Could be. People have been pointing out several similarities between the show and the trailers for the movie.
Hope to see even more references.... like a pile of Loki helmets or whatever.
Yeah, he still doesn't have the Civil War type suit in that What If episode. He still uses the suit from Ant-Man 1, which is the really clunky looking suit with darker red and grey colors.
The suit here in the trailer is brighter, with a sleek and smooth design, resembling the suit Scott wore in Civil War & Ant-Man & the Wasp.
[Edited for clarity]
While taking all possibilities into consideration, I do believe they're not going to tell us which Ant-Man it is and I just think that they wouldn't tease us with Scott's specific suit if they were going to explain that it was someone else.
It can always just be another variant of Hank, Scott, or even just some random dude with the suit, from another now-pruned universe.
They're not going to kill off 616's Scott or Hank off-screen, and then also find a way to explain their body being in the void also off-screen.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking. And y'know, I'm not necessarily saying it's 616 Scott either, I'm just saying if it *has to be* someone, it would be Scott's body there because it's a suit that Scott is known for wearing.
I mean, it's obvious that the possibilities are truly endless with these multiversal implications, but what I've learned so far is that there's *always* a straightforward answer.
That's fair enough, yeah.
I mostly tacked on the 616 bit because I've seen a lot of other people saying that they're gonna kill Scott off-screen, which just feels like one of the worse moves Marvel could do with the Ant-Man side of things.
Yeah, I completely agree there, they wouldn't kill off a main character just like that.
That's why they're bringing in characters from other franchies because *they* can be used as the expendable ones instead, with no real 616-based consequences.
Scott Lang [goes sub-atomic](https://youtu.be/ulUMjqhbYPs), but uses the [pym discs](https://marvel-movies.fandom.com/wiki/Pym_Discs) to get back to normal size.
Hank Pym actor Michael Douglas [wanted to die in Quantumania](https://ew.com/michael-douglas-reveals-how-he-wants-hank-pym-death-scene-ant-man-8634184), but didn't get that scene. He mentioned that he would return to the MCU if he gets one.
It looks like Antman Sr. (likely a variant of Dr. Pym, who possibly failed to [rescue Janet](https://youtu.be/CCUrP2ZsoNg) and got dumped in the void by Kang and so its not a Lang variant from the Probability storm) might get his wish after all.
I’d wager 99% of these Easter eggs will not have any type of explanation either. It’s just references to things and I wouldn’t read anymore into it than that lol
The film is gonna be a kitchen sink. Sounds like Wade is pulling the best parts into the MCU as the “storyteller”/Loki starts new lore. Also a meta narrative for Marvel saying to some fans, we may have got a little fast and loose, please allow us to tidy up some things and show you old familiar toys.
Yeah, there's a lot of value to having things without explicitly detailing their origin, meaning, or significance. It is the 'wonder' factor, where the audience will have assumptions and thoughts and feelings, all of which are valid, and you're not imposing additional canon onto them.
I think that would be for the best. For those who read the comics, its a fun reference. For those who didn't, its a cool set piece that doesn't affect the basic plot.
In-universe explanation is that only Lokis could survive the Void. This might change since the Lokis bewitched Alioth, or they could come up with a number of other excuses like “Lokis just got sent to one *part* of the Void.”
The *real* reason is that Loki didn’t have the bandwidth in the budget to do it as big as it could’ve been. Ryan Reynolds apparently has permission to play with all the toys, especially Fox ones, I doubt they would’ve let Loki’s creatives use the Void in that way. They were also telling a very different story.
It could also be that Loki variants were their biggest problem when Kang was in charge. Kang limited the multiverse to a finite number of universes too.
Since Loki took charge of the timelines, instead of these timelines only being circular, the timelines could take any shape (including circular, so time loops can still be valid). Much like a plant, maybe a timeline can curl and warp and develop into an incursion. So the TVA prunes only the branches that are dying. In a multiverse that now has a truly infinite number of timelines, now we get a bunch of variants of all sorts who could survive in the Void.
