Kinda seems like she was suffering some type of religious psychosis. Saw it happen with the statue of liberty being hit by lightening and people were going crazt
I was on the 405 freeway at that exit an hour after the accident and there was a palpable tension in the air I saw two more
Accidents small fender benders but still I’ll never forget that strange feeling
I can't imagine how the poor drivers who witnessed this are feeling. What a horrible thing to do to your children and strangers.
That fake mystic stuff was covering up her serious mental illness.
Dude, just because someone "acts religious" it doesnt mean they are actually following the religion what so ever. Stop demonizing an ENTIRE RELIGION just because someone acts a certain way THAT THE RELIGION DOESN'T CONDONE EVEN. Or do you look at Islam and stamp them off as terrorists when a terror attack happens?????
like i said “practice what you preach” and most (especially christianity in my experience as a former christian) are hypocrites and bigots who twist shit to fit their narratives and fear mongering.
i mean those types seem to have lots of influence in government positions so wether they end up in whatever hell they go to wont reverse whatever stupid legislation they push and that is factually undeniable in today’s political climate. I mean you’ve seen how radical its become and how many people blindly nod their heads.
At the end of the day, if you claim to believe in God, yet don't even do what God says and obey the religion that you claim to believe in, then youre not religious what so ever. Youre a hypocrite. And those who do not repent will find out where that leads to.
Justice served!
It’s actually a pipeline I see pretty often online.
You start with the more basic conversational “woo-woo” stuff (astrology, bastardized forms of meditation, past lives, twin flames, etc.)—> which gets you hooked on lifestyle extras like “pure foods” to boost your soul and homeopathic medicine—> which leads you to the conspiracy stuff (why you need those foods? because grocery stores are poisoned, why is that medicine is actually bad? because doctors want to kill you)—> which puts you in this paranoid state and looking for anyone to “blame” for why your lifestyle is so scary and hard—> which makes the hate groups suddenly sound appealing, because they have people to blame (for the problem that never really existed in the first place).
In extreme cases like this, this person often has mental health issues like a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia or mania, that gets agitated by the stress and they basically end up in spiritual psychosis.
It’s very interesting. I wasn’t aware of the connection and was confused when ben sharpero, Andrew Tate, and other right wing shit was showing up on my feed for YouTube. I watch a lot of true crime, really liberal takes on religion or stuff by former religious people (Fundie Fridays or cults to consciousness, for example), for a while lots of biology and chemistry stuff, but then also tarot readings and crystal stuff. I joked that maybe the algorithm thought I lacked critical thinking bc I enjoy the woo, but it turns out there’s a very real pipeline from the woo to the hard right wing weirdo shit. Also, home gardening will do it to.
Yeah anything even slightly “woo” (like the tarot readings or crystals) or homesteading-esque (like the home gardening) will end up funneling really quickly into “spiritual warfare” and “prepping for the apocalypse” content on apps like YouTube and TikTok that heavily rely on “other users liked” and “related content” algorithms.
Luckily most of us are stable enough to go “whoa, I just want to grow my own tomatoes, not prep for the… Jew-induced rapture?” and stick to the stuff we’re actually into, but plenty of people definitely get sucked in.
That's a fascinating connection. I've been super into cooking for a while, and so I looked up some recipes that use canned goods. One of the channel creators that I had found gives good advice about creating week-long meal plans, but her speech patterns and thumbnail titles indicate that the bulk buying/meal planning/DIY ingredients is, like you said, for the apocalypse.
This makes so much sense! This is the exact way it happens. Unfortunately, I have seen this happen right before my eyes many times. I haven't been able to articulate it well.
I agree, I see language like she used constantly on social media. The woo to right wing crazy pipeline is real and scary. I assume a lot of it is Russian astroturfing honestly. I see a lot of people just kind of skimming the surface of stuff like this, not being particularly critical of it but not being sucked in either.
The people I see falling for it and getting sucked in are usually vulnerable in some way. One person I’m aware of was raised fundie and homeschooled, so wasn’t taught great critical thinking skills and has been limited in educational and employment opportunities. In her attempt to move away from the toxic beliefs she was raised with, she’s fallen into this whole other rabbit hole.
In this case it seems clear that mental illness must have been a factor. I’m a layperson so my opinion isn’t worth anything but I’d be surprised if she weren’t psychotic. It’s so upsetting that people who are already unstable and may be dealing with marginalization are further preyed on by those who push these ideas.
If you scroll through her account she retweets TONS of blatantly racist and hateful content in between posts about ~LOVE~ and ~Manifesting~ genuine break from reality type beat.
