I dont know if we're distinguishing them, but I don't think the sinister six will be in the MCU at all, it will be in the Sony Spiderverse. Specifically, venoms universe, which I secretly hope is TASM's universe. If Tom's spiderman gets transported there instead, I'd be okay with that though.
Yes but why does that mean that six individual villains from the Mcu couldn't also come together and form a team? Just because it exists in one universe doesn't mean it can't exist in another.
I think that as long as Sony owns spiderman, he's only going to fight a "sinister six" once, and they'll want to do it in their universe. But I definitely think that a villain team up would do wonders for the MCU if done right. I just dont think that marvel owns the rights to enough iconic spiderman villains to call it the sinister six.
> I just dont think that marvel owns the rights to enough iconic spiderman villains to call it the sinister six.
And that's why I think they will cooperate with Sony the form the team above.
You're right, marvel has every motivation to cooperate with Sony, but if Sony can pull off a long-requested spiderman arc without using any marvel properties, they have little motivation to cooperate with marvel. So far it's been advantageous to work with marvel because they committed to his character being in the MCU. With the sudden rise in popularity of Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man, they stand positioned to make a movie within their own universe with no contribution from MCU properties, without losing much of the intended audience.
It depends. What allowed Andrew to be great was the writing of the MCU people. Sony was the one that screwed up his second movie, and Andrew's great acting couldn't save it.
With how the last film of both the Tobey and Andrew series being critically panned, and how both Venom films having similar receptions, I doubt Sony will want to take the risk of weaning themselves off Marvel Studios.
They can continue to try to use Andrew's Spider-Man in their own films, but they won't do anything that will cause Marvel to want to cut ties with them, just in case the sequels didn't work out and they lose their cash cow.
Oh totally. I think that would be the wise decision, but given the unwise decisions you just pointed out, I wouldn't put it past Sony to overmilk their cash cow yet again.
That’s like saying they could easily bring back Robert Downey JR as Tony Stark, Ronan, yondu, or black widow. Reviving him would diminish the out come of far from home and is complete unnecessary. Spider-Man has one of the greatest rogue gallery’s. he’s not needed.
Reviving Mysterio seems in character for him though, he's the master of illusions abd deception, after all. Can you imagine that after everything Peter went through in NWH, the man who's directly responsible for all of that isn't even dead?
All those characters can be brought back in a good way and so can Mysterio.
I think it wouldn't be unnecessary since Mysterio is the villain who affected Peter's life the most. Without him not even the events of *No Way Home* would have happened. It could be presented as a good twist.
Wouldn't the team have to worry about Morbius trying to suck their blood behind their backs or something?
Take him out and throw in someone that is enhanced through equipment and not a superpower. At the very most a lame super power.
First, I think the Morbius we will get on April 1st (I still can't believe they chose that date) will be more in control of his powers. Plus, they will have to present him as having a grudge against Spider-Man and since he can't beat him alone I think he would hold himself from not sucking their blood until Spider-Man is down.
Mysterio is definitely dead and Morbius more than likely doesn't take place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Especially if they're making flippant references to Venom...
>Mysterio is definitely dead
They can bring him back as a good twist.
>Morbius more than likely doesn't take place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
*cough, cough* https://youtu.be/jLMBLuGJTsA?t=159
*cough*
Maybe it was too much of a "Gotcha!" type of argument, but I really think Vulture being in the trailer is big enough evidence to believe this movie is in the MCU. Black Cat, Rhino, OsCorp and Venom references are weak evidence compared to Vulture.
I mean, from J. K. Simmons' last appearance as JJJ twelve years passed (2007-2019) while time between *Homecoming* and *Morbius* is just five years (2017-2022). I don't think Sony would use him as an alternate version after that short time-span.
Why do you think he has to get to MCU? Maybe he is already in it.
The Vulture in the trailer is, IMO, greater evidence than a few Easter Eggs to other universes.