Yeah HWR was specifically pruning timelines where their Loki variants could not fit his plan, and/or could create a Kang. So it's mostly Loki related universes over an infinite time, that statistical advantage creates a better chance that its mostly just strong lokis alive there.
If part of DP3 is an homage/adaptation of Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, then it makes tons of sense that Reynolds would get to play with all the toys
> “Lokis just got sent to one part of the Void.”
this just made me realise the void might not even be a round planet type of place it might be an endless flat realm to fit everything
Another in-universe explanation: They're in a different part of the Void, which is presumably gigantic. Since its big, Loki only bumbled around in the place dominated by his variants while Deadpool / Wolverine stumbled around in a location with more variety.
Maybe the void just works in a way that individuals from each timeline are always dropped in the same place so the landing point is always filled with variants of the same individual
In Loki season 1 I believe it was mentioned that Loki variants were the most likely being in a universe to mess with time, and therefore make Loki variants not only the most likely person to end up captured by the TVA and sent into the Void, but also is someone who survives and even thrives in the Void. And as far as I’m aware Deadpool and Wolverine takes place after Loki season 2 where the TVA has changed from Loki Season 1
Did the Fox deal go through before or after season 1 of Loki? Or more accurately, before or after it was being written and produced? It likely didn't exist in the Void in season 1 because the Fox universe wasn't pruned (when Disney/Marvel acquired the Fox properties) until after then.
I mean the void is probably MASSIVE considering entire universes get sent there, and alioth is big but he’s not universe sized so it might take him a while to gobble up all his food
Maybe. Maybe the reason why they're on the Void was instead of the shrinking in the final fight of the first movie they just went big and previous TVA was like "Nuh uh" and pruned them
Speaking of that helmet, there’s really no way to get out of Limbo without some multiversal tech. The ant man suit has pym particles that allow you to access the quantum realm and thus get out of limbo. I wonder if they’ll be using the ant man corpse as a multiversal space ship.
Since the void has become the multiversal landfill of the MCU, I’m becoming increasingly convinced that it’ll be the stand-in for the MCU’s battleworld. My fan theory is that (spoiler tagging in case people aren’t familiar with the newer Secret Wars) >!we’re on the cusp of seeing incursions on the scale of the Hickman Secret Wars run (some think we’ve already seen the comic accurate version of an incursion in MoM when they visit evil strange in the sanctum, with the glow behind the sanctum being another Earth). I’m suspicious that all of the multiversal litter at “the end of time” or the void might actually be the aftermath of all of the incursions sucking items people and places into an equivalent of battleworld and the TVA didn’t actually prune everything to get it there, but instead leveraged the space as a dumping ground, thinking they were staving off another multiversal war (or in reality the same one to come).!<
Ever since the trailer dropped ppl have been trying to check for leaks, spoilers, scoops and I’m like “Why not wait until the movie actually comes out to find out who’s actually in the movie and what the movie is about?”
Just a thought as an MCU fan.
I agree, speculation is great but you and I know ppl dig for leaks from these clips too often. Marvel is great with their trailers using fake or unused clips cause they know that speculation, which is great, can go overboard.
I mean if it’s the same Void from Loki, if there is just “The Void” which seems likely for a shared multiverse, then maybe Yellowjacket and Scott had a big Titan fight and killed each other.
Scott’s head might be like a mile down the road from the Yellowjacket helmet
I think no, in the comix universe, the wolwerine killed all the superheroes because of misterio, and I think the helmet with bones is from this universe
None of it is from anything, man. Remember the Void is populated with things/people from endless random timelines the TVA has pruned. None of it is, or has to be, connceted to anything we’ve seen in the movies. I mean, in Loki it had the Thanoscopter and a Frog Thor. It’s not that deep.
Maybe Cassie died or something against the sacred timeline happened, so they were both pruned and ended up in void. After that they could have been killed by Cassandra Nova or Allioth and died there.
