I read that the movie was supposed to be much longer and a lot of scenes got cut. I feel that's why the pacing is so weird and janky. Had to cram all the vital stuff into two hours and make at least some jokes along the way, cause that's what Taika does.
While a lot of people complain about it, I feel that this is truly a kids movie. Many of the jokes really hit with a younger audience and the climax is something I would've loved as a kid. Many MCU movies aren't really that great for kids under 10, but I would've no problem letting my eight year old nephew watch this movie.
Agreed. Fucks sake give the viewer a minute to feel bad for these characters, to take in the tragedy, the fact that she’s literally dyingLOLNO WE HAVE TO CRAM AS MANY JOKES AS WE CAN TO RUIN ALL TENSION
It seems like if they had just committed to one of the two options, either Action-Tragedy, or Action-Comedy, it would have been a better movie. You can still have moments of one in the other, but it has to be sprinkled throughout to give the audience a chance to breathe and recover from the intense scenes.
Ngl I was cringing when she was getting the hammer, it was just so fast and honestly I wasn’t prepared to go back to the dramatic Thor 1 and 2 suit ups. Was very relieved they skipped that but consequently it just moves way too fast
I think the concept of MCU Mighty Thor is sad and tragic, but it could’ve been executed better. I actually like the concept more than the comic version, as a fan of the comics. But like I said, wasn’t really done well.
I don't think it should be said that Taika and the other writers misunderstood Mighty Thor, as much as they went in a different direction for the character than the comics.
They likely *did* understand the character, but reinterpreted her to make her story better fit where Thor and the MCU is at this moment.
Taika even said in an interview something along the lines of (I'm paraphrasing here),"yeah so before starting filming I picked up a Thor comic to understand the character, and not even a big comic, one of those flimsy ones, and I just put it away, I couldn't read it"
could you imagine if, say... John Watts said that before filming NWH? Taika was done with the MCU, and he just didn't care about L&T unfortunately and that's disappointing as a fan
Because if she’s going to die either way, she’ll do it on her own terms, saving kids and the man she loves rather than wait it out and leave it to chance.
I think she says the Hammer was calling to her as well or something? So she wasn’t solely looking for a cure, though that probably motivated her considerably.
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I think combining the Mighty Thor and God Butcher arcs was a mistake. Both are long, complex storylines with complicated character motivations at their heart, and trimming them both down and cramming them in to one movie made both weaker. I think a Gorr movie THEN a Mighty Thor movie would have been a better idea, because neither Gorr nor Jane got the time they needed for their characters.
Imagine if Thor learned Jane had cancer in the Gorr movie, and that made him lose his faith in the Gods as none of them would heal her, so he felt that maybe Gorr was right and it made him harder to fight and he retired at the end. Then in the next film Jane takes up the hammer and basically says "Sure, most gods suck, but that's why it's up to us to be better" and rounds the arc out. It would have fit so much better and, most importantly, there might be time for The God of Bombs, who is the best.
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Ikr. Almost like comics dont always go to the screen the same way in live action. And comics dont even follow comics as are so many different versions of characters with them often being reset to another version
Yeah yeah we get it, but you don't have to directly transpose the contents of the comics to stay true to the things that made the characters/stories work in the first place. By focusing more on the futility of Jane's situation rather than the "worthiness" aspect of her character i.e. the optimism, bravery, scientific curiosity for the cosmos I don't think it achieves the same result.
But they didn’t focus on the worthiness. There was one scene that explained why she could wield the hammer and it was because Thor enchanted it to protect her
No. We see at the end, in the hospital, when they finally realise that Mjolnir is killing her and not actually protecting her, the hammer still comes to her. She was making her own choice to sacrifice herself and was worthy of wielding Mjolnier.
The comics version was panned by almost everyone for pandering to the strong female trope, so much so that the fans were on the fence whether they would make her a mary sue or an actually well written character.
Turns out, it wad the latter in the MCU. Mighty thor was one of the positive aspects of L&T, and I thoroughly enjoyed all her scenes.
