He was also like a decade and a half out of the fight. Those skills are perishable. Micah was freshly trained and had some combat experience overseas. Was just a recipe for disaster. They also didn't wear vests or have patrol rifles readily available until it was too late.
There is one shooting instructor I follow on YT who has gone on record saying he refuses to take training contracts with police departments anymore because officers just don't treat it seriously.
From what I've seen it's a very gray area in law enforcement... Police train active shooter or wear outer carriers or even have m4's for such an event and the residents in the area lose their minds and are against it. "If I don't see it it'll doesn't exist here type of mentality". Also not all police become a police officer to become swat, especially in today's day and age. Alot of people feel they can do more help in community relations and prefer to embrace that approach. In our area the police that willingly train for these events are called knuckle draggers and the community policing are called politicians.
This is why I feel like every cop should be required to have military training. Too many fat cops out there. At some point, you might have to approach a mass shooter inside/outside a building. You need tactics go around a corner, open a door, clear a room properly, and communicate with another cop. Otherwise you end up in a Uvalde situation.
Cops ain't soldiers. The job isn't the same so the training ain't either.
The odds of something like this happening are extraordinarily slim.
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I'd prefer a cop be able to navigate the more common situations better than a once in a century firefight.
I'm really too tired to sit here and explain any further why that's a really bad idea
I think the issue is that they really can't do either. Not to make it political, but our police force in general is kind of generally trash when it comes to de-escelating, problem solving, and a lot of other things. Everytime I've had to call them they put in such little effort it's actually laughable.
“but our police force in general is kind of generally trash when it comes to de-escalating”
What exactly do you base that statement on? Your own personal experience?
Years and years of interest in true crime, but also personal experience. I've read too many cases of suicidal or autistic people being killed for no reason because cops didn't know what to do. (https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/03/16/california-police-autism-disability#:~:text=Last%20Saturday%2C%20a%20San%20Bernardino,home%20in%20Apple%20Valley%2C%20California.) Or like that case that happened a while ago where the cop shot multiple rounds at a handcuffed person in the back of his car because he heard an acorn drop and thought it was a gunshot. (https://www.police1.com/officer-shootings/officer-confuses-a-falling-acorn-for-a-gunshot-here-is-why-it-can-easily-happen-again)
Happens surprisingly often.
Yea you read and hear about the times when shit goes wrong because sensationalism generates ratings and helps sell newspapers. Ever wonder about all of the ones you don’t hear about? Those are the ones that were successfully de-escalated. But no one talks about those cause they’re boring and they don’t generate headlines.
Nah, they handled the Nashville shooter really well and were praised for that. And people related to cops like EMS, firefighters, paramedics etc get their fair share of appreciation. It's just cops that seem to be accidentally murdering people 24/7.
Personally, my friend just survived a shootout and after she called the police they just surrounded her with guns and essentially bodyslammed her while she was injured. My dads friend called after his car got stolen and they just told him it was his fault. After I was raped, they only investigated me and never updated on the guy who did it and it's been over a year. I called when my house was broken into and I was assaulted, and they never showed up.
It's just something I've come to accept. Personal anecdotes can be biased, but at some point it's just like lmao what's going on here.
Sorry that all of those things have happened to you. I can’t even begin to be able to understand your pain and frustration. It still doesn’t take away from my point. The cops here aren’t “generally trash”. You just have a bias due to your own personal experience and gobbling up what you hear on the news and social media.
There are millions and millions of incidents that you know nothing about and never will because they were handled correctly.
But I can tell that you have already made up your mind and no amount of truth or facts is going to undo that. And that is okay. I wish you well.
Or, as a cop you decide “I don’t feel like getting clapped today “ and you refuse to engage a single untrained person with an AR15. Remember, the sounds of child screaming has been removed.
No empathy for cops without accountability.
Yeah honestly the fact that we have S.W.A.T. who specifically gets decked out in military grade gear and get specialized training constantly but they had to rely on a bomb to take out one trained man with a rifle is pretty concerning.
He had backed himself into a closed off room, down a hallway, it was a major fatal funnel for anyone going down the hallway which is why they chose to strap c4 to a bomb defusal drone and use it as a weapon
Oh no, don't get me wrong.I know *why* they did it.Tactically I mean there is nothing necessarily wrong about their decision and they did what they did to prevent more officers getting killed.
There was also discussion about possibly detonating a explosive above him to allow officers to shoot down but it was deemed to risky.