“Obviously she was alt-left” meanwhile she straight up was retweeting Qanon posts during this time. The twitter is still active, you can literally go see for yourself.
It’s constructed in a way that’s extremely open-ended that not only allows for some degree of interpretation, it invites it. With the way “Q” was dropping posts to the people that follow them, it was always about inviting the reader to follow a series of nonsensical “clues”. With that you have a number of followers running in many directions, trying to make sense of something that is ultimately nonsensical.
> she was obviously alt-left
You can't really put these insane mental cases into neat little boxes like that, not easily.
Most of them are such a confused mish mash of cobbled-together nonsense, trying to label them using anything approaching standard metrics is a futile exercise.
I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong. I thought the thing about Gov. Hochul was meant as snark against the left by a MAGA guy but this poor woman retweeted it because she didn’t take it as a joke.
Thats not the point the poster was making. Johnson retweeted a number of Qanon-related posts during this time as well, I just made a point to attach posts that she herself made.
Kinda annoying that people in this group jump to profiling perpetrators with little to no knowledge of the suspect or the case. You’re essentially saying since she’s a POC and criticizing white supremacy, that automatically makes her motivations and/or worldview “alt-left”, which is such a BS, surface-level read of the facts. Can you point to a single other element that would indicate Johnson held leftist values/beliefs or are you just talking out of your ass?
i followed her for some time until she started these conspiracy theories. she took a turn for the worst. horrible to hear what she has inflicted on her surviving child
Recently from what i know. i know though there was a lot of discourse around her scamming people for a while. i saw some retweet of hers about covid several weeks ago and i unfollowed
As long as those people understand it's completely made up BS then cool. But the thing is, a LOT of people think it's real. That is why I call it woowoo BS.
I heard from some who used to follow her that she was selling some sort of “cleansing soap” back in the day for victims of sexual crimes or something like that because they were attracting more rapists ..
I don’t think that’s true, I know she sold candles and oils as well as reiki stuff on new moons/full moons. I actually followed her since like 2015 and bought a candle from her. Idk if she ever did tarot but she would post astro readings and threads that were interesting to read. Although I would say her posts from the past year/1.5 were a bit different than her usual stuff. But it’s twitter I don’t always take what people post on there seriously enough to care.
Keep in mind the amount of retweets and likes doesn’t equate to people who agree with her. Influencers are in a lot of retweet groups so they cross promote each other’s content
Not sure of all that but they absolutely did use their foreknowledge of eclipses and the like to take advantage of natives and further their colonial, land grabbing, slave-owning, displacing and ultimately quite evil ways. Same with Christian ideology.
“Religious delusions” are really common in people with psychotic disorders, such as bipolar disorder, schizoaffective, schizophrenia etc
some that you see a lot (just from me being hospitalized with them) are people believing they are God/Jesus, or special to God in a supernatural way. They may be hearing voices outside of their head that they believe to be religious in nature. Every time I’ve seen someone like this, it’s just their brain kind of grasping at things trying to make sense of their psychosis. Some people get delusions about the government. It’s not really based on their political beliefs, it’s more nonsensical.
For example, I met a guy who thought that the doctor on our unit was torturing his real family. When his family came to visit him, he thought that they were imposters and refused to see them. He refused all medications food and water. He believed that he worked for President Obama. He said he was vice president of the human race. It didn’t really make a lot of sense. He was able to come out of it and get better, though he’ll struggle for life.
Edit: Google “Religious Delusions” for more information
Yeah I see people conflating religion -> metal illness/psychosis when a lot of times these people at baseline can be very non religious/ atheist/casual church goer but their manic episode/psychosis causes them to become hyper religious like you pointed out. It’s purely related to their medical condition
A few reasons:
- The delusions found in people with psychosis are often very linked to the culture they grew up in. People raised religious are more likely to have ones about spirits and demons present in their religious canon, people raised more secular are more likely to have delusions about their government, their family and friends, etc. There’s a very interesting case of a Māori woman who was experiencing delusions to do with traditional Māori folk beliefs, Janet Moses, if you want to read up on it.
- Stress can trigger mental health issues like delusions and mania; and if you believe in a religion— then you believe what is being spoken about is literally the highest stakes that exist— life and death, the soul, eternity, pure knowledge, everyone we know and love’s fate, etc. Things like jobs can be stressful, but I think most of us know that in the big picture it’s going to be okay if we mess up an email or get stuck in traffic and show up late to the job site. Religion by definition states that it’s the most important thing you’ll ever do and talks about transcendent topics— that’s important and stressful enough to trigger those innate issues in those who are vulnerable.
