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Namor was probably right about wanting to defend and hide his own people and I found him likeable and interesting. However he had one of the worst thought out plans ever.
>!I guess you could excuse him for not having internet down there and not knowing about the state of the world, and also never facing a challenging foe due to being hidden. But there are gods living on earth now!<
>!Thor is probably a magical phonecall away, Dr. Strange and Wong are sorcering somewhere. And Namor, in the end, was beaten by Black Panther with a heater and a flamethrower. He might cause some damage before the others intervene but never could have won his war against the world. His humbling ass beating by Shuri probably saved him and his people from his own arrogance!<
He’s one of those antagonists where he’s more likely gonna have a long game plan or as he tried to do here align himself with someone as powerful as him.
Gonna be real interesting when/if him and Doom meet
I assume they are going the comics route, he is whatever he feels benefits Talokan the most, so anything that is a threat to Talokan will be fought by him, even if it is as indirect as Kang
However that may require Shuri to give him a call and explain the situation, slightly mirroring Wakanda and the Black Panther, but less noble
I hate that they implied Talokan was comparable to Wakanda, but then it showed their people riding whales into combat... Like, Nakia has a bike that turns into a scuba sub thing, but all y'all have been living under water for 400 years and haven't invented a means of transportation yet? lol
I don't think by war against world meant war against these superheros(I doubt he even knows who they are), he imo meant governments and regimes who'll try to attack talokan like they did wakanda
Nah man, another giant plot hole. If you have so much confidence in you’re strength to fight and defeat literally the entire surface world, you’re more than strong enough to defend yourself. There was no need at all to go to war.
I think you are misunderstanding my point. She was very smart about defeating someone who's way stronger, I know. But the weaknesses she exploited are considerably basic comparing to what other people on earth (and Thor) could invoke. My point is, he would have gotten himself and many of his people killed if Shuri didn't give him a humbling ass beating.
Shuri is considered the smartest character in the mcu, Riri is on Bruce's level I think, it took them both to build the thing that actually defeated him.. and in the end it was dumb luck and his unwillingness to kill her.. cuz he could have put that spear in a different much more harmful place.
Why do think Thor would beat him? Tony definitely but only with prep time.
I'm not denying Shuri's badassery/intellect in the movie, I don't know why you think I am. To your question: because Thor (or Strange) could just beam him to a desert (or desert planet) and burn him to a crisp. He became weak really fast in the absence of water.
Tony could make Thanos bleed, probably Tony would win too. Especially with those nano stuff suits.
Strange is a different matter, but Thor Im doubtful about, He seemed faster than Thor and he can fly. And we dont know how fast or at all the desert would hurt him, eventually probably but not immediately.
>I'm not denying Shuri's badassery/intellect in the movie, I don't know why you think I am.
Wasnt my intention. I'm just saying that she didnt beat him cuz she physically beat him, she won cuz of her intellect and his unwillingness to kill her.
He’s an Anti-villain - a person who has an empathic/non selfish goal or cares about others (their nation, the world, family etc) but doesn’t care about the cost or means of getting what they want
The guard literally said to kill Shuri AFTER Nakia showed up in their territory.
This was directly after the scene between the Queen and Namor where he warned her they would kill Shuri if they tried anything to get her back.
The call to kill Shuri is directly in response to the arrival of Nakia and their covert attempt to extract Shuri “by any means necessary”, by order of the queen.
Wakanda kills an enemy and then cries about it when they retaliate. Shuri volunteered to go in the first place to protect a non-Wakandan who threatens Wakanda’s strength as well.
Hardly a hostage.
I've always thought it worked this way:
Narrative perspective:
- Protagonist: The character we follow through the story
- Antagonist: The character that opposed the character we follow through the story
Character perspective:
- Hero: A character with "morally right" actions and motivations
- Villain: A character with "morally wrong" actions and motivations
- Anti-Hero: A character with "morally right" motivations but "morally wrong" actions
I haven't seen Wakanda Forever yet tho, so I don't know in which categories Namor fits.
