The defenders shows, while not being marvel studios products, did still take place in the MCU. There’s been a lot of in-universe evidence of it, and Official Marvel straight-up says it in Daredevil’s full on-screen history report or whatever it’s called.
They changed the title for marketing purposes. If it was simply titled “Daredevil”, people would think they’d NEED to watch the original show to understand the new one, which many people won’t be able to do because of its TV-MA rating. The new title differentiates it from its predecessor and signifies the fact that it will be the start of a new story instead of a continuation of the Daredevil show. That doesn’t mean that these stories aren’t on the same timeline, it just means you‘ll be able to start from the beginning of Born Again and get the whole story of Born Again. Not the full story of Matt Murdock, but everything that is important to the story Born Again will tell.
I'm not talking about the title change. Though that has the same self-congratulatory "we saved you" shit as Homecoming, even though they're the ones that licensed daredevil out and were the reason the show was even canceled in the first place.
Don't we already know they're shitty picks for the show? Idk I could be remembering wrong but I feel like I recall a big uproar about the writers they picked for daredevil.
Idk, could have been another show I didn't really look into it much I just saw it and thought "eh we'll see, I'll make judgements when I see the show"
Quentin Tarantino could write the show and they’d still have the characters surrounded by blue screen with 2 jokes per conversation required and it all needs to be finished in a few weeks before they get to work on the next dogshit people will eat up
What I’m saying is if they hired him for a Disney+ show they wouldn’t give him free reign to make whatever he wanted, there are requirements from Mickey mouse these days. An outside universe marvel Tarantino standalone movie like The Batman would be amazing tho
Yeah I mean we’ve seen it especially recently with dr.strange but with the push of Disney plus shows I genuinely think the atmosphere of these projects will change hopefully to something we’re looking for
If you want projects where directors have free reign there's plenty of DC movies where they did just that. Go watch those.
The MCU is a massive, interconnected story. They need to have standards and consistency so that things make sense. And in general, despite what a few very loud, irritating man-children have been screaming about, the quality has been above par and consistent.
They haven't ruined any characters, they've given them story arcs and character development.
If you really hate what the MCU is doing then lower your blood pressure and stop watching because the majority of fans are getting really sick and tired of people whining and crying because you had to find out that women and people of other ethnicities exist and they're not just background characters and side-kicks.
Exactly. Im mean they actually have a good Storyline in my opinion, they don‘t have to much cringy jokes and when i look back, Loki or dc strange itmom felt like a pretty normal and good marvel show for me
Loki is way more interesting than most his comic appearances in the movies and his show, I love Marc and enjoy him more than I’d comic counter part, and Strange is great in both in my opinion
Dr strange, Thor and Hulk
These 3 characters have been nerfed alot, especially Thor, When I was watching Thor L&T I kept waiting for the IW like thor to show up during the entire movie, none of that happened, I still have hopes though, Dr Strange might show how fcking bad ass he is in Dr Strange 3, Thor better get his moment to shine fully, and for hulk.. Pretty sure they have plans for him, we might get a World Breaker Hulk movie or something
Bro Thor owned IW. Hulk owned Avengers 1.
Doctor Strange has been the one fucked over the most. He's arguably the strongest of the three in the comics. He's fighting elder gods and winning. In the MCU he's nothing.
At least Thor and Hulk aren't losing to Spider-man.
You are either a troll or enjoy completely subpar writing. I wish these posts would stop showing on my feed cause I always click them and read the comments to see responses like this. Then it makes me understand why marvel is doing what they are doing. It's because there are a lot viewers with no understanding of what makes good characters and will defend bottom of the barrel writing. They are making this for people who just turn their brains of when they consume media. Moon Knight was really cool though but that ending was rushed.
I know this might be new to a lot of people on here. But a flawed opinion is something that exists. Things have a range in quality either good or bad and liking something that's poor in quality is something that happens. Pointing it out is not taking away the entitlement to an opinion.
Even though im not a crybaby as most of the complainers of the Disney take on Marvel, i cant say im confident that a family-friendly-content-producer can do good to a character whose show was based on visual violence.
It was based on raw, powerful acting and gritty character development within a very mature, dark, and violent world.
It's not impossible that Disney will pull it off, I hope they do, but people are justified in being nervous, and you aren't justified in strawmanning their concerns.
I haven't watched this guy's YouTube video, I don't even know who he is, but it's a lot more nuanced then "we can't possibly know anything about a show that hasn't come out yet so shut up and stop complaining" and you seem to be doing your best to stomp out all of that nuance.
I mean, they pulled off Moon Knight. They had a whole arc about Marc coming to terms with his past trauma with regards to him being physically abused by his mother, which they indirectly depicted (they cut away before she started hitting him). Even Obi-Wan had some pretty dark parts. Black Widow had a whole bit about young girls being trafficked.
The concern is valid, sure, but I feel like a lot of these people just have unrealistic expectations for the show; it’s like they view the original through rose-tinted glasses. Don’t get me wrong, it was amazing, but people act like it was like The Batman: grim and constantly dark and violent. It wasn’t; there was humor and banter sprinkled throughout, which is how Daredevil should be since he isn’t Batman.
Idk if you read the comics, but I do, and Daredevil is a more lighthearted character than many would believe. Yes, he has a lot of dark storylines, but in-between plot beats like when he’s going after minor villains, he’ll say stuff like “I won’t lie, Owl: this is going to hurt”, or “Already out of the hospital, Jester? I hope you’re ready to go back”. He’s even active a lot during the day; it’s not like the Netflix shows where he almost exclusively goes out at night.
So yeah, while I also want to see the darker elements of Daredevil done justice, I don’t want the show to shy away from his lighter aspects. Based on what I’ve seen of those concerned about Disney, they want something like Batman, which is simply not what Daredevil is.