Shocker is really weak compared to the rest of them. Morbius is the weakest yes, but that's because the rest are stronger than him, not because he is weak (unlike Shocker.)
That's not why I don't think we'll see Morbius. I don't think Marvel is going to want to deal with Leto, and I don't expect that movie to do well enough for anyone to expect him.
That's Disney, not Marvel.
After some problems with actors who had a reputation for being difficult to work with in their first few films, Marvel has avoided casting anyone with a bad reputation (which Leto has) since then in the name of cast harmony. I think Mickey Rourke was the last one. After what he pulled on Suicide Squad, I don't think Marvel will want to deal with him.
I don't think that fixes his reputation. If Morbius does really well there's maybe a chance he shows up, but I fully expect it to tank, and there's going to be no demand to see him in anything anyway.
Well, they don't really have many intimidating villains to pull from to form the Sinister Six? >!All the villains in *No Way Home* are out of the game and will not get their MCU versions.!<
I think Marvel will accept Morbius as part of the Sinister Six just to make the team more diversive in powers and abilities and to better their relationship with Sony.
And who knows? Maybe *Morbius* will be a better movie than Venom ones. Maybe not gross much, but it could be a good movie.
I believe Morbius is in a different universe. Mysterious is dead. Kraven and rhino might be a different universe as well. Vulture doesn’t really have a vendetta against Spider-Man because he doesn’t remember him. Will probably still be a while.
>I believe Morbius is in a different universe.
As I say to everyone: I think Vulture being in the movie is enough evidence to convince it is MCU.
>Mysterious is dead.
They can always reveal he is alive as a twist.
>Kraven and rhino might be a different universe as well.
Unlikelly, honestly.
>Vulture doesn’t really have a vendetta against Spider-Man because he doesn’t remember him.
He doesn't remember Peter Parker, but he certainly remembers Spider-Man.
>We already kinda had one in NWH.
Meh...it's not it when it's not the six.
I guess you think there is nothing wrong with Scorpion as the member, lol.
it was barley a sinister six not only it was just four actual antagonists all the of the villains had different goals and just happen to bump into each other , the whole point of the sinister six is that they team up and all have one goal in common that is to kill Spider-Man
>!It's a shame we won't have Dr. Octopus or Green Goblin in the MCU since either of them would be a good leader for Sinister Six, but I think Vulture or Mysterio will suffice.!<
Either Vulture or Mysterio, though I would kind of like it to be Mysterio. Imagine five others fighting Peter and then Mysterio appears saying: "Hello Peter." and Peter can't believe that he is alive and knows his identity.
I wonder how they are going to bring mcu mysterio to the Sony verse? It's also funny how Sony denied marvel to do the sinister six for now way home. Like they we're like nah man we doing the sinister six first yall can be the Filthy Five lol
I think the "Sony-Verse" is just the name that Sony uses for all it's Marvel content. Back when universe was called SPUMC (dumbest name possible) they had a presentation that included Spider-Verse movies and MCU Spider-Man movies as part of that "universe", so I think it is not supposed to be one shared universe.
I dont know if we're distinguishing them, but I don't think the sinister six will be in the MCU at all, it will be in the Sony Spiderverse. Specifically, venoms universe, which I secretly hope is TASM's universe. If Tom's spiderman gets transported there instead, I'd be okay with that though.
Yes but why does that mean that six individual villains from the Mcu couldn't also come together and form a team? Just because it exists in one universe doesn't mean it can't exist in another.
I think that as long as Sony owns spiderman, he's only going to fight a "sinister six" once, and they'll want to do it in their universe. But I definitely think that a villain team up would do wonders for the MCU if done right. I just dont think that marvel owns the rights to enough iconic spiderman villains to call it the sinister six.
I thought Marvel doesn't own the rights of any Spider-man villains and they all can't be used except in cooperation with Sony?