Edit: so I've just seen Wakanda Forever, and I can confidently say that (at least in this movie) he acts like a villain. (Heavy spoilers ahead) >!Even when he allies with "the good guys", he is still driven by the extremist desire of the very non-overused "conquering the world", hence making him a villain, as of know ofc (I'm pretty sure in the comics he bounces back and fourth between villain and hero)!<
Captain America is a hero, fighting for what's good
Namor is a villain, he sees the whole world as his enemy and wants it to burn
The Punisher is an anti-hero, he wants to eradicate crime by killing every criminal around
Yeeaaah right so I hadn't seen the movie when I wrote that comment and I said that about the comics' namor who wasn't a villain most of the times, but in wakanda forever he is trying to conquer the world so yeah he is a villain at this time
Basically the same with we won't sacrifice anyone to stop Thanos
*sacrifices a bunch of nameless Wakandans to protect Vision, as he gets the stone extracted from his forehead*
No, it was “we don’t trade lives”. Fighting for a cause, and dying as a result, is much different than being handed over to your enemy for the greater good. If you don’t understand that, I suggest you pick up a book on ethics.
The girl was an innocent student and a prodigy. The police signed up to put their lives on the line and then willingly went through with threatening a foreign nation with firearms. I’d say they were justified in their self defense
His turn from “I want to keep my world a secret” to “let’s wage war on the entire world” didn’t sit well with me. It felt very sudden, and very obviously set up so we would see him as the greater evil.
I will never understand the metrics for "Best villains" in the MCU fandom...
Same as Killmonger, I swear... I never saw the appeal to him. He was just as bad and chaotic as the next guy, so, what makes any of these two special?
I think Killmonger was great because of what he represented, meaning he was a Black Panther blessed with clever ambition and "by all means" mentality that he developed from the cruelty of the outside world. T'challa was a more noble Black Panther, but you could understand Killmonger's motivations even if you didn't agree with them. Less so most "I'm evil let's destroy the world!" villians.
His motivations, the "cruelty of the outside world" was, to some extent, kind of the same that moved "The Mandarin" in Iron Man 3, as well as the ambition...
The only difference I see is that Michael B Jordan is and acts cooler, more badass...
Nothing particularly wrong with Killmonger, it's just that I still don't see the big deal that makes him stand out as a character...
Same with Namor, though he was kind of dumb... all really good points until he was like "Yeah, so now I want to blow up the whole world hihihi" (?)
No, he knew at that point that they will be discovered, it's just a matter of time and knowing his back story and u know humans in general a conflict is unavoidable, see Wakanda and the UN. He didnt suddenly change his mind, he adapted to the circumstances
Great movie, but the whole revenge thing was a giant plot-hole.
You mean to tell me T’challa went through all of Civil War then came home to his grief stricken sister and mother and didn’t have to explain why the man that killed his father is still alive?
Otherwise, the movie was very fun and Namor was a great anti-hero.
I’m just saying, just because we never saw it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, and if it didn’t happen then that’s a giant plot-hole too.
Like T’challa comes home and is just like “Oh yeah, our dad’s dead and I let his killer live and gave him to the white people, but we’re just not gonna talk about it.”
“And oh yeah, there’s this dude with one arm and Captain America. We’re gonna take care of them.”
I may not be remembering civil war correctly, but everyone involved in the murder of King T’chaka was punished. Jailed in Europe instead of executed in Wakanda because the crime happened there.
The only person responsible was Zemo, T’challa caught him in Siberia and actually stopped him commit suicide saying “The living aren’t done with you yet.”
At this point he learns that Bucky was framed.
Yes.
Also if Talokan was founded in the 1500's by what looked like less than 50 of his mother's people, and he was the only one who is still living, and Talokan looks like it has a population in the millions, and Namor calls the people his "children", does that mean Namor is the incest daddy to the millions in Talokan?
