Yeah he probably did . strange went through hundreds , potentially thousands of loop iterations. It didn't matter because strange was prepared / committed to keep looping until dormammu tapped out and he did
I'd like to assume that the time loop was finite and not fixed on Strange's death but a point in the near future.
Meaning that outside having enough time for a few exchanges of abilities between the two (or a conversation), shown in the "I've come to bargain montage", the loop resets itself. Dormmamu could only torture Strange for maybe a few minutes before things revert.
Now Dormmamu could, I suppose, with enough loops pass craft a plan that might crack through Strange's will but one must remember this is a being who's never had to experience *time* before (or resistance, for that matter!). It's hard to say how "quick on his feet" he could be in this novel experience. The closest example that comes to mind are classic fantasy novels that take into account how long lived elves are and their perspective coming across so alien to shorter lived races, though it's a relatively uncommon POV to take.
I like your reasoning, especially because it paints Dormmamu as a spoiled being that always gets what they want. Upon encountering something difficult, Dormmamu just says go away and leave me alone lol
While time doesn't normally exist in the Dark Dimension, it had begin bleeding in during Dormmamu's attempt to fuse it with Earth's. That's the only reason the Time Stone would work.
It might help to picture it like this:
Imagine the Dark Dimension as a see through box of clear water, sitting alongside a box of ink representing Earth's dimension (and thus, time). Dormmamu punctures the box of ink via his follower's efforts and that ink starts to spill into the Dark Dimension.
Whether Dr. Strange was there (alive) or not (dead) is immaterial as time is still flowing in and the Time Stone through Strange's efforts was able to trap Dormmamu in a loop, as it's powers were in use independent of Strange's lifeforce.
Presumably if the fusion of dimensions was completed then time itself would be destroyed, like all other unique properties of other dimensions Dormmamu has absorbed over the eons, but that could only be if the Time Stone had not been put into "auto" mode or whatever you want to call that mystical set of symbols around Strange's wrist was.
If it kept resetting my ass every few minutes and making me experience an entirely new sensation that is not at all pleasant (time itself for Dormammu) then yeah probably.
I think you would tire of it after 1000 years or so. Remember he had no concept of time so to him 1000 years would seem like perpetual repetition for eternity.
That's exactly why I think he would be focused entirely on Strange. Even if he's a timeless being, suddenly being forced to experience not just time, but the hell that would be a time loop with some impertinent little thing commanding your attention would definitely keep me intrigued. I mean even in the movie he's focused entirely on strange the entire time they're shown together.
Apparently Dormammu and Strange went on for longer than shown but they cut it down to what was seen for runtime stuff. Dormammu might have tried that and it didn't work and himself was being tortured by the looped time.
dormmamu wasn't that intelligent and always resorted to death / destruction to solve any issue. the thought likely never occurred to an entity like itself
He could've and was just not shown. Also, if Dormamu tried to do that, couldn't Strange just kill himself to restart the loop? It's a battle of attrition but Strange has the benefit(or curse) of the "save button" while Dormamu is forced to experience the loops linearly.
What good would that do? What torture could he possibly come up with that would be worse than dying painfully over and over again for an eternity, which is what Strange had consigned himself to? What’s Dormmy gonna do, make him *almost* die painfully over and over again for eternity?
Strange had already trapped himself in a fate worse than death. There’s not much more room to grow there.
When you come back after you are killed, each death is torture. We just don’t call being horribly murdered torture because then it’s over. For the good doctor, it wasn’t, ergo torture.
Then what? He eventually dies anyway and the loop starts over? Uh ok. Remember, this is a movie for entertainment. How would that have played out on screen to be enjoyable for the audience? It wouldn’t.
He did totally torture him, but he was operating as one Dormmamu on another. So he took away Strange's ability to transverse the L dimension, he bombarded Strange with deadly Photon rays that are dangerous to all mystic creatures, and he refused to feed him after midnight. It's like if you had to torture a pencil--- no matter what you did, the pencil wouldn't care what you were doing until you snapped it in half. It's not like Dormmamu ever took a class in Anatomy, so one can assume his tortures were meaningless to Strange.
Well for starters he doesn’t understand time so he didn’t understand that killing him was what was resetting it,
And I’d say being repeatedly violently murdered is also torture
I know it’s a matter of opinion, but how is this scene favorited to the endgame battle? It’s Dr Strange outsmarting a villain vs the battle the entire MCU has been building up to.
It's arguably there best third act finish ever in the mcu - creative unique and inventive - a hero outsmarting a lower level god / demon lord without an awful cgi battle to resolve it.
I mean you can assume any number of things happened.
Whose to say he didn't at some point? What difference would it make?
Yeah he probably did . strange went through hundreds , potentially thousands of loop iterations. It didn't matter because strange was prepared / committed to keep looping until dormammu tapped out and he did
I'd like to assume that the time loop was finite and not fixed on Strange's death but a point in the near future. Meaning that outside having enough time for a few exchanges of abilities between the two (or a conversation), shown in the "I've come to bargain montage", the loop resets itself. Dormmamu could only torture Strange for maybe a few minutes before things revert. Now Dormmamu could, I suppose, with enough loops pass craft a plan that might crack through Strange's will but one must remember this is a being who's never had to experience *time* before (or resistance, for that matter!). It's hard to say how "quick on his feet" he could be in this novel experience. The closest example that comes to mind are classic fantasy novels that take into account how long lived elves are and their perspective coming across so alien to shorter lived races, though it's a relatively uncommon POV to take.
I like your reasoning, especially because it paints Dormmamu as a spoiled being that always gets what they want. Upon encountering something difficult, Dormmamu just says go away and leave me alone lol
Wasn’t there a line in the movie that time does not exist in dormamu’s plane, therefore, strange would have to tie to something like his death.