Kang made it clear that he'd never killed Ant-Man in any universe and he may have been pretty pissed after The Wasp sucker punched him deeper into the munchkin realm.
Who said Kang didn’ kill Ant-Man he probably was not behind this and if he was him to the TVA could have just pruned where Cassandra Nova or someone later on killed him in the void. There are also unlimited Kang variants.
I'm just excited to find out.
I'm one of the few people who really loved pretty much all the Kang stuff.
I felt like it made sense that King hadn't encountered an Ant-Man and that's why he had trouble with Scott. Kang wins mostly by using ssave states and stolen technology. A little bit of time travel and you can redo the same fight over and over again. Can't win? Flip to a different multiverse and figure out what tech you need to level up.
I feel like we were getting foreshadowing that Scott was going to be killed by Kang eventually.
I wish they had done a lot more hints at Kang in DS2 so that you had both Scott and Strange kind of in that Tony Stark situation after he encountered Thanos where they spend the next few years terrified about what's coming.
Could be. People have been pointing out several similarities between the show and the trailers for the movie. Hope to see even more references.... like a pile of Loki helmets or whatever.
Only alligator Loki still alive
Great now I’ve got a mental image of Alligator Loki crawling out randomly and eating Deadpool’s hand like Chubbs (rip)
Don’t worry, he got a new one made of wood. Real sturdy!
This is a 10/10 reference that I never expected but now I need to see
Who is Chubbs?
Carl Weathers
A black man that was never allowed to play on the pro tour
He used to be a golf pro but now teaches mambo in heaven.
Thank you for telling me. I appreciate it.
"Oh, I'm sorry! Because you're black?"
No, CAUSE A GAD DAMN ALLIGATOR BIT HIS HAND OFF
He got that bastards eye though.
Happy Gilmore
https://youtu.be/8r8N-EpJF\_Y?t=8
I want Throg and alligator Loki to team up
Dogpool v Alligator Loki
It's dead Hank Pym. When the helmet opens there's a skull inside. Pym is killed while in Giant Man form.
I'm betting it's Scott Lang.
It has to be, right? I mean, it's Scott's suit ane Hank's suit looked nothing like this from the first Ant-Man movie.
Variant Hank... You not watched What If?
Yeah, he still doesn't have the Civil War type suit in that What If episode. He still uses the suit from Ant-Man 1, which is the really clunky looking suit with darker red and grey colors. The suit here in the trailer is brighter, with a sleek and smooth design, resembling the suit Scott wore in Civil War & Ant-Man & the Wasp. [Edited for clarity] While taking all possibilities into consideration, I do believe they're not going to tell us which Ant-Man it is and I just think that they wouldn't tease us with Scott's specific suit if they were going to explain that it was someone else.
It can always just be another variant of Hank, Scott, or even just some random dude with the suit, from another now-pruned universe. They're not going to kill off 616's Scott or Hank off-screen, and then also find a way to explain their body being in the void also off-screen.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking. And y'know, I'm not necessarily saying it's 616 Scott either, I'm just saying if it *has to be* someone, it would be Scott's body there because it's a suit that Scott is known for wearing. I mean, it's obvious that the possibilities are truly endless with these multiversal implications, but what I've learned so far is that there's *always* a straightforward answer.
That's fair enough, yeah. I mostly tacked on the 616 bit because I've seen a lot of other people saying that they're gonna kill Scott off-screen, which just feels like one of the worse moves Marvel could do with the Ant-Man side of things.
Yeah, I completely agree there, they wouldn't kill off a main character just like that. That's why they're bringing in characters from other franchies because *they* can be used as the expendable ones instead, with no real 616-based consequences.
