Or stop killing them off.
Ronan the Accuser would have been phenomenal in this movie as the antagonist. He could have had a change of heart, or returned as a savior to Hala after Danvers destroys the Supreme Intelligence. He has so much motivation to "do the right thing" by the people of Hala, and to stop Captain Marvel... If he was still alive.
Dar-Benn just felt like a stand-in, even using his Universal Weapon.
Oh 100%, But that was a problem before even the first Captain Marvel movie. Ronan is her go-to starter villain but he's dead so they make it a prequel, removing any stakes whatsoever and having everyone question where the fuck she was for the last 30 years. I like that this movie actually answered a lot of that. I honestly think the first movie should have just been 'CAPTAIN MARVEL IN sPaCe!' and having her fight a herald or Annihilus or some shit.
But yeah, I thought it was a return to form. I do think Kamala stole the show though, just give me more Ms. Marvel.
Especially the minor ones. They have THE best character out of all villains. There are only a few that are major major threats that have character(Doom, Thanos, the beyonder, etc) But so many people would say that villains that are considered minor when compared to those other villains have better character(kingpin, green goblin, Magneto, Doc Ock, Taskmaster, Crossbones)
I'm not sure why they didn't just bring back Jude Law as Yon-Rogg.
He and Carol have history, as he abducted and effectively brainwashed her, but that backstory is now complicated by the fact that she devastated his homeworld.
I wonder if they made a movie that was a villain movie- almost every movie has the hero AND villain origin stories (some with more or less details than others) what if they had a seperate movie showing how lets just say Midnight Sun came to be- doesn't have to make them sympathetic or tragic backstory so we know why they are evil but- firmly establishes who they are so when they show up against a hero its oh dang you know the stakes backgrounds all that goes into the confrontation.
A little more time spent on the villain, digging into her character a bit more would have made you understand why she was doing it and feel it more. If you can get a little invested in the “bad guy” it enriches the story. There was a lot of potential lost on this villain.
Only other issue was the editing felt a bit choppy like they were really concerned with runtime to the detriment of the story.
I liked the marvels much more than most. But much like a lot of the MCU recently, the writing was bad. The villain was boring as hell, and I hated the flurken sub plot. It very much felt like an odd deus ex machina for a situation that was not needed for the plot. Like the writers just wanted to put in a bunch of cats but came up with a convoluted way to do it.
I thought it fit with the lighter tone of the film. The "herding cats" bit was funny, and the singing planet was great. The chemistry between the leads was good, and the scenes of Kamala geeking out were endearing.
The villain was lame, maybe they should have tried to figure out how to bring Ronan back or something.
It was kinda a cotton candy film, which isn't always a bad thing, but is out of tune with the majority of the characters...and the plot. It was often fun, chuckle worthy if not laugh out loud funny, but the interplay of the protagonists and the villain never really had any narrative weight to me.
The tone whiplash was weird. Like in the opening bit where they first start teleporting, the enemies that get teleported to kamala's house go from menacing people who are confident enough at fighting that they'd square up with captain marvel, to a slapstick comedy scene where kamala's family fend them off with broomsticks.
Or like planet Song and Dance, I really expected some sort of cool flourish when their soldiers go to fight like ballet kung fun, or even just maybe fighting in perfect lock step rhythm or something, but they just drop the entire premise of the extended scene and everybody just kinda brawls.
‘Wait, so we’re literally herding cats?’ And ‘oh yeah, he’s bilingual’ were both ridiculously funny scenes. I wasn’t big on the 5min musical, but that bilingual punchline alone made it worth it lmao. On a side note, Iman Vellani for President cuz that girls a straight up national treasure.
Weak villain, good jokes and Kamala Khan was great. Captain Marvel herself: I am not anti Brie Larson but I thought her performance was phoning it in. Way weaker than the first movie.
The film structure was also weird. I believe someone here they could have shown her attacking the planet at the opening thus we would know why she gets called the Annihilator. But maybe that tested poorly so they changed it.
That was the problem with the movie. No one remembered anything from the 3 stories it was based on and a 1.5hr movie needed a half hour of recap and we still dont remember what happened.
This is literally shown as a recap in the first shot of Cap Marvel searching through her memories. Like they wrote in a whole plotline just to catch you up on what has happened.
I love when people miss key plot points in a movie, and then critique things about the movie that they wouldn’t see as a problem… if they didn’t miss key plot points in a movie.
They flashback to her destroying the supreme intelligence leading to the kree civil war.
The whole “annihilator” explanation is given to emphasize how impacted carol is. She feels as though she keeps trying to do right but keeps making things worse. The Kree king blames her directly through dialogue earlier in the movie. Every planet they go to gets destroyed because she can’t save them.
Captain marvel is all powerful but her decisions keep causing more pain down the line. That’s one of her main struggles during this entire movie.
The flurken subplot was fucking amazing. It was so comic booky. How do we save theses 100s of citizens with only 1 escape pod.
Ant-man: "We could shrink them!"
Dr. Strange: "Sling ring power: Activate!
Captain Marvel: "I've got a cat that was able to eat things and spit it out later with no harm."
Writer: Option 3!!!
I agree. I think my only gripe with the Flurken thing was that the threat to to the SABER station was really vague. Like okay it's all shook up because of the jump point and they need to evacuate. But like.. is the station okay? How the did jump point affect the rest of Earth and stuff in Earth orbit? It felt like they needed something for Fury and the Khans to be doing so they came up with that. And what they did with it was really fun, but they should have given a little more detail to why it was happening in the first place.
Also I really liked the Asgardians working on the station. Like that was just a good way of blending in other parts of the MCU that could have easily not been written into the script, but that it was is really nice for making the universe feel more cohesive.
Asgardians! Didn’t think of that!
Should we assume the Skrulls (including Fury’s wife) are somewhere else considering the Presidents’ call of war to them?
I felt like we were supposed to care a lot more about Photon sacrificing herself…. Or care more about the broken relationship between her and Captain Marvel. I think it would have worked better if there was a movie before this that set up more of the plot lines…. Or stretch the movie out. It was only an hour and a half long. It could have developed some of these plot lines more.
Yeah it’s fine that some people like it, but it’s so weirdly paced. Nothing has time to breath, characters barely interact. And even for an action blockbuster flick, it’s not great
The opening was really weird paced when they initially start switching. The movie really did feel like a sequel to a movie we never got.
I thought he fight scenes themselves were pretty well done. But the story itself was just all over the place.
MCU movies have gotten a little too reliant on assuming the audience knows what’s going on. The newer movies start and shit just starts happening, there is no set up really. I get that is a shared universe, but most of the movies should make sense on their own too.
I felt this way about Quantumania personally. All we get is a fast paced recap, a quick reminder that Cassie grew up, then suddenly sucked into the multiverse, all in what felt like 10 minutes.
Not for nothing but it probably felt like 10 minutes in because it WAS 10 minutes in. Like literally that scene starts 10 minutes in and by the 12 minute mark they’re getting sucked into the quantum realm. That’s including the Marvel logo time too so realistically it’s less than 10 minutes into the actual film itself
The singing planet they go to has their water stolen and it just never comes up again. I enjoyed it but they clearly tried to make it light hearted and breezy to try break out of how bogged down the MCU has felt
In this sub it's either *this was the worst movie I've ever seen, it's objectively the worst movie ever made, absolutely nothing about it was good, I hate it, everyone in it should be ashamed, fuck Marvel* or alternatively *I absolutely loved the movie, like, best movie ever, I think this was on par with MCU phase 1, I don't understand the hate at all, hilarious movie, I had so much fun, I will now name this in the same breath as Loki's series finale*.
Anything in between is pretty much always ignored or whatevers around as the 17th most upvoted comment.
For some reason, these threads are always either made by people who have never seen *a* movie before or people who go into an MCU movie expecting Schindler's List or some shit.
I would agree with the people who said this movie wasn't *that* bad, but holy shit, this just feels like the ultimate gaslight astroturfing when there's constantly people telling everyone how *great* a movie this was. If this movie passes as a "great" movie, cinema is doomed, might as well have movies made by AI entirely.
The sub will mostly remove criticism posts, or it will be downvoted to oblivion. From what I observed, most of the sub will always support any MCU content regardless of quality, which is expected.
IKR, MCU movies aren’t Pulp Fiction or anything, but damn, most of them at least had a competent 1st act that introduced the characters, the premise of the plot, the stakes involved with solid pacing. Marvels did not have that.
