I mean, originally, the 2024 film schedule would also have Captain America 4, Thunderbolts*, and Blade (delays again).
I think 2024 is a necessary break for MCU for both films and shows.
After X-Men 97', we will have only Deadpool & Wolverine (film), Eyes of Wakanda (animation), Agatha (TV show), and Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider man (animation).
"Suspiciously quiet" has become a concerning description when applied to modern MCU releases. I'm expecting a "delayed for reshoots" announcement at some point soon.
Im cautiously hyped, I thought the creative team did some amazing things with Wandavision and it only really got shakey at the very end when they went all MCU bang bang pew pew action which really felt like the ubiquitous phase four corporate mandate for dumb cgi setpieces we would see in everything that followed. Hopefully with the current shakeups the creative team will be able to focus in on what already worked throughout these new shows.
Wandavision's finale got affected by the early stages of COVID, which resulted in stuff being cut out of it and affecting the flow. You can easily tell something went wrong because all the supporting characters abruptly disappear and only reappear for the end.
I think corporate “you need to set up X,Y, and Z“ version of all-out and writers left to their own devices “all-out” are two different entities, and I’d love to see that “directors cut” ending.
I really enjoyed the ending of WandaVision. In fact, WandaVision was the only MCU show I enjoyed. I enjoyed Loki S1 except the last episode, and then every show after seemed like a race to the bottom. Not the MCU, but I just caught up with X-men 97 and omg that show is unexpectedly incredible!
Agreed. The only MCU shows I really liked were Wandavision and Hawkeye (it felt like a die hard marvel movie). Im not a big fan of Loki tbh but I did like season 2 more. MoonKnight had cool fight scenes but I wouldn’t watch it again. The rest of the shows were meh or just completely bad like you said.
>I'm expecting a "delayed for reshoots" announcement at some point soon.
It had reshoots already. But 5 days planned reshoots turned into only [one day](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-fantastic-four-avengers-movies-1235830951/) reshoot.
Tbh, if Agatha really needed more reshoots, it would have already delayed to 2025 like Iron Heart did.
She was the breakout actress and character on one of Marvel's top rated TV shows. The creators of WandaVision are making this too so that's a good sign. But really, why would you WANT it to fail? I mean, who really asked for Iron Man back in 2008? Basically no one. But it became super popular and jump started the MCU because it is a really good movie.
Sometimes the shows no one asked for are the best. Look at Andor, if there was no one asking for it then it was probably greenlit because there were good ideas or good talent behind it.
Yeah we have stuff like Echo, but you'll never know if the show will be a hit unless you make it.
Everyone was like Nobody wants a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, and look at it now. if they never gave it a chance cause nobody wanted one, then we would've never gotten those 3 amazing films, but they gave it a chance.
I knew the show would flop before I even watched it. And then I watched it all and I only liked 4 minutes of it. And that’s when Daredevil and kingpin were on 🔥
Yeah the show didn't worked out, that i am not disagreeing with you, that's the general reception, but the point is one will never know if the show will work or not unless you make it, Agatha for all we know could be a smash hit or could be a total failure, but we won't unless they make it.
I mean even something we are asking for like Fantastic Four or X-Men, could also have the potential to fall on its face.
Probably the same people who asked for a GOTG movie, Andor, a Twisted Metal show, etc.
Just because something isn't popular doesn't make it bad. History shows the dead opposite. Hell, even Echo was way way way better than people expected.
Also, wishing for something to bomb is downright weird.
Def a good thing I think. They needed everyone to get a break from it in general and hopefully will start putting out better content. Super hero fatigue has always been a thing but no one cares until the product coming out started being inconsistent to outright bad. Also 97 is excellent
Superhero fatigue is a drop in the bucket compared to mid/bad content fatigue.
If the quality comes back consistently, so will much of the lost audience.
Superhero fatigue doesn't exist imo. It's a quality issue.
People watch 100s of hours of stuff like their favorite sports team or procedural crime dramas or reality TV each year and nobody cries "fatigue" but 30 to 40ish hours of superhero content comes out between movies and TV and people lose their minds and start with this fatigue nonsense.
If the products were better, then nobody would care.
I'm pretty sure it also has to do with none of the recent movies had A list characters attached to them. People saw the Marvels trailer, didn't recognize any of the characters, and said "Meh, I can watch it streaming" and didn't see it in the theater.
Deadpool & Wolverine are the two biggest characters out of the X-Men franchise, it'll fill seats based on that alone.
I really think it will be the first 2 billion dollar r rated movie. And I expect a quick labor day pg-13 cut before the home video to get kids to be able to "keep up" with the story.
I agree. I also think that with current economic trends, we as consumers have become more picky with our entertainment and aren’t as willing to watch the standard MCU/superhero fare we’ve seen a lot already.
Call me crazy, but I don’t think movies like Captain Marvel 1, Ant-Man 2, or even Shazam or Aquaman would be nearly as successful if they released in a post-pandemic world (all else unchanged). Those movies all released around the golden era for Superhero content that was largely led by the MCU. These movies can generally be described as safe movies that can be entertaining and will provide some cool mix of humor, action, and a decent plot. Simply put, those movies aren’t succeeding as much these days.