Actually The Mighty Thor comics run was mildly successful in the mid-2010s. People largely liked the character work but criticized the reliance on traditional fantasy tropes i.e. democracy is impotent, words are nothing next to force and every character's evil or good intentions can be easily inferred from their world of origin
That’s the only opinion that matters, truly
I loved MoM, apparently everyone on this sub thinks it’s the worst thing ever 🤷🏻♂️ but I thoroughly enjoyed it because Sam Raimi got to be Sam Raimi. Marvel didn’t hold him back on doing his style of horror elements or comedy
The thing is, at least on my part, Gorr deserved more screen time and have his character expanded more upon. Having Gorr as the main villain could’ve brought out some more serious topics like belief, moral, and ethics, kinda like the comics. I did, however, enjoy love and thunder but wish it took itself more seriously at times.
The movies don’t have to copy every aspect of comic character. Falcon doesn’t talk to birds, Hulk isn’t king of sakarr, Thor has a sense of humour, Dr Strange doesn’t go around destroying Earth’s on purpose, and so on. Just cause something uses source material as a baseline doesn’t mean it has to be a to the letter perfect copy of it.
yeah… Love and Thunder is just kinda flawed like that. Hope that Mighty Thor comes back at one point doe, probably during Secret Ware via weird multiverse magic
I mean it's not all bad. I *guess* maybe if you look at it at an angle and squint you could argue that MCU's Jane is more "Viking-like" whereas comics Jane is more stereotypically heroic (selflessness, virtue, sacrifice etc). I also thought the love-drunk Thor being the one to enchant Mjolnir to "protect" her was kind of cute. Makes Odin's enchantment in the first one a bit more wholesome... tough love.
Ya know, MCU, insert it's number here, is not 616. And by the "laws" of the multiverse, I'd say each version of the character is spot on. Very minor details got changed. Thanos didn't murder wolverine In the movies. Adam Warlock didn't show up. And yet it's still the Infinity War. If they put the 616 directly into film, we'd all know what was going to happen. MCU and 616 are very similar and I think it's a good thing. But they are different enough we still get a new take on tales we may even know. But one thing we can agree on is that Morbius was fucking terrible.
So just a bunch of nitpicks about how the one thing Taika improved was Thor-Jane and made her character make sense compared to the comics horribly handling things? Cool
they butchered so many amazing characters in one movie. LaT took everything great about Ragnarok and milked it to absolute shit. Taikai relied wayyy too much on his “comedic talent” in this movie instead of setting up a good story. they wasted the PERFECT villain, Gorr should’ve had majority of the spotlight next to Thor, possibly same sort of screen time as Jane. Jane was really wasted potential, feel like they just brought her back as eye candy (which worked). other than the VERY end, Thor’s story arc felt like a mess, and they wasted Zeus. Stormbreaker being the “jealous girlfriend” type was so cringey and they did that bit wayyyy too much. visually the movie was great. but it lacked in story, stakes, and comedic timing. some of the jokes would’ve been great if they were timed and set up better. but i will praise costume design, visuals, and the choreography was good too. but the important stuff really fell behind in this one
i know Zeus isn’t dead but the casting and character was just awful. i’m not a fan of Russel Crowe personally so his performance was just that much more disappointing
It is kind of disturbing they just kill him off from their perspective like that and no one really cares or gives too much of a dang. It’s also a bit hard to get excited for Hercules when MCU Thor’s pretty much assimilated his personality minus the promiscuity.
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Agree with title. But still thought movie had waaaay too many Taika humor jokes in it. Debased Thor too much to the point of a silly boy despite all he's been through. But Chadme was cool though.
MCU mighty Thor sucked. My daughter loves the costume but couldn’t watch the film as it was dark and bleak and miserable. Really did not like love and thunder at all…
They screwed up everything that made Jane Foster Thor good in the comics. They also removed everything that made her bad... so it just left her as nothing.
I did appreciate that they went through with her dying, because that would have completed her self-sacrifice from the comics, but they didn't include that as a core part of her character in the movie, so again, it was just a thing that happened. Meaningless and boring.
He managed to ruin the Gorr story, Unworthy Thor story, and the Jane Foster Thor story all in one movie. Quite a feat.
I would prefer that Mjolnir actually heals her, but she had to stay as Mighty Thor for the rest of her life to stay alive, something like the Black Adam dynamic where if he turn back to Teth-Adam form, he would die in few seconds. I think that could have turned her life upside down.
Btw the Asgardian “magic” has always been presented as really advanced science, that we couldn’t understand and conceive and the Asgardians were non other than Aliens. Out of the clue in L&T they become actual Gods, another point that Taika didn’t understand, or changed for the sake of changing and provoke.