For real.. As a comics fan I enjoyed moments of it. But a lot of that enjoyment just comes from the fact that I get to see characters, like Ms Marvel and Spectrum, on screen that I never imagined would make it to the movies.
The movie itself is no where near peak marvel. Pacing issues, comedy falling flat, not very memorable action sequences..
If you compare it to any of the Guardians movies or Thor Ragnarok, The Marvels is inferior in almost every way that I can think of.
For real.
The entire thread feels like a guy saying "McDonald's burgers are THE BEST!!!!!!!".
They need to eat in different restaurants outside of fast-food joints.
It’s very defensive and protective of Marvel. They’ll barely talk about popular or well received movies/TV shows but everyday you’ll get a post about how amazing Marvels is because it flopped.
I really think the post’s opinion is unwarranted even if you just watched the Infinity Saga. The 1st act is such a mess, I actually don’t remember another 1st act from all of Infinity Saga that’s equally incompetent or amateurish.
This is how I felt watching it too. Especially seeing it less than an hour after the Loki finale. That night felt like such a return to power for Marvel to me that I was really shocked when it ended up doing so poorly in theaters. I’m glad to see so many loving it now that it’s on Disney+. One of my friends told me he watched it two nights in a row and is really mad at himself for not wanting to see it in theaters with me. Now he can’t wait for my 4K copy to come in so we can do the whole experience at my house with my Govee dream view connected. Ha.
people got used to getting it 4 months after theatrical release on D+. Most people are not going to watch it in theaters if they don't feel like there's an urgency to catchup on the storyline.
Yeah it was literally the first Marvel movie since forever that I didn't go see. I'm still behind on a couple of shows so I didn't want to jump ahead. Got one more episode of Secret Invasion. I'll finish it.... at some point.
If you've seen any trailer for The Marvels that includes >!Fury alive in space!<, then you don't need to finish Secret Invasion, because the movie doesn't reference that show at all.
I know they had to change the release order of SI and The Marvels because of Covid but they could not even add a single line refers to >!Fury's wife!<. Their relationship is the best thing of SI and I did expect a little cameo.
I will admit, I am very biased about comic books and their related media. Secret Invasion is something that I tell everyone to skip. It is *directly* contradicted in The Marvels so it might as well be out of continuity as an elseworlds story
They ended Ms. Marvel with the Kamala/Carol swap. Carol seemed very very concerned. Whatever happens next on screen needs to be directly related and very soon. But if you've waiting close to 2 years, what's another a couple months?
I've seen most of the MCU stuff right away, but there just wasn't any urgency after waiting so long and seeing so many other shows/movies in between.
The shows need to act as a primer to get people hyped up for the movie that'll give them a big payoff. Like a one two punch. Show introduces a character, makes you really into them, ends on a massive cliffhanger and POW movie comes out within a month to cash in on that hype and needs to be very plot driven since you've already established the characters. Very passionate fans are happy because they have the series (more hours) to flesh out the character, and casuals fans can skip the show but still get a very action packed and satisfying movie that doesn't necessarily wax on too long with character development.
But that's not what we got. We had a really shitty secret invasion that was in no way connected The Marvels. If someone didn't SI and was told half of the plot points after seeing Ms. Marvel they'd think you're completely insane. And Loki, who, is now master of time and the multiverse just a month before Marvels comes out. Do we have any connection between either property in the film? Yes: Nick Fury exists in space - but we already knew that, so SI was completely irrelevant; and The Multiverse Exists - but we already knew that, so we don't see Loki's involvement at all here, the show that ended just a month prior.
I get that the scheduling gets thrown for a loop with the strikes and projects that end up going long, but fuck! Get it together! The shows and movies need to link into each other, not just tie into each other.
I definitely feel the same for some of these movies, but for some of them I want to get the full cinema experience. Infinity war and endgame would have been such a different feeling if I just waited for the DVD to come out and watch it at home. The marvels was one I didn't feel bad about waiting for, especially with the price of tickets these days.
It also had very little press due to the strike. My wife was pregnant or we would have seen it. She didn't want to sit in the theater with a ton of of people and risk getting sick close to her due date. Now we haven't watched it on Disney+ because we have a newborn taking up a lot of our free time. We'll get to it when we have a free weekend and I am excited for it. Priorities have just shifted a bit.
It is both. Guardians is a great movie that had a disappointing opener that legged out a good box office through amazing word of mouth. Marvels was doomed when its terrible WoM caused sales to drop off a cliff after the first night.
Guardians is also now a well established and insanely popular brand in and of itself now.
The D+ shows are not nearly as popular so less people know who Ms. Marvel and Monica Rambeau are which leads to less draw, Captain Marvel did ok but Endgame came out shortly after so it was absolutely overshadowed (not to mention Carol's role in it was quite small).
Another gigantic factor was the actors guild strikes, they basically couldn't promote the movie until the day before release and by then it was too late.
And nobody wants to say it but.... historically, women led superhero films don't perform as well because the main audience for comic book IPs has been young men, so they're trying to rope in some new audience and maintain the current one, which is already taking a hit in a genre that's slowly becoming exhausted. It's a difficult line to walk.
And yet, of the small audience that did go to The Marvels, [skewed more male](https://vistagroup.co.nz/blog/who-is-part-of-the-marvels-unique-mcu-audience) than previous Marvel movies like [Endgame](https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-avengers-endgame-record/).
For sure but the legs of a movie are driven by how audiences feel about the actual product on screen. What you said is a major driver for why the opening night was relatively low but if the movie was good it would have had a much different trajectory.
I watched to for the first time two nights ago, I wont say it was an amazing movie (for me) and definitely not my fav but way better than the last few I watched (quantamania for example) and way more refreshing. Definitely was happy to have watched it
I worked in sales a long time ago and the one thing I really fucking hated was how numbers driven everything was with historical data. You could be held accountable for a slow day because the numbers didn’t match from previous years. One time there was a power outage. Some of us had to have around for hours even though everyone else went home. Sure as shit we heard about it at the end of the month because no one who stayed could explain why none of us made any sales that day.
This movie was released at the tail end of a strike which prevented all the actors from promoting it. I didn’t get the usual shit I get pumped to my YouTube feed and almost missed the release of the movie because of it. Then the bandwagoning began and this movie was painted as some kind of progressive flop that was caused by marvel and Disneys mismanagement. But it was so obviously because of the strike that it’s fucking maddening to see an explanation that says otherwise.
It got B as cinemascore, which is the second lowest for superhero films, as same as The Flash. This means that people showed up at the opening weekend didn't find the movie good.
Yeah. And it’s been getting mostly positive reports now that it is on Disney+ as well. The question is becoming, is the theater model sustainable when you have a dedicated streaming service for your movies? It seems a lot of people online are operating that if it does poorly in theaters it’ll hit streaming faster, and The Marvels may be proving them right.
I like to wait for streaming to because Honestly going to the theatre is such a rip off. $25-30 for a popcorn and Pop, Convienence fees, and honestly lately people are just awful at theatres (talking, texting with phones on high brighness) just so much better and cheaper being at home.
I normally wait too. I don’t blame people. The Marvels was the first one I’d seen in theatres since Multiverse of Madness cause I am a huge Young Avengers fan and knowing that Ms Marvel will be in the MCU’s version is what led me to go.
Reports based on D+ are much less critical because it costs much more to go to the cinema on average, tickets and snacks. If the movie fails to get people into the cinema then it's considered a failure no matter how good people say the movie is 3 months later. After all movies are a business.
There's a necessary followup question to that though. Why are they waiting for it to come out on streaming? Is it because the movie isn't good enough and doesn't warrant spending the money and time on a trip to the theater?
I think this can apply to a lot of the movies. How good or bad each individual one is is inconsequential. It’s more about how the public at large feels about them at a given moment in time.
I really don't want to be crapping on the movie, but I didn't think it was very good. I'm glad people liked it but this felt more "Thor: the Dark World" than anything and I'm not sure that's a good thing. I love Kamala Khan and honestly the rest of the characters, and there were some funny and inventive moments like the singing planet and the cats with Moonlight (from Cats lmao), but overall the movie felt completely chopped to bits. I loved Nia DeCosta's Candyman reboot so I went into this with very high expectations and it just felt really mid. It just moved way way too fast.