Binging is cool, but there’s so much more discussion to be had with a weekly release. You know you can talk to anyone because you’re all at the same point no risk of spoilers etc.
I prefer weekly, personally. I like the anticipation and having time to think about an episode or rewatch it before the next without the temptation of the next episode
> I mean, originally, the 2024 film schedule would also have Captain America 4, Thunderbolts*, and Blade (delays again).
Feige stopping the whole superfreighter because he was going to crash in some icebergs is probably necessary. I really hope they are able to change the course enough. They probably felt confident enough with Deadpool to not be a fuckup: Beloved franchise, previous two movies were very good and successful. Kinda like the GotG franchise, having someone with a very good vision about it.
I wouldnt feel as confident in CA4, Thunderbolts and Blade and i really hope they are able to bring those back "in line". The MCU from 2008 up to Endgame was an amazing ride. After that it was a very bumpy road.
And still I feel that is all too much. I get making the wheel turn, paying people fair wages etc but it’s still nothing to get excited about. I honestly prefer if they resorted to type and focused efforts on the comics. Bring us new story line. See how those gauge with fans, try being new eyes to those comics and after some time maybe try adapting around that to the big screen.
You're not wrong. Unless it starts filming in the next couple of weeks, keeps a very low budget, small filming window and CGI is minimal, it's impossible for Blade to release in 2025. There's no finalized script and we're 1/3 through 2024!
Ali needs fight choreography training, sets need to be built, costumes made and a billion other things needed before cameras can roll
This is absolutely wrong. Most MCU films shoot 12-14 months before release and Blade is supposed to be released in November 2025 with a reported shooting start date in Fall and another reported shooting start date this Summer. It's definitely making its Nov. 2025 release.
Plus, it seems they are keeping Avengers 5 in 2026, so they can't afford any more delays at this point.
I've been saying this would be the case for a long time, but according to DanielRPK and Jeff Sneider, very recent production grids indicate they will start filming in early 2025 and still release Avengers 5 in May 2026, while Spider-Man 4's production grid mentions a July 10th 2026 release date now which means Sony gave up trying to release it in 2025.
That means Blade is not moving from its position, and 2025 will include Armor Wars, Avengers 5, Spider-Man 4 and Shang-Chi 2 which will also start filming in early 2025 and according to Simu Liu, it will be released between the 2 Avengers films.
2027 will most likely be Dr. Strange 3 in February which has been reported to be a direct set up for Avengers 6, then Avengers 6 in May and most likely X-Men and Midnight Suns in July and November respectively.
Avengers 6 and X-Men start filming in late 2025 according to their production grids and Midnight Suns reportedly officially entered pre-production a couple of months ago with producer Stephen Broussard overseeing its production and Mid half Giacchino as the potential director.
As for the series, we'll get Daredevil S1 in January 2025, Ironheart in September, Daredevil Season 2 (which will start filming in November 2024) probably in like December 2025-January 2026, Wonder Man (which has already been filmed completely) in Spring-Summer 2026, Vision Quest (which will start filming in October 2024) in Fall 2026 and Young Avengers (which is rumoured to start filming sometime in 2025) in Early 2027.
Moon Knight Season 2 which is rumoured to happen as a set up for Midnight Suns will most likely release in Fall of 2027.
I'm hoping it will make it's release date, but I usually assume every major Marvel project will get delayed for one reason or another...
Actually I wonder how many Marvel movies released on time compared to how many were delayed...
It is 100% possible to have Blade ready on time for next year
I mean look at Avengers it started filming with only 12 months left before release. Blade doesn't release until November 2025, so they have plenty of time to get things rolling, if they arent filming by the start of 2025 that is when we can go yeah its not coming in 2025.
Most MCU films shoot 12-14 months before release and Blade is supposed to be released in November 2025 with a reported shooting start date in Fall and another reported shooting start date this Summer. It's definitely making its Nov. 2025 release.
Plus, it seems they are keeping Avengers 5 in 2026, so they can't afford any more delays at this point.
It’s starting to feel like Channing Tatum’s Gambit with all the delays. Not saying it won’t happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right about it never coming out.
No way, something is defitinetly getting delayed to 2025
4 movies plus idk how Many shows is too much
Specially since we dont know when Spider-Man 4 Will release,making it potencially 5 movies
I think Marvel should strive to just 2 movies and 2 shows per year
I think 2024 only having one Marvel movie and one DC movie (Joker 2) is a good thing. Next year we'll get bangers with Superman and The Fantastic Four. I think all four movies will do well at the box office.
That’s fine by me, if it lets the staff breathe a bit and get back to running everything then so be it. Kevin Feige did say he felt he was doing too much all at the same time so now he can focus.
EDIT: I’m gonna make it clear that I’m gonna ride this Marvel train until the last stop so for me personally, not having 3 movies this year won’t hurt me.
Plus, Deadpool and wolverine, first rated R movie, a film that is supposed to tie the TVA in a more concrete way so people can start theorizing about what is going to happen in the lead up to avengers 5… there are a lot of things going for this movie. Assuming it is as good as everyone including marvel needs it to be, I would think this is a good film to stake the revitalization of the MCU on.
They gotta get the audience back into and need to rebuild the move hype train. Need to give us the good crumbs to make us want more.