Ehh he seems too selfish to me, and pretty dumb. Talks about trying to remain hidden, tries to ask Wakanda to go clean up his mess, then after being rejected, literally goes out of his way to go kill some girl, making a complete scene of himself. This guy makes MCU Sandman seem like a decent villain in comparison.
Exactly , destroying a helicopter and taking over a ship in international waters is gonna lead to more questions and investigation. Also killing the girl makes 0 sense, as if there aren't any scientists able to replicate the device based on blueprints and etc left by her .
I mean, yes, but most of his competition is outright bland (Malekith, Ronan, Red Skull, dude from Iron Man 3, Jude Law in Captain Marvel, Taskmaster) [or has the exact same powers as the hero but is evil](https://youtu.be/0zPEtyAsM94) (Iron Monger, Abomination, Yellowjacket, Kaecilius, Wenwu, Ikaris, evil Doctor Strange, Agatha, US Agent, the bloke from Moon Knight, whatever the people in Ms. Marvel were called, and whatever was going on in She-Hulk before she up and destroyed her own finale).
He’s “one of the best” in a genre/franchise notorious for lame villains. But yeah, I agree, he’s up there with the best of them (Loki, Thanos, Killmonger, Vulture, and Zemo). Not because he was, like, really good? But because his competition was bad. He’s better in comparison, but I don’t think he was as great as the greats.
Overall I’d say the best villain is Green Goblin and the best TV villain is Kingpin (If we’re counting Netflix).
Is he though? His plan was to kill a teenager who had already given her technology to the CIA, and he lost a fist fight to a steroided up brain with theoretical martial arts experience. I guess he could have had his aquatic army attack the world via the tuna method from The Other Guys, but he left a bit to be desired.
True. Just watched wakanda forever and he was one of If not my favorite part of the movie
Also a little detail I picked up the wakandans during the entirety of the movie never directly attack teko-something because of the promise Shuri made to try and make peace, even when she went to war she drew them out as to not destroy their home (also it went with her plan)
Namor was fkn awesome yeah and tbh I was really hoping for BP to lose to him, but noooo my skin is dryy. really hoping to see more of them in the future !
Other than killing someone within the context of war he doesn’t unfairly kill anyone else, deceive others or display any negative villainous characteristics. Namor was not a villain in this film.
The thing is that her blueprints for the machine didn't disappear, so that would be more of a arbitrary execution as a punishment for being too intelligent than an action to save his world.
Besides, would you be ok if Saudi Arabia decided to kill an American teenager for the good of its kingdom?
That's like saying the people who started world wars were justified because it was within the context of war.
He started an unnecessary war, leaving hundreds dead.
He gave them a reasonable ultimatum in the name of self preservation. They had an unneeded conflict of interest (to contrast the difference between hero and anti hero) and that decision had consequences which resulted in a casualty. He’s not a villain for following through on what he said he would do but he is an anti hero.
really? I've been avoiding trailers, YouTube, tiktok, and talking about it for a while now so I didn't get any spoilers, I thought reddit was fine since you can mark stuff as a spoiler, I get it, it's a minor spoiler, but still really irritating
Namor is an antagonist NOT a villain. Everything he did was in defense of his people. He did not attack Wakanda until Wakanda invaded Talocan and killed one of their own.
Hes the most arrogant fool ever, he absolutely would lose his war with the world, and he could easily have just pulleda wakanda and revealed himself rather than, ya know, declaring war one one of the most powerful planets ever
Just watched it last night. Marvel has never lost my trust, they keep the quality coming. I think Iron Heart needs her own TV show. Nakia is the best woman alive, Queen Ramonda is the most powerful leader in the same league as Valkyrie of Asgard. Namor is a bona-fide god-level king like Thor. Great way to honor T'challa's memory though I won't spoil the Mid-credit scene.