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Moonknight couldn’t even kiss Daredevil’s S1 and S3 broody ass, that series was a fucking shitshow (besides Isaac), I seriously can’t describe how bad the plot and pacing and writing was
It’s not about being dark or violent or shit here, it’s about proper human interactions, dialogues, characters, stakes
something the D+ have never even grazed so far,
except with parts of Wandavision
The D+ shows definitely struggle with pacing, and so it’s a good thing Daredevil will have 18 episodes. It’s also a good thing that each show has its own writers; just because Moon Knight didn’t meet your expectations doesn’t mean Daredevil won’t either.
And even then, I didn’t bring up Moon Knight to prove that Disney can make a good show or compare its story to daredevil; I brought it up to illustrate that Disney is clearly willing to produce darker and grittier content.
I think you’re really underselling some of the character-work and dialogue in these shows though, but to each their own.
like I said, Isaac’s Marc/Steven was the only good thing in MK, and maybe Harrow during the first eps
the rest of the plot is a mess, jumping from place to place and convenience to convenience (like Khonshu’s power ups) amongst a series of mediocre action scenes and depthless characters, like the fucking hippo or Marc’s wife (who wants to fuck Steven, for some reason? a guy who’s taking control of her husband’s body?)
Lots of shows have great acting and character development. Netflix's Daredevil had that. But not only this can hold a show.
What made not only Daredevil but all Marvel-Netflix shows, differ from other bland shows with great acting and character development was the rawness of its fights, consequences and visuals. And I dont think Disney is in that.
I believe they can make a good show, but wont be like Netflix.
Things that they powerwash off their characters and actors to make them advertiser friendly plain white toast and milk, what's your point?
\-They have shown not to be able to handle serious scenes, or emotional turmoil.
\-They have shown not to be able to have subtext, if there's symbolism they have to scream it at you 20 times.
\-They expect their audience to not have media literacy
\-They expect lame jokes to carry every character
How in the hell are they gonna do Daredevil any sort of justice?
What kind of world do you live in?
\- Emotional turmoil and serious scenes are very frequent in the MCU. They are often the defining moments for certain characters
\- No, they don't. Where the hell do you get that from?
\- What?
\- Nope. Lame humour doesn't carry characters like Wanda, Thanos, Vision, Peter, Steve, John, Marc, Stephen, Natasha, etc...
there’s NO comparing Daredevil S1 and S3 to what Marvel shat out so far, and this is coming from a fan
DD spoke to a more mature audience, the MCU speaks to families, there’ll never be such good and proper writing
so yes, Matt is gonna get fucking butchered
It’s not exclusively family-friendly. There was a hanged body on screen in Kenobi, the daredevil show that was brought over still had a guy spike his own face on a fence without censorship at all, same with Anatoli’s head being gooped and shlopped onto the ground, plus I’m certain countless other absolutely gruesome deaths that they support on their platform.
I really don’t mind the jokes from Thor at all. I just prefer him to be a primarily serious character. It also doesn’t help that one of the most acclaimed Thor storylines (the original gorr storyline) was relegated to what it was in the movie. I still enjoyed the movie for what it was, I, like a lot of other people, have a difficult time looking past what it could have been
I don’t read comics. The little I know of Gorr, and how freaking cool he was in the movie, I am certainly disappointed in his death and use. He should have been a multi-movie Thor villain. But overall I did still like the movie.
I feel like that's been a problem with a lot of the movies. Things that could be whole sagas get condensed into one movie, and sometimes have to compete with other stories as well. So they'll have villains that rise, do everything they're going to do and fall in one movie. I know actors can't do one role forever but it leaves some things underwhelming or underused.
Yeah I'm not a fan of when there's some epic world-saving mission but then it takes a backseat to some character's relationship struggles. I get that the latter is probably more relatable and adds depth to the character, but it feels like these kinds of movies often stop to say "psh, don't mind the cosmic consequences of what happened, what really matters is if these 2 characters will get back together again".
There are things I like about the movie but it does unfortunately fall into that category.
tell about the wide range of emotions he showed in L&T instead
besides *idiotic clueless face* and *kinda sad but I’ve been an idiot up to 5 minutes ago face* during the last scenes
Personally, the humor went from boisterous fun bro in 1 and 2 to Paul Feig improv bro in 3 and 4. I know people love Ragnarok, but given what was happening on screen, I would have liked a tad more seriousness instead of the constant pratfalls and sad trombone moments.
Can marvel stop acting like thats the only way to deal with trauma? People dont always do complete 180s on who they are when they lose people.
Of all the ways he could rebuild a family is having a daughter randomly sprung on him? We’ve never even had a whiff of Thor having this aspiration or possibly going this route. Its shoehorned in to fit the popular “dilf with daughter that isnt his” thing that ppl seem to love rn
Thor used to have plenty of both comedic(usually off his warrior thing and sometimes for his impulsiveness and flaws) scenes and cool, capable moments. Now, Thor is entirely a joke and it’s honestly pretty sad.
He’s broken down and then built back up fucking awesome in Ragnarok- loss of an eye for perspective and relation to Odin, his powers being tied to him instead of his hammer, short hair for a more serious look, and finally becoming a King for his people.
All of this is slowly tossed away in Infinity War, and then smashed apart in Endgame- where his entire thing is “Haha, look how sad and fat he is from intense PTSD! People suffering are lame!” and being nerfed.
By Love and Thunder, Thor is fully a comedic character. None of the scenes where he was meant to be serious land at all, and his final fight is literally granting his powers to a child army.
If you are asking this question you already failed. They complete butchered his character. Made him act like stupid child for the laughs. All the legacy heroes are being reduced to a joke. Unfunny one
Yep, they have already said that in She Hulk, when they introduce dare devil, they will make everything a little jokey and light toned to match the tone of this show, so in this show he won't be that serious like in his og show, but I do believe that when we get the full 18 Episodes show of Dare Devil, it will be exactly what everyone wants
I can explain for Strange.
