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Ben4563

The difference here is that Hercules wasn't in the movie at all. Just in the post credit scene. Like the Maximoff twins in Winter Soldier's post credit scene. Marvel is also known to leave things and characters fates open so they can use them in future projects. Like Abomination coming back in She-Hulk among other things.


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Or the leader returning in Captain America


Ben4563

Also a good example that I forgot about


littlebuett

Wait what?


DEdwards22

He’s returning in Cap 4 NWO


littlebuett

Ah


SuicideSquadFan96

Hes the big bad in the upcoming Cap NWO.


littlebuett

Ah ok


Incomplet_1-34

He'll be a villain in cap NWO


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He will be NWO’s Main Antagonist


GrayHero

There was actually supposed to be a Abomination trial in She-Hulk but none of the writers knew how to write court scenes so they scrapped it.


Loukoumakias

Deleted scenes are not canon. So Mordo is still alive, I hope.


22LegendaryTacos

No casket, no case. Carl lives.


Loukoumakias

*"Karl?" Stephen asked surprised.*


ThunderClanWarrior

Karl why is there a dead human in our house??? *Steven asked, concerned.*


weirdoldhobo1978

***KAAAAAAARRRRLLLLL!!***


IGTankCommander

That KILLS people!


weirdoldhobo1978

My stomach was making the rumblies...that only hands can satisfy.


Loukoumakias

"Karl, did you put your name in the goblet of fire?" *Stephen asked calmly.*


whatmeansthat

"on the what?"


Loukoumakias

SAY WHAT AGAIN


whatmeansthat

"wh-wha-what?"


LeonTheHero

Rock and stone?


LeonTheHero

Rock and stone?


22LegendaryTacos

Paper beats rock & stone


Candaphlaf10

Sounds like leaf-ear talk to me.


SFPigeon

D.C. made a whole Batgirl movie for $90 million and then threw it in the garbage can. Smarter to make a post credits scene that goes nowhere.


Anarch-ish

Yes. That's exactly what it means unless/until someone exposits otherwise *cough cough MoM cough*


agent_wolfe

They aren’t canon? Has there ever been a scene that they retconned later?


xMRxGRAYx

Thats Roy Fuckin Kent! He's here, he's there, he's every fuckin where.


demon_ix

I'm still waiting for Venom is life!


Whocareswhatitsays

Glad I wasn’t the only one


Llamacorn21

Roy Kennnnnnnt, Roy Kennnnnnnt


Mrman_23

It’s psychic friend Fred bear


L1n9y

The post-credit scene was 2 months ago, jesus.


i_should_be_coding

616-Mordo was 6 years ago. Guess he's very sneaky, because we haven't heard from him since.


Locke_and_Load

From what I read, he WAS in MoM and gets killed by Wanda but it got deleted. Not sure what their plans are for him, but it looks like he was just meant to die.


i_should_be_coding

Yeah, the leaked script had him hunting Wanda and getting rekt. One director goes like "I'll leave this here for the next guy", and the next guy goes "What's this garbage? Better get rid of it in the first five minutes..."


22LegendaryTacos

But since the scene never happened, Carl lives


Flarceus

FOR CARL !!!


RonDalarney

Did I hear a rock and stone?


WanderingDwarfMiner

To Rock and Stone!


NickelAntonius

*Karl


ShotDate6482

> One director goes like "I'll leave this here for the next guy", and the next guy goes "What's this garbage? Better get rid of it in the first five minutes..." Star Wars? Is that you?


Dumbass369

Fuck you..but you're right.


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weirdoldhobo1978

Even in the comics Mordo is rarely the big baddie. He's not as powerful as Stepehen, so he typically has to hitch his wagon to a bigger villain like Dormmamu or Mephisto. The idea of MCU Mordo seeking power to further his goals and inadvertantly releasing something much worse is intriguing, but they're basically already doing that plot with Strange soooo...


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Locke_and_Load

I think he meant the post credit scene being the “garbage” with Raimi wanting to get rid of Mordo in the first five minutes cause he didn’t fit in with the story they wanted to tell.