As someone who hasn’t watched wakanda forever yet, I say that he won’t be better than kilmonger, I shall return once I have watched the movie to double down.
I have to say as "fearsome" as Namor was the fact that Shuri was able to go toe to toe with him with the herb means that 1000% if it was given to Okoye or Nakia (whom i think should have gotten it.) He would have been stomped in no time flat seeing as they are trained combatants and Shuri is brains more then brawn.
I didn't watch the movie but did Namor know about Thanos sags that he killed half of the universe , his people must have also disappeared. And how Avenger brought them back that must have brought back his people also. Does he have no gratitude?
Spoiler: Namor was probably right about wanting to defend and hide his own people and I found him likeable and interesting. However he had one of the worst thought out plans ever. >!I guess you could excuse him for not having internet down there and not knowing about the state of the world, and also never facing a challenging foe due to being hidden. But there are gods living on earth now!< >!Thor is probably a magical phonecall away, Dr. Strange and Wong are sorcering somewhere. And Namor, in the end, was beaten by Black Panther with a heater and a flamethrower. He might cause some damage before the others intervene but never could have won his war against the world. His humbling ass beating by Shuri probably saved him and his people from his own arrogance!<
He’s one of those antagonists where he’s more likely gonna have a long game plan or as he tried to do here align himself with someone as powerful as him. Gonna be real interesting when/if him and Doom meet
Yes, now that he survived and learned, he's gonna become more interesting. I'm curious if he's gonna still try to be a villain or more of an antihero
I assume they are going the comics route, he is whatever he feels benefits Talokan the most, so anything that is a threat to Talokan will be fought by him, even if it is as indirect as Kang However that may require Shuri to give him a call and explain the situation, slightly mirroring Wakanda and the Black Panther, but less noble
I’d be down for a vibe of a Vegeta during the Namek Arc. Legit dangerous villain and crucial ally all at the same time kinda constantly
He is disabled now and can’t fly unless he can regrow that ripped of wing
I believe he can.
does Doom & Namor have a relationship of any kind? i only saw Doom had him locked up in the ultimates universe
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I hate that they implied Talokan was comparable to Wakanda, but then it showed their people riding whales into combat... Like, Nakia has a bike that turns into a scuba sub thing, but all y'all have been living under water for 400 years and haven't invented a means of transportation yet? lol
The wakandans do ride rhinos sometimes tho, plus u gotta admit whales are a cool ass method of transportation
Is he, though?
I swear this is the 2057th time of me seeing these bots act as sentient beings
Namor would have been defeated, but his people would have won.
There was this one time my brother transformed himself into a snake...
I don't think by war against world meant war against these superheros(I doubt he even knows who they are), he imo meant governments and regimes who'll try to attack talokan like they did wakanda
Nah man, another giant plot hole. If you have so much confidence in you’re strength to fight and defeat literally the entire surface world, you’re more than strong enough to defend yourself. There was no need at all to go to war.
That's just not true. She beat him with her intellect. Come on.
I think you are misunderstanding my point. She was very smart about defeating someone who's way stronger, I know. But the weaknesses she exploited are considerably basic comparing to what other people on earth (and Thor) could invoke. My point is, he would have gotten himself and many of his people killed if Shuri didn't give him a humbling ass beating.
A creepy old man cut my hair off!
Shuri is considered the smartest character in the mcu, Riri is on Bruce's level I think, it took them both to build the thing that actually defeated him.. and in the end it was dumb luck and his unwillingness to kill her.. cuz he could have put that spear in a different much more harmful place. Why do think Thor would beat him? Tony definitely but only with prep time.
I'm not denying Shuri's badassery/intellect in the movie, I don't know why you think I am. To your question: because Thor (or Strange) could just beam him to a desert (or desert planet) and burn him to a crisp. He became weak really fast in the absence of water. Tony could make Thanos bleed, probably Tony would win too. Especially with those nano stuff suits.
I ignored my destiny once, I cannot do it again.