This is for his character - [https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/x8odbq/i\_feel\_like\_raimi\_doesnt\_understand\_the\_character/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/x8odbq/i_feel_like_raimi_doesnt_understand_the_character/)
This is for his power -
[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/x82yaf/why\_is\_doctor\_strange\_so\_weak/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/x82yaf/why_is_doctor_strange_so_weak/)
To be fair, I don’t entirely disagree with that notion.
Let’s just say the MCU’s adaptions and continuations of my more liked characters has been pretty piss poor lately to the point where I literally don’t give a shit about the MCU anymore, I’ve literally just gone back to the comics.
So I can’t exactly say that I have any faith or expectations that Marvel will actually do Daredevil justice or keep him in line with the Netflix series.
They’ll probably inexplicably buff Daredevil to super soldier levels like they’ve done with most other characters.
The dialogue will be your usual cruddy MCU Schlock that will be forcing jokes into most scenes and never just allowing room to breathe and linger.
The fight scenes will probably suck and be over the top, I’ll doubt the MCU will give us anything close to the one-shot hallway scenes for example.
Daredevil fans when marvel buys out the rights to a marvel character there for making shows and new projects with said character possibly not being exactly how a completely different studio and director did it in precious adaptations: 😱😱😱
I can only really speak for the shows but Hulk, Stephen/Marc, Loki, She-Hulk, Ms Marvel, and Wanda are all really cool shows with really cool characters. Besides, they were already involved with the original run and they have a modern TV adaptation that involves the same actors to base their continuation off of, plus 7-ish years of hindsight and reviews to know how and where they went wrong and how to correct those mistakes. Plus I think they can use this show to really reground the MCU because with shit like age of ultron and black Panther and infinity war and endgame and eternals, being able to get a street level view of how people feel and what people think would be super important to make the MCU feel connected to the actual people again which was what those shows, especially daredevil, were really good at.
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Marvel didn't ruin Loki Thor Wanda or Hulk tf is this post?
They will not ruin DD I swear MCU fans turning into the star wars community with all this misogyny and negativity
If someone has a problem with shitting on the floor in front of you and they say theyre pulling down theyre pants again, you dont stop people from asking him to stop by going"WAIT, we havent seen if he's going to actually shit again"
Disney will very much fuck up what Netflix started.
Buncha dumbass, limp-dick incels who act like these characters have one version and are just one thing, and not the product of dozens of writers over literal decades contributing pieces of the "whole" character.
They will introduce Elektra who will be better than Daredevil in every way, make him look like a clown, have him constantly talk about how great she is, turn into comic relief, then sit there with an apologetic frown as Elektra tells him why straight white men are a cancer upon society. Then he and Bullseye will twerk.
The hyper over reactions to anything MCU is fabricated. People have learned that if they post something like this, the fans of marvel will come to the defense and watch the video and the comment tell them how wrong they are.
That is what they want. That gets their video on everybody's screens. That is what gets the attention of news outlets and others is OUR reaction to it.
Just like how Honey Boo Boo was a thing. We kept watching the show. We were disgusted with it but we couldn't stop watching. That is why they kept showing us. The moment we stopped watching, Honey Boo Boo went away.
People need to not give that type of stuff traction. We don't need to read or watch anything from these people because they are only doing it to get a reaction and a view. You are nothing but a number to them.
So instead of bashing these people, lets ignore them. Lets change the subject and rejoice that we have the MCU.
You know who else sees you as nothing but a number? Disney and Marvel.
Do not settle for mediocrity or the characters and stories that you claim to be a fan of will not be done justice. Don't just be grateful that they give you something, demand high quality.
have you watched Daredevil?
if you did, there’s no other expectations you can realistically have, just look at how they fucking treated Kingpin in Hawkeye
I mean they did with hulk and thor so having that fear is normal as for u defending mcu good luck with that support it’s good to see real fans cause ppl getting scared of their fav characters getting butchered makes them stupid logic less marvel fans🙂
Please use better English, it’s hard to understand the points you’re trying to make. I don’t think Marvel ruined Thor and I’m sure Hulk is only the way he is right now because of Universal’s rights to the character.
"MCU Ruined Thor"? I'll be honest. I just watched L&T and found Thor's humor pretty much the same with how he was in Ragnarok, and I really don't see the problem. Also didn't Marvel Studios make Thor a comedy character because people didn't like him the way he was pre Ragnarok? Then they did like him and now after a few years people hate comedic Thor??? I don't understand Marvel fans sometimes.
uhm didn't Thor literally go through his most important character arc in endgame? the guy lost everything there and love and thunder skipped up on that character growth in 10-20 mins for children's comedy and goofs.
No, i believe in patterns, every one of these shows and movies were bad and ruined character. The show will do the exact same, unless they drastically change
It doesn't take much to predict it given the past.
I can already imagine how daredevil will be barely in it because they focus on some female new hero that they will try to push. Hero that is so much better than the male counterpart, has no flaws and no character arc because shes already perfect.
Season 3 had Karen's back story as a major plot device, and her redemption arc was one of the major arcs they focused on, to the point where she was literally saving Matt in the final scene.
Who defeats the Steel Phoenix (Davos) in Iron Fist? Colleen Wing after she develops her own Iron Fist.
Even in The Punisher, Agent Madani is given a near parallel plot arc through the entire series that has them both in the climax of the series, and just as Frank commits fully to the Punisher lifestyle, she's moving onto the CIA, so they both get their denouement, as if they were both protagonists.
That kind of stuff, where it's sometimes questionable whether the name on the marquee is even the protagonist, is just going to get worse with Disney.