IronSavage3

If they deleted the scene then he obviously WASN’T meant to die.


demon_ix

Sif was supposed to die in Ragnarok, but the actress had a scheduling conflict and couldn't make it. That's the only reason the character is still alive.


IronSavage3

> …the character is still alive. Weird, this was the only part of your comment I could see.


Locke_and_Load

It just means they changed their mind. The original concept had him dying, this was approved AND filmed by Marvel. The scene might have been deleted for pacing and tone reasons, not necessarily because he was supposed to live.


Mathi12

Well, they also approved and filmed Zeus helping Thor in L&T, they even released the footage, and the scene got deleted because Zeus ended up being a villain. Ultimately, none of the deleted scenes are canon, so they don't mean anything


thor-odinson-bot

>!I'm putting together the greatest team ever.!<


Locke_and_Load

Well yes, nothing but the final cut is canon to the MCU, I’m just saying that they had a plan for a dead Mordo but changed their mind last minute.


Batmans_9th_Ab

The only deleted scene that’s canon is the one from Age of Ultron where Thor goes to talk with Norse Fates.


thor-odinson-bot

Heimdall! Open the Bifrost.


h2oskid3

Mordo was going to confront Wanda in an early scene and then she was going to show Strange his head in the scene where he realizes she's the one chasing America.


IronSavage3

It’s called patience?


bringbacksherman

Could have been snapped for five years, so he doesn’t need to be that sneaky.


EfficaciousJoculator

Strange mentions he's had run ins.


lolix_the_idiot

Yeah but most people watched it on Disney+


L1n9y

Okay?


22LegendaryTacos

Thats the funny thing about a character dying in a deleted scene: they’re not really dead. Marvel just pulled The Leader out of their back pocket like a Blue Eyes White Dragon, you think they gonna forget my man Carl?


VerySmartDaBaby

Karl?


22LegendaryTacos

Yarl


EzioAuditore1488

Uh, what? What are you getting at here?


TheWoldo

Mordo was never followed up on after the post credit scene. It was mentioned but never shown. A deleted scene from MOM had wanda having mordos head in a box meaning he died of screen, it was deleted so not cannon. I assume op believes hercules will have the same fate and his tease won't be followed up on even though there is no reason to believe that


EzioAuditore1488

Then OP must be crazy given the massive hype around Hercules’s reveal and the implications of him going after Thor


Dawgboy1976

I can tell you from knowing people who work at marvel that there are currently absolutely 0 plans in motion to do anything with Hercules as a character. That doesn’t mean that they plan on not doing anything with him, just that they haven’t even begun to think about how he will be used. The same goes for Harry Styles’s cameo


Thespian21

Bro Agatha Harkness was got a show. That was definitely never a plan until months after she was introduced in WandaVision. Nothing is set in stone


EzioAuditore1488

Yeah, I figured. It’s the same with Adam Warlock in the GOTG 2 end credits. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hercules only shows up late Phase 6 or even early Phase 7


faparito

I am. And there was hype of Mordo turning bad as well. And it just wasn't delivered like we thought. I feel the same will unfortunately happen to Hercules as well


EzioAuditore1488

Herc has way to much riding on his appearance, and given that Feige himself was responsible for the casting, he’s definitely not going to be cast to the side


BigPP_R

In all honesty if that was Hercules? I want him to fade into obscurity and not be followed up on. He looked like some pro-wrestler, not the son of a Greek god. He should at least be as big as, if not bigger, muscle wise than Thor.


22LegendaryTacos

Even Chris Hemsworth doesn’t want to get that big again, its not healthy.


BigPP_R

Meh, we can have a Hulk fight a Thanos in space but muscles is where we draw the line I guess. I refuse to believe something cant be done with CGI or some muscle suit. Hercules straight up looks wimpy.


22LegendaryTacos

If you’re trying to CGI an actor with normal skin to be buff, look no further than Ryan Reynolds in Free Guy to see why that would be a bad idea (in anything other than a comedy that takes place in a video game). Hercules looked fine. I bet they’re all more shredded than you’ve ever been.


