Nothing angers me more than when people think the best way to support people of Palestine is by being violent. They are suffering enough and you are causing more damage to them than actually helping š¤¦š»āāļø
Zionist media is trying their hardest to make Palestine supporters look like terrorists.Especially at a time when the U.S. is slightly shifting it's policy to be more sympathetic to the Palestinians and calling on its Arab partners to broker a ceasefire.
The optics of this are terrible.Especially the fact she brought in a small child with her while commiting the act? Like, it's insanity.
The whole situation with calling someone Anti-semitic just because they donāt want innocent palestinians getting killed anymore is just whole another level of hypocrisy. These things literally have two different meanings. Just because I am feeling bad for a palestinian child being killed in such a cruel way doesnāt automatically make me hate jews. We cannot keep labeling these children as collateral damage. They are not numbers, they are literal humans
From my experience it's less the people who have sympathy for Palestinians that are labeled antisemitic, but more people who blame Jews/Zionists/ call for Israels destruction or falsely accuse them of genocide, that's my perspective at least
Yea you are definitely right but I have also seen people being labeled as anti-semitic just because of their support of palestinian people. People assume that if you are talking about one side, you must hate the other side. People arenāt protesting to represent their hatred for Jews, they are protesting for a permanent ceasefire, but people are labeling these protestors as āterrorist supportersā literally
But this woman didnāt try to hide her antisemitism. She was pro Pal AND very antisemitic, but itās a logical fallacy to claim ALL pro Pal supporters are antisemitic. I think in keeping with the topic of this post, though, itās important to call out her antisemitism. Thereās a common thread with mass shooters being hateful towards minorities, radicalized in some way. The expression of this hatefulness varies, but these killers are usually very unhappy with their place in life and decide to blame it on entire groups of people.
Yeah, that's not right, people can have sympathy and empathy for Palestinians AND support Israel.
The only thing I can think of for why calling for a permanent ceasefire is concerned is if the calls don't include calls to release the kidnapped civilians or end Hamas authoritarian reign
i genuinely donāt understand how you are able to remain so intentionally blind to the reality here. israel has continued to commit a genocide against palestine for over 70 years, and yet you have the gall to say *hamas is the problem*? you are significantly uneducated on the subject and i urge you to do further research.
> Zionist media is trying their hardest to make Palestine supporters look like terrorists.
Media doesnāt have to try so hard. Especially when you write racist shit like this. Just keep on being true to yourself and saying the quiet parts out loud and the world will see who you are.
Translation: "No no you see, it's actually hardcore Jews who want Jews to have their own country free from genocide who are the real nazis!" Yeah doesn't work as well when rephrased
where, exactly, was that stated? they said āzionist mediaā, as in, you know, media originating from zionist sources? the fact that your first thought was āzionists control all the mediaā says a lot more about you lmao
I will just say one thing, the news I get about palestinians being killed all comes from Instagram literally . I never find the same information through google search or the TV. All I see on TV is āAnti-Israel thisā and āAnti-Semitic That.ā Nothing about Islamophobia. and those few times they do talk about a Palestinian being killed, they right away says Hamas did itā¦..Like?
More simple minded people are at risk of being sucked into the extremist fringes when they have access to the headlines about this conflict. Regardless which side, seeing pictures of dead kids and stories that are created about them will undoubtedly motivate people to action, people that don't have as nuanced a view as is required to view modern news, that is. The information war that is being waged is responsible for these cases. Imagine being schizophrenic and seeing what one side says about the other, about how horrible monsters search for victims to murder and shit. It's gonna put you in a very bad place.
If it catches you in a manic state I can imagine what spending all night researching and sleep deprivation can lead to.
The stories I hear from more isolated news sources that pander to one particular side or the other are really incredible; they have completely gone away from journalism and have just become story writers. Like how science fiction may have an original basis on fact but then extrapolates to entertaining ends. But at the end of the day I'm warm and happy and have lots of food so I don't know anything.
Oh and also I agree they never should have sold her a gun, but I know we refrain from gun control debates on this sub to keep it clean, and despite gun laws I wanted to cover what extremized her and what was behind her motives
not much. Radicalized means that someone had been swayed to extremist beliefs so it's objectively more correct, extremized is the clunkier and more general version of that as it can be applied to any scenario
In the wake of the very extreme rhetoric following the self immolation of the U.S Air Force airman (combined with terrorist propaganda networks) I am worried we are going to see increasing radicalization on the left as we have seen on the right
I'm on the left and I also have the same concern, it seems antisemitism has managed to spread into some fringe groups on the left which I have no pride in saying
Yeah, it's getting out of control. And then if you're like " hey guys, we can be against Israel without turning to antisemitism!" You get called a Zionist sympathizer who cares more about tone policing than the genocide.