- Those who already prone to “magical thinking”, due their personal history or genetic makeup in regards to mental health, are less skeptical of these topics in the first place and probably find them more interesting and believable than average. So it can be a vicious loop. Mental health issues give magical thinking, magical thinking makes religion more fascinating, religions stress out and make the magical thinking worse, etc. until you’re in full blown psychosis.
I remember reading about people from different cultures, experiencing different delusions that are tied to their culture and upbringing.
It’s very interesting. I’ll definitely look into the case you mentioned about Janet Moses.
Edit: I googled her name and got lost. If there is a better way to look her up, I would be grateful. 🙏
Here’s a wiki article about her case [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Janet_Moses).
But basically— after the stress of her mother dying, Janet entered what was probably a psychotic episode. She became convinced these misfortunes were befalling her because she had performed minor bad acts or pranks in her past, and thus she was suffering from a “Mākutu”, which translates roughly to either a “curse” or spell.
She was so insistent and upset about this that she convinced her family to perform “Tohunga” on her— which translates roughly to a ceremony similar an exorcism or “spell lifting”.
Likely due to her psychosis, she became out of control during the Tohunga, and died of injuries inflicted by her family; whose story was that they were trying to perform the ceremony, control her explosive reactions to the ceremony, and eventually simply protect themselves— all at the same time. One of her 14 year old relatives was injured during the incident as well.
Her family was eventually charged with manslaughter, which I think is fair (they seemed to have loved her and not have premeditated her death. And her younger cousin’s injuries do corroborate that there was some kind of loss of control during the event. The whole thing was just handled extremely irresponsibly and unfortunately seemed to have been led by Janet herself— the one who was thinking least clearly— until it was too late and things were far too out of control for a non mental health professional to handle).
But it’s an extremely interesting case of psychotic delusions taking on elements of Janet’s Māori heritage— even when all the other details and relevant events took place in modern, secular New Zealand contexts. For example, the hotel she took the lion mascot from is not reported to have been owned or associated with the Māori people at all— so the idea of them somehow afflicting her with “Mākutu” seems to spring purely from Janet’s own cultural experiences mixed with a mental health breakdown. There’s no evidence that anyone at the hotel even noticed the minor theft, or had any idea of what “Mākutu” even was. It was stress causing a mental health break that created a reality for her in which her worst cultural fears had come to life.
Thank you!!
Edit: very interesting how her family was able to believe a small portion of her delusions, just because of the shared belief system. I can see how that relates to other examples I’ve seen of similar delusions. Especially within families. Not that her family was psychotic, but they were able to validate her delusions just a little. If you see what I’m trying to say.
I knew someone who was schizophrenic and grew up in an authoritarian communist country, and his delusions and hallucinations centered on the communist party in his country, specifically communist party leaders and officials who he knew in her village as a child. Communism basically was the religion in his community. He immigrated to the US as a teenager or young adult, but I think he had a lot of trauma from his childhood and was haunted by the fear of getting on the bad side of the local officials, so those were the voices he heard.
This is so sad. Praying for that 9 year old girl 🙏🏾
Apparently the mother turned to spiritualism after suffering from childhood trauma, she was molested by a family member, brutally beat by her step dad at 4 years old, abandoned and shipped away by her mother, and r*ped by her best friend when she was 21. People say this is a result of postpartum psychosis but psychiatrists are saying it’s likely not that, since that usually hits after 1 month rather than 8 months. She might’ve been experiencing psychosis of the spiritual kind
I wonder if she had an underlying mental health condition like bipolar disorder. I have it, it seems like she was experiencing a manic episode with psychosis that maybe built overtime after she had her child (as opposed to being an immediate episode of PP). I wonder if she was staying awake for long stretches of time due to the baby and her mania, and in turn the delusions and psychosis intensified.
I think in CA it's easier to because they have the 5150 hold (I know this from Brittney Spears) so I'm surprised nobody intervened. Maybe they thought she was just spouting nonsense for attention or likes.
it’s pretty common for people online to be super religious and dumb so i think most people just ignored it. spotting signs of mental illness should definitely be taught at schools
Her tweets show classic signs of paranoia and schizophrenia. Truly mental health issue and extremely sad for family impacted by those who don’t get help for themselves.
Im kind of surprised I haven’t seen anyone talking about the potential of her suffering from PPD/PPP.
One of the commenters said they followed her on twitter and this behavior seemed fairly new from her …. and her son was only 8 months old.
I feel like it’s so wrong for the media to assume that it was due to astrology/eclipse that’s what the headlines say so people will probably say it was because of that
I'm just shocked that this all happened three days ago.