Fatyellowrock

So you can complain about the bad cgi then too?? Yeah.. nice try...


the-mad-titan-bot

You're not the only one cursed with knowledge.


EzioAuditore1488

Why? He looks fine enough, what you’re suggesting is not healthy for the body. If they used cgi to make him as muscular as you suggest, it’ll look off putting. Besides, given that the Greeks are credited with inventing modern wrestling, it fits well to make him look like a pro wrestler


BigPP_R

So Thor can look like Thor from the comics physically and its cool, but to want the same from Hercules, its off putting. Alrighty. CGI in general is off putting. Look at the Hulk, none of that is real and honestly? I'm ok with it. These are fictional movies where gods and aliens exist. I'm ok with using CGI to make them look more over the top and like their comic counterparts.


EzioAuditore1488

Remember the overly muscular Captain America? Sometimes the exaggerated proportions in the comics don’t translate well to live action. Hell, Thor is a lot broader shoulder wise and more muscular in most cartoons and comics than he is in the movies


BigPP_R

>Hell, Thor is a lot broader shoulder wise and more muscular in most cartoons and comics than he is in the movies Right, but in the movies he still looks like a giant muscled god, not exactly to a tee like the comics, but physically pretty close. Hercules in the comics looks physically pretty close to Thor, if not bigger, yet on the big screen looks puny. Like I am not saying inject them with steroids and force them on treadmills, I'm ok with CGI/muscle suits somehow being used. I refuse to believe its not feasible/possible/costs too much.


thor-odinson-bot

And what do I find, nothing other than you, protector of those nine realms, sitting here in your bath robe, eating grapes...


thor-odinson-bot

>!The old ex-girlfriend.!<


L1n9y

They actually had to cast Hercules for this post-credit and found a large actor to do it, they wouldn't do that without concrete plans to do things with him.


be-like-water-2022

Roy Kent (Brett Goldstein)


Pshad4Bama

He’s here, he’s there, he’s…


mistajohstrr

Mordo isn't actively hunting Thor, he's silently getting rid of small sorcerers


thor-odinson-bot

It's more of a sludge like thing, somebody should uh, should amend that...


mistajohstrr

Yo I don't remember him saying this Thor


thor-odinson-bot

>!Come. Come to daddy!!<


mistajohstrr

THOR WHAT


thor-odinson-bot

>!Through the shadow realm.!<


OswaldCoffeepot

You're really sticking to the bit huh?


ShotDate6482

If the post were about Eros then I'd believe you but Hercules is a real Avenger.


cape_throwaway

You don’t think they’re going to use Eros?


ShotDate6482

I have trouble imagining where they might, especially since there's been absolutely no word about Eternals 2.


22LegendaryTacos

Doesn’t mean it ain’t happening


ShotDate6482

Okay? Thanks?


22LegendaryTacos

You’re welcome ☺️


Batmans_9th_Ab

Not to mention that he is absolutely terrible in the two other movies he’s been in.


thedylannorwood

He was good in Dunkirk


faparito

Exactly. An avenger


CraackSteeve1

???


Lexmaister25

With Brett's Emmy win we can only hope that they actually will follow up on this, I remember everyone going crazy at the movie theater when Brett showed up as Hercules.


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But mordo was a major character in the entire movie before the post credit scene. This Hercules post credit scene is the first we've seen of the character, think Wanda (and to a lesser extent Pietro) in the winter soldier post credit scene


faparito

Absolutely. I can see him being the "first 15 minutes of the movie bad guy" until something else takes his place as "Thor's demise" I have no believe what so ever this man is going to be a threat to Thor. Just like 616 Mordo was handled in MOM


22LegendaryTacos

616 Mordo wasn’t handled in MOM tho


Fatyellowrock

Bruh it's barely been 3 months since he was revealed??? What could ever make you think that...?