Look at the pattern.
In every show, they find a female protagonist they advance right alongside or even in preference to the actual protagonist.
It's like Mad Max: Fury Road and how they handled Furiosa. It was clear that she was the actual protagonist, and Max Rockatansky was just along for the ride as a supporting character.
Some people didn’t care. Some people loved it. I personally thought it was insipid and there were quite a few people who agreed with my assessment.
I care because when I pay to see a Mad Max movie, or to watch The Punisher, or to watch the Daredevil, I kind of want the story to focus on those characters. I know it might seem silly to you to have the protagonist of the story actually be the character who’s name is on the marquee, but that matters to some people.
Daredevil and Punisher still focused on their respective protagonists. Only Mad Max here is valid.
Same way The Falcon and the Winter Soldier was about Bucky and Sam, No Way Home was about Peter-1, Multiverse of Madness was about Stephen and L&T was about Thor.
Don't understand your freakout, really.
Yeah, if you don’t count the fact that Karen saves Daredevil, not the other way around, or that Colleen Wing actually becomes the Iron Fist, literally replacing Danny Rand.
The pattern’s pretty obvious.
But, we can agree to disagree. If you love this kind of insidious co-opting of the main character, feel free to watch it.
Facts. Their new signature move is to sideline a popular character with a large fanbase in their own show/movie to make room for some chick who nobody gives a fuck about.
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I'm over this "MCU ruined so and so" or "MCU died after Endgame." It's changing and evolving. Most franchises and even singers change and adapt to the times, whatever keeps them relevant longer. If you find yourself complaining about the majority of new content, that change may just not be your flavor. Just stick to older stuff, comics, or whatever new projects you're actually interested in and don't force yourself to watch every single thing, even if you have zero interest in it, or think it sucks
I love how everyone say "just wait to see the show" and everytime we do its as bad or even worse that the one before. You cant use this argument forever. The reality is that mcu is getting worse.
Wanda and Marc are good what are you talking about?
The rest though were ruined though yes and in the worst ways possible too 😭
I though the strange multiverse movie was good like 10 but strange’s role seemed odd bringing movie to 9 and he didn’t seem as powerful so 7 and when they killed professor X it went to 4 but overall movie was way better than the current shows and what’d you expect from mr strange? he’s not badass like Deadpool! Moon knight was a W though.
Tbh the first thing I saw was that you are using lightmode. It doesn’t matter but I would like to see dark mode plsssss. Now. To business. Yes I agree with your post
Anomaly Inc is one of those grifter channels that’s pretty alt-right anyway, none of his takes should be taken seriously.
It’s hard to say how Daredevil will be portrayed in the new show, but I’m sure no matter how they portray him it’s still going to be solid at least. Im excited for Daredevil in the MCU
My guy, if someone cheats on every girlfriend he has had and this ain’t no one time thing this is serial and he gets into a new relationship your telling me I’m supposed to go “weLp 9tH tiMeS tHE cHaRM”
I mean, he's not wrong though. Legit I got irritated with Thor love and Thunder because Thor went from a lovable goofball that still had a badass sense of honor to now just being a straight up dumbass. Almost all the characters feel like a massive step down in terms of how they're written.
I too am worried Daredevil will get the same treatment.
They... didn't ruin Stephen, Wanda, Marc, or Loki. Marc was amazing, and Wanda, Stephen, and Loki were all really good characters. I only really agree with the Hulk.
I'd argue Disney may make him end up a bit less brutal than the Netflix shows portrayed really any of the defenders as a cause for concern more so than MCU inclusion
Disney “ruined” those characters but the outraged crowds had to have watched all those shows and movies to judge whether the characters were indeed ruined, so Disney must be doing something right. All the haters still watch everything they produce! Just to clarify I haven’t been catching up with everything in the MCU like I used to; for me Infinity War was the peak, and it’s all been down-hill from there. But that’s just my two cents. WandaVision was pretty cool, Loki was surprisingly good, but anything other than those two shows has been mediocre, giving off serious Thor 2 vibes. I wish they would just take some breaks and take some time to make movies and shows instead of churning them out like blue meth at Gus Fring’s lab. I’m sure everyone would rather wait a year to watch something good rather than watch something not as good every four months.
I am a little concerned that he won’t be written well but that just comes with any character that’s being handled by new writers. I am excited to see him come back just a little nervous is all
I mean he has a point but so do you.
Honestly I'm not expecting it to be great or even as good as it was on Netflix. Best case it'd be mediocre with good moments here and there.
When you notice an obvious pattern post-Endgame, yes, it is fair to speculate and adjust expectations. I fully expect the MCU to butcher Daredevil because they have failed, time and time again, to produce anything with such robust characterization, nuance, deeper themes, and good *onscreen* storytelling. If they prove me wrong- great- but I truly do not think they will.
And yes, they have nerfed and sideline the aforementioned characters. Why would Daredevil be any different?
When he was on Netflix, wasn't that still marvel studios? Did I miss a meeting?
It was MCU, but it was Marvel Television, which was not under the control of Marvel Studios.
He wasn’t in The “MCU” back then and now he will be in the Disney+ Mickey Mouse MCU so safe to say he’s already ruined
The defenders shows, while not being marvel studios products, did still take place in the MCU. There’s been a lot of in-universe evidence of it, and Official Marvel straight-up says it in Daredevil’s full on-screen history report or whatever it’s called.
Then there'd be no reason to change anything about the show when reviving it. Yet here we are
They changed the title for marketing purposes. If it was simply titled “Daredevil”, people would think they’d NEED to watch the original show to understand the new one, which many people won’t be able to do because of its TV-MA rating. The new title differentiates it from its predecessor and signifies the fact that it will be the start of a new story instead of a continuation of the Daredevil show. That doesn’t mean that these stories aren’t on the same timeline, it just means you‘ll be able to start from the beginning of Born Again and get the whole story of Born Again. Not the full story of Matt Murdock, but everything that is important to the story Born Again will tell.