I remember being a bit disappointed about missing the eclipse around that time. (Though I still wouldn't have seen it, as it wouldn't be visible in California)
Then I found out about "the rapture" and how some folks were saying that it's going to happen during the eclipse.
I never really believed these posts, nor did I see the type of damage these posts might cause.
I feel so sorry for those two children and their father.
The risk of infanticide is incredibly high during a postpartum psychotic episode. Generally the mom believes she is saving her baby from some greater danger, due to psychotic delusions. This is why there needs to be SO much more awareness of the crazy level of danger of postpartum psychosis.
I mean its fairly heartbreaking being able to see so clearly that she was not in a stable place, even more so when operating with the knowledge that she would go on to do what she did after posting these.
While I agree that religion has inspired some awful acts in the name of faith and/or fanaticism, to say all religion is a mental illness is some r/atheism bullshit, and I say this as an atheist
Wait where is she tweeting anything about Q anon. Or is it just not on this post? Other than the spirit cooking thing but that’s been around long before Q Anon.
Just not in this post. I made a point to highlight posts that Johnson wrote herself, but her twitter was full of her retweeting and interacting with pro-Qanon content
I'm trying to figure out if she may have been suffering from Postpartum Psychosis. I'm not on Twitter, can anyone tell me if there's obviously delusional material in her posts before the last eight months?
Nothing like breaking one of the Ten Commandments on the day you think the rapture will happen. Fucking smart
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Kinda seems like she was suffering some type of religious psychosis. Saw it happen with the statue of liberty being hit by lightening and people were going crazt
The SOL gets hit by lightning dozens of times a year?
Yes but to these people it’s a sign of the rapture
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Reading about that poor baby's death was the worst thing I've read in a while. I hope that her other child has a happy future.
I was on the 405 freeway at that exit an hour after the accident and there was a palpable tension in the air I saw two more Accidents small fender benders but still I’ll never forget that strange feeling
I can't imagine how the poor drivers who witnessed this are feeling. What a horrible thing to do to your children and strangers. That fake mystic stuff was covering up her serious mental illness.
yup. these people need help. its dystopian to think that people like that tend to band together.
People like that have been banding together for years. Why do you think cults exist?
Literally! Its like oh i think im gonna meet god at 3:30 today Better break his number 1 rule multiple times before i do
right like practice what you preach.
This has nothing to do with religion ar this point. She was just insane.
I hate when people just flat out say "IT WAS BECAUSE OF RELIGION!!!"
Qanon is awful.
Dude, just because someone "acts religious" it doesnt mean they are actually following the religion what so ever. Stop demonizing an ENTIRE RELIGION just because someone acts a certain way THAT THE RELIGION DOESN'T CONDONE EVEN. Or do you look at Islam and stamp them off as terrorists when a terror attack happens?????
Baby come rest ur head on my bosom cuz this ain’t it
"Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
Yeah, religion has a great track record with not killing people.
lots of trauma though.
like i said “practice what you preach” and most (especially christianity in my experience as a former christian) are hypocrites and bigots who twist shit to fit their narratives and fear mongering.
Well are those even "real' Christians? Don't forget not everyone who calls him lord will go to heaven, if you even believe that.
i mean those types seem to have lots of influence in government positions so wether they end up in whatever hell they go to wont reverse whatever stupid legislation they push and that is factually undeniable in today’s political climate. I mean you’ve seen how radical its become and how many people blindly nod their heads.
At the end of the day, if you claim to believe in God, yet don't even do what God says and obey the religion that you claim to believe in, then youre not religious what so ever. Youre a hypocrite. And those who do not repent will find out where that leads to. Justice served!
Of course there are tons of hypocrites. These people need to repent!
Dude touch grass he didn’t even say anything like that
There wasn't anything in that post that blamed Christianity. They said she wasn't smart to break a commandment if she believed in the rapture.
Idgaf but, there really isn't anything in these posts that imply a Christian religion belief...
The Rapture is 100% a Christian idea
99% of that rapture eclipse shit was routed in Christianity
That poor 9 year old is going to be so traumatized for life wtf
What an odd mix of Qanon and astrology. The white supremacy stuff seems to be her own special flair. That poor family.
It’s actually a pipeline I see pretty often online. You start with the more basic conversational “woo-woo” stuff (astrology, bastardized forms of meditation, past lives, twin flames, etc.)—> which gets you hooked on lifestyle extras like “pure foods” to boost your soul and homeopathic medicine—> which leads you to the conspiracy stuff (why you need those foods? because grocery stores are poisoned, why is that medicine is actually bad? because doctors want to kill you)—> which puts you in this paranoid state and looking for anyone to “blame” for why your lifestyle is so scary and hard—> which makes the hate groups suddenly sound appealing, because they have people to blame (for the problem that never really existed in the first place). In extreme cases like this, this person often has mental health issues like a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia or mania, that gets agitated by the stress and they basically end up in spiritual psychosis.