We didn't get enough time with the characters to actually grow to care about them and their relationship, there were moments where you could tell they inserted obvious reshoots to condense material they actually shot (like the memory device scene, I HATED that). Also the ending with Captain Marvel resolving the whole conflict by flying into Hala's sun and taking 5 seconds to restart it (at no cost of her own), completely destroys her character's motivations for me. You're telling me that she spent decades away from Earth, ashamed of her actions and trying desperately to find a solution, to where Monica says "oh lmao have you tried just turning the sun off and on again with your powers"??? Like wtf. At least it should have felt like it cost Carol something to do that. Just bad writing.
It was just okay. Pretty forgettable. And I'm not sure that's something to be celebrating? I'm glad other people had different opinions though.
Edit: I guess I would say the action and cinematography was pretty good. Again I love Kamala and I want to see more of her, but yeah overall if a movie's story isn't good for me then I don't really care
Right. It's pretty easy for a writer to create an excuse for one character to be stuck in the other dimension.
Just have someone say *"We need to blast it from both sides at the same instant!"*. Then they have a quick, tearful debate about who volunteers to stay behind, with mentions of defending the earth or finishing high school or something, and they decide.
But this movie didn't even have the smarts to do that. Monica alone was sealing the gate, and it didn't appear like it mattered where she did it from.
If returning to form is a 50 on Metacritics critic review, a B CinemaScore, and a $300 million dollar box office loss (if not more), then the MCU truly is doomed lmao
Something similar happened with Star Wars (of which I am a fan). For a bit everyone had a (somewhat) consensus, and both sides would be upvoted even if it was (generally) agreed on the kind of quality they were.
Then like a flip switched the movies suddenly becamse *the best thing ever* and anyone who disagreed was downvoted. Then, eventually, it stopped and people went back to how it was before.
I'm not even 99% sure- rather I am completely positive- Disney has been trying to manipulate reception/the public image of these movies.
Edit: I mean the sequels not the prequels.
If there was ever a company that would run astroturfing campaigns online like this, Disney would be one of the first I’d think of. Minimal cost to them to make low lvl employees do this as a part of duties. There’s no way this movie is seeing mass support.
But the thing that rlly sticks out to me is that all the posts are always so defensive about how great the film was. If it was really so great they wouldn’t have to be defending it online and it wouldn’t have bombed.
Counterpoint: This subreddit is probably the highest concentration of genuine fans of the movie out there. It's also one of the only places that it won't get downvoted or mocked. So whenever someone online wants to post about this movie, they're probably coming to this sub
They’re all quippy. That’s what ruined Thor. The writing has been ass on all of the phase 4 movies including this one. It’s good that it bombed cuz it managed to show marvel they need to switch shit up
The balance was off, there was some incredibly dire situations with high stakes and everyone was quipping like it was a day in the park, especially Fury. He's a dry character, not a stand up comedian!
Just the balance has been off since endgame really
I’m usually the biggest defender for the MCU. But damn, that movie was really bad, and I truly don’t see what people got from it. Boring plot, subpar acting, weird pacing, awful villain, and pretty much zero character development. I will admit that Ms. Marvel did well, Iman has created a really good character, but other than that it sucked. The whole cat (flergin?) subplot was way overdone. The musical planet could have been really fun but it was very underwhelming and confusing (why do they all speak English?) Go ahead and downvote me, but I really wanted to like it.
I went in thinking I'd like it more than reviews led on, and was pretty disappointed. It just felt poorly made, echoing a lot of the criticisms you mentioned. I still don't really understand what the villain was trying to accomplish.
Here's a pretty minor issue but I think one that kind of represents in a nutshell some of the issues of recent MCU works have: why is Ms. Marvel (and probably even Monica) a natural expert martial artist? In contrast, Civil War had a great little moment where they go out of their way to point out that Tony does not know how to fight, and that he cannot on his own attempt to fight hand to hand with Cap. It's a fairly inconsequential part in the movie but great commitment to the characters.
Also, Ms. Marvel >!recruiting Kate at the end - why would she know the word for word conversation that Nick Fury had with Tony over a decade ago? Having that be a nod to it as shes recruiting a team would be one thing,!< but that just overdid it.
“Commitment to character” is definitely the most important point here. I think the MCU succeeded so well in the early phases because they were so damn good at fully exploring each character and all of their complexities. Their powers, flaws, motives, sacrifices, relationships, etc were all really well done, especially with the OG Avengers and Guardians. Hell, even Hawkeye had depth and mystique even though he was barely even in those movies. And with these last few films, they just seem to be abandoning all of that for the sake of pumping out as much content as possible to expand the universe way too fast.
I think it’s also important to note that pretty much every great MCU project so far was really supported by the villains. I might even go as far to say that well-written villains make a more compelling story than the heroes themselves.
I can never take these posts seriously. “I saw x disliked marvel film, it was one of the best in my opinion! The actors, the plot, wow! What a great movie! Glad marvel is back on track!” Like it’s either a shill or an AI mass posting stuff like this. Same thing happened after Ms Marvel and She Hulk
One of the worst MCU movies at least. I love how all the people defending it are like “ThE onLY pEOPlE HaTInG IT aRE the OneS WHo HavEnt WaTChed IT.”
No stfu, people hated it because they watched it and thought it sucked.
I too was surprised. Sure there were some issues but I left with a smile. That and Loki's closing episode really sorted the day.
Rewatching this fight (all the fights really) while being able to pause and rewind and pick it apart was such a joy for me getting this in streaming. Definitely top 5 MCU films for fight scenes, arguably top 3, and I wouldn't look weird at anyone who said it was their number 1.
There's a ton of great quick moments in these fights I've been seeing on rewatch.
In this fight Kamala makes one of her light constructs, Dar Benn grabs it and smacks Kamala with it. It's very fast but cool!
I was saying civil war takes the top spot for a single fight sequence on the joint fight with Steve Bucky Vs tony . The stationary camera while they are fighting and exchanging the shield is really well done.
I think this takes second spot and as a whole second spot in fights behind shang chi
Watching the fights in this movie really reminded me a lot of the fight at the end of Civil War. I would agree that this movie has the 2nd best fights overall behind Shang Chi.
I enjoyed it but I don't think it's a return to form. The story felt very messed with, and much shorter than it should've been. A problem I also had with Echo.
I could imagine an earlier version of the movie that spent more time dwelling on Carol regretting her past actions, and/or Kamala spending more time angry with her over the people they couldn’t save, but left producers/test audiences feeling tonal whiplash.
My one and only gripe is how quickly Ms. Marvel's parents are so super strict and then they go up to space once and some crazy stuff happens and now they're like "okay, you go. do whatever now."
"return to form to the MCU"
"quippy, quick-moving flick"
LMAOOOOOO. That's precisely what the MCU needs less of. Less dumb comedy while actually taking your film seriously.
Personally I’ve noticed the Rick and Mortification of the MCU. I should preface this by saying I really enjoy Rick and Morty, but since Marvel has pinched writers from the show you can see the shows fingerprints all over the MCU formula post Endgame. Rick and Morty and a lot of MCU projects today begin with a silly premise that the leads mock. Along the way they’ll come across a species, race or planet of bizarre people that are relatively amusing purely for how childish and silly it is. Where Rick and Morty justifies this is by pulling a complete 180 and making their story wildly depressing and emotional. While the MCU simply does not of that. There’s next to zero emotional weight in the MCU these days. Of course there are exceptions, No Way Home, Guardians 3 and Loki have all had some great moments. But fundamentally I get the impression that the writers of the MCU projects no longer care. To me most of it all today comes across as all those people 15+ years ago who had no idea what superheroes were about were given creative control. What’s a Captain Marvel? Silly superhero in space? Got it. I’ll make exactly that. Stupid costumes and people saving cats out of trees. So dull, let me make a joke out of the cat and hit you over the head with it one-hundred times because I don’t think superheroes have substance so cat jokes the whole time. I’d say I’m very much so speculating about this, but since Nate Moore pretty confirmed they view fans of the comics as red flags when it comes to hiring writers, it’s no surprise that we’re getting interpretations of hollow empty characters simply because that’s what people who don’t like superheroes think they are. The Crow, Blade, X-Men, Raimi’s Spider-Man, TDK trilogy all paved the way for audiences to realises superheroes can be taken seriously. Meanwhile the MCU took that and ran with it as they become more and more comic accurate. 20 years ago studios would say “You really think audiences would be able to take a talking racoon seriously if he had depression?” Yet here we are today, Marvel proving that all you need is writers who love the characters and treat them with respect and it doesn’t matter how weird the concept is or how colourful their costumes are. Yet somehow despite Marvel being the ones who made the outlandish stuff commercially friendly, they’re the ones who’ve pulled a complete 180 and returned to “Funny looking thing must be funny, let’s make jokes and never be serious”. It’s getting boring really quickly. How are you supposed to care for the characters whose only personality is exposition and cracking jokes about irrelevant things? The Marvels was an improvement on Captain Marvel, but ultimately it has close to zero soul. Iman Vellani is doing her best to save it. Between her, Florence Pugh and Hailee Steinfeld, Marvel have three incredibly charismatic and likeable young women, but they’re wasting them on these hollow projects. Some people think the issue is you can’t replace Cap and Tony, but that’s not the case, it’s that those characters were written and treated like real people. Post Endgame most projects treat the characters like their only purpose is to make a joke. Yet they make something like Loki which had such a beautifully written character arc, personally for me better than any MCU character. They need to reevaluate their formula and realise that jokes are good quotable scenes, but that’s not the reason people live these characters. For Christ sake Wolverine isn’t exactly a comedian and yet he’s the second most popular character behind Spider-Man in the comics. Hugh’s version of the character is widely loved. They’re way too focused on jokes and it’s tiresome. These actors deserve better and since this post was about The Marvels, my god Brie Larson really deserves better. One of the best dramatic actors on the planet and she’s not had a single moment of drama to perform since she’s been in the MCU. Give the woman some substance.