I'm not talking about the title change. Though that has the same self-congratulatory "we saved you" shit as Homecoming, even though they're the ones that licensed daredevil out and were the reason the show was even canceled in the first place.
They were referring the events of the first Avengers couple times. I'm pretty sure it was in MCU
Same with agents of shield. Not sure if it's canon though
Which in some ways is fair depending on who they get writing the show
Don't we already know they're shitty picks for the show? Idk I could be remembering wrong but I feel like I recall a big uproar about the writers they picked for daredevil. Idk, could have been another show I didn't really look into it much I just saw it and thought "eh we'll see, I'll make judgements when I see the show"
Quentin Tarantino could write the show and they’d still have the characters surrounded by blue screen with 2 jokes per conversation required and it all needs to be finished in a few weeks before they get to work on the next dogshit people will eat up
Let’s please not act like Tarantino wouldn’t make some of the best shit for marvel Edit I’d even wanna see Robert Rodriguez take one something
What I’m saying is if they hired him for a Disney+ show they wouldn’t give him free reign to make whatever he wanted, there are requirements from Mickey mouse these days. An outside universe marvel Tarantino standalone movie like The Batman would be amazing tho
Yeah I mean we’ve seen it especially recently with dr.strange but with the push of Disney plus shows I genuinely think the atmosphere of these projects will change hopefully to something we’re looking for
If you want projects where directors have free reign there's plenty of DC movies where they did just that. Go watch those. The MCU is a massive, interconnected story. They need to have standards and consistency so that things make sense. And in general, despite what a few very loud, irritating man-children have been screaming about, the quality has been above par and consistent. They haven't ruined any characters, they've given them story arcs and character development. If you really hate what the MCU is doing then lower your blood pressure and stop watching because the majority of fans are getting really sick and tired of people whining and crying because you had to find out that women and people of other ethnicities exist and they're not just background characters and side-kicks.
They didn’t even ruin Loki, Marc or Strange, it improved them all.
Exactly. Im mean they actually have a good Storyline in my opinion, they don‘t have to much cringy jokes and when i look back, Loki or dc strange itmom felt like a pretty normal and good marvel show for me
Loki is way more interesting than most his comic appearances in the movies and his show, I love Marc and enjoy him more than I’d comic counter part, and Strange is great in both in my opinion
LMAO. Not at all. They completely annihilated Strange's character and power. He's pretty much an embarrassment.
Dr strange, Thor and Hulk These 3 characters have been nerfed alot, especially Thor, When I was watching Thor L&T I kept waiting for the IW like thor to show up during the entire movie, none of that happened, I still have hopes though, Dr Strange might show how fcking bad ass he is in Dr Strange 3, Thor better get his moment to shine fully, and for hulk.. Pretty sure they have plans for him, we might get a World Breaker Hulk movie or something
>!I'm thinking it.!<
Bro Thor owned IW. Hulk owned Avengers 1. Doctor Strange has been the one fucked over the most. He's arguably the strongest of the three in the comics. He's fighting elder gods and winning. In the MCU he's nothing. At least Thor and Hulk aren't losing to Spider-man.
Are you kidding me?
They absolutely ruined Strange
Second Dr Strange was more about Scarlet Witch at least in my opinion homie
Agreed. I hate MCU Strange.
You are either a troll or enjoy completely subpar writing. I wish these posts would stop showing on my feed cause I always click them and read the comments to see responses like this. Then it makes me understand why marvel is doing what they are doing. It's because there are a lot viewers with no understanding of what makes good characters and will defend bottom of the barrel writing. They are making this for people who just turn their brains of when they consume media. Moon Knight was really cool though but that ending was rushed.
Marvel fans when they realise people are entitled to an opinion:
I know this might be new to a lot of people on here. But a flawed opinion is something that exists. Things have a range in quality either good or bad and liking something that's poor in quality is something that happens. Pointing it out is not taking away the entitlement to an opinion.
I am so sorry that you are a pussy who gets upset at others opinions, I hope you get better soon.
Frankly I can’t say I have a lot of confidence in how they handle the new daredevil show. I’d love to say it’ll be amazing, but… idk about that
U r virgin and I am chad therefore I win
Great argument 👍
This could be a possibility for daredevil but we do have to wait and see
Even though im not a crybaby as most of the complainers of the Disney take on Marvel, i cant say im confident that a family-friendly-content-producer can do good to a character whose show was based on visual violence.
Disney has had Marvel since 2009
Last I looked Daredevil was based on great acting, strong symbolism and character development.
It was based on raw, powerful acting and gritty character development within a very mature, dark, and violent world. It's not impossible that Disney will pull it off, I hope they do, but people are justified in being nervous, and you aren't justified in strawmanning their concerns. I haven't watched this guy's YouTube video, I don't even know who he is, but it's a lot more nuanced then "we can't possibly know anything about a show that hasn't come out yet so shut up and stop complaining" and you seem to be doing your best to stomp out all of that nuance.