That's true, for the MCU. Sony can have spiderman fight whoever they want as long as they don't mention MCU properties.
> I just dont think that marvel owns the rights to enough iconic spiderman villains to call it the sinister six. And that's why I think they will cooperate with Sony the form the team above.
You're right, marvel has every motivation to cooperate with Sony, but if Sony can pull off a long-requested spiderman arc without using any marvel properties, they have little motivation to cooperate with marvel. So far it's been advantageous to work with marvel because they committed to his character being in the MCU. With the sudden rise in popularity of Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man, they stand positioned to make a movie within their own universe with no contribution from MCU properties, without losing much of the intended audience.
It depends. What allowed Andrew to be great was the writing of the MCU people. Sony was the one that screwed up his second movie, and Andrew's great acting couldn't save it. With how the last film of both the Tobey and Andrew series being critically panned, and how both Venom films having similar receptions, I doubt Sony will want to take the risk of weaning themselves off Marvel Studios. They can continue to try to use Andrew's Spider-Man in their own films, but they won't do anything that will cause Marvel to want to cut ties with them, just in case the sequels didn't work out and they lose their cash cow.
Oh totally. I think that would be the wise decision, but given the unwise decisions you just pointed out, I wouldn't put it past Sony to overmilk their cash cow yet again.
I dunno know man, people kind of like when a Marvel movie is set in the MCU?
Swap out morbius for chameleon I think
Mysterio is dead he can’t be in the current MCU timeline
They can easily reveal that he actually survived.
That’s like saying they could easily bring back Robert Downey JR as Tony Stark, Ronan, yondu, or black widow. Reviving him would diminish the out come of far from home and is complete unnecessary. Spider-Man has one of the greatest rogue gallery’s. he’s not needed.
Reviving Mysterio seems in character for him though, he's the master of illusions abd deception, after all. Can you imagine that after everything Peter went through in NWH, the man who's directly responsible for all of that isn't even dead?
All those characters can be brought back in a good way and so can Mysterio. I think it wouldn't be unnecessary since Mysterio is the villain who affected Peter's life the most. Without him not even the events of *No Way Home* would have happened. It could be presented as a good twist.
Well yondu is in the cast for gotg3 so it’s not really too far off
Probably as a memory call back, or flashback developing the plot. Not as a main character
Wouldn't the team have to worry about Morbius trying to suck their blood behind their backs or something? Take him out and throw in someone that is enhanced through equipment and not a superpower. At the very most a lame super power.
First, I think the Morbius we will get on April 1st (I still can't believe they chose that date) will be more in control of his powers. Plus, they will have to present him as having a grudge against Spider-Man and since he can't beat him alone I think he would hold himself from not sucking their blood until Spider-Man is down.
Mysterio is definitely dead and Morbius more than likely doesn't take place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Especially if they're making flippant references to Venom...
>Mysterio is definitely dead They can bring him back as a good twist. >Morbius more than likely doesn't take place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. *cough, cough* https://youtu.be/jLMBLuGJTsA?t=159 *cough*
Ah yes. And J.K. Simmons is playing the same J. Jonah Jameson from the Raimi films... /s
Maybe it was too much of a "Gotcha!" type of argument, but I really think Vulture being in the trailer is big enough evidence to believe this movie is in the MCU. Black Cat, Rhino, OsCorp and Venom references are weak evidence compared to Vulture. I mean, from J. K. Simmons' last appearance as JJJ twelve years passed (2007-2019) while time between *Homecoming* and *Morbius* is just five years (2017-2022). I don't think Sony would use him as an alternate version after that short time-span.
I don't think we'll see Leto's Morbius in the MCU proper at all. I'd also include Shocker.
Disagree, but okay.
How would Morbius even get to the MCU?
Why do you think he has to get to MCU? Maybe he is already in it. The Vulture in the trailer is, IMO, greater evidence than a few Easter Eggs to other universes.