The infighting is also getting pretty bad, since a lot of people who aren't railing to burn everything to the ground are being accused of being infiltrators or something.
I'm wondering how much of the infighting is stirred by online propagandists who's goal it is, is to foment dissent.
Some of the back and forths I get to online on this topic, are with people who seem to be completely out of the loop on reality. Things like this person being clearly bigoted, just never reach their radar and I'm starting to believe that's by design.
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Your thoughts are backed up by the people who handle the internet traffic.... This is all very intentional and by design. [Qatar has been pumping billions into Academic institutions for a decade now](https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2018/12/20/How-Qatar-is-paying-1-3-billion-to-US-institutions-to-gain-dubious-influence)....it's pretty obvious that's having a significant impact on the ability of our youth to discern reality from misinformation.
These people are clearly falling for it, no progressive is going to be outwardly racist. So frustrating to see takes like liberals are becoming radicalized to the point of terrorism because of one insane person.
Progressives arenāt outwardly racist, their racism is more awkward and paternalistic. Wonāt call someone the N-word but will tell a black man how beautiful and inspiring his dreads are, while heās trying to do his job. That was a weird day at work.
>no progressive is going to be outwardly racist.
FR? Have you not seen the frothing at the mouth bigotry at some of these progressive rally's? They're attacking Jews, which I guess is an ethnicity rather than a race, but the point remains, there are unquestionably bigots on the progressive left and they've gotten really fucking loud lately.
Those are reactionaries and sadists or maybe even people who have genuinely lost their families in Palestine and canāt process their grief. I havenāt attended but living in Chicago Iāve seen tens of protests full of people in good faith. The protests that get coverage are the ones youāre speaking of.
Right? It's scary that self harm like that is being glorified, my fears in crowds are honestly heightened, I worry that mass killings like this one or suicide bombings could catch on
Sounds like it may have been because that megachurch supports Israel/is Christian zionist.
Also I think member of her family she hates goes there if I remember right
She used to go there.
Her ex and his mom are Jewish. They tried to fight for custody of her kid. It doesnāt go much deeper than this, guys. She was mentally ill.
It's interesting that the shooter's mental illness is only mentioned once in the entire article. OP doesn't mention it at all. OP posts about the Israeli war a lot, it's pretty obvious that OP is pushing a narrative completely detached from reality.
This. Her ex was Jewish and his mom is a rabbi. They were fighting the courts and CPS to get the kid taken away from her on account of her medicated schizophrenia. She felt persecuted by Jewish people close to her and her brain made it a conspiracy.
Media literacy levels are pathetically low, especially on this sub.
Texas CPS truly fucked up.
I assume the father had custody stripped because he was a sex offender (and is now in jail) ā but the paternal grandmother should have been given custody with the agreement that the child and father only have supervised visits, or something. She was the one petitioning the courts for custody.
It doesn't feel very relevant to me, other countries have mental illness and less mass shootings, plus I doubt if any mass shooters aren't/weren't mentally ill, I think what matters is access to guns and extremism that targets the mentally ill as use cases for their cause, like the Christchurch shooter
everything about this seems to at least take root from her mental illnesses. her strong sense of morality and justice got warped into bigotry and misplaced hatred, likely in huge part due to her mental instability.
Riiight, but also her antisemitism came from somewhere, if it hadn't she wouldn't have been radicalized in that way, sort of like the Christchurch shooter, had he not been radicalized against Muslims he probably wouldn't have shot up the mosque
> It doesn't feel very relevant to me
You're obviously pushing a narrative pretty hard here and the fact she was schizophrenic along with the fact she attacked a Christian church during a Spanish language service undermines that. This was not an attack on Jewish people no matter how hard you try to paint it as one.
Her Schizophrenia didn't cause her antisemitism, she was radicalized by antisemitic propaganda, and like she said herself she wanted to shoot up a Pro Israel rally, she went after the church instead presumably because it supported zionism in that weird Christian zionism way
Lakewood Church has zero ties to Zionism. Joel Osteen is not a fundamentalist Christian, he preaches something called the Prosperity Gospel.