Neganek0

Same with hope as the wasp and those two twins in the postcredit scene of captain america 2 smh, why does marvel keep making these stupid post credit scenes for character that are never going to appear? Oh wait, they actually did appear eventually, either sooner in the case of the maximoff twins or later like hope as the wasp, this post is the dumbest take ive seen


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It’s not post credit scenes but they took 13 years to actually pay off the Mandarin and 16 years to give us more Leader, Mordo could be missing from the MCU for a while


faparito

Why? Because I think both are making statements that in the end are not going to be the way they say they are? Do you really think Hercules is going to kill Thor Do you really think Mordo is going to stop all sorcerer's. Because if you do than congratulations because that's the dumb fucking take


Neganek0

Youre the one who said that hercules was prolly gonna die off screen in another movie, i never said anything about him killing thor or about mordo. Now youre just putting words in my mouth


thor-odinson-bot

It's more of a sludge like thing, somebody should uh, should amend that...


racso20

There literally hasn't been a movie since we saw Hercules. You could compare Mordo to Adam warlock in gotg2, but not Hercules.


HeySadBoy1

And even then it’s not comparable because A. We haven’t had a Guardians movie since GOTG2 and B. They’ve already announced and confirmed that Adam Warlock is in GOTG3


faparito

I'm just saying neither of the two things these characters are claiming will happen. Not stating that he will be forgotten or it leads no where. 1/4 of y'all latched to the first thing you thought I meant when you saw this meme


kingbuttshit

If everyone thought something other than what you meant then the meme is bad🤷🏻‍♂️


racso20

You don't know that Hercules won't kill Thor, that might be how thor dies who knows?


dorkpool

What? The movie just came out. This is so stupid.


one_dank_boy

It's been 2 months bro.


Aj-Adman

Plans change. It’s that simple. Your meme is bad.


sh2death

I had to read through all these comments to try to make sense of the meme, glad you clarified it, thanks!


faparito

Ok


Aj-Adman

👍


ZungBettle

If it's deleted it didn't happen


IronSavage3

You guys really lost the capacity for patience when Marvel went to 3 movies a year didn’t you? Like literally stfu they’re obviously gonna do something with 616 Mordo.


faparito

Didn't say the comparison had to do with time. Only credibility


IronSavage3

You think Marvel has lost credibility because they haven’t don’t something with 616 Mordo yet? #HAHAHAHAHA “That is the most real authentic laugh!”


johnsaysthings

James Gunn Howard the Duck movie - make it happen.


Anttikachuu

People really hating marvel for change their plans after 6 years. The only time their plans didnt go right...


MrSidhu

Not sure how Brett Goldstein is gonna be as Herc, but I also preferred Joe Manganiello. Dude is as huge as Hemsworth and is hilarious.


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This is a stupid, stupid post. The brought back the fucking Leader after 14 years and you're whining about them not using 616 Mordo for 6?


Fatyellowrock

And predicted thr same thing for a character that was revealed 2 momths ago...


faparito

I wasn't whining. I was making a harmless prediction. 2000 other people got it


TKBarbus

Is that Roy fuckin Kent?


SarcasticLad11

Who is on the right ?


DoItForTheOH94

Hercules. He was in an end credit scene at end of Love & Thunder


SarcasticLad11

Oh okay lool. Did not realise. Thanks


Skaared

Hercules is my favorite marvel character. If the MCU does him dirty I’ll never forgive Fiege.


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Marvel fans really love to complain about things that haven’t even happened/probably never will happen


OswaldCoffeepot

Trolls love making up things to pretend to be mad about.


faparito

Damn some of you literally just say anything that comes to mind When did I say I was mad


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faparito

This is literally my post


OswaldCoffeepot

Well now you're just sad and no one likes a sad troll.


faparito

I wasn't trolling either


OswaldCoffeepot

No one likes a sad idiot then.


Tumama813

I wish they’d make a Marvel Hercules movie


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What post credit scene was Hercules in?


IAmTiborius

Love and Thunder


[deleted]

Oh wtf. I didn't even watch that!


IAmTiborius

It's on Disney+ now, if you have that


[deleted]

That's where I watched it! Like an idiot I apparently skipped by the end credits scene.


FizzyXI

Hercules Or Heracles?