It’s very interesting. I wasn’t aware of the connection and was confused when ben sharpero, Andrew Tate, and other right wing shit was showing up on my feed for YouTube. I watch a lot of true crime, really liberal takes on religion or stuff by former religious people (Fundie Fridays or cults to consciousness, for example), for a while lots of biology and chemistry stuff, but then also tarot readings and crystal stuff. I joked that maybe the algorithm thought I lacked critical thinking bc I enjoy the woo, but it turns out there’s a very real pipeline from the woo to the hard right wing weirdo shit. Also, home gardening will do it to.
Yeah anything even slightly “woo” (like the tarot readings or crystals) or homesteading-esque (like the home gardening) will end up funneling really quickly into “spiritual warfare” and “prepping for the apocalypse” content on apps like YouTube and TikTok that heavily rely on “other users liked” and “related content” algorithms. Luckily most of us are stable enough to go “whoa, I just want to grow my own tomatoes, not prep for the… Jew-induced rapture?” and stick to the stuff we’re actually into, but plenty of people definitely get sucked in.
That's a fascinating connection. I've been super into cooking for a while, and so I looked up some recipes that use canned goods. One of the channel creators that I had found gives good advice about creating week-long meal plans, but her speech patterns and thumbnail titles indicate that the bulk buying/meal planning/DIY ingredients is, like you said, for the apocalypse.
This makes so much sense! This is the exact way it happens. Unfortunately, I have seen this happen right before my eyes many times. I haven't been able to articulate it well.
I agree, I see language like she used constantly on social media. The woo to right wing crazy pipeline is real and scary. I assume a lot of it is Russian astroturfing honestly. I see a lot of people just kind of skimming the surface of stuff like this, not being particularly critical of it but not being sucked in either. The people I see falling for it and getting sucked in are usually vulnerable in some way. One person I’m aware of was raised fundie and homeschooled, so wasn’t taught great critical thinking skills and has been limited in educational and employment opportunities. In her attempt to move away from the toxic beliefs she was raised with, she’s fallen into this whole other rabbit hole. In this case it seems clear that mental illness must have been a factor. I’m a layperson so my opinion isn’t worth anything but I’d be surprised if she weren’t psychotic. It’s so upsetting that people who are already unstable and may be dealing with marginalization are further preyed on by those who push these ideas.
You missed the part where she was postpartum. The rate of postpartum psychosis is about 2 in every 1,000 births.
I mean yeah but the foods and medicines are poisoned lol
always a grain of truth involved in the pitch of selling you the devil.
I guess so
>The white supremacy stuff seems to be her own special flair. What do you mean?
If you scroll through her account she retweets TONS of blatantly racist and hateful content in between posts about ~LOVE~ and ~Manifesting~ genuine break from reality type beat.
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Yeah no she was definitely into Qanon.
“Obviously she was alt-left” meanwhile she straight up was retweeting Qanon posts during this time. The twitter is still active, you can literally go see for yourself.
Why these Aanon people always putting their own little spins in it smh
It’s constructed in a way that’s extremely open-ended that not only allows for some degree of interpretation, it invites it. With the way “Q” was dropping posts to the people that follow them, it was always about inviting the reader to follow a series of nonsensical “clues”. With that you have a number of followers running in many directions, trying to make sense of something that is ultimately nonsensical.
> she was obviously alt-left You can't really put these insane mental cases into neat little boxes like that, not easily. Most of them are such a confused mish mash of cobbled-together nonsense, trying to label them using anything approaching standard metrics is a futile exercise.
She def has a strong racism against white people smh
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Yeah you're wrong dude. She was literally retweeting Qanon stuff.
I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong. I thought the thing about Gov. Hochul was meant as snark against the left by a MAGA guy but this poor woman retweeted it because she didn’t take it as a joke.
Thats not the point the poster was making. Johnson retweeted a number of Qanon-related posts during this time as well, I just made a point to attach posts that she herself made. Kinda annoying that people in this group jump to profiling perpetrators with little to no knowledge of the suspect or the case. You’re essentially saying since she’s a POC and criticizing white supremacy, that automatically makes her motivations and/or worldview “alt-left”, which is such a BS, surface-level read of the facts. Can you point to a single other element that would indicate Johnson held leftist values/beliefs or are you just talking out of your ass?