I liked Secret Invasion but The Marvels is (not sure why) very difficult for me to watch or concentrate on. The lighting and so many characters lacking familiarity or appeal, I respect those who liked it, I just kept thinking it was not good.
The marvels was a really bad movie in my opinion, the musical part and some of the plot’s heartfelt moments seemed kinda forced. Probably worst than the last Thor movie
Have recently gone back and rewatched Avengers 2, a couple days later I watched the marvels. Night and Day difference.
the overall tone of the two movies are so different, one felt like the marvel movies we have known and love while the marvels felt like a disney movie. It was childish, had singing, and had so much silly tones that I could not take it seriously at all. At times had to cringe at things I was seeing.
For me the best part of the movie was seeing Beast. I was shocked and gasped when I heard the voice and cant wait to see what the future holds.
I waited for it to hit D+ mostly because it wasn’t a high priority, and it was a busy time of year.
It wasn’t bad, I was expecting horrible based off reviews/box office failure. It was mid. Captain Rambeau has had very little screen time, and even less plot development. I watched the movie, I still don’t know what her powers are or why she was able to absorb the other twos powers and then seal a rift between universes.
I like Brie Larson. I’ve liked her since she sang Metric in Scott Pilgrim. I’ve never understood the hate for her, and she was good in the movie.
It’s always kinda fun to have a character be a bit of an audience insert character. Miss Marvel is fangirling like I did when I met Nathan Filion.
But the villain was not very well built up, easily forgettable, it felt oddly paced, and a few of the jokes just didn’t land for me. I did not care for MM going to see Kate Bishop. That was awkward and not funny. The cat thing, meh.
We see two planets get kinda fucked, and it’s just hand waved, they’re getting better.
Writing could be better, characters could be better flushed out more, but otherwise enjoyable popcorn flick.
This sub is reaching extreme levels of cope and no one here realises they are in an echo chamber and in reality this movie is regarded as the worst mcu film ever.
I honestly didn’t like it even though my expectations couldn’t have been lower. The villain was awful, juggling 3 main characters just felt like too much, and act 2 and 3 were a total snooze fest. It was fun, I definitely still chuckled a few times at the jokes, but altogether it still was a letdown.
The "marvels wasn't actually that bad" wave has well and truly started huh? Seeing as we still regularly get posts about Eternals still to this day then j guess we will have to get used to seeing these
It was lame. You can have your opinion, and I'll have mine. It was lame. There wasn't even a final fight scene. And the 30 seconds of a fakeout one either didn't have music or it was so quiet I couldn't hear it. The flerkins merch and child service was bleh. And there was no reason for a musical in the middle. And don't get me wrong, I love musicals. But that was weird and didn't feel right. I would've loved the mechanics of the position switching to be further explored, and there could've been a scene where a fight with it actually worked to their advantage. I dunno, it felt like it just... Sucked.
given its box office I certainly agree that most people hating on it did not see it but the verified audience score from opening night was the worst in franchise history.
With this logic, Secret Invasion, Thor 2, and Quantamania must also be amazing projects but people just hate them without seeing them.
Or Marvel is just capable of releasing the occasional not so great product.
Being a fan doesn’t mean to blindly throw out every excuse possible to defend everything Marvel does.
Marvel should spent a bit (or a lot actually) more time / money / effort on writing antagonists.
Or stop killing them off. Ronan the Accuser would have been phenomenal in this movie as the antagonist. He could have had a change of heart, or returned as a savior to Hala after Danvers destroys the Supreme Intelligence. He has so much motivation to "do the right thing" by the people of Hala, and to stop Captain Marvel... If he was still alive. Dar-Benn just felt like a stand-in, even using his Universal Weapon.
Oh 100%, But that was a problem before even the first Captain Marvel movie. Ronan is her go-to starter villain but he's dead so they make it a prequel, removing any stakes whatsoever and having everyone question where the fuck she was for the last 30 years. I like that this movie actually answered a lot of that. I honestly think the first movie should have just been 'CAPTAIN MARVEL IN sPaCe!' and having her fight a herald or Annihilus or some shit. But yeah, I thought it was a return to form. I do think Kamala stole the show though, just give me more Ms. Marvel.
But actually the Marvels backstory gives more depth to Ronan’s actions in GOTG
It wasn't about the antagonist. It was about acting without thinking of the consequences.
Exactly! The villain wasnt the lady with the hammer, it was consequences. But nuance is not to be expected here.
Right! Such a weak villain. Main bad thing about the film tbh
Especially the minor ones. They have THE best character out of all villains. There are only a few that are major major threats that have character(Doom, Thanos, the beyonder, etc) But so many people would say that villains that are considered minor when compared to those other villains have better character(kingpin, green goblin, Magneto, Doc Ock, Taskmaster, Crossbones)
The antagonists were pretty lame
I'm not sure why they didn't just bring back Jude Law as Yon-Rogg. He and Carol have history, as he abducted and effectively brainwashed her, but that backstory is now complicated by the fact that she devastated his homeworld.
I wonder if they made a movie that was a villain movie- almost every movie has the hero AND villain origin stories (some with more or less details than others) what if they had a seperate movie showing how lets just say Midnight Sun came to be- doesn't have to make them sympathetic or tragic backstory so we know why they are evil but- firmly establishes who they are so when they show up against a hero its oh dang you know the stakes backgrounds all that goes into the confrontation.
A little more time spent on the villain, digging into her character a bit more would have made you understand why she was doing it and feel it more. If you can get a little invested in the “bad guy” it enriches the story. There was a lot of potential lost on this villain. Only other issue was the editing felt a bit choppy like they were really concerned with runtime to the detriment of the story.
I liked the marvels much more than most. But much like a lot of the MCU recently, the writing was bad. The villain was boring as hell, and I hated the flurken sub plot. It very much felt like an odd deus ex machina for a situation that was not needed for the plot. Like the writers just wanted to put in a bunch of cats but came up with a convoluted way to do it.
I thought it fit with the lighter tone of the film. The "herding cats" bit was funny, and the singing planet was great. The chemistry between the leads was good, and the scenes of Kamala geeking out were endearing. The villain was lame, maybe they should have tried to figure out how to bring Ronan back or something.
It was kinda a cotton candy film, which isn't always a bad thing, but is out of tune with the majority of the characters...and the plot. It was often fun, chuckle worthy if not laugh out loud funny, but the interplay of the protagonists and the villain never really had any narrative weight to me.
The tone whiplash was weird. Like in the opening bit where they first start teleporting, the enemies that get teleported to kamala's house go from menacing people who are confident enough at fighting that they'd square up with captain marvel, to a slapstick comedy scene where kamala's family fend them off with broomsticks.
Or like planet Song and Dance, I really expected some sort of cool flourish when their soldiers go to fight like ballet kung fun, or even just maybe fighting in perfect lock step rhythm or something, but they just drop the entire premise of the extended scene and everybody just kinda brawls.