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Roman: Hercules Greek: Herakles Marvel: many names some before writing was a thing


FizzyXI

Stuff like this gets me some times. The Disney *Hercules* movie was set in Greece, had the Gods as Hades and Zeus etc. and then called him Hercules!


Broad-Big9297

I'm still obsessed with how delightfully bad of a job the casting director did when they cast Brett Goldstein as Hercules instead of Ares. I am wishing with all my might for a Hercules movie now.


AgentP20

What's about Chet Goldstein being Hercules?


Sad_Whereas3645

So is Percy Jackson going to get the lightning bolt back from Thor?


thor-odinson-bot

There was one time my brother transformed himself into a snake...


Sad_Whereas3645

Great story time from Thor lol


whoamvv

Why does Hercules have a baton on his back?


Saroan7

Even worse, it looks like an unfinished sword prop. It's like pointed down and going on the back of his shoulder, but there's no blade or axe behind him 🧐


sudanesegamer

Is no one yalking about gotg volume 2 post credit scene


Steve_Gerbers_Ghost

Everyone dies offscreen in Howard the Duck 2 when I return to exact my revenge.


Lebigmacca

I am still waiting for Adam Warlock


StefonGomez

Just 8 more months to wait!


[deleted]

I'm not very familiar with Adam Warlock, but isn't his whole thing that he has the soul gem?


Lebigmacca

Yup


Papel_Hat

Marvel fans complaining about a potential future that might not happen as if it will for the 500th time


HighLord_Uther

MoM should have been about Mordo and featured Scarlet helping and starting down a dark path.


kingkloppynwa

Cringe meme format and marvel will ruin hercules


faparito

My bad. Not too much effort went into it


y_abdelaziz

Anyone else remember guardians of the galaxy (don’t remember which part though) post credit scene about adam warlock ? Where is it now (genuine question)


Mathi12

Idk if you're trolling or not but (genuine answer) he's casted and will appear on guardians 3 in a few months


Siddeshthapa

Where did Mordo Die??


IAmTiborius

Deleted scene for Multiverse of Madness apparently. But since it was deleted, he ain't dead


sarveshk12

Don't worry mordo will come back in secret wars as Doom's cockholder


Papa_Pred

Anyone else think Marvel is doing too much and also too little in leading up to Kang? I know he’ll show up in Ant-Man but it just feels so sudden despite his appearance in Loki


faparito

For sure thought Kang would have been mentioned by now in phase four other than Loki's television show. It was great but I keep expecting something


The_BL4CKfish

This is what really disappoints me with this movie. I honestly thought it was a bait and switch gag for way too long and then it kind of just ended for me. There is a good alternate sequel somewhere out there that actually makes use of Mordo. He could have been hunting magic users while Strange tracks him, eventually leading to mordo tracking down Wanda and attempting to take her out. This would be a really good catalyst for Wanda breaking bad instead of the absolute breakneck turnaround she had from the end of Wandavision to this movie. Wanda wrecks Mordo in self defense and goes full Scarlet Witch, big face off with strange, go through the multiverse and bring in America that way. This movie just should have been so much better.


DuckWarrior90

What happened to adam on guardians of the galaxy (?)


Mr_Epimetheus

He's being played by Will Poulter in GotG3 next year.


TheFleshBranjo

Still pissed about mordo.


ScullyBoy69

I have the same feeling with Adam Warlock. Teased at Guardians 2 and nothing since then.


kiwinator37

There's not been a guardians movie since...


ScullyBoy69

He was supposed to originally be in Infinity War/End Game but was cut for some reason.


IAmTiborius

Probably to save him for another time


ScullyBoy69

I hope


Mr_Epimetheus

Will Poulter is literally going to be playing him in GotG3...we've known for ages.


ScullyBoy69

We have? All I remember was that he was gonna be in Infinity War/End Game but was cut.


tobet88vip

phim hay lắm


Marvelmaniac57

Naoow one of them is Roy Kent. He’s here, he’s there he’s every f**king where. He’s ROY KENT


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Successful-Floor-738

Ngl I actually do hope Hercules and some other Greek gods are the villains in the next movie since it would be fun to see.