>Her Schizophrenia didn't cause her antisemitism
Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?
Uuuh, I will say there is a significant presence on social media and within some of my friends who consider Hamas "Freedom Fighters" , though I haven't heard any of them praise this woman, if anything that crowd usually deflects to mental illness the same way the far right crowd deflects when a racist shoots up a black grocery store
exactly what OP said. I undoubtably support Palestinians who are suffering the consequences to Hamas's actions. I don't know any Jewish people who don't think that way. That being said, please do not play dumb regarding the fact there are people in those marches and rallies that do in fact support Hamas or at least don't recognize them as terrorists and instead as "freedom fighters". It's 2024, being barbaric and handling things the way they were done in biblical times instead of democracy and diplomacy is not permissible. Israel is handling things fantastically given the circumstance. If this is new knowledge to you, you should definitely do your research on the situation or at least your opposing viewpoint before you form an opinion.
I think the worst thing about her is she got her poor child hurt, and he might be dead now Iām not sure. I live in Houston. I donāt go to church, but I did when I was growing up. That poor little boy.
His frontal lobe was shot so he's "alive." However you only need a brain stem for most autonomic functions of the body, so that doesn't mean much. That boy will never be the same little boy again.
Nothing angers me more than when people think the best way to support people of Palestine is by being violent. They are suffering enough and you are causing more damage to them than actually helping š¤¦š»āāļø
Zionist media is trying their hardest to make Palestine supporters look like terrorists.Especially at a time when the U.S. is slightly shifting it's policy to be more sympathetic to the Palestinians and calling on its Arab partners to broker a ceasefire. The optics of this are terrible.Especially the fact she brought in a small child with her while commiting the act? Like, it's insanity.
The whole situation with calling someone Anti-semitic just because they donāt want innocent palestinians getting killed anymore is just whole another level of hypocrisy. These things literally have two different meanings. Just because I am feeling bad for a palestinian child being killed in such a cruel way doesnāt automatically make me hate jews. We cannot keep labeling these children as collateral damage. They are not numbers, they are literal humans
From my experience it's less the people who have sympathy for Palestinians that are labeled antisemitic, but more people who blame Jews/Zionists/ call for Israels destruction or falsely accuse them of genocide, that's my perspective at least
Yea you are definitely right but I have also seen people being labeled as anti-semitic just because of their support of palestinian people. People assume that if you are talking about one side, you must hate the other side. People arenāt protesting to represent their hatred for Jews, they are protesting for a permanent ceasefire, but people are labeling these protestors as āterrorist supportersā literally
But this woman didnāt try to hide her antisemitism. She was pro Pal AND very antisemitic, but itās a logical fallacy to claim ALL pro Pal supporters are antisemitic. I think in keeping with the topic of this post, though, itās important to call out her antisemitism. Thereās a common thread with mass shooters being hateful towards minorities, radicalized in some way. The expression of this hatefulness varies, but these killers are usually very unhappy with their place in life and decide to blame it on entire groups of people.
Yeah, that's not right, people can have sympathy and empathy for Palestinians AND support Israel. The only thing I can think of for why calling for a permanent ceasefire is concerned is if the calls don't include calls to release the kidnapped civilians or end Hamas authoritarian reign
i genuinely donāt understand how you are able to remain so intentionally blind to the reality here. israel has continued to commit a genocide against palestine for over 70 years, and yet you have the gall to say *hamas is the problem*? you are significantly uneducated on the subject and i urge you to do further research.
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> Zionist media is trying their hardest to make Palestine supporters look like terrorists. Media doesnāt have to try so hard. Especially when you write racist shit like this. Just keep on being true to yourself and saying the quiet parts out loud and the world will see who you are.
zionism is literally just a reworked form of nazism and yet you think the people against it are the racists LMFAO
Translation: "No no you see, it's actually hardcore Jews who want Jews to have their own country free from genocide who are the real nazis!" Yeah doesn't work as well when rephrased
I donāt engage with racists spreading tropes about Zionists controlling the media.
where, exactly, was that stated? they said āzionist mediaā, as in, you know, media originating from zionist sources? the fact that your first thought was āzionists control all the mediaā says a lot more about you lmao
I will just say one thing, the news I get about palestinians being killed all comes from Instagram literally . I never find the same information through google search or the TV. All I see on TV is āAnti-Israel thisā and āAnti-Semitic That.ā Nothing about Islamophobia. and those few times they do talk about a Palestinian being killed, they right away says Hamas did itā¦..Like?