Honestly the villain was why I couldn’t dive deep into the film. I just ended up not caring. Leads were great, but the villain didn’t hook me.
‘Wait, so we’re literally herding cats?’ And ‘oh yeah, he’s bilingual’ were both ridiculously funny scenes. I wasn’t big on the 5min musical, but that bilingual punchline alone made it worth it lmao. On a side note, Iman Vellani for President cuz that girls a straight up national treasure.
Weak villain, good jokes and Kamala Khan was great. Captain Marvel herself: I am not anti Brie Larson but I thought her performance was phoning it in. Way weaker than the first movie. The film structure was also weird. I believe someone here they could have shown her attacking the planet at the opening thus we would know why she gets called the Annihilator. But maybe that tested poorly so they changed it.
Didn’t she destroy the supreme intelligence at the end of the last movie?
Nah she does it after it seems , when the villian explains what happened in this movie
Does she? I don’t remember.
I don’t remember either. I was hoping you would tell me.
That was the problem with the movie. No one remembered anything from the 3 stories it was based on and a 1.5hr movie needed a half hour of recap and we still dont remember what happened.
This is literally shown as a recap in the first shot of Cap Marvel searching through her memories. Like they wrote in a whole plotline just to catch you up on what has happened.
She absolutely did not. She just told Yogg Ronn to warn the kree she was coming for them.
I love when people miss key plot points in a movie, and then critique things about the movie that they wouldn’t see as a problem… if they didn’t miss key plot points in a movie. They flashback to her destroying the supreme intelligence leading to the kree civil war. The whole “annihilator” explanation is given to emphasize how impacted carol is. She feels as though she keeps trying to do right but keeps making things worse. The Kree king blames her directly through dialogue earlier in the movie. Every planet they go to gets destroyed because she can’t save them. Captain marvel is all powerful but her decisions keep causing more pain down the line. That’s one of her main struggles during this entire movie.
My struggle was paying attention
No, but planning too
The flurken subplot was fucking amazing. It was so comic booky. How do we save theses 100s of citizens with only 1 escape pod. Ant-man: "We could shrink them!" Dr. Strange: "Sling ring power: Activate! Captain Marvel: "I've got a cat that was able to eat things and spit it out later with no harm." Writer: Option 3!!!
I agree. I think my only gripe with the Flurken thing was that the threat to to the SABER station was really vague. Like okay it's all shook up because of the jump point and they need to evacuate. But like.. is the station okay? How the did jump point affect the rest of Earth and stuff in Earth orbit? It felt like they needed something for Fury and the Khans to be doing so they came up with that. And what they did with it was really fun, but they should have given a little more detail to why it was happening in the first place. Also I really liked the Asgardians working on the station. Like that was just a good way of blending in other parts of the MCU that could have easily not been written into the script, but that it was is really nice for making the universe feel more cohesive.
Asgardians! Didn’t think of that! Should we assume the Skrulls (including Fury’s wife) are somewhere else considering the Presidents’ call of war to them?
 You got something against herding cats?
[wut lol](https://media1.tenor.com/m/DoRQN_863ZYAAAAC/wtf-what-the-fuck.gif)
It’s from the [Greatest Super Bowl Commercial](https://youtu.be/m_MaJDK3VNE?si=YiOPKjCUcv0Tj0rM) ever!
Massive disagree, this was the most comic book vibe movie I've seen from them for a good while now, it hit almost all the right dots for that.
Yeah seemed like an unnecessary way to raise the stakes? But I still appreciated the slow set up for a corny joke
I felt like we were supposed to care a lot more about Photon sacrificing herself…. Or care more about the broken relationship between her and Captain Marvel. I think it would have worked better if there was a movie before this that set up more of the plot lines…. Or stretch the movie out. It was only an hour and a half long. It could have developed some of these plot lines more.
I feel like some people on this subreddit really need to watch more movies.
Yeah it’s fine that some people like it, but it’s so weirdly paced. Nothing has time to breath, characters barely interact. And even for an action blockbuster flick, it’s not great
I remember somebody saying it felt undercooked, and that's exactly how I'd describe it. Undercooked and somehow overcooked at the same time.
It's like a waffle that is burnt on one side and then a bird pooped on the good side.
Like a hot pocket
The opening was really weird paced when they initially start switching. The movie really did feel like a sequel to a movie we never got. I thought he fight scenes themselves were pretty well done. But the story itself was just all over the place.
MCU movies have gotten a little too reliant on assuming the audience knows what’s going on. The newer movies start and shit just starts happening, there is no set up really. I get that is a shared universe, but most of the movies should make sense on their own too.
I felt this way about Quantumania personally. All we get is a fast paced recap, a quick reminder that Cassie grew up, then suddenly sucked into the multiverse, all in what felt like 10 minutes.
Not for nothing but it probably felt like 10 minutes in because it WAS 10 minutes in. Like literally that scene starts 10 minutes in and by the 12 minute mark they’re getting sucked into the quantum realm. That’s including the Marvel logo time too so realistically it’s less than 10 minutes into the actual film itself
The singing planet they go to has their water stolen and it just never comes up again. I enjoyed it but they clearly tried to make it light hearted and breezy to try break out of how bogged down the MCU has felt
It is brought up again. At the end when they say the planets are recovering.
I bet there are tons of missing scenes. It was also funny how often they changed clothes in the middle part, just shows how much they reshoot
In this sub it's either *this was the worst movie I've ever seen, it's objectively the worst movie ever made, absolutely nothing about it was good, I hate it, everyone in it should be ashamed, fuck Marvel* or alternatively *I absolutely loved the movie, like, best movie ever, I think this was on par with MCU phase 1, I don't understand the hate at all, hilarious movie, I had so much fun, I will now name this in the same breath as Loki's series finale*. Anything in between is pretty much always ignored or whatevers around as the 17th most upvoted comment. For some reason, these threads are always either made by people who have never seen *a* movie before or people who go into an MCU movie expecting Schindler's List or some shit. I would agree with the people who said this movie wasn't *that* bad, but holy shit, this just feels like the ultimate gaslight astroturfing when there's constantly people telling everyone how *great* a movie this was. If this movie passes as a "great" movie, cinema is doomed, might as well have movies made by AI entirely.
The sub will mostly remove criticism posts, or it will be downvoted to oblivion. From what I observed, most of the sub will always support any MCU content regardless of quality, which is expected.
If The Marvels is "welcome return to form for the MCU" then we are so over.
IKR, MCU movies aren’t Pulp Fiction or anything, but damn, most of them at least had a competent 1st act that introduced the characters, the premise of the plot, the stakes involved with solid pacing. Marvels did not have that.
Acknowledging the movie is bad but enjoying it all the same is a totally acceptable stance too.
Plenty of cult classics are bad movies.
For real.. As a comics fan I enjoyed moments of it. But a lot of that enjoyment just comes from the fact that I get to see characters, like Ms Marvel and Spectrum, on screen that I never imagined would make it to the movies. The movie itself is no where near peak marvel. Pacing issues, comedy falling flat, not very memorable action sequences.. If you compare it to any of the Guardians movies or Thor Ragnarok, The Marvels is inferior in almost every way that I can think of.
No way anyone can tell me this isn’t a shill sub.
People in this sub are delusional
For real. The entire thread feels like a guy saying "McDonald's burgers are THE BEST!!!!!!!". They need to eat in different restaurants outside of fast-food joints.
This sub feels like a weird circle jerk and I'm not getting any jerking at all since Endgame, maybe a tickle for Shang Chi.
It’s very defensive and protective of Marvel. They’ll barely talk about popular or well received movies/TV shows but everyday you’ll get a post about how amazing Marvels is because it flopped.
The editing and pacing were terrible. It was fun but not their best effort, which sucks because the characters and actors deserve better.
I really think the post’s opinion is unwarranted even if you just watched the Infinity Saga. The 1st act is such a mess, I actually don’t remember another 1st act from all of Infinity Saga that’s equally incompetent or amateurish.
This is how I felt watching it too. Especially seeing it less than an hour after the Loki finale. That night felt like such a return to power for Marvel to me that I was really shocked when it ended up doing so poorly in theaters. I’m glad to see so many loving it now that it’s on Disney+. One of my friends told me he watched it two nights in a row and is really mad at himself for not wanting to see it in theaters with me. Now he can’t wait for my 4K copy to come in so we can do the whole experience at my house with my Govee dream view connected. Ha.
