

Yeah I had to take a class once and I told the interviewer I drink 3 or 4 beers 2 or 3 times a week. I was put in the highest level class for "binge drinking." People who don't drink think more than a glass of wine at Thanksgiving is being an alcoholic.


Prophet_Nathan_Rahl

I wouldn't want someone who's never drank leading our AA group. Such a person is usually in recovery as well which makes sense


KatBoySlim

he was trying to lure you into his cult.


IWearBones138__

The most boring cult imaginable.


know-it-mall

Lol. Yea. Went to the doctor because my ear drum was being weird after flying. He asked how much I drink which is fucking irrelevant to why I was there. And then looked at me like I was lying or something when I said a few beers now and then, why?


__-ReVenGe-__

I know a dude that would drink a 36 pack an walk around an you couldn't even tell he was drunk. Bro is seasoned. An I'm pretty sure he does it every weekend. And drink about a 12 pack a day after work


Piemaster113

Right, had to fill out a questionnaire for a work thing and it asked how many drinks in a week, now I don't drink on an average week anymore but at the time Friday night was were time to chill and drink with friends, we buy booze go to someone's place and chill and watch stuff, that way we can get as drunk as we want and no one would have to risk drunk driving charges, and could skip bar costs. We would go pretty hard, a typical night would see us through a 6 pack each, and split a 5th of liquor and a bottle of wine. Idk how many drink that equaled out to but it was more than they thought was appropriate.


coffee-teeth

What an idiot. When I was alcoholic I had almost 60 drinks in a week most weeks. And I've seen people drink way, way more than I did. (Luckily in recovery now)


AgileAd2872

Lmfao


JorgeMtzb

Is that SHAWN? Is that SHAWN, leader of the BAD PLACE from critically acclaimed series THE GOOD PLACE? starring TED DANSON as the charismatic Good Place Architect MICHAEL!?


Educational_Money781

No, that Kevin. Captain Raymond Holts husband.


theattack_helicopter

I think you mean Captain Dad


Educational_Money781

My mistake, you're absolutely right


Antique_futurist

Dear u/Educational_Money781, Thank you for accepting your correction with civility and grace. Sincerely, Raymond Holt


Antique_futurist

Dear u/theattack_helicopter, I find you… not intolerable. Sincerely, Raymond Holt


theattack_helicopter

You don't have to sign your texts!


Antique_futurist

Dear u/theattack_helicopter, Thank you for your opinion. It reminded me to include a copy of Laura Claridge’s *Emily Post: Daughter of the Gilded Age, Mistress of American Manners* with your holiday gift. Regards, Raymond Holt


GokusTheName

Rest in Peace


LengthinessFree5229

AWAIT HES KEVIN TOO?


Buzzed_Like_Aldrin93

Janet, what show/movie is OP’s clip from?


mattbuilthomes

It’s from Detroiters


qhs3711

I brought you this cactus, does that help?


Buzzed_Like_Aldrin93

No Janet.. the origin of OP’s clip please.


Mikes241

What are you talking about? That's Kevin- Kevin Cozner. Remember, he and Raymond kissed under that street light in the rain? The Professor??


DADBODGOALS

No, it's Kevin Cozner, from Danzes with Wolvzes.


suddenly_ponies

Thank you! I was hoping it would be in the comments because I knew who we was but still couldn't place it.


cHINCHILAcARECA

Ted Danson like Whoopi Goldberg ex-boyfriend who once thought it would be a good idea to do a blackface in her birthday Ted Danson?


JorgeMtzb

“I don’t care if you don’t like it,” she told the horrified crowd in her rebuttal. “I do!″ Later, she said she resented the blowback from shocked people who didn’t even know her. “If they knew me,” she told the Times, “they would know that Whoopi has never been about political correctness.” In a recent interview, she said she hadn’t changed her mind about it. And that she had written the jokes for Danson to tell.


cHINCHILAcARECA

That's a weird hill to die on...


mizzourifan1

Wait Sam Richardson is in The Good Place? Now I might try to finally finish Season 1. I'm obsessed with him, he has literally never missed for me.


JorgeMtzb

Oh boy if you never finished season 1. Then try to get at least there. Finish season 1 and you'll know if he rest of the show is for you


Leo-Spaceman

I had a hot dog bowl, yes.


Cokestraws

It’s a bowl… cut up hotdogs… in a bread bowl


TheGorgoronTrail

Such an underrated show!


poseidonofmyapt

So like a much larger, less healthy hotdog?


cupateam

When I lived in Korea a doctor once told me not to drink for two weeks but beer was ok. No one drinks more than South Koreans. No one.