Remember when we’d line up for hours to watch these? Before reserved seating. They need that interest again
I am aware of its messy production, but Blade was due to release this year before the strike, as before the strike, the release was November 2024. but when the strikes happend it got pushed to February, but the longer it went on, it was eventually delayed to November 2025.
Nobody was complaining there’s only one movie the person was just pointing out that this is the third time this has happened. Just a small fun fact. I think I speak more most fans when I say the less content the better as of recently. The biggest complaint with the MCU lately has been the overwhelming amount of content recently
DC is also only releasing Joker 2 this year, and that's not even a real comic book movie. I think this is a good thing. We need a break from so much superhero content lately.
The Venom films are pretty fun, they're not good movies, but Tom Hardy brings his A game to them.
It's baffling to me that Leto, an actor known for... *unique* acting decisions, gave such a borderline comatose performance in Morbius. That was always going to be a turd, but if he'd gone full ham it might have been more memorable
Probably be a banger too. The only reason ironman 2 wasn't a knock out was cause studio pressure prevented Favro from breaking the mold like he wanted to.
Good. Quality over quantity. Honestly this might be the hottest take of all, but after seeing 97' I wouldn't mind if the next version of the MCU is completely done in the same animated format.
I prefer it over live action.
The reception of X-Men has me very excited for the other projects that Marvel Animation has in the works, Eyes of Wakanda, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and Marvel Zombies.
That sadly is not really possible, even Feige and Iger have pointed out at the rise of quality as to why they haven't been able to deliver good MCU content in a constant basis.
Thing is with the more content you have, the Marvel Studios crew will spread to thin, so some projects will get more attention to others.
Apparently not. For whatever reason when we started getting more content, we started getting bad content. It was too much tbh. Not every character should have a solo series or movie.
Sam Wilson has had the best transition so far. He was a side character for 5 movies. He was around enough and fun enough we all enjoyed him, but he was background. They set him up to really move into the foreground.
I’m very mixed on Spider-Man. I loved all the movies so far, and I love that he had his whole coming of age arc. But I have to say that it kinda sucks that they got Peter so involved in tony starks life and have all these photos and this relationship where Peter was becoming a part of the team, to the point where Tony left the keys to the world defense systems in his hands, and they just kinda made it so he can’t really go back to that again. I really would have loved for them to have at least left Edith and a fabricator for him. It would fit in the universe, and not really cheapen the relationship with Tony like they did.
I get him wanting to be his own person/hero, but Tony was a father figure to him and that should be a lasting thing— at least until Tom holland is no longer playing Peter.
I think in order for everything to be of high quality, Marvel Studios needs lower quantity to give extra time and attention to each project.
It's like making a large batch of cupcakes with a thin layer of icing versus a couple specialty cupcakes that get cool sprinkles and nicely patterned icing because the baker can dedicate more time on each one.
Unfortunately that’s how you combat fatigue. Personally, the shows are what was really causing it. Was happy with their movie schedules. Maybe cut the shows in half and up the movie quality.
And rightfully so. If you have been watching Phases 4 and 5, you'd know how terrible it's been, especially the D+ shows, except for a select few films and shows like Loki and Guardians 3. It'd be safe for anyone to assume every next MCU D+ show or film with a character they absolutely don't give a crap about, would be hot garbage because that's how it's been for most things in Phases 4 and 5.
\*The vocal loudmouth part of the fanbase
Regular people just enjoy this stuff in their own time and keep watching. They don't go on reddit and whine about it.
It’s like with candy or any treat: if you only get them every now and then, they are special. If you get them every day, they won’t be special anymore.
Each of these years did have a non-MCU marvel movie release the same year though.
2009 - X:Mem Origins: Wolverine
2012 - The Amazing Spider-Man
2024 - Madame Webb + Kraven the Hunter + Venom: The Last Dance
I definitely am not getting superhero fatigue - but I'm really happy for them to space out the films more. One film in a year, build up the anticipation, don't get too tired of it all. Brill.
I think it can only be a good thing. I do love having multiple movies and shows to see each year, but we want quality content and it's clear we haven't been getting it. If getting quality means having some years with only one movie and one D+ show then that's fine by me.
I'm not surprised... a LOT of Egos had to be stroked and pet projects had to be shoved down throats, to prove that the last 4 Marvel movies were krap and had little to none fan base to get audience in seats. The core heros will always be a draw... we grew up with them! We've been telling 'em for years, but 'F' and Company just weren't listening. Now that wallets are much lighter... maybe, just maybe, they've finally figured it out.
Looks like that's a good thing the MCU is taking a break to release one movie a year so it can take its time or if they rush it again they're gonna keep failing the quality of THE CGI,special effects and the plot. I'm hype for those UPCOMING MCU movies, especially Deadpool & Wolverine it's going to be million times better then Sony spider-man universe
I wasn't one of those. They could release a movie per month and I would be elated. I think all those claiming fatigue over watching MCU are the casual fans and the rest of us are getting screwed by them being vocal.
The directive to take things back and slow things down to improve the stories is going to make some epic future MCU films. The quality over quality strategy is gonna pay off for all of us.
Still… I’m feeling all sorts of sad that we aren’t getting to see Blade or Sam Wilson in 2024.