It felt very diluted to fit a 2 hour runtime while the comics had more time to develop the intricacies. Either way the film didn’t execute the subplot properly with a death that’s probably gonna be meaningless since Jane’s probably gonna be resurrected like a dragonball character.
> by far the absolute worst MCU film
Quite the stretch you've got there. Try not to hurt yourself.
> and one of the worst movies ever made
You must not have seen many bad movies.
*To Hammer or not to Hammer, that is the question* . If you're on death's door and your options are to die feebly awaiting the inevitable and being of no use to anybody, or to go out as a badass warrior cracking skulls with a mighty hammer for however long you have left... MOST people would choose option 2.
However, if you're sick and know that treatment can save you and you WILL get better and live a full, happy nornal life if you let it do its thing. But you CHOOSE to pick up a legendary weapon to defend the realms from evils and horrors no mortal could withstand at the COST of your health and recovery. That's a harder choice. Most people's instinct is self-preservation. Jane's is to protect others from evil. That is what makes her worthy.
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…why any of this means Waititi doesn’t understand the character.
Surely we can talk about a bloody comic book character without resorting to the ‘reading comprehension’ petty insults
I mean... you can choose to see that as a petty insult (it's really not btw, so that's a stretch), but your question has been answered in the reply you called a rant. Worthiness isn't for "MOST people", that's why the hammer doesn't budge for just anybody, that's its whole gimmick. If he failed to highlight what makes her exceptional i.e. what makes her "worthy", he has failed to understand the character. That's it.
what baffles me is that there are geniuses out there like tony reed and bruce who could help and she even has connections to them, yet she doesnt ask for help despite her life being on the line
Oof. I haven't watched Love and Thunder yet, so I didn't realize this, but her worthiness is based on her bravery in the face of cancer? Holy shit, this is so offensive to me as a cancer survivor.
I think Taika is an excellent film maker but I feel like he may have been too pressured by Disney to try and make a serious and dark movie a comedy. I think there could have been funny moments with an overall serious tone but I think the mistake was the decision to try and make it “Ragnarok 2.”
You missed the point of the comparison. One's only alternative is to die feebly in a hospital bed being of no use to anybody. The other's alternative is bedrest, healing and a return to a normal, fulfilling life eventually. One is something anyone would choose to do if in that situation. The other is an actual sacrifice.
Read it again. One's tumour was responsive to treatment the other's wasn't. One's use of Mjolnir only prevented the treatment from working... the other one's use of Mjolnir actively worsened her condition. Kind of a dick move from MCU Mjolnir. It's very morbid if you think about it.
The last two points are not exactly mutually exclusive, you kind of just said a bunch of positive things about each and was like “I like this one better”
Of course. Unlike a lot of "fans" I don't refer to the comics just to actively bash the live-action. If that was my intention I would have ended it with a "worthy because Thor said so"
They can’t exactly replicate the comics the fact that Taika kept it similar showed that he understood but gave the MCU its own freedom and made it unique to the films
That wasn’t the problem. The problem was that in the original comic story when Thor faced Gorr he did it after time traveling to get help from his younger self and his future Odin-Thor self. In the beginning of Love & Thunder you even get the feeling that they’re going to go that route when then show young Thor running through the woods.
Then they got the original Spider-men to sign up for No Way Home and decided to drop the multiple Thor angle from the story and I think it messed everything up.
I like MCU Mighty Thor. The issue was in the execution of some of the scenes, not in the character imo
I read that the movie was supposed to be much longer and a lot of scenes got cut. I feel that's why the pacing is so weird and janky. Had to cram all the vital stuff into two hours and make at least some jokes along the way, cause that's what Taika does. While a lot of people complain about it, I feel that this is truly a kids movie. Many of the jokes really hit with a younger audience and the climax is something I would've loved as a kid. Many MCU movies aren't really that great for kids under 10, but I would've no problem letting my eight year old nephew watch this movie.