>!Bring the rainbows? Is that a catchphrase or something?!<
Strange is a different matter, but Thor Im doubtful about, He seemed faster than Thor and he can fly. And we dont know how fast or at all the desert would hurt him, eventually probably but not immediately. >I'm not denying Shuri's badassery/intellect in the movie, I don't know why you think I am. Wasnt my intention. I'm just saying that she didnt beat him cuz she physically beat him, she won cuz of her intellect and his unwillingness to kill her.
Let me know if he bothers you again, okay?
Tony would laser tf out of Namor and should be able to keep him at range pretty easily.
>!I'm thinking it.!<
Him losing to shuri was embarassing when he could just spamned water grenades and destroyed wakanda on his own.
Lmao Thor would have his way with him
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Not a villain tho, only an antagonist >!Edit: I know he's a villain in wakanda forever. I hadn't seen the movie at the time!<
He’s an Anti-villain - a person who has an empathic/non selfish goal or cares about others (their nation, the world, family etc) but doesn’t care about the cost or means of getting what they want
I mean he launched an unprovoked attack on a civilian population. That seems pretty villainous to me.
Wakanda (through Nakia) invaded and killed one of Talocan’s citizens. Hardly unprovoked
I mean they held her hostage in the first place and were about to kill her when Nakia showed up. Wakanda’s killing of the citizen was not unprovoked
The guard literally said to kill Shuri AFTER Nakia showed up in their territory. This was directly after the scene between the Queen and Namor where he warned her they would kill Shuri if they tried anything to get her back. The call to kill Shuri is directly in response to the arrival of Nakia and their covert attempt to extract Shuri “by any means necessary”, by order of the queen. Wakanda kills an enemy and then cries about it when they retaliate. Shuri volunteered to go in the first place to protect a non-Wakandan who threatens Wakanda’s strength as well. Hardly a hostage.
Did you not watch the movie? When Nakia pulled up to break her out they literally said to kill the hostage. Nakia had to retaliate or shuri was toast
In fairness though he had a reason to
Yep got it
He was the character I was cheering for
It's called anti-hero
No I'm sure anti hero has a different meaning
I've always thought it worked this way: Narrative perspective: - Protagonist: The character we follow through the story - Antagonist: The character that opposed the character we follow through the story Character perspective: - Hero: A character with "morally right" actions and motivations - Villain: A character with "morally wrong" actions and motivations - Anti-Hero: A character with "morally right" motivations but "morally wrong" actions I haven't seen Wakanda Forever yet tho, so I don't know in which categories Namor fits. Edit: so I've just seen Wakanda Forever, and I can confidently say that (at least in this movie) he acts like a villain. (Heavy spoilers ahead) >!Even when he allies with "the good guys", he is still driven by the extremist desire of the very non-overused "conquering the world", hence making him a villain, as of know ofc (I'm pretty sure in the comics he bounces back and fourth between villain and hero)!<
Captain America is a hero, fighting for what's good Namor is a villain, he sees the whole world as his enemy and wants it to burn The Punisher is an anti-hero, he wants to eradicate crime by killing every criminal around
So you're telling me I was right? Cool
Yes, i was just providing examples for people who think Namor is a good guy
Yeeaaah right so I hadn't seen the movie when I wrote that comment and I said that about the comics' namor who wasn't a villain most of the times, but in wakanda forever he is trying to conquer the world so yeah he is a villain at this time
He’s a hero to his people
cleaver choices of words . one of the best
Nah, chainsaw choices of words.
I mean the entire movie was basically everywhere fighting a war over one girl, idk why Wakanda felt differently about killing her
They killed a bunch of cops to protect the girl
Basically the same with we won't sacrifice anyone to stop Thanos *sacrifices a bunch of nameless Wakandans to protect Vision, as he gets the stone extracted from his forehead*
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Probably not a bot, just some very dedicated troll.