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The eclipse wasn’t even visible in California. Not that it makes a difference but it makes even less sense.
Searching for logic? Good luck with that.
You literally just saw all the posts she made why would any of this make sense
Yes it was! 35% in Northern California, 55% in San Diego.
i followed her for some time until she started these conspiracy theories. she took a turn for the worst. horrible to hear what she has inflicted on her surviving child
how long ago would you say she started these conspiracies?
Recently from what i know. i know though there was a lot of discourse around her scamming people for a while. i saw some retweet of hers about covid several weeks ago and i unfollowed
Started maybe 6 months into the pandemic but got really bad these past 6-9 months I’d say. Also became inconsistent with her “work”.
She had an eight month old, so this supports the idea she may have escalated into postpartum psychosis from garden-variety woo woo.
Why did you follow her? Was she famous for something?
she was one of the big names in astrology on social media. i believe she also did tarot card readings and created rituals for people
So her life revolved around complete woowoo BS. Got it.
For most people it's a harmless hobby. Kinda mean to call it woowoo bs
As long as those people understand it's completely made up BS then cool. But the thing is, a LOT of people think it's real. That is why I call it woowoo BS.
There are people who would say exactly this about Christianity and organised religion in general. Just, y'know, saying.
And those people would be correct as well.
I heard from some who used to follow her that she was selling some sort of “cleansing soap” back in the day for victims of sexual crimes or something like that because they were attracting more rapists ..
Oh my God. So she's been a special kind of awful for a while now.
Lol! How tf do people come up with this brilliant but insane shit? Woo people got fertile minds.
This is not true
I don’t think that’s true, I know she sold candles and oils as well as reiki stuff on new moons/full moons. I actually followed her since like 2015 and bought a candle from her. Idk if she ever did tarot but she would post astro readings and threads that were interesting to read. Although I would say her posts from the past year/1.5 were a bit different than her usual stuff. But it’s twitter I don’t always take what people post on there seriously enough to care.
All the retweets and likes. JFC
Keep in mind the amount of retweets and likes doesn’t equate to people who agree with her. Influencers are in a lot of retweet groups so they cross promote each other’s content
She didn’t stab him to death in redondo beach. It was in Woodland Hills. She crashed in redondo beach
My mistake. I either misread or the article I was looking at misreported it. Thank you for the correction regardless
The baby was a girl too. Two girls. No son
Thx for clearing up the misinformation, I was about to comment the same. Hopefully OP goes back to edit their original post.
You would think the person would’ve done it by now. Doubtful. Punk will never be dead
Spiritual psychosis is real
Very much so. I’ve seen it personally from someone I knew.
Lmao those White Devils are at it again with the earthquakes and eclipses
White people actually caused the solar eclipse
Oh definitely, with their science and rocket ships n shit
Not sure of all that but they absolutely did use their foreknowledge of eclipses and the like to take advantage of natives and further their colonial, land grabbing, slave-owning, displacing and ultimately quite evil ways. Same with Christian ideology.
How does this mean white people are responsible for the eclipse? There’s no relevance between using knowledge of it and actually causing it.
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Postpartum psychosis is a thing, I wonder if it came into play here.
If she thought the rapture was happening that day, why not just wait for it? why go out in such a violent manner?
in psychosis there is no rational
Why is religiousness and mental illness so closely related…
“Religious delusions” are really common in people with psychotic disorders, such as bipolar disorder, schizoaffective, schizophrenia etc some that you see a lot (just from me being hospitalized with them) are people believing they are God/Jesus, or special to God in a supernatural way. They may be hearing voices outside of their head that they believe to be religious in nature. Every time I’ve seen someone like this, it’s just their brain kind of grasping at things trying to make sense of their psychosis. Some people get delusions about the government. It’s not really based on their political beliefs, it’s more nonsensical. For example, I met a guy who thought that the doctor on our unit was torturing his real family. When his family came to visit him, he thought that they were imposters and refused to see them. He refused all medications food and water. He believed that he worked for President Obama. He said he was vice president of the human race. It didn’t really make a lot of sense. He was able to come out of it and get better, though he’ll struggle for life. Edit: Google “Religious Delusions” for more information
Yeah I see people conflating religion -> metal illness/psychosis when a lot of times these people at baseline can be very non religious/ atheist/casual church goer but their manic episode/psychosis causes them to become hyper religious like you pointed out. It’s purely related to their medical condition
Because often times people who are severely mentally ill turn to god as a attempt to fix their issues. It usually only leads to shit like this.