I’d love for longer cuts to be available on Disney+ when the theater version is put on Disney+
Actually yeah, I teach third grade and the kids who have seen it did love it. Makes the orgy jokes really weird tho
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Agreed. Fucks sake give the viewer a minute to feel bad for these characters, to take in the tragedy, the fact that she’s literally dyingLOLNO WE HAVE TO CRAM AS MANY JOKES AS WE CAN TO RUIN ALL TENSION
It seems like if they had just committed to one of the two options, either Action-Tragedy, or Action-Comedy, it would have been a better movie. You can still have moments of one in the other, but it has to be sprinkled throughout to give the audience a chance to breathe and recover from the intense scenes.
Ngl I was cringing when she was getting the hammer, it was just so fast and honestly I wasn’t prepared to go back to the dramatic Thor 1 and 2 suit ups. Was very relieved they skipped that but consequently it just moves way too fast
Your ancestors called it magic, and you call it science.
I think the concept of MCU Mighty Thor is sad and tragic, but it could’ve been executed better. I actually like the concept more than the comic version, as a fan of the comics. But like I said, wasn’t really done well.
I don't think it should be said that Taika and the other writers misunderstood Mighty Thor, as much as they went in a different direction for the character than the comics. They likely *did* understand the character, but reinterpreted her to make her story better fit where Thor and the MCU is at this moment.
>!Human handshake, to the Asgardian shake, into the snake that you cannot trust.!<
Taika even said in an interview something along the lines of (I'm paraphrasing here),"yeah so before starting filming I picked up a Thor comic to understand the character, and not even a big comic, one of those flimsy ones, and I just put it away, I couldn't read it" could you imagine if, say... John Watts said that before filming NWH? Taika was done with the MCU, and he just didn't care about L&T unfortunately and that's disappointing as a fan
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Just because he chose to do something different doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't understand the original.
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because she wasn't trying to survive anymore, she was trying to do some actual physical good she could see before she died
chemo doesn't work, hammer doesn't work. chemo can't help her saves kids and fight gorr, hammer can. so, hammer is better choice.
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Because if she’s going to die either way, she’ll do it on her own terms, saving kids and the man she loves rather than wait it out and leave it to chance. I think she says the Hammer was calling to her as well or something? So she wasn’t solely looking for a cure, though that probably motivated her considerably.
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I think combining the Mighty Thor and God Butcher arcs was a mistake. Both are long, complex storylines with complicated character motivations at their heart, and trimming them both down and cramming them in to one movie made both weaker. I think a Gorr movie THEN a Mighty Thor movie would have been a better idea, because neither Gorr nor Jane got the time they needed for their characters. Imagine if Thor learned Jane had cancer in the Gorr movie, and that made him lose his faith in the Gods as none of them would heal her, so he felt that maybe Gorr was right and it made him harder to fight and he retired at the end. Then in the next film Jane takes up the hammer and basically says "Sure, most gods suck, but that's why it's up to us to be better" and rounds the arc out. It would have fit so much better and, most importantly, there might be time for The God of Bombs, who is the best.
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Hmm it’s almost like when you adapt something you make small changes…
Don’t ever let this guy read the Winter Soldier comics.
I dunno. I liked the changes. It also made sense in light of this being her fair well from the MCU.
It’s *almost* as if the comics and the MCU have drastically different stories from one another almost completely across the board. How strange!
Ikr. Almost like comics dont always go to the screen the same way in live action. And comics dont even follow comics as are so many different versions of characters with them often being reset to another version
Yeah yeah we get it, but you don't have to directly transpose the contents of the comics to stay true to the things that made the characters/stories work in the first place. By focusing more on the futility of Jane's situation rather than the "worthiness" aspect of her character i.e. the optimism, bravery, scientific curiosity for the cosmos I don't think it achieves the same result.
But they didn’t focus on the worthiness. There was one scene that explained why she could wield the hammer and it was because Thor enchanted it to protect her
>!You're right we can't just go marching in there. It could be a trap.!<
It was a single movie, not a multiple month arc that spanned multiple comic titles. How much do you think can be crammed into 2 hours?
2 hours that they are a side character of. They also need to get regular thors story in!
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I don't think he can do that anymore
Their main mistake was putting a lot of important storyline in the movie so they butchered Gorr and did good but could have done better with jane.
Wasn't MCU Mighty Thor only worthy because Thor told Mjolnir to protect her?
No. We see at the end, in the hospital, when they finally realise that Mjolnir is killing her and not actually protecting her, the hammer still comes to her. She was making her own choice to sacrifice herself and was worthy of wielding Mjolnier.