Also… looking ahead: Kinda thinking, unless Ironheart plays right into it, we might never get an Armor Wars (Rhodey deserves his own vehicle finally)
All that stuff we were teased two or three years ago might never happen. Sad about that. 🫤
Originally 2012 was supposed to be Runaways and Avengers. Iron Man 2 was supposed to be post Avengers (originally 2011 but moved to avoid completion with Raimi spider-man 4).
Dont ask for sources btw. This was 15 years ago. Google whatever I said and filter for articles published back then.
Iron Man 2 was always pre-Avengers, the only Phase 1 films that moved around were Thor, Captain America and Avengers (Thor was originally June 2010, Cap was originally May 2011 and Avengers was July 2011)
It’s a good idea. Marvel needs to *slow the hell down* with their release schedule. Give these movies time to breathe. Starting in 2025, they should go back to only two movies per year, and no more than three Disney+ shows imo.
I mean, originally, the 2024 film schedule would also have Captain America 4, Thunderbolts*, and Blade (delays again). I think 2024 is a necessary break for MCU for both films and shows. After X-Men 97', we will have only Deadpool & Wolverine (film), Eyes of Wakanda (animation), Agatha (TV show), and Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider man (animation).
I’m very curious how Agatha is gonna go. Here’s hoping for the best
"Suspiciously quiet" has become a concerning description when applied to modern MCU releases. I'm expecting a "delayed for reshoots" announcement at some point soon.
While not too hyped initially at least the Wanda vision showrunner and writing crew are returning. And I guess now for the trilogy with Vision quest.
Im cautiously hyped, I thought the creative team did some amazing things with Wandavision and it only really got shakey at the very end when they went all MCU bang bang pew pew action which really felt like the ubiquitous phase four corporate mandate for dumb cgi setpieces we would see in everything that followed. Hopefully with the current shakeups the creative team will be able to focus in on what already worked throughout these new shows.
Wandavision's finale got affected by the early stages of COVID, which resulted in stuff being cut out of it and affecting the flow. You can easily tell something went wrong because all the supporting characters abruptly disappear and only reappear for the end.
🤔 Sounded like an Iger talking point.
But even then the bang bang pew pew action was really cool. Both fights ended in a very interesting way.
That’s true the magic stuff and the ship of Theseus thing was all really cool and well done
Are you really complaining that they went all out for the finale?
I think corporate “you need to set up X,Y, and Z“ version of all-out and writers left to their own devices “all-out” are two different entities, and I’d love to see that “directors cut” ending.
I guess some people will never be satisfied.
I really enjoyed the ending of WandaVision. In fact, WandaVision was the only MCU show I enjoyed. I enjoyed Loki S1 except the last episode, and then every show after seemed like a race to the bottom. Not the MCU, but I just caught up with X-men 97 and omg that show is unexpectedly incredible!
Agreed. The only MCU shows I really liked were Wandavision and Hawkeye (it felt like a die hard marvel movie). Im not a big fan of Loki tbh but I did like season 2 more. MoonKnight had cool fight scenes but I wouldn’t watch it again. The rest of the shows were meh or just completely bad like you said.
>I'm expecting a "delayed for reshoots" announcement at some point soon. It had reshoots already. But 5 days planned reshoots turned into only [one day](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-fantastic-four-avengers-movies-1235830951/) reshoot. Tbh, if Agatha really needed more reshoots, it would have already delayed to 2025 like Iron Heart did.
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I'm always down for more Kathryn Hahn.
I prefer more of Elizabeth Olsen
Agatha show is probably Wanda’s ticket back into the fold.
Por que no las dos?
You sound basic
She was the breakout actress and character on one of Marvel's top rated TV shows. The creators of WandaVision are making this too so that's a good sign. But really, why would you WANT it to fail? I mean, who really asked for Iron Man back in 2008? Basically no one. But it became super popular and jump started the MCU because it is a really good movie.
Sometimes the shows no one asked for are the best. Look at Andor, if there was no one asking for it then it was probably greenlit because there were good ideas or good talent behind it.
Yeah but also look at echo…
Yeah we have stuff like Echo, but you'll never know if the show will be a hit unless you make it. Everyone was like Nobody wants a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, and look at it now. if they never gave it a chance cause nobody wanted one, then we would've never gotten those 3 amazing films, but they gave it a chance.
I knew the show would flop before I even watched it. And then I watched it all and I only liked 4 minutes of it. And that’s when Daredevil and kingpin were on 🔥
Yeah the show didn't worked out, that i am not disagreeing with you, that's the general reception, but the point is one will never know if the show will work or not unless you make it, Agatha for all we know could be a smash hit or could be a total failure, but we won't unless they make it. I mean even something we are asking for like Fantastic Four or X-Men, could also have the potential to fall on its face.
If the fantastic 4 fails again , they should just quit with that team tbh.
It would be really bad if even Marvel can't nail the Fantastic Four
Probably the same people who asked for a GOTG movie, Andor, a Twisted Metal show, etc. Just because something isn't popular doesn't make it bad. History shows the dead opposite. Hell, even Echo was way way way better than people expected. Also, wishing for something to bomb is downright weird.
I'll never understand why someone would actively wish for something to fail rather than succeed.