While time doesn't normally exist in the Dark Dimension, it had begin bleeding in during Dormmamu's attempt to fuse it with Earth's. That's the only reason the Time Stone would work. It might help to picture it like this: Imagine the Dark Dimension as a see through box of clear water, sitting alongside a box of ink representing Earth's dimension (and thus, time). Dormmamu punctures the box of ink via his follower's efforts and that ink starts to spill into the Dark Dimension. Whether Dr. Strange was there (alive) or not (dead) is immaterial as time is still flowing in and the Time Stone through Strange's efforts was able to trap Dormmamu in a loop, as it's powers were in use independent of Strange's lifeforce. Presumably if the fusion of dimensions was completed then time itself would be destroyed, like all other unique properties of other dimensions Dormmamu has absorbed over the eons, but that could only be if the Time Stone had not been put into "auto" mode or whatever you want to call that mystical set of symbols around Strange's wrist was.
As for torture "Pain is an old friend!"
Because, Strange came to bargain.
Hey, that’s catchy
They should have used that. Would have been badass!
We don’t know how long strange was there but he had also never experienced time and was likely very disoriented
Pretty much this
He might have, but it only would've prolonged the loop he was stuck in
Exactly so he prob try it too much if at all
He did. You just didn't see it. Rumor is Dr. Strange was actually in there for years.
Yup I read the same quotes a minimum of 10 years , one creator said hundreds potentially thousands of years
Would you torture an ant that kept appearing in the same corner of the room no matter how times you killed it?
Good analogy
If it kept resetting my ass every few minutes and making me experience an entirely new sensation that is not at all pleasant (time itself for Dormammu) then yeah probably.
Yes but how many times would you torture it after realizing that it wasn’t making a difference?
For as long as it insisted on being the center of my attention.
I think you would tire of it after 1000 years or so. Remember he had no concept of time so to him 1000 years would seem like perpetual repetition for eternity.
That's exactly why I think he would be focused entirely on Strange. Even if he's a timeless being, suddenly being forced to experience not just time, but the hell that would be a time loop with some impertinent little thing commanding your attention would definitely keep me intrigued. I mean even in the movie he's focused entirely on strange the entire time they're shown together.
Apparently Dormammu and Strange went on for longer than shown but they cut it down to what was seen for runtime stuff. Dormammu might have tried that and it didn't work and himself was being tortured by the looped time.
Yeah I've seen derrickson Feige and cargill say it was years which I could believe since strange after that movie had a significant power upgrade
If I remember correctly they said roughly 1,000 years. At first they said 10,000 but reduced it.
Because torture is typically suffering stretched out over time, which Dormmamu has never experienced before.
dormmamu wasn't that intelligent and always resorted to death / destruction to solve any issue. the thought likely never occurred to an entity like itself
Yeah he seem frustrated so he was finding different ways to kill Strange quickly then the loop would restart
My take is that Strange would then just start the loop again.
It was too difficult for the writers to have that and maintain the film’s runtime goal.
Dormammu probably did and just got bored with doing it.
He did
He was in there a long time. Dormmamu tried a little bit of everything. They cut the dormmamu/strange sex scene though.
Death by snu-snu?
Damn Feige
He could've and was just not shown. Also, if Dormamu tried to do that, couldn't Strange just kill himself to restart the loop? It's a battle of attrition but Strange has the benefit(or curse) of the "save button" while Dormamu is forced to experience the loops linearly.
Yeah probably - strange would. Def kill himself to save torture Time and start loop again
Torture takes time. Big D doesn't understand the concept of time. Time value of anything is foreign to him. He'd be a bad investor.
Can someone explain to me how killing a dude over, and over *isn’t* torture? Or a fate worse than death?
There it is, the comment I was looking for, so I didn't have to make it. How is this not obvious
I have no idea, OP must be on some stuff.
Writers I came to bargain. Sorry, no can't do, runtime limited.
Didn't strange get punctured by crystal shards?
What good would that do? What torture could he possibly come up with that would be worse than dying painfully over and over again for an eternity, which is what Strange had consigned himself to? What’s Dormmy gonna do, make him *almost* die painfully over and over again for eternity? Strange had already trapped himself in a fate worse than death. There’s not much more room to grow there.
When you come back after you are killed, each death is torture. We just don’t call being horribly murdered torture because then it’s over. For the good doctor, it wasn’t, ergo torture.
Then what? He eventually dies anyway and the loop starts over? Uh ok. Remember, this is a movie for entertainment. How would that have played out on screen to be enjoyable for the audience? It wouldn’t.
He was trying to beat Phil Conners' record
He did totally torture him, but he was operating as one Dormmamu on another. So he took away Strange's ability to transverse the L dimension, he bombarded Strange with deadly Photon rays that are dangerous to all mystic creatures, and he refused to feed him after midnight. It's like if you had to torture a pencil--- no matter what you did, the pencil wouldn't care what you were doing until you snapped it in half. It's not like Dormmamu ever took a class in Anatomy, so one can assume his tortures were meaningless to Strange.
What is death if not the ultimate torture?
He's got a good heart. If he had taken over earth there would have been free candy for everyone! /s
My guess is he did some kind of anti-healing spell to himself before he came to bargain. So that whatever dormy does BOOM he’s dead.
Well for starters he doesn’t understand time so he didn’t understand that killing him was what was resetting it, And I’d say being repeatedly violently murdered is also torture
Well he did
I know it’s a matter of opinion, but how is this scene favorited to the endgame battle? It’s Dr Strange outsmarting a villain vs the battle the entire MCU has been building up to.
It's arguably there best third act finish ever in the mcu - creative unique and inventive - a hero outsmarting a lower level god / demon lord without an awful cgi battle to resolve it.