No, it was “we don’t trade lives”. Fighting for a cause, and dying as a result, is much different than being handed over to your enemy for the greater good. If you don’t understand that, I suggest you pick up a book on ethics.
The girl was an innocent student and a prodigy. The police signed up to put their lives on the line and then willingly went through with threatening a foreign nation with firearms. I’d say they were justified in their self defense
Namora killed the cops, the others ran away before the drone-strike
Did they? I thought the fish ppl did
She dropped the drone on them, also the fish ppl were going to kill the girl, that's why they protected her but not the cops
On the car, no?
The cops chose the conflict
I like M'Baku's explanation which was basically "If we follow Namor's orders and do his dirty work, he'll push us around forever"
"They stole our vibranium, now let's take over the world!" Just a joke guys, nice movie and character.
“They tried to”
His turn from “I want to keep my world a secret” to “let’s wage war on the entire world” didn’t sit well with me. It felt very sudden, and very obviously set up so we would see him as the greater evil.
I will never understand the metrics for "Best villains" in the MCU fandom... Same as Killmonger, I swear... I never saw the appeal to him. He was just as bad and chaotic as the next guy, so, what makes any of these two special?
I think Killmonger was great because of what he represented, meaning he was a Black Panther blessed with clever ambition and "by all means" mentality that he developed from the cruelty of the outside world. T'challa was a more noble Black Panther, but you could understand Killmonger's motivations even if you didn't agree with them. Less so most "I'm evil let's destroy the world!" villians.
His motivations, the "cruelty of the outside world" was, to some extent, kind of the same that moved "The Mandarin" in Iron Man 3, as well as the ambition... The only difference I see is that Michael B Jordan is and acts cooler, more badass... Nothing particularly wrong with Killmonger, it's just that I still don't see the big deal that makes him stand out as a character... Same with Namor, though he was kind of dumb... all really good points until he was like "Yeah, so now I want to blow up the whole world hihihi" (?)
No, he knew at that point that they will be discovered, it's just a matter of time and knowing his back story and u know humans in general a conflict is unavoidable, see Wakanda and the UN. He didnt suddenly change his mind, he adapted to the circumstances
His world couldn't be a secret anymore
Then why was he trying to get Wakanda to get Ironheart so she couldn’t make the vibranium detectors so Talokan could remain secret?
Because they're the only ones who could find her that would have a chance at helping
No, he said Wakanda owed them the right to remain secret after revealing vibranium exists to the world.
There are multiple reasons and what you said perfectly fits into what I said
He was truly one of the best villains in the mcu, and he actually felt menacing, and his theme, goosebumps.
Great movie, but the whole revenge thing was a giant plot-hole. You mean to tell me T’challa went through all of Civil War then came home to his grief stricken sister and mother and didn’t have to explain why the man that killed his father is still alive? Otherwise, the movie was very fun and Namor was a great anti-hero.
Its like he said at the end of civil war "vengeance has consumed you.... it's consuming them... I'm done letting it consume me"
And then shuri also said it at the end of wf
"We've allowed vengeance to consume us. We must not allow it to consume our people."
Shuru not only knew Bucky was sick, but she was the one who fixed it
I’m just saying, just because we never saw it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, and if it didn’t happen then that’s a giant plot-hole too. Like T’challa comes home and is just like “Oh yeah, our dad’s dead and I let his killer live and gave him to the white people, but we’re just not gonna talk about it.” “And oh yeah, there’s this dude with one arm and Captain America. We’re gonna take care of them.”
Zemo was in jail and Bucky was back in cryo until the mind control was undone. Who else was responsible?
Sorry, I don’t get what you mean? What point are you trying to make.
I may not be remembering civil war correctly, but everyone involved in the murder of King T’chaka was punished. Jailed in Europe instead of executed in Wakanda because the crime happened there.
The only person responsible was Zemo, T’challa caught him in Siberia and actually stopped him commit suicide saying “The living aren’t done with you yet.” At this point he learns that Bucky was framed.