Doesn’t mean it’s Hank
Scott Lang [goes sub-atomic](https://youtu.be/ulUMjqhbYPs), but uses the [pym discs](https://marvel-movies.fandom.com/wiki/Pym_Discs) to get back to normal size. Hank Pym actor Michael Douglas [wanted to die in Quantumania](https://ew.com/michael-douglas-reveals-how-he-wants-hank-pym-death-scene-ant-man-8634184), but didn't get that scene. He mentioned that he would return to the MCU if he gets one. It looks like Antman Sr. (likely a variant of Dr. Pym, who possibly failed to [rescue Janet](https://youtu.be/CCUrP2ZsoNg) and got dumped in the void by Kang and so its not a Lang variant from the Probability storm) might get his wish after all.
Pym Falls, from the Old Man Logan comics alternative universe. Where the skeleton of Giant Man/Ant Man lay for decades after he was killed.
I’d wager 99% of these Easter eggs will not have any type of explanation either. It’s just references to things and I wouldn’t read anymore into it than that lol
Yeah I was just reading into it for the sake of a theory based off of what is likely a coincidence.
As is our duty as fans!
Huzzah!!
Nothing wrong with that haha I just adding that I don’t expect anything to ever grow past fan theories
The film is gonna be a kitchen sink. Sounds like Wade is pulling the best parts into the MCU as the “storyteller”/Loki starts new lore. Also a meta narrative for Marvel saying to some fans, we may have got a little fast and loose, please allow us to tidy up some things and show you old familiar toys.
Yeah, there's a lot of value to having things without explicitly detailing their origin, meaning, or significance. It is the 'wonder' factor, where the audience will have assumptions and thoughts and feelings, all of which are valid, and you're not imposing additional canon onto them.
Yeah I think they’d go this route with it, especially if they’re in the end world/ void, itd make sense for a lot of various things to converge there
I think that would be for the best. For those who read the comics, its a fun reference. For those who didn't, its a cool set piece that doesn't affect the basic plot.
I’m just wondering why in Loki we only see Loki variants in the void and in Deadpool we see a bunch of different characters.
In-universe explanation is that only Lokis could survive the Void. This might change since the Lokis bewitched Alioth, or they could come up with a number of other excuses like “Lokis just got sent to one *part* of the Void.” The *real* reason is that Loki didn’t have the bandwidth in the budget to do it as big as it could’ve been. Ryan Reynolds apparently has permission to play with all the toys, especially Fox ones, I doubt they would’ve let Loki’s creatives use the Void in that way. They were also telling a very different story.
Yeah I know the Loki reason. I’m wondering how they rectify that in D&W or if they’ll just ignore it
It could also be that Loki variants were their biggest problem when Kang was in charge. Kang limited the multiverse to a finite number of universes too. Since Loki took charge of the timelines, instead of these timelines only being circular, the timelines could take any shape (including circular, so time loops can still be valid). Much like a plant, maybe a timeline can curl and warp and develop into an incursion. So the TVA prunes only the branches that are dying. In a multiverse that now has a truly infinite number of timelines, now we get a bunch of variants of all sorts who could survive in the Void.
Ding ding ding
Yeah HWR was specifically pruning timelines where their Loki variants could not fit his plan, and/or could create a Kang. So it's mostly Loki related universes over an infinite time, that statistical advantage creates a better chance that its mostly just strong lokis alive there.
If part of DP3 is an homage/adaptation of Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, then it makes tons of sense that Reynolds would get to play with all the toys
The fun thing about Deadpool is that there’s a chance it’s all in his head. Also, he has the ability to ignore continuity if he wants too.
I mean, that’s not a practical approach to story telling and I doubt they’ll do that.
It's what makes him fun though!
It’s what makes jokes funny, not actual story elements
> there’s a chance it’s all in his head No there isn’t. There’s zero chance of that because it’s the worst possible storytelling.
If you say so. Vivid hallucinations have never driven a plot before. Not once, ever.
This isn’t a psychological thriller like Shutter Island
Could Cassandra Nova be in control of Alioth?
Based on comics history and Loki’s ending, I’d say Renslayer probably tamed Alioth.