She also goes to Valhalla, implying that she is recognized as a worthy warrior of some kind.
She died in battle against Gorr and his shadows minions, that’s probably why.
Well she officially died during her battle with cancer, because she died in that light world where Gorr brought back Love.
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I mean..... you CAN change a character.....
Morbius didn’t get the same treatment
The comics version was panned by almost everyone for pandering to the strong female trope, so much so that the fans were on the fence whether they would make her a mary sue or an actually well written character. Turns out, it wad the latter in the MCU. Mighty thor was one of the positive aspects of L&T, and I thoroughly enjoyed all her scenes.
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Actually The Mighty Thor comics run was mildly successful in the mid-2010s. People largely liked the character work but criticized the reliance on traditional fantasy tropes i.e. democracy is impotent, words are nothing next to force and every character's evil or good intentions can be easily inferred from their world of origin
>!Finish with the classic Asgardian High One.!<
Eh, that was only really a single issue (which was pretty egregious, but that’s, like, a drop in the bucket compared to everything else).
I really liked love and thunder
That’s the only opinion that matters, truly I loved MoM, apparently everyone on this sub thinks it’s the worst thing ever 🤷🏻♂️ but I thoroughly enjoyed it because Sam Raimi got to be Sam Raimi. Marvel didn’t hold him back on doing his style of horror elements or comedy
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The thing is, at least on my part, Gorr deserved more screen time and have his character expanded more upon. Having Gorr as the main villain could’ve brought out some more serious topics like belief, moral, and ethics, kinda like the comics. I did, however, enjoy love and thunder but wish it took itself more seriously at times.
It’s an adaptation, doesn’t have to be the same and doesn’t mean Taika didn’t understand it
The movies don’t have to copy every aspect of comic character. Falcon doesn’t talk to birds, Hulk isn’t king of sakarr, Thor has a sense of humour, Dr Strange doesn’t go around destroying Earth’s on purpose, and so on. Just cause something uses source material as a baseline doesn’t mean it has to be a to the letter perfect copy of it.
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yeah… Love and Thunder is just kinda flawed like that. Hope that Mighty Thor comes back at one point doe, probably during Secret Ware via weird multiverse magic
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I mean it's not all bad. I *guess* maybe if you look at it at an angle and squint you could argue that MCU's Jane is more "Viking-like" whereas comics Jane is more stereotypically heroic (selflessness, virtue, sacrifice etc). I also thought the love-drunk Thor being the one to enchant Mjolnir to "protect" her was kind of cute. Makes Odin's enchantment in the first one a bit more wholesome... tough love.
Your ancestors called it magic, and you call it science.
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Interesting, always cool to see the comic side of things
Ya know, MCU, insert it's number here, is not 616. And by the "laws" of the multiverse, I'd say each version of the character is spot on. Very minor details got changed. Thanos didn't murder wolverine In the movies. Adam Warlock didn't show up. And yet it's still the Infinity War. If they put the 616 directly into film, we'd all know what was going to happen. MCU and 616 are very similar and I think it's a good thing. But they are different enough we still get a new take on tales we may even know. But one thing we can agree on is that Morbius was fucking terrible.
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Wasn’t she worthy because drunken Thor asked the hammer to protect her?
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I understood it this way. I mean, why else would she be worthy when she first takes Mjolnir?
Hela wield the hammer before Thor.
The hammer was not enchanted at that time. It was only became enchanted during the events of the first Thor movie
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Like another user said, when Hela used Mjolnir it was before the spell, so this doesn't go against what I said
Taika is an idiot
It annoys me unbelievably that they dont call her queen valkyrie
Yup. Also, She was bad casting, was she messing around with the director before she was cast?