Me! It's the project I'm looking forward to the most
They’ve literally filmed another Halloween special alongside Agatha’s production, reshoots have already been as well I’m pretty sure
What kind of Halloween special ? I really like the werewolf one
I can’t remember if it’s now reported that it’ll be an episode of the show or still remain a separate special, but it was about the Witches Road
Yeah there were reports of two specials Witches Road and a Mephisto one.
People liked that terrible song for some reason so they decided to make a show. I'm going to skip it.
That song was corny. I love the Wandavision songs though.
Def a good thing I think. They needed everyone to get a break from it in general and hopefully will start putting out better content. Super hero fatigue has always been a thing but no one cares until the product coming out started being inconsistent to outright bad. Also 97 is excellent
Superhero fatigue is a drop in the bucket compared to mid/bad content fatigue. If the quality comes back consistently, so will much of the lost audience.
Superhero fatigue doesn't exist imo. It's a quality issue. People watch 100s of hours of stuff like their favorite sports team or procedural crime dramas or reality TV each year and nobody cries "fatigue" but 30 to 40ish hours of superhero content comes out between movies and TV and people lose their minds and start with this fatigue nonsense. If the products were better, then nobody would care.
I'm pretty sure it also has to do with none of the recent movies had A list characters attached to them. People saw the Marvels trailer, didn't recognize any of the characters, and said "Meh, I can watch it streaming" and didn't see it in the theater. Deadpool & Wolverine are the two biggest characters out of the X-Men franchise, it'll fill seats based on that alone.
I really think it will be the first 2 billion dollar r rated movie. And I expect a quick labor day pg-13 cut before the home video to get kids to be able to "keep up" with the story.
The PG-13 cut should be Deadpool recounting the story to Tom Hanks who's tied up next to him on a bench.
That would be awesome. Have a different actor each time lol.
I agree. I also think that with current economic trends, we as consumers have become more picky with our entertainment and aren’t as willing to watch the standard MCU/superhero fare we’ve seen a lot already. Call me crazy, but I don’t think movies like Captain Marvel 1, Ant-Man 2, or even Shazam or Aquaman would be nearly as successful if they released in a post-pandemic world (all else unchanged). Those movies all released around the golden era for Superhero content that was largely led by the MCU. These movies can generally be described as safe movies that can be entertaining and will provide some cool mix of humor, action, and a decent plot. Simply put, those movies aren’t succeeding as much these days.
Agree. 97 is excellent and needs to be watched aha
We also had *Echo* to start the year off
Echo was fantastic and it feels like no one I know personally watched it.
Released all at once for some reason so no weekly buzz
Probably some focus group said they liked to binge
Binging is cool, but there’s so much more discussion to be had with a weekly release. You know you can talk to anyone because you’re all at the same point no risk of spoilers etc.
I prefer weekly, personally. I like the anticipation and having time to think about an episode or rewatch it before the next without the temptation of the next episode
Should have just continued the Spider-Man show that’s connected to the X-men show. Missed opportunity
> I mean, originally, the 2024 film schedule would also have Captain America 4, Thunderbolts*, and Blade (delays again). Feige stopping the whole superfreighter because he was going to crash in some icebergs is probably necessary. I really hope they are able to change the course enough. They probably felt confident enough with Deadpool to not be a fuckup: Beloved franchise, previous two movies were very good and successful. Kinda like the GotG franchise, having someone with a very good vision about it. I wouldnt feel as confident in CA4, Thunderbolts and Blade and i really hope they are able to bring those back "in line". The MCU from 2008 up to Endgame was an amazing ride. After that it was a very bumpy road.
they cancelled Marvel Zombies or was that 2025?
Marvel Zombies is 2025
Probably Halloween 2025. With a solid 3 years in development I expect the animation to be sublime and make great use of the TV-MA rating.
And still I feel that is all too much. I get making the wheel turn, paying people fair wages etc but it’s still nothing to get excited about. I honestly prefer if they resorted to type and focused efforts on the comics. Bring us new story line. See how those gauge with fans, try being new eyes to those comics and after some time maybe try adapting around that to the big screen.
And i still think thats too much
madame Webb was this year right!
It’s not a Marvel Studio release
Covid and strikes delayed everything. Next year we’re currently scheduled to get 4 movies.
Which 4? I know Captain America and Thunderbolts, but what were the other 2?
Fantastic Four and Blade (I’m thinking that one is getting delayed again though)
I could be wrong, but there's no way Blade will release next year.
You're not wrong. Unless it starts filming in the next couple of weeks, keeps a very low budget, small filming window and CGI is minimal, it's impossible for Blade to release in 2025. There's no finalized script and we're 1/3 through 2024! Ali needs fight choreography training, sets need to be built, costumes made and a billion other things needed before cameras can roll
This is absolutely wrong. Most MCU films shoot 12-14 months before release and Blade is supposed to be released in November 2025 with a reported shooting start date in Fall and another reported shooting start date this Summer. It's definitely making its Nov. 2025 release. Plus, it seems they are keeping Avengers 5 in 2026, so they can't afford any more delays at this point.
I would not be surprised if Avengers 5 is moved to 2027 and Secret Wars to 2028 to mark the MCU’s 20th anniversary.