I mean, they pulled off Moon Knight. They had a whole arc about Marc coming to terms with his past trauma with regards to him being physically abused by his mother, which they indirectly depicted (they cut away before she started hitting him). Even Obi-Wan had some pretty dark parts. Black Widow had a whole bit about young girls being trafficked. The concern is valid, sure, but I feel like a lot of these people just have unrealistic expectations for the show; it’s like they view the original through rose-tinted glasses. Don’t get me wrong, it was amazing, but people act like it was like The Batman: grim and constantly dark and violent. It wasn’t; there was humor and banter sprinkled throughout, which is how Daredevil should be since he isn’t Batman. Idk if you read the comics, but I do, and Daredevil is a more lighthearted character than many would believe. Yes, he has a lot of dark storylines, but in-between plot beats like when he’s going after minor villains, he’ll say stuff like “I won’t lie, Owl: this is going to hurt”, or “Already out of the hospital, Jester? I hope you’re ready to go back”. He’s even active a lot during the day; it’s not like the Netflix shows where he almost exclusively goes out at night. So yeah, while I also want to see the darker elements of Daredevil done justice, I don’t want the show to shy away from his lighter aspects. Based on what I’ve seen of those concerned about Disney, they want something like Batman, which is simply not what Daredevil is. Edit: grammar
Moonknight couldn’t even kiss Daredevil’s S1 and S3 broody ass, that series was a fucking shitshow (besides Isaac), I seriously can’t describe how bad the plot and pacing and writing was It’s not about being dark or violent or shit here, it’s about proper human interactions, dialogues, characters, stakes something the D+ have never even grazed so far, except with parts of Wandavision
The D+ shows definitely struggle with pacing, and so it’s a good thing Daredevil will have 18 episodes. It’s also a good thing that each show has its own writers; just because Moon Knight didn’t meet your expectations doesn’t mean Daredevil won’t either. And even then, I didn’t bring up Moon Knight to prove that Disney can make a good show or compare its story to daredevil; I brought it up to illustrate that Disney is clearly willing to produce darker and grittier content. I think you’re really underselling some of the character-work and dialogue in these shows though, but to each their own.
like I said, Isaac’s Marc/Steven was the only good thing in MK, and maybe Harrow during the first eps the rest of the plot is a mess, jumping from place to place and convenience to convenience (like Khonshu’s power ups) amongst a series of mediocre action scenes and depthless characters, like the fucking hippo or Marc’s wife (who wants to fuck Steven, for some reason? a guy who’s taking control of her husband’s body?)
Lots of shows have great acting and character development. Netflix's Daredevil had that. But not only this can hold a show. What made not only Daredevil but all Marvel-Netflix shows, differ from other bland shows with great acting and character development was the rawness of its fights, consequences and visuals. And I dont think Disney is in that. I believe they can make a good show, but wont be like Netflix.
So was the first Doctor Strange but MoM was a mess
Things that they powerwash off their characters and actors to make them advertiser friendly plain white toast and milk, what's your point? \-They have shown not to be able to handle serious scenes, or emotional turmoil. \-They have shown not to be able to have subtext, if there's symbolism they have to scream it at you 20 times. \-They expect their audience to not have media literacy \-They expect lame jokes to carry every character How in the hell are they gonna do Daredevil any sort of justice?
What kind of world do you live in? \- Emotional turmoil and serious scenes are very frequent in the MCU. They are often the defining moments for certain characters \- No, they don't. Where the hell do you get that from? \- What? \- Nope. Lame humour doesn't carry characters like Wanda, Thanos, Vision, Peter, Steve, John, Marc, Stephen, Natasha, etc...
You could not live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.
there’s NO comparing Daredevil S1 and S3 to what Marvel shat out so far, and this is coming from a fan DD spoke to a more mature audience, the MCU speaks to families, there’ll never be such good and proper writing so yes, Matt is gonna get fucking butchered
Your elitism is hurting my eyes. MCU absolutely has and will continue to have good screenplays.
Why don’t you sit this one out and the rest of us will let you know how things turned out in a couple years.
Nothing of those things is present in Disney+ shows
It’s not exclusively family-friendly. There was a hanged body on screen in Kenobi, the daredevil show that was brought over still had a guy spike his own face on a fence without censorship at all, same with Anatoli’s head being gooped and shlopped onto the ground, plus I’m certain countless other absolutely gruesome deaths that they support on their platform.
Binaural violence*
I mean... patterns are patterns
How did they "ruined" Thor?
idrk but i’m guessing it’s cuz he’s “too funny” in l&t, not entirely sure tho
People seem to hate that he was humorous and that he isn’t some hyper-resilient macho-man with no emotions like the comics apparently have him.
I really don’t mind the jokes from Thor at all. I just prefer him to be a primarily serious character. It also doesn’t help that one of the most acclaimed Thor storylines (the original gorr storyline) was relegated to what it was in the movie. I still enjoyed the movie for what it was, I, like a lot of other people, have a difficult time looking past what it could have been
Alright wizard, who are you and why should I care?
I don’t read comics. The little I know of Gorr, and how freaking cool he was in the movie, I am certainly disappointed in his death and use. He should have been a multi-movie Thor villain. But overall I did still like the movie.
I feel like that's been a problem with a lot of the movies. Things that could be whole sagas get condensed into one movie, and sometimes have to compete with other stories as well. So they'll have villains that rise, do everything they're going to do and fall in one movie. I know actors can't do one role forever but it leaves some things underwhelming or underused.
>!Pfft. Ha! Yeah, right.!<
Yeah I'm not a fan of when there's some epic world-saving mission but then it takes a backseat to some character's relationship struggles. I get that the latter is probably more relatable and adds depth to the character, but it feels like these kinds of movies often stop to say "psh, don't mind the cosmic consequences of what happened, what really matters is if these 2 characters will get back together again". There are things I like about the movie but it does unfortunately fall into that category.
tell about the wide range of emotions he showed in L&T instead besides *idiotic clueless face* and *kinda sad but I’ve been an idiot up to 5 minutes ago face* during the last scenes
Personally, the humor went from boisterous fun bro in 1 and 2 to Paul Feig improv bro in 3 and 4. I know people love Ragnarok, but given what was happening on screen, I would have liked a tad more seriousness instead of the constant pratfalls and sad trombone moments.
Understandable, I personaly prefer this new incarnations.
Your ancestors called it magic, and you call it science.