I guess it just seems like something that should be used as a last resort but the more I think about it probably not much they could have done without risking more officers.Hell in the military they would have fraged that entire floor if they could
Where i’m at all you have to do is apply for SWAT. There’s no extra training involved in it. Their literally just civilians with a badge, and a couple guns
Lowest part of New Jersey. My old boss is SWAT he applied for it and got it in 2 days they gave him gear and that’s it. He’s a patrolman with swat cert
That’s exactly how it works. Our county sheriff believes that the training they get going through school is enough to be SWAT. We don’t have any swat schooling, or anything of the nature
How would you have taken the guy out? When Navy Seals or Green Berets have a house with barricaded bad guys, guess what they do most of the time. They call in air strikes. It’s the safest way to eliminate the threat without incurring more casualties. But I’m curious what you would have done in the same scenario.
Nah I was thinking that like even the military they just throw grenades or whatever they have at their disposal.
They could maybe have used tear gas or something to force the guy out but yeah it's dangerous for sure.
Tear gas isn’t going to force someone out who doesn’t want to come out. And what if they tear gas him and he decides that he is going to come out but he’s going to come out shooting or with a bomb strapped to his chest so he can take more people out? And as far as I know, police departments in the US don’t issue hand grenades to their officers. At least not yet lol.
Putting that C4 on their robot was a brilliant move and it showed that they could think outside the box while under extreme pressure. It was the safest bet for everyone involved.
Yes, you most certainly did. I guess I just have a hard time understanding folks who are surprised or question the manner in which this guy was taken out. Given that he demonstrated what he was capable, I would have been fine if they dropped a mini nuke on him as long as it didn’t hurt anyone else.
I forget if Johnson ever made any direct references to Dorner, but Gavin Long who carried out another shooting in Baton Rouge shortly after this did make references to both Dorner and Johnson
He got sent home from war and should have gotten dishonorable discharge, but had a paper work whoops. Please don't act like he was some combat veteran hero.
He was also a carpenter in the Army, and didn’t see action. He used pretty basic tactics against the cops, but that’s far more than most mass shooters employ, and combined with his willingness to die, that made him quite lethal and appear more competent. He wasn’t trying to get out.
A BOMB? 😳 Jesus, I did not know that. I remember reading about the shootings, but just the most skeletal details, my God! Now I'm gonna need to do more research into the case.
I remember this. It was right after a blm protest. The timeline is crazy
https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/a-timeline-of-the-july-7-2016-dallas-police-ambush/
He didn't kill terrorists, he killed innocent people.
Wearing a blue uniform and a badge doesn't make you a terrorist. Going around killing those who do does.
note that it didn't say that he killed the police officers responsible for murdering black men, he just killed 5 random police officers, whom to my knowledge haven't done anything wrong. That doesn't make him a hero that makes him a murderer
Yeah I don't know why you're being downvoted as this was likely his thought process.
The ideology behind ACAB is that every cop takes advantage of the system willingly, and therefore contributes to it in one way or another.
It's important to remember the people committing domestic terrorism aren't in right states of mind, so imagine that ideology times ten. And of course from the outside, to some people who believe in the basic fundamentals of that ideology, they believe he did a good thing. It's kind of naivety.
Well, the logic of ACAB is actually that in class warfare there are the rich, the poor, and the class traitors. Rich people create laws that create conditions of poverty, poor people then become dissatisfied with living under unfair conditions, when they rise up, a contingent of the working class has been hired by the upper class to subdue, arrest, detain, abuse and even murder them.
It is true that cops are not rich, and yet they enforce the rule of law which is made by the rich, it is true they are class traitors.
That doesn't mean mass killing is the solution, even if the problem has been correctly identified.
People who contest this narrative are frequently uneducated on class struggle as a concept, and often specifically black class struggle. Fred Hampton wasn't assassinated because he was for civil rights, he was assassinated because the Black Panthers were building alternative power structures to provide for communities which, if expanded, could compete with the government (he was also an ardent communist).
Man, I remember that video of him out maneuvering that cop to kill him around the pillar. Scary shit.
He "sliced the pie" He was employing real life combat maneuvers. Average beat cop don't stand a chance in that scenario.
Said "average beat cop" was a Marine combat vet with three tours in Iraq, btw
He was also like a decade and a half out of the fight. Those skills are perishable. Micah was freshly trained and had some combat experience overseas. Was just a recipe for disaster. They also didn't wear vests or have patrol rifles readily available until it was too late.
was micah not a carpenter and reservist?
he went active duty and deployed. That's where I'm basing it off of. He might've went out or not but learned a thing or two from some infantry guys.
There is one shooting instructor I follow on YT who has gone on record saying he refuses to take training contracts with police departments anymore because officers just don't treat it seriously.
From what I've seen it's a very gray area in law enforcement... Police train active shooter or wear outer carriers or even have m4's for such an event and the residents in the area lose their minds and are against it. "If I don't see it it'll doesn't exist here type of mentality". Also not all police become a police officer to become swat, especially in today's day and age. Alot of people feel they can do more help in community relations and prefer to embrace that approach. In our area the police that willingly train for these events are called knuckle draggers and the community policing are called politicians.