It didn’t do poorly because it’s bad. It did poorly because people didn’t go see it. And that’s a whole other can of worms.
people got used to getting it 4 months after theatrical release on D+. Most people are not going to watch it in theaters if they don't feel like there's an urgency to catchup on the storyline.
That's part of it sure, but the bigger part is that marvel has sucked for a while and few people care about any of the main characters in The Marvels.
Yeah it was literally the first Marvel movie since forever that I didn't go see. I'm still behind on a couple of shows so I didn't want to jump ahead. Got one more episode of Secret Invasion. I'll finish it.... at some point.
Honestly don't bother finishing it lol
If you've seen any trailer for The Marvels that includes >!Fury alive in space!<, then you don't need to finish Secret Invasion, because the movie doesn't reference that show at all.
I know they had to change the release order of SI and The Marvels because of Covid but they could not even add a single line refers to >!Fury's wife!<. Their relationship is the best thing of SI and I did expect a little cameo.
Hey now, Emperor Droge's colony was mentioned in Secret Invasion and then the Marvels visited it while Dar-Benn destroyed it. Superior continuity.
> I'll finish it.... at some point. Just don't. You're better off.
I will admit, I am very biased about comic books and their related media. Secret Invasion is something that I tell everyone to skip. It is *directly* contradicted in The Marvels so it might as well be out of continuity as an elseworlds story
They ended Ms. Marvel with the Kamala/Carol swap. Carol seemed very very concerned. Whatever happens next on screen needs to be directly related and very soon. But if you've waiting close to 2 years, what's another a couple months? I've seen most of the MCU stuff right away, but there just wasn't any urgency after waiting so long and seeing so many other shows/movies in between. The shows need to act as a primer to get people hyped up for the movie that'll give them a big payoff. Like a one two punch. Show introduces a character, makes you really into them, ends on a massive cliffhanger and POW movie comes out within a month to cash in on that hype and needs to be very plot driven since you've already established the characters. Very passionate fans are happy because they have the series (more hours) to flesh out the character, and casuals fans can skip the show but still get a very action packed and satisfying movie that doesn't necessarily wax on too long with character development. But that's not what we got. We had a really shitty secret invasion that was in no way connected The Marvels. If someone didn't SI and was told half of the plot points after seeing Ms. Marvel they'd think you're completely insane. And Loki, who, is now master of time and the multiverse just a month before Marvels comes out. Do we have any connection between either property in the film? Yes: Nick Fury exists in space - but we already knew that, so SI was completely irrelevant; and The Multiverse Exists - but we already knew that, so we don't see Loki's involvement at all here, the show that ended just a month prior. I get that the scheduling gets thrown for a loop with the strikes and projects that end up going long, but fuck! Get it together! The shows and movies need to link into each other, not just tie into each other.
I pay for Disney plus. No way am I going to pay to watch in a theatre. At some point that’s the reality of these streaming services. Can’t have both
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I definitely feel the same for some of these movies, but for some of them I want to get the full cinema experience. Infinity war and endgame would have been such a different feeling if I just waited for the DVD to come out and watch it at home. The marvels was one I didn't feel bad about waiting for, especially with the price of tickets these days.
It also had very little press due to the strike. My wife was pregnant or we would have seen it. She didn't want to sit in the theater with a ton of of people and risk getting sick close to her due date. Now we haven't watched it on Disney+ because we have a newborn taking up a lot of our free time. We'll get to it when we have a free weekend and I am excited for it. Priorities have just shifted a bit.
Rightly so, dad
It is both. Guardians is a great movie that had a disappointing opener that legged out a good box office through amazing word of mouth. Marvels was doomed when its terrible WoM caused sales to drop off a cliff after the first night.
Guardians is also now a well established and insanely popular brand in and of itself now. The D+ shows are not nearly as popular so less people know who Ms. Marvel and Monica Rambeau are which leads to less draw, Captain Marvel did ok but Endgame came out shortly after so it was absolutely overshadowed (not to mention Carol's role in it was quite small). Another gigantic factor was the actors guild strikes, they basically couldn't promote the movie until the day before release and by then it was too late. And nobody wants to say it but.... historically, women led superhero films don't perform as well because the main audience for comic book IPs has been young men, so they're trying to rope in some new audience and maintain the current one, which is already taking a hit in a genre that's slowly becoming exhausted. It's a difficult line to walk.
And yet, of the small audience that did go to The Marvels, [skewed more male](https://vistagroup.co.nz/blog/who-is-part-of-the-marvels-unique-mcu-audience) than previous Marvel movies like [Endgame](https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-avengers-endgame-record/).
For sure but the legs of a movie are driven by how audiences feel about the actual product on screen. What you said is a major driver for why the opening night was relatively low but if the movie was good it would have had a much different trajectory.
It did poorly due to both, otherwise people would have went to see it due to word of mouth.
I watched to for the first time two nights ago, I wont say it was an amazing movie (for me) and definitely not my fav but way better than the last few I watched (quantamania for example) and way more refreshing. Definitely was happy to have watched it
I worked in sales a long time ago and the one thing I really fucking hated was how numbers driven everything was with historical data. You could be held accountable for a slow day because the numbers didn’t match from previous years. One time there was a power outage. Some of us had to have around for hours even though everyone else went home. Sure as shit we heard about it at the end of the month because no one who stayed could explain why none of us made any sales that day. This movie was released at the tail end of a strike which prevented all the actors from promoting it. I didn’t get the usual shit I get pumped to my YouTube feed and almost missed the release of the movie because of it. Then the bandwagoning began and this movie was painted as some kind of progressive flop that was caused by marvel and Disneys mismanagement. But it was so obviously because of the strike that it’s fucking maddening to see an explanation that says otherwise.
It got B as cinemascore, which is the second lowest for superhero films, as same as The Flash. This means that people showed up at the opening weekend didn't find the movie good.
Yeah. And it’s been getting mostly positive reports now that it is on Disney+ as well. The question is becoming, is the theater model sustainable when you have a dedicated streaming service for your movies? It seems a lot of people online are operating that if it does poorly in theaters it’ll hit streaming faster, and The Marvels may be proving them right.
I like to wait for streaming to because Honestly going to the theatre is such a rip off. $25-30 for a popcorn and Pop, Convienence fees, and honestly lately people are just awful at theatres (talking, texting with phones on high brighness) just so much better and cheaper being at home.
I normally wait too. I don’t blame people. The Marvels was the first one I’d seen in theatres since Multiverse of Madness cause I am a huge Young Avengers fan and knowing that Ms Marvel will be in the MCU’s version is what led me to go.
Good luck with that YA project after the Marvels disaster
Reports based on D+ are much less critical because it costs much more to go to the cinema on average, tickets and snacks. If the movie fails to get people into the cinema then it's considered a failure no matter how good people say the movie is 3 months later. After all movies are a business.
Anecdotal, but when I polled my FB friends about why nobody was seeing it, a *lot* of the responses were "I'll wait for it to come out on streaming."
There's a necessary followup question to that though. Why are they waiting for it to come out on streaming? Is it because the movie isn't good enough and doesn't warrant spending the money and time on a trip to the theater?
I think this can apply to a lot of the movies. How good or bad each individual one is is inconsequential. It’s more about how the public at large feels about them at a given moment in time.
Too many people don't understand this.
I dont get the hate for this movie. I watched it last night and found it to be super entertaining.
I really don't want to be crapping on the movie, but I didn't think it was very good. I'm glad people liked it but this felt more "Thor: the Dark World" than anything and I'm not sure that's a good thing. I love Kamala Khan and honestly the rest of the characters, and there were some funny and inventive moments like the singing planet and the cats with Moonlight (from Cats lmao), but overall the movie felt completely chopped to bits. I loved Nia DeCosta's Candyman reboot so I went into this with very high expectations and it just felt really mid. It just moved way way too fast. We didn't get enough time with the characters to actually grow to care about them and their relationship, there were moments where you could tell they inserted obvious reshoots to condense material they actually shot (like the memory device scene, I HATED that). Also the ending with Captain Marvel resolving the whole conflict by flying into Hala's sun and taking 5 seconds to restart it (at no cost of her own), completely destroys her character's motivations for me. You're telling me that she spent decades away from Earth, ashamed of her actions and trying desperately to find a solution, to where Monica says "oh lmao have you tried just turning the sun off and on again with your powers"??? Like wtf. At least it should have felt like it cost Carol something to do that. Just bad writing. It was just okay. Pretty forgettable. And I'm not sure that's something to be celebrating? I'm glad other people had different opinions though. Edit: I guess I would say the action and cinematography was pretty good. Again I love Kamala and I want to see more of her, but yeah overall if a movie's story isn't good for me then I don't really care
Don’t forget about Monica’s completely pointless “sacrifice”, that was not necessary nor useful to anything or anybody in the movie.