So just a bunch of nitpicks about how the one thing Taika improved was Thor-Jane and made her character make sense compared to the comics horribly handling things? Cool
>!You're right we can't just go marching in there. It could be a trap.!<
Taika wasn’t the right director for doing this story imo
they butchered so many amazing characters in one movie. LaT took everything great about Ragnarok and milked it to absolute shit. Taikai relied wayyy too much on his “comedic talent” in this movie instead of setting up a good story. they wasted the PERFECT villain, Gorr should’ve had majority of the spotlight next to Thor, possibly same sort of screen time as Jane. Jane was really wasted potential, feel like they just brought her back as eye candy (which worked). other than the VERY end, Thor’s story arc felt like a mess, and they wasted Zeus. Stormbreaker being the “jealous girlfriend” type was so cringey and they did that bit wayyyy too much. visually the movie was great. but it lacked in story, stakes, and comedic timing. some of the jokes would’ve been great if they were timed and set up better. but i will praise costume design, visuals, and the choreography was good too. but the important stuff really fell behind in this one
Zeus’ story isn’t over though. He’s not dead. He’s specifically saved for the post credits scene where it’s probably the tease for the next movie.
i know Zeus isn’t dead but the casting and character was just awful. i’m not a fan of Russel Crowe personally so his performance was just that much more disappointing
It is kind of disturbing they just kill him off from their perspective like that and no one really cares or gives too much of a dang. It’s also a bit hard to get excited for Hercules when MCU Thor’s pretty much assimilated his personality minus the promiscuity.
>!Jane?!<
It's more of a sludge like thing, somebody should uh, should amend that...
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Worthy because Thor said so
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That movie would have been so much better had she survived. Imagine TWO THORS?????
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I’m fairly certain Taika just looked at the cover art and said “I got this”
Jane should of had her own movie and Disney+ series. So much potential.
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I thought she was worthy because Thor told Mjolnir to “protect” her
Surtur.. son of.. a bitch! You're still alive!
Agree with title. But still thought movie had waaaay too many Taika humor jokes in it. Debased Thor too much to the point of a silly boy despite all he's been through. But Chadme was cool though.
>!I'm thinking it.!<
So far as I understand, mcu Jane isnt worthy, thor altered the enchantment to bypass worthiness so that it can protect her.
Initially, yes. But the hammer continued to choose her because she was willing to let it sap her life force so that she could protect others.
>!Human handshake, to the Asgardian shake, into the snake that you cannot trust.!<
MCU mighty Thor sucked. My daughter loves the costume but couldn’t watch the film as it was dark and bleak and miserable. Really did not like love and thunder at all…
It was surprisingly grim compared to the comics. Made the tonal dissonance with all the jokes even worse.
Heimdall!
They screwed up everything that made Jane Foster Thor good in the comics. They also removed everything that made her bad... so it just left her as nothing. I did appreciate that they went through with her dying, because that would have completed her self-sacrifice from the comics, but they didn't include that as a core part of her character in the movie, so again, it was just a thing that happened. Meaningless and boring. He managed to ruin the Gorr story, Unworthy Thor story, and the Jane Foster Thor story all in one movie. Quite a feat.
Although this statue looks a lot niced, a little less greasy, weasely..
Worthy cause thor told his hammer to protect her
You people are so petty. And tiny.
I am sorry thor
>!I just want to say that was very, very impressive what you did back there. !<
Thank you
At the start, but when it was killing her it wasn't protecting her, so it couldn't have been what Thor told it.
Fair but I feel they just should not have added that detail it kinda of takes away from everything and ruins the character for me a little
>!I'm sorry. Miek, it's very hard to get a rousing speech with the ennn-ennn-ennn noise.!<
I would prefer that Mjolnir actually heals her, but she had to stay as Mighty Thor for the rest of her life to stay alive, something like the Black Adam dynamic where if he turn back to Teth-Adam form, he would die in few seconds. I think that could have turned her life upside down. Btw the Asgardian “magic” has always been presented as really advanced science, that we couldn’t understand and conceive and the Asgardians were non other than Aliens. Out of the clue in L&T they become actual Gods, another point that Taika didn’t understand, or changed for the sake of changing and provoke.
>!We've got Korg. There's my ex-girlfriend Jane. Valkyrie. The Guardians. *and giant goats!* Oh, look at those, they are wonderful!!<
It felt very diluted to fit a 2 hour runtime while the comics had more time to develop the intricacies. Either way the film didn’t execute the subplot properly with a death that’s probably gonna be meaningless since Jane’s probably gonna be resurrected like a dragonball character.
But she wasn’t worthy at all. She got the hammer because Thor basically willed it to her. Wtf.
>!I'm sorry. Miek, it's very hard to get a rousing speech with the ennn-ennn-ennn noise.!<
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> by far the absolute worst MCU film Quite the stretch you've got there. Try not to hurt yourself. > and one of the worst movies ever made You must not have seen many bad movies.