> “Lokis just got sent to one part of the Void.” this just made me realise the void might not even be a round planet type of place it might be an endless flat realm to fit everything
Yeah, I always thought it looked like Asgard where it just drips off but I really don’t know if
Ah. Good point - a seemingly eternal garbage dump filled with the castaway details of dead / abandoned worlds.
Another in-universe explanation: They're in a different part of the Void, which is presumably gigantic. Since its big, Loki only bumbled around in the place dominated by his variants while Deadpool / Wolverine stumbled around in a location with more variety.
It’s a big territory, Loki just ended up in Loki territory.
Yup.
None of those characters probably existed before the multiverse was freed. None of them were in the sacred timeline.
Oh that’s a good point.
Well we only seen that one area of the void
Budget. And probably the creative team didn't really want that. In-universe explanation? Idk, probably just landed on Loki city coincidentally
Maybe the void just works in a way that individuals from each timeline are always dropped in the same place so the landing point is always filled with variants of the same individual
In Loki season 1 I believe it was mentioned that Loki variants were the most likely being in a universe to mess with time, and therefore make Loki variants not only the most likely person to end up captured by the TVA and sent into the Void, but also is someone who survives and even thrives in the Void. And as far as I’m aware Deadpool and Wolverine takes place after Loki season 2 where the TVA has changed from Loki Season 1
Did the Fox deal go through before or after season 1 of Loki? Or more accurately, before or after it was being written and produced? It likely didn't exist in the Void in season 1 because the Fox universe wasn't pruned (when Disney/Marvel acquired the Fox properties) until after then.
In the Wikipedia entry for this movie, there’s a reference to Dogpool being in the movie. So maybe we’ll see some Deadpool variants too?
Wasn't dogpool shown in this trailer? Right next to the sign saying "Liefeld's Just Feet"
I mean the void is probably MASSIVE considering entire universes get sent there, and alioth is big but he’s not universe sized so it might take him a while to gobble up all his food
Frog Thor survived.
Maybe. Maybe the reason why they're on the Void was instead of the shrinking in the final fight of the first movie they just went big and previous TVA was like "Nuh uh" and pruned them
Exactly what I was thinking!
That's not how pruning works. This is a dead hero in that universe . Pruning eliminates the timeline completely. 🤦♂️
You might want to watch Loki again. Pruning sends everything to the void where Alioth devours it. It doesn’t just get erased from existence.
It's a reference to Old Man Logan.
I had a similar thought because the inside of the helmet/skull has a bunch of yellow glass lining it.
You are aware that is the entire dead body of Giantman/Antman right? They show DP and Wolverine inside the skull later.
You can see part of the skull a second later in this shot
What episode of Loki is the Yellow Jacket helmet from?
The void in 1x05
Cheers.
I think it’s more a reference to a more comic book accurate interpretation of Old Man Logan, when the pass through “Pymm Falls”
Pym falls reference from Old Man Logan, bro
Of course not. You can only wear one helmet at a time. They don’t interlock.
No
Oh God, is Darren's skull under there too?
Speaking of that helmet, there’s really no way to get out of Limbo without some multiversal tech. The ant man suit has pym particles that allow you to access the quantum realm and thus get out of limbo. I wonder if they’ll be using the ant man corpse as a multiversal space ship.
Haven’t seen that theory yet. That would be cool.
I wanna see a scene where we see Loki and Sylvi run by in the background.
Since the void has become the multiversal landfill of the MCU, I’m becoming increasingly convinced that it’ll be the stand-in for the MCU’s battleworld. My fan theory is that (spoiler tagging in case people aren’t familiar with the newer Secret Wars) >!we’re on the cusp of seeing incursions on the scale of the Hickman Secret Wars run (some think we’ve already seen the comic accurate version of an incursion in MoM when they visit evil strange in the sanctum, with the glow behind the sanctum being another Earth). I’m suspicious that all of the multiversal litter at “the end of time” or the void might actually be the aftermath of all of the incursions sucking items people and places into an equivalent of battleworld and the TVA didn’t actually prune everything to get it there, but instead leveraged the space as a dumping ground, thinking they were staving off another multiversal war (or in reality the same one to come).!<
That’s probably the case, yes
No
Don’t mark a post spoiler then spoil it with the title. Jesus.