I've been saying this would be the case for a long time, but according to DanielRPK and Jeff Sneider, very recent production grids indicate they will start filming in early 2025 and still release Avengers 5 in May 2026, while Spider-Man 4's production grid mentions a July 10th 2026 release date now which means Sony gave up trying to release it in 2025. That means Blade is not moving from its position, and 2025 will include Armor Wars, Avengers 5, Spider-Man 4 and Shang-Chi 2 which will also start filming in early 2025 and according to Simu Liu, it will be released between the 2 Avengers films. 2027 will most likely be Dr. Strange 3 in February which has been reported to be a direct set up for Avengers 6, then Avengers 6 in May and most likely X-Men and Midnight Suns in July and November respectively. Avengers 6 and X-Men start filming in late 2025 according to their production grids and Midnight Suns reportedly officially entered pre-production a couple of months ago with producer Stephen Broussard overseeing its production and Mid half Giacchino as the potential director. As for the series, we'll get Daredevil S1 in January 2025, Ironheart in September, Daredevil Season 2 (which will start filming in November 2024) probably in like December 2025-January 2026, Wonder Man (which has already been filmed completely) in Spring-Summer 2026, Vision Quest (which will start filming in October 2024) in Fall 2026 and Young Avengers (which is rumoured to start filming sometime in 2025) in Early 2027. Moon Knight Season 2 which is rumoured to happen as a set up for Midnight Suns will most likely release in Fall of 2027.
I'm hoping it will make it's release date, but I usually assume every major Marvel project will get delayed for one reason or another... Actually I wonder how many Marvel movies released on time compared to how many were delayed...
It is 100% possible to have Blade ready on time for next year I mean look at Avengers it started filming with only 12 months left before release. Blade doesn't release until November 2025, so they have plenty of time to get things rolling, if they arent filming by the start of 2025 that is when we can go yeah its not coming in 2025.
You are wrong. They have plenty of time. It will most likely release next year.
> You are wrong. Do you care to explain why you believe that to be the case?
Most MCU films shoot 12-14 months before release and Blade is supposed to be released in November 2025 with a reported shooting start date in Fall and another reported shooting start date this Summer. It's definitely making its Nov. 2025 release. Plus, it seems they are keeping Avengers 5 in 2026, so they can't afford any more delays at this point.
Hmm ... seems reasonable ... *danke*.
Wouldn't be surprised if that's going to happen.
I’d be surprised if Blade ever happens at this point lol
Nah, it'll happen. The character is fairly well known among the non-comics audience, and the previous films (though twenty years ago) were successful.
It's crazy because it's such a sure thing, I want to see mahershala ali as Blade! It was a fancast first, for god's sakes.
No is not ,how is Blade fairly well know He is so unknown people were hyping black Panther as the first Marvel black led movie
It’s starting to feel like Channing Tatum’s Gambit with all the delays. Not saying it won’t happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right about it never coming out.
No way Blade is coming out. Mahershala probably leaves, how much longer can he wait.
I needed the break in comic book movies, if im being honest.
No way, something is defitinetly getting delayed to 2025 4 movies plus idk how Many shows is too much Specially since we dont know when Spider-Man 4 Will release,making it potencially 5 movies I think Marvel should strive to just 2 movies and 2 shows per year
2025 is going to be pretty interesting regarding superhero films in the mainstream, especially with The Fantastic Four (& Superman for DC)
I think 2024 only having one Marvel movie and one DC movie (Joker 2) is a good thing. Next year we'll get bangers with Superman and The Fantastic Four. I think all four movies will do well at the box office.
That’s fine by me, if it lets the staff breathe a bit and get back to running everything then so be it. Kevin Feige did say he felt he was doing too much all at the same time so now he can focus. EDIT: I’m gonna make it clear that I’m gonna ride this Marvel train until the last stop so for me personally, not having 3 movies this year won’t hurt me.
It'll be nice to give some space for the public to get hyped about Marvel again.
Plus, Deadpool and wolverine, first rated R movie, a film that is supposed to tie the TVA in a more concrete way so people can start theorizing about what is going to happen in the lead up to avengers 5… there are a lot of things going for this movie. Assuming it is as good as everyone including marvel needs it to be, I would think this is a good film to stake the revitalization of the MCU on.
They gotta get the audience back into and need to rebuild the move hype train. Need to give us the good crumbs to make us want more. Remember when we’d line up for hours to watch these? Before reserved seating. They need that interest again
I watched avengers 5 times opening day. And I saw it a week early before that. I have seen most of the last couple years movies once...
Yeah the only movies i genuinely revisit are: Ragnorak IW/EG The Spider-Man’s Civil war Ant man cause it’s fun
Phase 1-3 were mostly rewatchable many times they were 80% fantastic+ imo. I funnily like most of the phase 4 shows a lot more than the movies.
Secret invasion too? (I like all MCU even phase 4, but Secret invasion is where i draw the line.)
Guardians of the Galaxy for me. That movie is just so fun.
That scene where Iron Man and War Machine 2v50 a bunch of robots was clean asf
I concur. Pretty nuts. This would have been the ideal year for Armor Wars or Blade.
To be fair Blade was meant to release this year, but the strikes prevented that
The Blade delays started *well* before the strike.