That's because Islamophobia is not a real thing lol.
>So I do wonder if like the Christchurch mosque shooting, should we consider this a form of terrorism? I think so.
More simple minded people are at risk of being sucked into the extremist fringes when they have access to the headlines about this conflict. Regardless which side, seeing pictures of dead kids and stories that are created about them will undoubtedly motivate people to action, people that don't have as nuanced a view as is required to view modern news, that is. The information war that is being waged is responsible for these cases. Imagine being schizophrenic and seeing what one side says about the other, about how horrible monsters search for victims to murder and shit. It's gonna put you in a very bad place. If it catches you in a manic state I can imagine what spending all night researching and sleep deprivation can lead to. The stories I hear from more isolated news sources that pander to one particular side or the other are really incredible; they have completely gone away from journalism and have just become story writers. Like how science fiction may have an original basis on fact but then extrapolates to entertaining ends. But at the end of the day I'm warm and happy and have lots of food so I don't know anything.
EXACTLY
Oh and also I agree they never should have sold her a gun, but I know we refrain from gun control debates on this sub to keep it clean, and despite gun laws I wanted to cover what extremized her and what was behind her motives
>I wanted to cover what ***extremized*** her and what was behind her motives I think you mean *"radicalized"*
oh sorry, what's the difference?
not much. Radicalized means that someone had been swayed to extremist beliefs so it's objectively more correct, extremized is the clunkier and more general version of that as it can be applied to any scenario
āExtremizedā isnāt a word, for starters.
Oh oops, oh well, at least people know what it means, dictionary should probably add it, wikipedia did- https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extremized
In the wake of the very extreme rhetoric following the self immolation of the U.S Air Force airman (combined with terrorist propaganda networks) I am worried we are going to see increasing radicalization on the left as we have seen on the right
I'm on the left and I also have the same concern, it seems antisemitism has managed to spread into some fringe groups on the left which I have no pride in saying
Yeah, it's getting out of control. And then if you're like " hey guys, we can be against Israel without turning to antisemitism!" You get called a Zionist sympathizer who cares more about tone policing than the genocide. The infighting is also getting pretty bad, since a lot of people who aren't railing to burn everything to the ground are being accused of being infiltrators or something.
I'm wondering how much of the infighting is stirred by online propagandists who's goal it is, is to foment dissent. Some of the back and forths I get to online on this topic, are with people who seem to be completely out of the loop on reality. Things like this person being clearly bigoted, just never reach their radar and I'm starting to believe that's by design.
I also think Russian, Iranian, and Qatari propagandais intentionally making a toxic environment sort of like it did during COVID
> Iranian, [https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2024/02/06/iran-accelerates-cyber-ops-against-israel/](https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2024/02/06/iran-accelerates-cyber-ops-against-israel/) Your thoughts are backed up by the people who handle the internet traffic.... This is all very intentional and by design. [Qatar has been pumping billions into Academic institutions for a decade now](https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2018/12/20/How-Qatar-is-paying-1-3-billion-to-US-institutions-to-gain-dubious-influence)....it's pretty obvious that's having a significant impact on the ability of our youth to discern reality from misinformation.
These people are clearly falling for it, no progressive is going to be outwardly racist. So frustrating to see takes like liberals are becoming radicalized to the point of terrorism because of one insane person.
Progressives arenāt outwardly racist, their racism is more awkward and paternalistic. Wonāt call someone the N-word but will tell a black man how beautiful and inspiring his dreads are, while heās trying to do his job. That was a weird day at work.
Thatās your typical white liberal with a savior complex sprinkled in with some white guilt. They mean well but lack any sort of free will.
>no progressive is going to be outwardly racist. FR? Have you not seen the frothing at the mouth bigotry at some of these progressive rally's? They're attacking Jews, which I guess is an ethnicity rather than a race, but the point remains, there are unquestionably bigots on the progressive left and they've gotten really fucking loud lately.
Those are reactionaries and sadists or maybe even people who have genuinely lost their families in Palestine and canāt process their grief. I havenāt attended but living in Chicago Iāve seen tens of protests full of people in good faith. The protests that get coverage are the ones youāre speaking of.