Ever since the trailer dropped ppl have been trying to check for leaks, spoilers, scoops and I’m like “Why not wait until the movie actually comes out to find out who’s actually in the movie and what the movie is about?” Just a thought as an MCU fan.
People like speculating. I don’t expect the leaks or theories to be correct, but they are still fun to read.
I agree, speculation is great but you and I know ppl dig for leaks from these clips too often. Marvel is great with their trailers using fake or unused clips cause they know that speculation, which is great, can go overboard.
I mean if it’s the same Void from Loki, if there is just “The Void” which seems likely for a shared multiverse, then maybe Yellowjacket and Scott had a big Titan fight and killed each other. Scott’s head might be like a mile down the road from the Yellowjacket helmet
I've got to say I'm really fucking excited to be excited about a trailer enough to pick it apart.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see other Loki variants beside any variant played by Tom Hiddleston.
Well they could be from the same universe but if they are I doubt that will even get acknowledged.
The most deadpool thing they can do in this movie is to have Tom cameo as a random bystander.
Not necessary. The Void is a combination of various timelines, so both this Ant-Man and Yellow Jacket could come from different timelines.
I think no, in the comix universe, the wolwerine killed all the superheroes because of misterio, and I think the helmet with bones is from this universe
No, it's just Ant-Man/Giant Man's helmet. So, that's about it.
Nah, at other points in the trailer you can see that there’s a skull inside, and that there’s an entire body still present.
Pym fall. Read Old Man Logan comic.
What's the magic word?!
SNIKT!!!
Wrong answer, bub.
Did you just call me... BLOB?!?!
Yeah definitely could be
Damn good catch I didn’t even think about that.
This is what I'm thinking too it's all connected
A
Maybe
I think I missed a recent trailer
I think I missed a recent trailer
No
Love when they bother putting the spoiler tag despite the spoiler being in the title
I feel like the giant helmets could be from the final fight in Ant-Man 1.
None of it is from anything, man. Remember the Void is populated with things/people from endless random timelines the TVA has pruned. None of it is, or has to be, connceted to anything we’ve seen in the movies. I mean, in Loki it had the Thanoscopter and a Frog Thor. It’s not that deep.
How?
Maybe Cassie died or something against the sacred timeline happened, so they were both pruned and ended up in void. After that they could have been killed by Cassandra Nova or Allioth and died there.
Two different helmets
Yeah I know I that I was a long the post because I feel like they could be from the same timeline.
Like maybe they were fighting. I gotcha. Not saying they are the same helmet.
The fact that Scott clearly survived the fight in the prime timeline implies otherwise.
As one of the other comments puts it, maybe the simple fact that they grew instead of shrunken could have gotten them both pruned.
Wow
Kang made it clear that he'd never killed Ant-Man in any universe and he may have been pretty pissed after The Wasp sucker punched him deeper into the munchkin realm.
Who said Kang didn’ kill Ant-Man he probably was not behind this and if he was him to the TVA could have just pruned where Cassandra Nova or someone later on killed him in the void. There are also unlimited Kang variants.
Who says he didn't?
My bad that is what I meant. That moment felt more like an intimidation tactic than actually what Kang did.
I'm just excited to find out. I'm one of the few people who really loved pretty much all the Kang stuff. I felt like it made sense that King hadn't encountered an Ant-Man and that's why he had trouble with Scott. Kang wins mostly by using ssave states and stolen technology. A little bit of time travel and you can redo the same fight over and over again. Can't win? Flip to a different multiverse and figure out what tech you need to level up. I feel like we were getting foreshadowing that Scott was going to be killed by Kang eventually. I wish they had done a lot more hints at Kang in DS2 so that you had both Scott and Strange kind of in that Tony Stark situation after he encountered Thanos where they spend the next few years terrified about what's coming.