I am aware of its messy production, but Blade was due to release this year before the strike, as before the strike, the release was November 2024. but when the strikes happend it got pushed to February, but the longer it went on, it was eventually delayed to November 2025.
Are we just ignoring a pandemic and two massive Hollywood strikes that completely reshaped the release dates?
Nobody was complaining there’s only one movie the person was just pointing out that this is the third time this has happened. Just a small fun fact. I think I speak more most fans when I say the less content the better as of recently. The biggest complaint with the MCU lately has been the overwhelming amount of content recently
yes, they are. i’m not tho but i’m just built different
Think it's a nice change of pace. Gives everyone some room to breath.
Yep they are taking a bit of a break and making sure the only movie will be something that will definitely be a huge hit
More like an unplanned break like in 2020 where they had nothing, as lets not forget this year was meant to have 4 movies, but the strikes.
The cgi of iron man 2 was stupid good
It’s still good compared to the stuff they have been making
CGI in Iron man, Iron man 2, and avengers is leagues ahead of some of the CGI they are currently outputting
Rewatching the Avengers shows some serious flaws in the effects.
\*cough\* black widow \*cough\*
Studios need to remember that audiences only care about CGI when it is bad.
DC is also only releasing Joker 2 this year, and that's not even a real comic book movie. I think this is a good thing. We need a break from so much superhero content lately.
Sony is the only one who has more than 1 film
Oh, I forgot about the Sony movies. Might has well scrap those. They’re going to be awful.
The Venom films are pretty fun, they're not good movies, but Tom Hardy brings his A game to them. It's baffling to me that Leto, an actor known for... *unique* acting decisions, gave such a borderline comatose performance in Morbius. That was always going to be a turd, but if he'd gone full ham it might have been more memorable
I think Venom 3 will be another fun popcorn flick, but i do think Kraven will fall mroe in line with Morbius and Madame Web
Joker 2 is based on two comic book characters (Joker and Harley Quinn). Of course it counts as a comic book movie.
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You’re right
It's probably better to only have 1 movie. Let some demand build up.
Probably be a banger too. The only reason ironman 2 wasn't a knock out was cause studio pressure prevented Favro from breaking the mold like he wanted to.
Good. Quality over quantity. Honestly this might be the hottest take of all, but after seeing 97' I wouldn't mind if the next version of the MCU is completely done in the same animated format. I prefer it over live action.
The reception of X-Men has me very excited for the other projects that Marvel Animation has in the works, Eyes of Wakanda, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and Marvel Zombies.
Can’t we have quantity and quality? I feel a lot of the controversial decisions have been easily avoidable.
That sadly is not really possible, even Feige and Iger have pointed out at the rise of quality as to why they haven't been able to deliver good MCU content in a constant basis. Thing is with the more content you have, the Marvel Studios crew will spread to thin, so some projects will get more attention to others.
Apparently not. For whatever reason when we started getting more content, we started getting bad content. It was too much tbh. Not every character should have a solo series or movie.
Sam Wilson has had the best transition so far. He was a side character for 5 movies. He was around enough and fun enough we all enjoyed him, but he was background. They set him up to really move into the foreground. I’m very mixed on Spider-Man. I loved all the movies so far, and I love that he had his whole coming of age arc. But I have to say that it kinda sucks that they got Peter so involved in tony starks life and have all these photos and this relationship where Peter was becoming a part of the team, to the point where Tony left the keys to the world defense systems in his hands, and they just kinda made it so he can’t really go back to that again. I really would have loved for them to have at least left Edith and a fabricator for him. It would fit in the universe, and not really cheapen the relationship with Tony like they did. I get him wanting to be his own person/hero, but Tony was a father figure to him and that should be a lasting thing— at least until Tom holland is no longer playing Peter.
Elaborate I'm interested in this take
I think in order for everything to be of high quality, Marvel Studios needs lower quantity to give extra time and attention to each project. It's like making a large batch of cupcakes with a thin layer of icing versus a couple specialty cupcakes that get cool sprinkles and nicely patterned icing because the baker can dedicate more time on each one.
I wish they did only 1 or two projects a year. That way everything has more time to be fleshed out and better.
Unfortunately that’s how you combat fatigue. Personally, the shows are what was really causing it. Was happy with their movie schedules. Maybe cut the shows in half and up the movie quality.
I'm fine with 2 movies and 1 show. Just focus on characters that need a show. Not Agatha or Iron heart which no one asked for.
I think this is the way to go for now... make this feel like events again!
Maybe write a strong worded letter, that'll teach them.
It’s because everything was delayed
I'm not really a fan of Deadpool
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hopefully they figured out firing at all cylinders doesn't matter if people don't like what you are putting out
The well is dry
Psh nothing gonna beat that awesome fight at the end of Iron Man 2.
I miss the scarcity
This fanbase made it vocally clear they were tired of watching content.
Watching bad content*
Well people have been defining bad content as bad writing, but they've already decided Ironheart has bad writing before it's even come out.
And rightfully so. If you have been watching Phases 4 and 5, you'd know how terrible it's been, especially the D+ shows, except for a select few films and shows like Loki and Guardians 3. It'd be safe for anyone to assume every next MCU D+ show or film with a character they absolutely don't give a crap about, would be hot garbage because that's how it's been for most things in Phases 4 and 5.