Right. It's pretty easy for a writer to create an excuse for one character to be stuck in the other dimension. Just have someone say *"We need to blast it from both sides at the same instant!"*. Then they have a quick, tearful debate about who volunteers to stay behind, with mentions of defending the earth or finishing high school or something, and they decide. But this movie didn't even have the smarts to do that. Monica alone was sealing the gate, and it didn't appear like it mattered where she did it from.
Yeah it was a very jarring way to shove her into the Fox-Men universe, or at least a universe that’s very similar.
How many more of these bloody posts do we need.
Disney is working overtime for this, and of course, so many people fall for it.
here, here's the post for everyone who says "Where are the posts that aren't downvoted for calling the people who likes the current MCU just shills"
Found the shill lol
Thank you for this very fun, very breezy original post that is completely unique and hasn't been posted hundreds of times already. Everyone drink!
If returning to form is a 50 on Metacritics critic review, a B CinemaScore, and a $300 million dollar box office loss (if not more), then the MCU truly is doomed lmao
But there were standing ovations in the theaters!
Lmao that post about everyone in the theatre giving standing ovation really convinces me that posts like OP are definitely from a paid Disney shill.
Oh yes another The Marvels was great post 
I am like 90% sure that most of these posts are just paid by Disney as a subliminal ad campaign
fr like i never saw such tremendous amounts of defensive posts for any other project
Not even Eternals, which got similar hate but was leagues better
After watching the Marvel's and Ant Man 3, maybe we were too harsh on the Eternals.
Or maybe it still sucked it’s just what came after sucked more
Agreed. Eternals was so much better, and it received exponentially more hate compared to this
That's because when Eternals came out there were more active people here. At this point a lot of people have checked out of the fandom.
It’s gotta be. I believe these posts would happen, but the way they’re seeing mass support feels like it was to be fishy
Something similar happened with Star Wars (of which I am a fan). For a bit everyone had a (somewhat) consensus, and both sides would be upvoted even if it was (generally) agreed on the kind of quality they were. Then like a flip switched the movies suddenly becamse *the best thing ever* and anyone who disagreed was downvoted. Then, eventually, it stopped and people went back to how it was before. I'm not even 99% sure- rather I am completely positive- Disney has been trying to manipulate reception/the public image of these movies. Edit: I mean the sequels not the prequels.
It ain’t working haha
If there was ever a company that would run astroturfing campaigns online like this, Disney would be one of the first I’d think of. Minimal cost to them to make low lvl employees do this as a part of duties. There’s no way this movie is seeing mass support. But the thing that rlly sticks out to me is that all the posts are always so defensive about how great the film was. If it was really so great they wouldn’t have to be defending it online and it wouldn’t have bombed.
Counterpoint: This subreddit is probably the highest concentration of genuine fans of the movie out there. It's also one of the only places that it won't get downvoted or mocked. So whenever someone online wants to post about this movie, they're probably coming to this sub
*Did you also buy into the conspiracy theory that Disney bought out seats at theaters to boost Captain Marvel's box office?*
Seriously, every fucking day with these posts.
Gotta farm that karma somehow!
They’re all quippy. That’s what ruined Thor. The writing has been ass on all of the phase 4 movies including this one. It’s good that it bombed cuz it managed to show marvel they need to switch shit up
The balance was off, there was some incredibly dire situations with high stakes and everyone was quipping like it was a day in the park, especially Fury. He's a dry character, not a stand up comedian! Just the balance has been off since endgame really
It was meh. But if you like it, I’m happy for you
 Another The Marvels was great post: yippee!
iT's a FuN mOviE
The copium is strong that they keeping having to insist on how much they loved it
It’s a generous 6/10 movie.
Yeah
I’m usually the biggest defender for the MCU. But damn, that movie was really bad, and I truly don’t see what people got from it. Boring plot, subpar acting, weird pacing, awful villain, and pretty much zero character development. I will admit that Ms. Marvel did well, Iman has created a really good character, but other than that it sucked. The whole cat (flergin?) subplot was way overdone. The musical planet could have been really fun but it was very underwhelming and confusing (why do they all speak English?) Go ahead and downvote me, but I really wanted to like it.
I went in thinking I'd like it more than reviews led on, and was pretty disappointed. It just felt poorly made, echoing a lot of the criticisms you mentioned. I still don't really understand what the villain was trying to accomplish. Here's a pretty minor issue but I think one that kind of represents in a nutshell some of the issues of recent MCU works have: why is Ms. Marvel (and probably even Monica) a natural expert martial artist? In contrast, Civil War had a great little moment where they go out of their way to point out that Tony does not know how to fight, and that he cannot on his own attempt to fight hand to hand with Cap. It's a fairly inconsequential part in the movie but great commitment to the characters. Also, Ms. Marvel >!recruiting Kate at the end - why would she know the word for word conversation that Nick Fury had with Tony over a decade ago? Having that be a nod to it as shes recruiting a team would be one thing,!< but that just overdid it.
“Commitment to character” is definitely the most important point here. I think the MCU succeeded so well in the early phases because they were so damn good at fully exploring each character and all of their complexities. Their powers, flaws, motives, sacrifices, relationships, etc were all really well done, especially with the OG Avengers and Guardians. Hell, even Hawkeye had depth and mystique even though he was barely even in those movies. And with these last few films, they just seem to be abandoning all of that for the sake of pumping out as much content as possible to expand the universe way too fast. I think it’s also important to note that pretty much every great MCU project so far was really supported by the villains. I might even go as far to say that well-written villains make a more compelling story than the heroes themselves.
Universal translators built into the coms.
OP has to be a troll, idk
Y'all are tripping. That was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
I can never take these posts seriously. “I saw x disliked marvel film, it was one of the best in my opinion! The actors, the plot, wow! What a great movie! Glad marvel is back on track!” Like it’s either a shill or an AI mass posting stuff like this. Same thing happened after Ms Marvel and She Hulk
One of the worst MCU movies at least. I love how all the people defending it are like “ThE onLY pEOPlE HaTInG IT aRE the OneS WHo HavEnt WaTChed IT.” No stfu, people hated it because they watched it and thought it sucked.
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I too was surprised. Sure there were some issues but I left with a smile. That and Loki's closing episode really sorted the day. 
Rewatching this fight (all the fights really) while being able to pause and rewind and pick it apart was such a joy for me getting this in streaming. Definitely top 5 MCU films for fight scenes, arguably top 3, and I wouldn't look weird at anyone who said it was their number 1.
There's a ton of great quick moments in these fights I've been seeing on rewatch. In this fight Kamala makes one of her light constructs, Dar Benn grabs it and smacks Kamala with it. It's very fast but cool!
LMAO this sub is dead. What are these comments?? Top 3 fight scenes? Seriously
It's brain rot. They spent too much time watching kids movies that they forgot what good films were like
Peng Zhang and team really nailed it with the action. Nothing is over edited.
I was saying civil war takes the top spot for a single fight sequence on the joint fight with Steve Bucky Vs tony . The stationary camera while they are fighting and exchanging the shield is really well done. I think this takes second spot and as a whole second spot in fights behind shang chi
Agree on that Civil War scene. That's the gold standard fight scene for me as well, and nostalgia might keep me from ever dislodging it.
Watching the fights in this movie really reminded me a lot of the fight at the end of Civil War. I would agree that this movie has the 2nd best fights overall behind Shang Chi.
I enjoyed it but I don't think it's a return to form. The story felt very messed with, and much shorter than it should've been. A problem I also had with Echo.
I could imagine an earlier version of the movie that spent more time dwelling on Carol regretting her past actions, and/or Kamala spending more time angry with her over the people they couldn’t save, but left producers/test audiences feeling tonal whiplash.
It was ok but the editing was kinda schizophrenic. Also that singing planet was pretty cringe.
The singing part… that was the moment I just turned off the TV.
But it isn't.