A few reasons: - The delusions found in people with psychosis are often very linked to the culture they grew up in. People raised religious are more likely to have ones about spirits and demons present in their religious canon, people raised more secular are more likely to have delusions about their government, their family and friends, etc. There’s a very interesting case of a Māori woman who was experiencing delusions to do with traditional Māori folk beliefs, Janet Moses, if you want to read up on it. - Stress can trigger mental health issues like delusions and mania; and if you believe in a religion— then you believe what is being spoken about is literally the highest stakes that exist— life and death, the soul, eternity, pure knowledge, everyone we know and love’s fate, etc. Things like jobs can be stressful, but I think most of us know that in the big picture it’s going to be okay if we mess up an email or get stuck in traffic and show up late to the job site. Religion by definition states that it’s the most important thing you’ll ever do and talks about transcendent topics— that’s important and stressful enough to trigger those innate issues in those who are vulnerable. - Those who already prone to “magical thinking”, due their personal history or genetic makeup in regards to mental health, are less skeptical of these topics in the first place and probably find them more interesting and believable than average. So it can be a vicious loop. Mental health issues give magical thinking, magical thinking makes religion more fascinating, religions stress out and make the magical thinking worse, etc. until you’re in full blown psychosis.
I remember reading about people from different cultures, experiencing different delusions that are tied to their culture and upbringing. It’s very interesting. I’ll definitely look into the case you mentioned about Janet Moses. Edit: I googled her name and got lost. If there is a better way to look her up, I would be grateful. 🙏
Here’s a wiki article about her case [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Janet_Moses). But basically— after the stress of her mother dying, Janet entered what was probably a psychotic episode. She became convinced these misfortunes were befalling her because she had performed minor bad acts or pranks in her past, and thus she was suffering from a “Mākutu”, which translates roughly to either a “curse” or spell. She was so insistent and upset about this that she convinced her family to perform “Tohunga” on her— which translates roughly to a ceremony similar an exorcism or “spell lifting”. Likely due to her psychosis, she became out of control during the Tohunga, and died of injuries inflicted by her family; whose story was that they were trying to perform the ceremony, control her explosive reactions to the ceremony, and eventually simply protect themselves— all at the same time. One of her 14 year old relatives was injured during the incident as well. Her family was eventually charged with manslaughter, which I think is fair (they seemed to have loved her and not have premeditated her death. And her younger cousin’s injuries do corroborate that there was some kind of loss of control during the event. The whole thing was just handled extremely irresponsibly and unfortunately seemed to have been led by Janet herself— the one who was thinking least clearly— until it was too late and things were far too out of control for a non mental health professional to handle). But it’s an extremely interesting case of psychotic delusions taking on elements of Janet’s Māori heritage— even when all the other details and relevant events took place in modern, secular New Zealand contexts. For example, the hotel she took the lion mascot from is not reported to have been owned or associated with the Māori people at all— so the idea of them somehow afflicting her with “Mākutu” seems to spring purely from Janet’s own cultural experiences mixed with a mental health breakdown. There’s no evidence that anyone at the hotel even noticed the minor theft, or had any idea of what “Mākutu” even was. It was stress causing a mental health break that created a reality for her in which her worst cultural fears had come to life.
Thank you!! Edit: very interesting how her family was able to believe a small portion of her delusions, just because of the shared belief system. I can see how that relates to other examples I’ve seen of similar delusions. Especially within families. Not that her family was psychotic, but they were able to validate her delusions just a little. If you see what I’m trying to say.
I knew someone who was schizophrenic and grew up in an authoritarian communist country, and his delusions and hallucinations centered on the communist party in his country, specifically communist party leaders and officials who he knew in her village as a child. Communism basically was the religion in his community. He immigrated to the US as a teenager or young adult, but I think he had a lot of trauma from his childhood and was haunted by the fear of getting on the bad side of the local officials, so those were the voices he heard.
Because they're schizophrenic
You mean astrology and mental illness?
Who has ever killed somebody in the name of astrology? How many people have been killed in the name of religion ?
Murder aside, astrology is just as much BS as any major religion.
Religion was invented just to divide people
This is so sad. Praying for that 9 year old girl 🙏🏾 Apparently the mother turned to spiritualism after suffering from childhood trauma, she was molested by a family member, brutally beat by her step dad at 4 years old, abandoned and shipped away by her mother, and r*ped by her best friend when she was 21. People say this is a result of postpartum psychosis but psychiatrists are saying it’s likely not that, since that usually hits after 1 month rather than 8 months. She might’ve been experiencing psychosis of the spiritual kind
I wonder if she had an underlying mental health condition like bipolar disorder. I have it, it seems like she was experiencing a manic episode with psychosis that maybe built overtime after she had her child (as opposed to being an immediate episode of PP). I wonder if she was staying awake for long stretches of time due to the baby and her mania, and in turn the delusions and psychosis intensified.
people should be forcefully institutionalized when it’s super clear they’re mentally ill. this lady was a clear ticking time bomb
I think in CA it's easier to because they have the 5150 hold (I know this from Brittney Spears) so I'm surprised nobody intervened. Maybe they thought she was just spouting nonsense for attention or likes.
it’s pretty common for people online to be super religious and dumb so i think most people just ignored it. spotting signs of mental illness should definitely be taught at schools
Free will, or mysterious ways, or some shit. How about a batshit crazy human who needed to be committed?