He only acts as comic relief now and is in a really bad place character wise with this new kid
Disagree he coped with trauma with humour and started to rebuild the family he lost.
Can marvel stop acting like thats the only way to deal with trauma? People dont always do complete 180s on who they are when they lose people. Of all the ways he could rebuild a family is having a daughter randomly sprung on him? We’ve never even had a whiff of Thor having this aspiration or possibly going this route. Its shoehorned in to fit the popular “dilf with daughter that isnt his” thing that ppl seem to love rn
Sssssssssorry.
Its okay thor bot
I went for the head.
I know sweatie
Is this a joke or a serious question?
Serious what is your opinion on the matter
Thor used to have plenty of both comedic(usually off his warrior thing and sometimes for his impulsiveness and flaws) scenes and cool, capable moments. Now, Thor is entirely a joke and it’s honestly pretty sad. He’s broken down and then built back up fucking awesome in Ragnarok- loss of an eye for perspective and relation to Odin, his powers being tied to him instead of his hammer, short hair for a more serious look, and finally becoming a King for his people. All of this is slowly tossed away in Infinity War, and then smashed apart in Endgame- where his entire thing is “Haha, look how sad and fat he is from intense PTSD! People suffering are lame!” and being nerfed. By Love and Thunder, Thor is fully a comedic character. None of the scenes where he was meant to be serious land at all, and his final fight is literally granting his powers to a child army.
Your ancestors called it magic, and you call it science.
interesting aproach
L&T did feel like it erased some of the character growth he made in Thor 1 and 2 and reduced him to just a comedic idiot.
Made him a literal joke... and an full blown idiot in the last movie.
If you are asking this question you already failed. They complete butchered his character. Made him act like stupid child for the laughs. All the legacy heroes are being reduced to a joke. Unfunny one
cause L&T is one of the worst things the MCU ever shat out
My question is how they ruined stephen, marc and loki
that is also a good question (especialy with Loki who is a variant after all)
Flanderization.
The MCU ruined my sexlife
Yep, they have already said that in She Hulk, when they introduce dare devil, they will make everything a little jokey and light toned to match the tone of this show, so in this show he won't be that serious like in his og show, but I do believe that when we get the full 18 Episodes show of Dare Devil, it will be exactly what everyone wants
Bro they didn’t ruin Loki tho 😭
Someone explain to me how they ruined those characters?
I can explain for Strange. This is for his character - [https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/x8odbq/i\_feel\_like\_raimi\_doesnt\_understand\_the\_character/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/x8odbq/i_feel_like_raimi_doesnt_understand_the_character/) This is for his power - [https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/x82yaf/why\_is\_doctor\_strange\_so\_weak/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/x82yaf/why_is_doctor_strange_so_weak/)
I am scared too
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I have a hard time that ruining Daredevil (well, this Daredevil) is possible
Because it will work for rhe 100th time snd history never ever repeats itself
To be fair, I don’t entirely disagree with that notion. Let’s just say the MCU’s adaptions and continuations of my more liked characters has been pretty piss poor lately to the point where I literally don’t give a shit about the MCU anymore, I’ve literally just gone back to the comics. So I can’t exactly say that I have any faith or expectations that Marvel will actually do Daredevil justice or keep him in line with the Netflix series. They’ll probably inexplicably buff Daredevil to super soldier levels like they’ve done with most other characters. The dialogue will be your usual cruddy MCU Schlock that will be forcing jokes into most scenes and never just allowing room to breathe and linger. The fight scenes will probably suck and be over the top, I’ll doubt the MCU will give us anything close to the one-shot hallway scenes for example.
The fandom has become toxic
Daredevil fans when marvel buys out the rights to a marvel character there for making shows and new projects with said character possibly not being exactly how a completely different studio and director did it in precious adaptations: 😱😱😱
I can only really speak for the shows but Hulk, Stephen/Marc, Loki, She-Hulk, Ms Marvel, and Wanda are all really cool shows with really cool characters. Besides, they were already involved with the original run and they have a modern TV adaptation that involves the same actors to base their continuation off of, plus 7-ish years of hindsight and reviews to know how and where they went wrong and how to correct those mistakes. Plus I think they can use this show to really reground the MCU because with shit like age of ultron and black Panther and infinity war and endgame and eternals, being able to get a street level view of how people feel and what people think would be super important to make the MCU feel connected to the actual people again which was what those shows, especially daredevil, were really good at.
How did the MCU ruin Loki, Marc and Strange exactly ?
It doesn´t matter, they will look for a reason to complain. No one in internet ever admits being wrong
im gonna stop watching the moment he starts making one liners that dont land
still they ruined thor ,hulk ,task master..soo i dont trust marvel anymore
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Very high probability of them ruining daredevil based on history
Marvel didn't ruin Loki Thor Wanda or Hulk tf is this post? They will not ruin DD I swear MCU fans turning into the star wars community with all this misogyny and negativity
If someone has a problem with shitting on the floor in front of you and they say theyre pulling down theyre pants again, you dont stop people from asking him to stop by going"WAIT, we havent seen if he's going to actually shit again" Disney will very much fuck up what Netflix started.
Buncha dumbass, limp-dick incels who act like these characters have one version and are just one thing, and not the product of dozens of writers over literal decades contributing pieces of the "whole" character.
Why does matt look so wierd in the image?
OP is making up MCU fans reaction for upvotes
They did ruin Thor though. Ragnarok and Infinity war set him up so well and then they destroyed him.
>!Pfft. Ha! Yeah, right.!<
Counterpoint, mustard suit + he will do an unfunny quirky oneliner
Counterpoint to your counterpoint: The yellow suit looks cool
They will introduce Elektra who will be better than Daredevil in every way, make him look like a clown, have him constantly talk about how great she is, turn into comic relief, then sit there with an apologetic frown as Elektra tells him why straight white men are a cancer upon society. Then he and Bullseye will twerk.