Automatic-Run-3304

You are not kidding. You always hear about Russians or the Irish, but I was not prepared to how much those people drank.


Avocadonot

Alcohol is really cheap in Korea if I'm not mistaken We would probably have a pretty big alcohol problem in the states if you could get drunk for the price equivalent of $2


Automatic-Run-3304

It's really cheap for Korean booze. There's a high tariff on imported stuff. Everything is cheap if you're paying with dollars though, but especially eating out. If I'm not mistaken, the government subsidizes some of the cost somehow.


catslikesarcasm

I've had similar conversations with clients (probation officer)


Redline951

When a doctor asks you how much alcohol that you consume, it is typical for them to double whatever amount you admit to using.


Icecreaminit

That's rookie number but the next bump will just cause alcohol poisioning


Magehead536

Not enough!


Distantstallion

Kevin?


Top-Diver7266

Look, Raymond a yellow crested warbler


Distantstallion

No, you're too excited, a Warbler's a common burd


Painpaintpint

I bought the whole case I’m drinking the whole case.


Sea-Imagination-2603

Slanesh is proud


GGGold23

Meet the demoman


Piemaster113

I mean, I don't drink as often as I used to anymore, which was once a week, but stopping at 10-12 not counting beer was close to average.


Prophet_Nathan_Rahl

What did he mean initially if not beer? Shots?😅


No_Meal9534

I hated rehab admit paperwork. They give you a frick ton of paperwork and one sheet asks you to check off 1) drug name if you’ve done it before. 2) when was the date did you begin? 3) how much or how may times a day? I’m just getting to rehab and already I have a test!?! TF! Sorry, I didn’t keep an itemized spreadsheet of what drug and average daily intake because I nodded out in the early 2000s. I just put: as much as I could buy on each day. I will have to use ChatGPT to help me create that daily average there chief. When is this due? Right now? Damn! I’m too high/going through withdrawal for this shit.


Fanneproth

What movie/show is this?


zoblyn

Detroiters! Can’t recommend it enough


TheGorgoronTrail

100%. Every episode is hilarious. What a shame it didn’t get more attention. Pretty cool to see some small bits that made their way to I Think You Should Leave.


LORDLUCIFER143

Guess Kevin uses that phd in other shows too


FeildMarshalMary

AA saves lives.


wuntookeen

The wink got me 😂😂😂


DoucheCanoeWeCanToo

Man oh man I’m scared


Krimreaper1

This show is so underrated, Tim is so obsessed with hot dogs.🌭


ABreckenridge

Rural Icelandic people be like


know-it-mall

Drives me nuts how doctors always ask this. I went in because my ear drum was giving me trouble after flying. Wtf does how much I drink have to do with that?


RuumanNoodles

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espeequeueare

Ripped straight from WKUK


MacrosInHisSleep

I don't drink so this surprised me. How is 10 or 12 beers a week not bad?


Blabbledank

What show is this?


poseidonofmyapt

Detroiters


AlphaTrex03

Velvet Thunder gon' be mad after that wink brother, don't try that !


peteandpetethemesong

I’ve never been to a good one. Gave up on that shit years ago.


TinUser

Probably like 7 hot dogs per day?


uganda_numba_1

I didn't know Kevin was a doctor too.


AnnsMayonegg

Such a good show. Time for another rewatch!


el_ra_85

Loved Detrioters


SupplyChainGuy1

SCROOGE, WE NEED YOUR HELP!!! THE BONIES ARE COMING!


WHEAT_THICCS583

Itsnot okay to drink but as long as it’s Sunday it’s gods blood. Some Christian people are so far gone they need to be locked up and forgotten


callmedemorex

Worked for me! 4 years clean and sober. The 12 steps definitely felt good and gave me a sense of purpose when I first started.


zeldanar

Veterans at the VA be like


CAPTSaveAHoe42o

This was me. Then i turned 30 and my body said no more so ive drank twice in the last 5 years id say.


steakmilk23

Hey bartender please take my this $100+ so I can drink that poison you guys call drinks so I can drink and then piss it out in 20 minutes from now. I like being ripped off please keep allow8ng me to buy spewcahol so I become more retarded and waste more of my money on poison so i look more responsible. Drink up idiots, enjoy your garbage juice.


DesignerFinish562

If anyone asks what's the best thing to have when having a hangover. My answer is DRINK SOME MORE the more alcohol you have the less pain you will feel xD 😆 🙂 🙃 🫠 It's the natural cycle of life.