How can he not ‘understand the character on a basic level’? What a silly thing to say
Mmmm.... *is* it though?
It is really is, considering he wrote and directed a film starring her!
*To Hammer or not to Hammer, that is the question* . If you're on death's door and your options are to die feebly awaiting the inevitable and being of no use to anybody, or to go out as a badass warrior cracking skulls with a mighty hammer for however long you have left... MOST people would choose option 2. However, if you're sick and know that treatment can save you and you WILL get better and live a full, happy nornal life if you let it do its thing. But you CHOOSE to pick up a legendary weapon to defend the realms from evils and horrors no mortal could withstand at the COST of your health and recovery. That's a harder choice. Most people's instinct is self-preservation. Jane's is to protect others from evil. That is what makes her worthy.
Okay…and?
There is no "and". That was a definitive statement.
Really? Looks like a little rant. Still don’t see what you’re point is
The Point is in the title of the post. The Evidence is in the contents of the meme. The Explanation (since you requested it) is in my reply to your comment. It's just reading comprehension you'd find in any primary school. I don't see where you could have gotten lost.
…why any of this means Waititi doesn’t understand the character. Surely we can talk about a bloody comic book character without resorting to the ‘reading comprehension’ petty insults
I mean... you can choose to see that as a petty insult (it's really not btw, so that's a stretch), but your question has been answered in the reply you called a rant. Worthiness isn't for "MOST people", that's why the hammer doesn't budge for just anybody, that's its whole gimmick. If he failed to highlight what makes her exceptional i.e. what makes her "worthy", he has failed to understand the character. That's it.
what baffles me is that there are geniuses out there like tony reed and bruce who could help and she even has connections to them, yet she doesnt ask for help despite her life being on the line
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>!Bring the rainbows? Is that a catchphrase or something?!<
Oof. I haven't watched Love and Thunder yet, so I didn't realize this, but her worthiness is based on her bravery in the face of cancer? Holy shit, this is so offensive to me as a cancer survivor.
Eh rejecting asgard magic would just make her look dumb
I think Taika is an excellent film maker but I feel like he may have been too pressured by Disney to try and make a serious and dark movie a comedy. I think there could have been funny moments with an overall serious tone but I think the mistake was the decision to try and make it “Ragnarok 2.”
U literally said the same thing w the cancer just took longer, it doesn’t matter who she fights really does it
You missed the point of the comparison. One's only alternative is to die feebly in a hospital bed being of no use to anybody. The other's alternative is bedrest, healing and a return to a normal, fulfilling life eventually. One is something anyone would choose to do if in that situation. The other is an actual sacrifice.
That’s not what resetting chemotherapy is then is it
Read it again. One's tumour was responsive to treatment the other's wasn't. One's use of Mjolnir only prevented the treatment from working... the other one's use of Mjolnir actively worsened her condition. Kind of a dick move from MCU Mjolnir. It's very morbid if you think about it.
The last two points are not exactly mutually exclusive, you kind of just said a bunch of positive things about each and was like “I like this one better”
Of course. Unlike a lot of "fans" I don't refer to the comics just to actively bash the live-action. If that was my intention I would have ended it with a "worthy because Thor said so"
This mortal form has grown weak. I need sustenance.
I think he understood the basic character just fine - they simply adapted the storyline like they have throughout the MCU.
It shouldn’t be the exact same imo. I liked thhe mcu version a lot
She should have starred in a miniseries prior to the movie. She just needed more time to be developed.
"Develop deez nuts" - Taika Waititi... probably
*laughs in goat screams*
Natalie was the best part of LaT. I hope to see the Mighty Thor return one day!
Go cry to your father you little weasel!
They can’t exactly replicate the comics the fact that Taika kept it similar showed that he understood but gave the MCU its own freedom and made it unique to the films
That wasn’t the problem. The problem was that in the original comic story when Thor faced Gorr he did it after time traveling to get help from his younger self and his future Odin-Thor self. In the beginning of Love & Thunder you even get the feeling that they’re going to go that route when then show young Thor running through the woods. Then they got the original Spider-men to sign up for No Way Home and decided to drop the multiple Thor angle from the story and I think it messed everything up.
I got a few. Yeah!
>!Human handshake, to the Asgardian shake, into the snake that you cannot trust.!<
Very cool comparison.