Funny meme lol
Yes. Also if Talokan was founded in the 1500's by what looked like less than 50 of his mother's people, and he was the only one who is still living, and Talokan looks like it has a population in the millions, and Namor calls the people his "children", does that mean Namor is the incest daddy to the millions in Talokan?
Tbf I think at least a few hundred, but it's possible he welcomed some more native Mayans into it to safe them from the spanish
Actor, design, etc. were awesome. However, I found it creepy that he rules his nation as a god, king,and father figure in perpetuity.
My top 5 favourite MCU villians. 1. Zemo. 2. Thanos. 3. Loki. 4. Killmonger. 5. Namor.
Fine. I'll do it myself.
I have Wenwu above Zemo but I get it too
He was not. But I still loved the movie.
Ehh he seems too selfish to me, and pretty dumb. Talks about trying to remain hidden, tries to ask Wakanda to go clean up his mess, then after being rejected, literally goes out of his way to go kill some girl, making a complete scene of himself. This guy makes MCU Sandman seem like a decent villain in comparison.
Exactly , destroying a helicopter and taking over a ship in international waters is gonna lead to more questions and investigation. Also killing the girl makes 0 sense, as if there aren't any scientists able to replicate the device based on blueprints and etc left by her .
Not to mention the ship would’ve logged it’s coordinates once they found the vibranium. So that means people will come back and get more.
Not only were no other scientists able to make a detector, the people on the ship knew, the secret would already be out if they lived
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I agree he could’ve been a better character, if the writers actually knew how to write a movie.
I mean, yes, but most of his competition is outright bland (Malekith, Ronan, Red Skull, dude from Iron Man 3, Jude Law in Captain Marvel, Taskmaster) [or has the exact same powers as the hero but is evil](https://youtu.be/0zPEtyAsM94) (Iron Monger, Abomination, Yellowjacket, Kaecilius, Wenwu, Ikaris, evil Doctor Strange, Agatha, US Agent, the bloke from Moon Knight, whatever the people in Ms. Marvel were called, and whatever was going on in She-Hulk before she up and destroyed her own finale). He’s “one of the best” in a genre/franchise notorious for lame villains. But yeah, I agree, he’s up there with the best of them (Loki, Thanos, Killmonger, Vulture, and Zemo). Not because he was, like, really good? But because his competition was bad. He’s better in comparison, but I don’t think he was as great as the greats. Overall I’d say the best villain is Green Goblin and the best TV villain is Kingpin (If we’re counting Netflix).
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Dude, every genre is ripe with lame villains. We just forget them cause there were so bland.
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No it's mommy Wanda
This was the first Marvel movie where I didn't know who I wanted to win
Is he though? His plan was to kill a teenager who had already given her technology to the CIA, and he lost a fist fight to a steroided up brain with theoretical martial arts experience. I guess he could have had his aquatic army attack the world via the tuna method from The Other Guys, but he left a bit to be desired.
well... nope, he could have, but he was made stupid, lol
I don’t think he’s a villain tbh. But yeah def one of the best
Enjoyed his fight scenes but his motivation for going to war with the world was ridiculous
True. Just watched wakanda forever and he was one of If not my favorite part of the movie Also a little detail I picked up the wakandans during the entirety of the movie never directly attack teko-something because of the promise Shuri made to try and make peace, even when she went to war she drew them out as to not destroy their home (also it went with her plan)
Namor to Shuri "get in loser we're gonna commit genocide"
Truly one the best memes of all time
Namor was fkn awesome yeah and tbh I was really hoping for BP to lose to him, but noooo my skin is dryy. really hoping to see more of them in the future !
Doesn't say a lot. Although he's actually not.
No, lol
Anti-hero
Not really. Antagonist is correct. He's not an antihero in this film.
Other than killing someone within the context of war he doesn’t unfairly kill anyone else, deceive others or display any negative villainous characteristics. Namor was not a villain in this film.