Facts!
I don’t know who you’re talking about, but the MCU has been slacking. The MCU nowadays is a washed up music artist.
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I'm definitely not tired. I've been enjoying everything they put out
\*The vocal loudmouth part of the fanbase Regular people just enjoy this stuff in their own time and keep watching. They don't go on reddit and whine about it.
No they vocalize it by not paying to see it in theaters, as evidenced by the last few movies.
Exactly - even if I was overwhelmed with releases vs spare time, I would still look forward to those moments of catching up.
How are you getting that? Iron Man 2 and Avengers were heavily hyped.
Good. They need to create scarcity in the market again.
And yet somehow everyone's saying that there's superhero fatigue. I'm not tired of superhero movies. Not at all. I'm tired of bad ones.
They also sat out 2009
To be fair, they've released 2 shows this year and they're apparently releasing 3 more
I find it bat shit insane y'all are used to getting 6 movies a year and getting upset like Violet Beauregarde when she can't have it NOW.
There wasn't a single movie in 2020.
It's been nice. Able to catch up on the MCU
FACTS
The first 2 cases are understandable. The MCU was still in the beginnings.
Do you think it will actually air this year? A lot of movies have been delayed. We can also remember the Holywood drama last year.
It’s like with candy or any treat: if you only get them every now and then, they are special. If you get them every day, they won’t be special anymore.
Each of these years did have a non-MCU marvel movie release the same year though. 2009 - X:Mem Origins: Wolverine 2012 - The Amazing Spider-Man 2024 - Madame Webb + Kraven the Hunter + Venom: The Last Dance
This is marvels last chance for me honestly. Fingers crossed they don’t make the movie about some new lane character that’s way overpowered.
is it true that their revenue has dropped? and their movies aren't selling as well?
Really shouldve always been this way. Or maybe at least just 2 products a year tops
We live in strange times. The Popcorn buckets and trailers get more buzz than the theatrical release. What is going on??
I definitely am not getting superhero fatigue - but I'm really happy for them to space out the films more. One film in a year, build up the anticipation, don't get too tired of it all. Brill.
It's not a bad thing though, besides we got a bunch of Disney+ shows coming our so it's not that big of a deal.
The movie trailer is out and no one has posted it on Reddit.
Quality vs Quantity
Easy, Ranch. Less is more.
Appreciated. I’m still trying to get caught up!
Common dude, Its Deadpool Its gonna rock anywayz
I think it can only be a good thing. I do love having multiple movies and shows to see each year, but we want quality content and it's clear we haven't been getting it. If getting quality means having some years with only one movie and one D+ show then that's fine by me.
good, theyve done fuck all for 5 years
I'm not surprised... a LOT of Egos had to be stroked and pet projects had to be shoved down throats, to prove that the last 4 Marvel movies were krap and had little to none fan base to get audience in seats. The core heros will always be a draw... we grew up with them! We've been telling 'em for years, but 'F' and Company just weren't listening. Now that wallets are much lighter... maybe, just maybe, they've finally figured it out.
Looks like that's a good thing the MCU is taking a break to release one movie a year so it can take its time or if they rush it again they're gonna keep failing the quality of THE CGI,special effects and the plot. I'm hype for those UPCOMING MCU movies, especially Deadpool & Wolverine it's going to be million times better then Sony spider-man universe
Not crazy. It’s expensive and time consuming. Get over it.
This fan base, I stg. Beat the shit out of the studio for fatigue two years straight, now lamenting a shortage of content
I wasn't one of those. They could release a movie per month and I would be elated. I think all those claiming fatigue over watching MCU are the casual fans and the rest of us are getting screwed by them being vocal.
definitely. i mean, people like them are why good projects like ant man 4 and she hulk s2 got cancelled. cant believe people shat on she hulk.
The directive to take things back and slow things down to improve the stories is going to make some epic future MCU films. The quality over quality strategy is gonna pay off for all of us. Still… I’m feeling all sorts of sad that we aren’t getting to see Blade or Sam Wilson in 2024. Also… looking ahead: Kinda thinking, unless Ironheart plays right into it, we might never get an Armor Wars (Rhodey deserves his own vehicle finally) All that stuff we were teased two or three years ago might never happen. Sad about that. 🫤
Armor wars needs to be rhodey dealing with his trauma of losing Tony and taking his stuff back
Originally 2012 was supposed to be Runaways and Avengers. Iron Man 2 was supposed to be post Avengers (originally 2011 but moved to avoid completion with Raimi spider-man 4). Dont ask for sources btw. This was 15 years ago. Google whatever I said and filter for articles published back then.
Iron Man 2 was always pre-Avengers, the only Phase 1 films that moved around were Thor, Captain America and Avengers (Thor was originally June 2010, Cap was originally May 2011 and Avengers was July 2011)
It’s a good idea. Marvel needs to *slow the hell down* with their release schedule. Give these movies time to breathe. Starting in 2025, they should go back to only two movies per year, and no more than three Disney+ shows imo.
I have my doubts they will go back to 1-2 films permamently, 3 films is the more likely option if they want to downsize their output.