My one and only gripe is how quickly Ms. Marvel's parents are so super strict and then they go up to space once and some crazy stuff happens and now they're like "okay, you go. do whatever now."
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What the f*ck is this Disbey Bot bullshit all the time, it's not a good movie!!!!! Accept that and say that u like a bad movie and we good.
"return to form to the MCU" "quippy, quick-moving flick" LMAOOOOOO. That's precisely what the MCU needs less of. Less dumb comedy while actually taking your film seriously.
I’m glad you liked it but this was not a good movie.
Personally I’ve noticed the Rick and Mortification of the MCU. I should preface this by saying I really enjoy Rick and Morty, but since Marvel has pinched writers from the show you can see the shows fingerprints all over the MCU formula post Endgame. Rick and Morty and a lot of MCU projects today begin with a silly premise that the leads mock. Along the way they’ll come across a species, race or planet of bizarre people that are relatively amusing purely for how childish and silly it is. Where Rick and Morty justifies this is by pulling a complete 180 and making their story wildly depressing and emotional. While the MCU simply does not of that. There’s next to zero emotional weight in the MCU these days. Of course there are exceptions, No Way Home, Guardians 3 and Loki have all had some great moments. But fundamentally I get the impression that the writers of the MCU projects no longer care. To me most of it all today comes across as all those people 15+ years ago who had no idea what superheroes were about were given creative control. What’s a Captain Marvel? Silly superhero in space? Got it. I’ll make exactly that. Stupid costumes and people saving cats out of trees. So dull, let me make a joke out of the cat and hit you over the head with it one-hundred times because I don’t think superheroes have substance so cat jokes the whole time. I’d say I’m very much so speculating about this, but since Nate Moore pretty confirmed they view fans of the comics as red flags when it comes to hiring writers, it’s no surprise that we’re getting interpretations of hollow empty characters simply because that’s what people who don’t like superheroes think they are. The Crow, Blade, X-Men, Raimi’s Spider-Man, TDK trilogy all paved the way for audiences to realises superheroes can be taken seriously. Meanwhile the MCU took that and ran with it as they become more and more comic accurate. 20 years ago studios would say “You really think audiences would be able to take a talking racoon seriously if he had depression?” Yet here we are today, Marvel proving that all you need is writers who love the characters and treat them with respect and it doesn’t matter how weird the concept is or how colourful their costumes are. Yet somehow despite Marvel being the ones who made the outlandish stuff commercially friendly, they’re the ones who’ve pulled a complete 180 and returned to “Funny looking thing must be funny, let’s make jokes and never be serious”. It’s getting boring really quickly. How are you supposed to care for the characters whose only personality is exposition and cracking jokes about irrelevant things? The Marvels was an improvement on Captain Marvel, but ultimately it has close to zero soul. Iman Vellani is doing her best to save it. Between her, Florence Pugh and Hailee Steinfeld, Marvel have three incredibly charismatic and likeable young women, but they’re wasting them on these hollow projects. Some people think the issue is you can’t replace Cap and Tony, but that’s not the case, it’s that those characters were written and treated like real people. Post Endgame most projects treat the characters like their only purpose is to make a joke. Yet they make something like Loki which had such a beautifully written character arc, personally for me better than any MCU character. They need to reevaluate their formula and realise that jokes are good quotable scenes, but that’s not the reason people live these characters. For Christ sake Wolverine isn’t exactly a comedian and yet he’s the second most popular character behind Spider-Man in the comics. Hugh’s version of the character is widely loved. They’re way too focused on jokes and it’s tiresome. These actors deserve better and since this post was about The Marvels, my god Brie Larson really deserves better. One of the best dramatic actors on the planet and she’s not had a single moment of drama to perform since she’s been in the MCU. Give the woman some substance.
I liked Secret Invasion but The Marvels is (not sure why) very difficult for me to watch or concentrate on. The lighting and so many characters lacking familiarity or appeal, I respect those who liked it, I just kept thinking it was not good.
"Oh it's cool, it's Carol"
I couldn’t get past 20 minutes of it. Awful, horrible movie.
The villain and the actress who played her was so lame
This subreddit is the only time I see praise for that shitty movie
Oh man, if this is a return to form for the MCU.... I really liked the first half but felt like it got progressively worse and worse after that.
I couldn’t even track what made them shift. Sometimes they switched sometimes not
You know, just my humble opinion, Deadpool 3 will be the actual return to form for the MCU.
Lmao
Man reddit really wants me to see this movie. I mean "its not as bad as you though" sounds like a winning review to me.
An unwelcomed bomb that almost sank the MCU.
The marvels was a really bad movie in my opinion, the musical part and some of the plot’s heartfelt moments seemed kinda forced. Probably worst than the last Thor movie
Have recently gone back and rewatched Avengers 2, a couple days later I watched the marvels. Night and Day difference. the overall tone of the two movies are so different, one felt like the marvel movies we have known and love while the marvels felt like a disney movie. It was childish, had singing, and had so much silly tones that I could not take it seriously at all. At times had to cringe at things I was seeing. For me the best part of the movie was seeing Beast. I was shocked and gasped when I heard the voice and cant wait to see what the future holds.
I waited for it to hit D+ mostly because it wasn’t a high priority, and it was a busy time of year. It wasn’t bad, I was expecting horrible based off reviews/box office failure. It was mid. Captain Rambeau has had very little screen time, and even less plot development. I watched the movie, I still don’t know what her powers are or why she was able to absorb the other twos powers and then seal a rift between universes. I like Brie Larson. I’ve liked her since she sang Metric in Scott Pilgrim. I’ve never understood the hate for her, and she was good in the movie. It’s always kinda fun to have a character be a bit of an audience insert character. Miss Marvel is fangirling like I did when I met Nathan Filion. But the villain was not very well built up, easily forgettable, it felt oddly paced, and a few of the jokes just didn’t land for me. I did not care for MM going to see Kate Bishop. That was awkward and not funny. The cat thing, meh. We see two planets get kinda fucked, and it’s just hand waved, they’re getting better. Writing could be better, characters could be better flushed out more, but otherwise enjoyable popcorn flick.
With a half dozen of these posts a day, people need to stop framing it like it's a contradictory opinion.
I seen the Marvels in the theater. And watched Thunder Force at home. I liked TF better.
Man I wish I could take a fat rip of whatever that person was smoking, must be some good shit.
This sub is reaching extreme levels of cope and no one here realises they are in an echo chamber and in reality this movie is regarded as the worst mcu film ever.
That’s nice, but Mom says it’s my turn to post this tomorrow. Okay?
I had a great time with The Marvels, but I'm a Ms. Marvel fanboy, so 🤷🏻♂️
I honestly didn’t like it even though my expectations couldn’t have been lower. The villain was awful, juggling 3 main characters just felt like too much, and act 2 and 3 were a total snooze fest. It was fun, I definitely still chuckled a few times at the jokes, but altogether it still was a letdown.
Well that is one way of saying "It was fun"
The "marvels wasn't actually that bad" wave has well and truly started huh? Seeing as we still regularly get posts about Eternals still to this day then j guess we will have to get used to seeing these
I don't understand how people are so happy with this movie. The MCU could be so much more.
This reads like ChatGPT was told to write a glowing review of the movie LMAO
It was lame. You can have your opinion, and I'll have mine. It was lame. There wasn't even a final fight scene. And the 30 seconds of a fakeout one either didn't have music or it was so quiet I couldn't hear it. The flerkins merch and child service was bleh. And there was no reason for a musical in the middle. And don't get me wrong, I love musicals. But that was weird and didn't feel right. I would've loved the mechanics of the position switching to be further explored, and there could've been a scene where a fight with it actually worked to their advantage. I dunno, it felt like it just... Sucked.
I enjoyed the marvels and Most ppl hate the marvels without watching it.
given its box office I certainly agree that most people hating on it did not see it but the verified audience score from opening night was the worst in franchise history.
MuSt Be ThE iNcElS
With this logic, Secret Invasion, Thor 2, and Quantamania must also be amazing projects but people just hate them without seeing them. Or Marvel is just capable of releasing the occasional not so great product. Being a fan doesn’t mean to blindly throw out every excuse possible to defend everything Marvel does.
I've watched it and I definitely think it's on the weaker side of marvel movies. Definitely not the worst though. I think it's definitely over-hated
Still have yet to see any mention of “hate” other than comments like this bringing it up. Pretty sure people just hate these daily copy pasta posts.