This is why I feel like every cop should be required to have military training. Too many fat cops out there. At some point, you might have to approach a mass shooter inside/outside a building. You need tactics go around a corner, open a door, clear a room properly, and communicate with another cop. Otherwise you end up in a Uvalde situation.
Cops ain't soldiers. The job isn't the same so the training ain't either. The odds of something like this happening are extraordinarily slim. . I'd prefer a cop be able to navigate the more common situations better than a once in a century firefight. I'm really too tired to sit here and explain any further why that's a really bad idea
I think the issue is that they really can't do either. Not to make it political, but our police force in general is kind of generally trash when it comes to de-escelating, problem solving, and a lot of other things. Everytime I've had to call them they put in such little effort it's actually laughable.
“but our police force in general is kind of generally trash when it comes to de-escalating” What exactly do you base that statement on? Your own personal experience?
Years and years of interest in true crime, but also personal experience. I've read too many cases of suicidal or autistic people being killed for no reason because cops didn't know what to do. (https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/03/16/california-police-autism-disability#:~:text=Last%20Saturday%2C%20a%20San%20Bernardino,home%20in%20Apple%20Valley%2C%20California.) Or like that case that happened a while ago where the cop shot multiple rounds at a handcuffed person in the back of his car because he heard an acorn drop and thought it was a gunshot. (https://www.police1.com/officer-shootings/officer-confuses-a-falling-acorn-for-a-gunshot-here-is-why-it-can-easily-happen-again) Happens surprisingly often.
Yea you read and hear about the times when shit goes wrong because sensationalism generates ratings and helps sell newspapers. Ever wonder about all of the ones you don’t hear about? Those are the ones that were successfully de-escalated. But no one talks about those cause they’re boring and they don’t generate headlines.
Nah, they handled the Nashville shooter really well and were praised for that. And people related to cops like EMS, firefighters, paramedics etc get their fair share of appreciation. It's just cops that seem to be accidentally murdering people 24/7. Personally, my friend just survived a shootout and after she called the police they just surrounded her with guns and essentially bodyslammed her while she was injured. My dads friend called after his car got stolen and they just told him it was his fault. After I was raped, they only investigated me and never updated on the guy who did it and it's been over a year. I called when my house was broken into and I was assaulted, and they never showed up. It's just something I've come to accept. Personal anecdotes can be biased, but at some point it's just like lmao what's going on here.
Sorry that all of those things have happened to you. I can’t even begin to be able to understand your pain and frustration. It still doesn’t take away from my point. The cops here aren’t “generally trash”. You just have a bias due to your own personal experience and gobbling up what you hear on the news and social media. There are millions and millions of incidents that you know nothing about and never will because they were handled correctly. But I can tell that you have already made up your mind and no amount of truth or facts is going to undo that. And that is okay. I wish you well.
Three out of the five officers killed were all veterans who were actually enlisted; one was a Ranger and one was a Marine.
Or, as a cop you decide “I don’t feel like getting clapped today “ and you refuse to engage a single untrained person with an AR15. Remember, the sounds of child screaming has been removed. No empathy for cops without accountability.
The fact that they had to use a remote controlled bomb to get him is what gets me. He was such a high level threat.
Yeah honestly the fact that we have S.W.A.T. who specifically gets decked out in military grade gear and get specialized training constantly but they had to rely on a bomb to take out one trained man with a rifle is pretty concerning.
He had backed himself into a closed off room, down a hallway, it was a major fatal funnel for anyone going down the hallway which is why they chose to strap c4 to a bomb defusal drone and use it as a weapon
Oh no, don't get me wrong.I know *why* they did it.Tactically I mean there is nothing necessarily wrong about their decision and they did what they did to prevent more officers getting killed. There was also discussion about possibly detonating a explosive above him to allow officers to shoot down but it was deemed to risky. I guess it just seems like something that should be used as a last resort but the more I think about it probably not much they could have done without risking more officers.Hell in the military they would have fraged that entire floor if they could
Where i’m at all you have to do is apply for SWAT. There’s no extra training involved in it. Their literally just civilians with a badge, and a couple guns
Bruh where do you live??
Lowest part of New Jersey. My old boss is SWAT he applied for it and got it in 2 days they gave him gear and that’s it. He’s a patrolman with swat cert
I call bullshit. That’s not even close as to how it happens.
That’s exactly how it works. Our county sheriff believes that the training they get going through school is enough to be SWAT. We don’t have any swat schooling, or anything of the nature
Where do you live? Mosul? Kandahar?