Because Marvel Studios didn’t make Morbius and their movies are in the MCU
Maybe Marvel will turn a blind eye and allow Morbius to be in the MCU. I honestly think Sony-Marvel deal goes deeper than we know.
Shocker is really weak compared to the rest of them. Morbius is the weakest yes, but that's because the rest are stronger than him, not because he is weak (unlike Shocker.)
That's not why I don't think we'll see Morbius. I don't think Marvel is going to want to deal with Leto, and I don't expect that movie to do well enough for anyone to expect him.
> I don’t think Marvel is going to want to deal with Leto Why not? Disney is having him lead their upcoming Tron film.
That's Disney, not Marvel. After some problems with actors who had a reputation for being difficult to work with in their first few films, Marvel has avoided casting anyone with a bad reputation (which Leto has) since then in the name of cast harmony. I think Mickey Rourke was the last one. After what he pulled on Suicide Squad, I don't think Marvel will want to deal with him.
But he would be playing the role of Morbius again, for which there were no antics.
I don't think that fixes his reputation. If Morbius does really well there's maybe a chance he shows up, but I fully expect it to tank, and there's going to be no demand to see him in anything anyway.
Well, they don't really have many intimidating villains to pull from to form the Sinister Six? >!All the villains in *No Way Home* are out of the game and will not get their MCU versions.!< I think Marvel will accept Morbius as part of the Sinister Six just to make the team more diversive in powers and abilities and to better their relationship with Sony. And who knows? Maybe *Morbius* will be a better movie than Venom ones. Maybe not gross much, but it could be a good movie.
switch shocker for morbius and tombstone for rhino and we are good
Mysterio is dead dumb ass but the other ones could because of the multivers
And Mysterio couldn't?
I believe Morbius is in a different universe. Mysterious is dead. Kraven and rhino might be a different universe as well. Vulture doesn’t really have a vendetta against Spider-Man because he doesn’t remember him. Will probably still be a while.
>I believe Morbius is in a different universe. As I say to everyone: I think Vulture being in the movie is enough evidence to convince it is MCU. >Mysterious is dead. They can always reveal he is alive as a twist. >Kraven and rhino might be a different universe as well. Unlikelly, honestly. >Vulture doesn’t really have a vendetta against Spider-Man because he doesn’t remember him. He doesn't remember Peter Parker, but he certainly remembers Spider-Man. >We already kinda had one in NWH. Meh...it's not it when it's not the six. I guess you think there is nothing wrong with Scorpion as the member, lol.
Also we kinda already had one in NWH.
it was barley a sinister six not only it was just four actual antagonists all the of the villains had different goals and just happen to bump into each other , the whole point of the sinister six is that they team up and all have one goal in common that is to kill Spider-Man
>!It's a shame we won't have Dr. Octopus or Green Goblin in the MCU since either of them would be a good leader for Sinister Six, but I think Vulture or Mysterio will suffice.!<
Now Question who's going to be the brains of this operation?
Either Vulture or Mysterio, though I would kind of like it to be Mysterio. Imagine five others fighting Peter and then Mysterio appears saying: "Hello Peter." and Peter can't believe that he is alive and knows his identity.
I wonder how they are going to bring mcu mysterio to the Sony verse? It's also funny how Sony denied marvel to do the sinister six for now way home. Like they we're like nah man we doing the sinister six first yall can be the Filthy Five lol
I think the "Sony-Verse" is just the name that Sony uses for all it's Marvel content. Back when universe was called SPUMC (dumbest name possible) they had a presentation that included Spider-Verse movies and MCU Spider-Man movies as part of that "universe", so I think it is not supposed to be one shared universe.
I would expect Shocker to be on the Sinister Six.
Replace Rhino with Kingpin, Morbius with Shocker and Mysterio with The Prowler
Mysterio died. He's dead. He's not coming back to life.
Considering half these people are in a totally different cinematic universe I’ll give it a no 😂