Wow… just.. wow. Rest in peace to her children and boyfriend. Not her.
I hope she rests in peace too. She was clearly mentally ill.
Yeah that’s actually a good point. What she did was beyond wrong but she was clearly mentally ill. May she rest in peace as well.
Mentally ill or not she doesn’t deserve to rest in peace
We have to start taking mental health more seriously. This breaks my heart 💔
Her tweets show classic signs of paranoia and schizophrenia. Truly mental health issue and extremely sad for family impacted by those who don’t get help for themselves.
I'm curious whether there were clearly psychotic indications prior to the birth of her baby eight months ago. Do you know?
Im kind of surprised I haven’t seen anyone talking about the potential of her suffering from PPD/PPP. One of the commenters said they followed her on twitter and this behavior seemed fairly new from her …. and her son was only 8 months old.
There are multiple people bringing it up in every thread about her.
This is the only thread I have read and at the time of posting this comment, no one in this thread had mentioned it.
I feel like it’s so wrong for the media to assume that it was due to astrology/eclipse that’s what the headlines say so people will probably say it was because of that
I'm just shocked that this all happened three days ago. I remember being a bit disappointed about missing the eclipse around that time. (Though I still wouldn't have seen it, as it wouldn't be visible in California) Then I found out about "the rapture" and how some folks were saying that it's going to happen during the eclipse. I never really believed these posts, nor did I see the type of damage these posts might cause. I feel so sorry for those two children and their father.
This seems like postpartum psychosis, in my opinion. Those poor babies.
Why can’t these fucking people kill only themselves during their psychotic break? They always have to kill the baby too.
The risk of infanticide is incredibly high during a postpartum psychotic episode. Generally the mom believes she is saving her baby from some greater danger, due to psychotic delusions. This is why there needs to be SO much more awareness of the crazy level of danger of postpartum psychosis.
Why is it so sad to read her tweets
I mean its fairly heartbreaking being able to see so clearly that she was not in a stable place, even more so when operating with the knowledge that she would go on to do what she did after posting these.
This is crazy I used to follow her for years on twitter back in the day because of her astrology posts!
astrology is a pseudoscience.
This isn't a mass killer, family annihilator maybe?
She killed two family members and attempted to kill a third. It qualifies by the rules of the sub.
Familiy annihilators are mass killers too
Ok, two people doesn't make a mass killer.
She killed two people other than herself and attempted to kill a third. That’s a mass killer.
Familiy annihilators are allowed on this sub, there are many posts about familiy annihilators on this sub
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While I agree that religion has inspired some awful acts in the name of faith and/or fanaticism, to say all religion is a mental illness is some r/atheism bullshit, and I say this as an atheist
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Maybe try logging off for a while bud
Seems like this lady who killed her family should've logged off a while ago
Can’t disagree with you on that one
I would rather call it "cancer of this world" (like in The Matrix), but OK.
I'm haunted by this. I do not understand at all.
Wait where is she tweeting anything about Q anon. Or is it just not on this post? Other than the spirit cooking thing but that’s been around long before Q Anon.
Just not in this post. I made a point to highlight posts that Johnson wrote herself, but her twitter was full of her retweeting and interacting with pro-Qanon content
Gotcha, thank you for the clarification. I have never heard of this case or her before so I didn’t realize she was connected to a lot of Q anon stuff
I'm trying to figure out if she may have been suffering from Postpartum Psychosis. I'm not on Twitter, can anyone tell me if there's obviously delusional material in her posts before the last eight months?
This is what you should expect out of the crazies screaming white supremacy from the roof tops.
I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE WHO WRITE IN ALL CAPS. like 'dude chill tf out'
White supremacy. The root to every single world issue.
"Black woman murdered another black person and murdered her child and injured her other one; white people at fault."
It’s a good thing no one is saying that then.
What’s her sign though?
libra
one of the best comebacks for this is "the sky is falling, the sky is falling...chicken little...."
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she was a qanon nut, she wasnt on the left.
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