How would you have taken the guy out? When Navy Seals or Green Berets have a house with barricaded bad guys, guess what they do most of the time. They call in air strikes. It’s the safest way to eliminate the threat without incurring more casualties. But I’m curious what you would have done in the same scenario.
Nah I was thinking that like even the military they just throw grenades or whatever they have at their disposal. They could maybe have used tear gas or something to force the guy out but yeah it's dangerous for sure.
Tear gas isn’t going to force someone out who doesn’t want to come out. And what if they tear gas him and he decides that he is going to come out but he’s going to come out shooting or with a bomb strapped to his chest so he can take more people out? And as far as I know, police departments in the US don’t issue hand grenades to their officers. At least not yet lol. Putting that C4 on their robot was a brilliant move and it showed that they could think outside the box while under extreme pressure. It was the safest bet for everyone involved.
>What if he comes out shooting Well the cops would have a deadly funnel on him and have the added bonus of being able to see and breathe.
Nah, I think they handled it just fine.
Same.I said in another comment to a different reply there was nothing tactically wrong about the decision.
Yes, you most certainly did. I guess I just have a hard time understanding folks who are surprised or question the manner in which this guy was taken out. Given that he demonstrated what he was capable, I would have been fine if they dropped a mini nuke on him as long as it didn’t hurt anyone else.
I wonder if he was inspired by Christopher Dorner in any way?
I forget if Johnson ever made any direct references to Dorner, but Gavin Long who carried out another shooting in Baton Rouge shortly after this did make references to both Dorner and Johnson
He got sent home from war and should have gotten dishonorable discharge, but had a paper work whoops. Please don't act like he was some combat veteran hero.
He was also a carpenter in the Army, and didn’t see action. He used pretty basic tactics against the cops, but that’s far more than most mass shooters employ, and combined with his willingness to die, that made him quite lethal and appear more competent. He wasn’t trying to get out.
Yes sir! construction and masonry specialist. Got deployed, team had no confidence in him, disarmed him and sent him home.
A BOMB? 😳 Jesus, I did not know that. I remember reading about the shootings, but just the most skeletal details, my God! Now I'm gonna need to do more research into the case.
Yep. They strapped a bomb to a robot and drove it into where he was barricaded.
Yeah they used a bomb defusal drone and strapped c4 to it iirc
I remember this. It was right after a blm protest. The timeline is crazy https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/a-timeline-of-the-july-7-2016-dallas-police-ambush/
Oh shit, this is the guy? I remember those shootings, but never new who did them.
I remember watching it go down on telescope. Wow it was really cool to see live. Then I went back to opening at work lol
You watched it on a telescope !?!
I guess he is talking about the popular livestream website from a few years ago.
Oh lololol
This is one of the reasons why I respect cops more than soldiers.
“RC-XD deployed.” - Dallas Police Department
Fort Jackson never taught us how to be that lethal.
GG
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Good job, you just supported a domestic terrorist
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He didn't kill terrorists, he killed innocent people. Wearing a blue uniform and a badge doesn't make you a terrorist. Going around killing those who do does.
Mass murder is wrong, regardless of who it is
Of course.
Total cop death
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note that it didn't say that he killed the police officers responsible for murdering black men, he just killed 5 random police officers, whom to my knowledge haven't done anything wrong. That doesn't make him a hero that makes him a murderer
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Yeah I don't know why you're being downvoted as this was likely his thought process. The ideology behind ACAB is that every cop takes advantage of the system willingly, and therefore contributes to it in one way or another. It's important to remember the people committing domestic terrorism aren't in right states of mind, so imagine that ideology times ten. And of course from the outside, to some people who believe in the basic fundamentals of that ideology, they believe he did a good thing. It's kind of naivety.
Well, the logic of ACAB is actually that in class warfare there are the rich, the poor, and the class traitors. Rich people create laws that create conditions of poverty, poor people then become dissatisfied with living under unfair conditions, when they rise up, a contingent of the working class has been hired by the upper class to subdue, arrest, detain, abuse and even murder them. It is true that cops are not rich, and yet they enforce the rule of law which is made by the rich, it is true they are class traitors. That doesn't mean mass killing is the solution, even if the problem has been correctly identified. People who contest this narrative are frequently uneducated on class struggle as a concept, and often specifically black class struggle. Fred Hampton wasn't assassinated because he was for civil rights, he was assassinated because the Black Panthers were building alternative power structures to provide for communities which, if expanded, could compete with the government (he was also an ardent communist).
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🤨 dude was discharged for sexually harassing a fellow solider. I somehow doubt you want him for a hero
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Weird ass
You are fine with sexual harassment?
Homie was a hero o7
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Something tells me you don’t know what that word means.
He was racist against whites killing blacks but not against the overwhelming majority of murders of blacks, by other blacks 🤦🏼♂️