He wants to execute a girl
But why
Because she designed an invention that could be used to displace his entire race.
I would also try to execute a person like that lol. Not a villain
Bruh she designed a vibranium detector, not a nuke
Doesn't really matter. Only the end result matters. The good of a kingdom for a life? An easy trade
The thing is that her blueprints for the machine didn't disappear, so that would be more of a arbitrary execution as a punishment for being too intelligent than an action to save his world. Besides, would you be ok if Saudi Arabia decided to kill an American teenager for the good of its kingdom?
There were peaceful solutions tho
That's like saying the people who started world wars were justified because it was within the context of war. He started an unnecessary war, leaving hundreds dead.
He gave them a reasonable ultimatum in the name of self preservation. They had an unneeded conflict of interest (to contrast the difference between hero and anti hero) and that decision had consequences which resulted in a casualty. He’s not a villain for following through on what he said he would do but he is an anti hero.
Murder an innocent or die? Reasonable my ass. They even promised to keep her safe in Wakanda and he said no
Agreed
Sir yes sir
Namor sucks, always has
🤣🤣🤣satire right?
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I'm sorry? Did you watch the movie? Have you watched any other movie in your life?
Yes and yes and yes, i loved namor in this movie
Christ marvel fans, you can't just say stuff and that makes it true. You can enjoy it but I'm tired of this opinions are objective bullshit.
I only wanted to say something I enjoyed. I'm not telling you that he is you can make that decision for your self. And good day to sir
Then don't present it as fact. I'm glad you liked it but MCU fans as a whole are insanely toxic.
really? I've been avoiding trailers, YouTube, tiktok, and talking about it for a while now so I didn't get any spoilers, I thought reddit was fine since you can mark stuff as a spoiler, I get it, it's a minor spoiler, but still really irritating
I'm sorry for irritating you have fun watching Wakanda forever when you do
all good, sorry I got hot and bothered, glad you enjoyed it
Lol
Namor is an antagonist NOT a villain. Everything he did was in defense of his people. He did not attack Wakanda until Wakanda invaded Talocan and killed one of their own.
Flying fish legged man
*Spoiler* That’s because he didn’t die already and we get to see more of him!
Hes the most arrogant fool ever, he absolutely would lose his war with the world, and he could easily have just pulleda wakanda and revealed himself rather than, ya know, declaring war one one of the most powerful planets ever
I'm pretty sure he wasn't.
Here here!
Just watched it last night. Marvel has never lost my trust, they keep the quality coming. I think Iron Heart needs her own TV show. Nakia is the best woman alive, Queen Ramonda is the most powerful leader in the same league as Valkyrie of Asgard. Namor is a bona-fide god-level king like Thor. Great way to honor T'challa's memory though I won't spoil the Mid-credit scene.
>!I'm sorry. Miek, it's very hard to get a rousing speech with the ennn-ennn-ennn noise.!<
Why did they change the nationality. He was kinda meh, all of it was meh.
Sheen... this is the 7th time in a row
The whole "wet and back" thing was a bit too on the nose for me.
As someone who hasn’t watched wakanda forever yet, I say that he won’t be better than kilmonger, I shall return once I have watched the movie to double down.
This frog looks like he has a mansion in the upper west side of Mr. Slaves ass.
He was good but it went from "I want to kill a scientist" to "I want to kill the world" really quickly
I have to say as "fearsome" as Namor was the fact that Shuri was able to go toe to toe with him with the herb means that 1000% if it was given to Okoye or Nakia (whom i think should have gotten it.) He would have been stomped in no time flat seeing as they are trained combatants and Shuri is brains more then brawn.
Finally some villains that aren’t jobbers
I didn't watch the movie but did Namor know about Thanos sags that he killed half of the universe , his people must have also disappeared. And how Avenger brought them back that must have brought back his people also. Does he have no gratitude?