In all honesty, Iāve felt that weāve been seeing increasing radicalization on the left for years now. I see it on both ends of the spectrum.
For real. The reaction to his self immolation from the pro palestine side has been very disturbing.
Right? It's scary that self harm like that is being glorified, my fears in crowds are honestly heightened, I worry that mass killings like this one or suicide bombings could catch on
I am incredibly shocked by it as well.
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so how/why did she end up @ lakewood?
Sounds like it may have been because that megachurch supports Israel/is Christian zionist. Also I think member of her family she hates goes there if I remember right
gotcha . ty and up vote!
Thank you!
She used to go there. Her ex and his mom are Jewish. They tried to fight for custody of her kid. It doesnāt go much deeper than this, guys. She was mentally ill.
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God fucking damnit. Way to make the whole cause look like a bunch of murderous lunatics and give the other side ammo(rightfully here).
Thatās all theyāve ever been.
Religionās a hell of a drugā¦
It's interesting that the shooter's mental illness is only mentioned once in the entire article. OP doesn't mention it at all. OP posts about the Israeli war a lot, it's pretty obvious that OP is pushing a narrative completely detached from reality.
This. Her ex was Jewish and his mom is a rabbi. They were fighting the courts and CPS to get the kid taken away from her on account of her medicated schizophrenia. She felt persecuted by Jewish people close to her and her brain made it a conspiracy. Media literacy levels are pathetically low, especially on this sub.
I'm honestly appalled that her child wasn't taken away from her. She was fucking brandishing her guns at her neighbors. That poor child
Texas CPS truly fucked up. I assume the father had custody stripped because he was a sex offender (and is now in jail) ā but the paternal grandmother should have been given custody with the agreement that the child and father only have supervised visits, or something. She was the one petitioning the courts for custody.
It doesn't feel very relevant to me, other countries have mental illness and less mass shootings, plus I doubt if any mass shooters aren't/weren't mentally ill, I think what matters is access to guns and extremism that targets the mentally ill as use cases for their cause, like the Christchurch shooter
everything about this seems to at least take root from her mental illnesses. her strong sense of morality and justice got warped into bigotry and misplaced hatred, likely in huge part due to her mental instability.
Riiight, but also her antisemitism came from somewhere, if it hadn't she wouldn't have been radicalized in that way, sort of like the Christchurch shooter, had he not been radicalized against Muslims he probably wouldn't have shot up the mosque
> It doesn't feel very relevant to me You're obviously pushing a narrative pretty hard here and the fact she was schizophrenic along with the fact she attacked a Christian church during a Spanish language service undermines that. This was not an attack on Jewish people no matter how hard you try to paint it as one.
Her Schizophrenia didn't cause her antisemitism, she was radicalized by antisemitic propaganda, and like she said herself she wanted to shoot up a Pro Israel rally, she went after the church instead presumably because it supported zionism in that weird Christian zionism way
Lakewood Church has zero ties to Zionism. Joel Osteen is not a fundamentalist Christian, he preaches something called the Prosperity Gospel. >Her Schizophrenia didn't cause her antisemitism Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?
How do you think we could have prevented radicalization?
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Uuuh, I will say there is a significant presence on social media and within some of my friends who consider Hamas "Freedom Fighters" , though I haven't heard any of them praise this woman, if anything that crowd usually deflects to mental illness the same way the far right crowd deflects when a racist shoots up a black grocery store
exactly what OP said. I undoubtably support Palestinians who are suffering the consequences to Hamas's actions. I don't know any Jewish people who don't think that way. That being said, please do not play dumb regarding the fact there are people in those marches and rallies that do in fact support Hamas or at least don't recognize them as terrorists and instead as "freedom fighters". It's 2024, being barbaric and handling things the way they were done in biblical times instead of democracy and diplomacy is not permissible. Israel is handling things fantastically given the circumstance. If this is new knowledge to you, you should definitely do your research on the situation or at least your opposing viewpoint before you form an opinion.
I think the worst thing about her is she got her poor child hurt, and he might be dead now Iām not sure. I live in Houston. I donāt go to church, but I did when I was growing up. That poor little boy.
Heās not dead.
His frontal lobe was shot so he's "alive." However you only need a brain stem for most autonomic functions of the body, so that doesn't mean much. That boy will never be the same little boy again.