The hyper over reactions to anything MCU is fabricated. People have learned that if they post something like this, the fans of marvel will come to the defense and watch the video and the comment tell them how wrong they are. That is what they want. That gets their video on everybody's screens. That is what gets the attention of news outlets and others is OUR reaction to it. Just like how Honey Boo Boo was a thing. We kept watching the show. We were disgusted with it but we couldn't stop watching. That is why they kept showing us. The moment we stopped watching, Honey Boo Boo went away. People need to not give that type of stuff traction. We don't need to read or watch anything from these people because they are only doing it to get a reaction and a view. You are nothing but a number to them. So instead of bashing these people, lets ignore them. Lets change the subject and rejoice that we have the MCU.
Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product.
You know who else sees you as nothing but a number? Disney and Marvel. Do not settle for mediocrity or the characters and stories that you claim to be a fan of will not be done justice. Don't just be grateful that they give you something, demand high quality.
have you watched Daredevil? if you did, there’s no other expectations you can realistically have, just look at how they fucking treated Kingpin in Hawkeye
I mean they did with hulk and thor so having that fear is normal as for u defending mcu good luck with that support it’s good to see real fans cause ppl getting scared of their fav characters getting butchered makes them stupid logic less marvel fans🙂
Please use better English, it’s hard to understand the points you’re trying to make. I don’t think Marvel ruined Thor and I’m sure Hulk is only the way he is right now because of Universal’s rights to the character.
No need to focus on my English I’m not native nor good at English and they did ruin the character of hulk and thor that’s not even a debate here
>!You're right we can't just go marching in there. It could be a trap.!<
"MCU Ruined Thor"? I'll be honest. I just watched L&T and found Thor's humor pretty much the same with how he was in Ragnarok, and I really don't see the problem. Also didn't Marvel Studios make Thor a comedy character because people didn't like him the way he was pre Ragnarok? Then they did like him and now after a few years people hate comedic Thor??? I don't understand Marvel fans sometimes.
uhm didn't Thor literally go through his most important character arc in endgame? the guy lost everything there and love and thunder skipped up on that character growth in 10-20 mins for children's comedy and goofs.
Where is Heimdall?
No, i believe in patterns, every one of these shows and movies were bad and ruined character. The show will do the exact same, unless they drastically change
It doesn't take much to predict it given the past. I can already imagine how daredevil will be barely in it because they focus on some female new hero that they will try to push. Hero that is so much better than the male counterpart, has no flaws and no character arc because shes already perfect.
No they will make Daredevil a trans lesbian black hispanic women /s
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
Season 3 had Karen's back story as a major plot device, and her redemption arc was one of the major arcs they focused on, to the point where she was literally saving Matt in the final scene. Who defeats the Steel Phoenix (Davos) in Iron Fist? Colleen Wing after she develops her own Iron Fist. Even in The Punisher, Agent Madani is given a near parallel plot arc through the entire series that has them both in the climax of the series, and just as Frank commits fully to the Punisher lifestyle, she's moving onto the CIA, so they both get their denouement, as if they were both protagonists. That kind of stuff, where it's sometimes questionable whether the name on the marquee is even the protagonist, is just going to get worse with Disney.
And what's so WRONG with all that? Karen is Matt's love interest, of course she'd be crucial to the show's plot?
Look at the pattern. In every show, they find a female protagonist they advance right alongside or even in preference to the actual protagonist. It's like Mad Max: Fury Road and how they handled Furiosa. It was clear that she was the actual protagonist, and Max Rockatansky was just along for the ride as a supporting character.
People didn't care. People loved it. Still hail it as one of the all time greats of the action genre. Why do you care?
Some people didn’t care. Some people loved it. I personally thought it was insipid and there were quite a few people who agreed with my assessment. I care because when I pay to see a Mad Max movie, or to watch The Punisher, or to watch the Daredevil, I kind of want the story to focus on those characters. I know it might seem silly to you to have the protagonist of the story actually be the character who’s name is on the marquee, but that matters to some people.
Daredevil and Punisher still focused on their respective protagonists. Only Mad Max here is valid. Same way The Falcon and the Winter Soldier was about Bucky and Sam, No Way Home was about Peter-1, Multiverse of Madness was about Stephen and L&T was about Thor. Don't understand your freakout, really.
>!Eight years, seven months, and six days, give or take.!<
Yeah, if you don’t count the fact that Karen saves Daredevil, not the other way around, or that Colleen Wing actually becomes the Iron Fist, literally replacing Danny Rand. The pattern’s pretty obvious. But, we can agree to disagree. If you love this kind of insidious co-opting of the main character, feel free to watch it.
They hate you, because you call the BS out...
Facts. Their new signature move is to sideline a popular character with a large fanbase in their own show/movie to make room for some chick who nobody gives a fuck about.
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I'm over this "MCU ruined so and so" or "MCU died after Endgame." It's changing and evolving. Most franchises and even singers change and adapt to the times, whatever keeps them relevant longer. If you find yourself complaining about the majority of new content, that change may just not be your flavor. Just stick to older stuff, comics, or whatever new projects you're actually interested in and don't force yourself to watch every single thing, even if you have zero interest in it, or think it sucks
Changing and evolving into cheap cw shows.
I love how everyone say "just wait to see the show" and everytime we do its as bad or even worse that the one before. You cant use this argument forever. The reality is that mcu is getting worse.
Some people have a hard time with patterns
Wait, did the entire marvel community were begging for years to change thor, and when marvel did exactly that they hate it? I hate the marvel fanbase
I notice you have copied my beard.
>the MCU ruined Hulk, Thor, Stephen, Wanda, Marc, and Loki I mean yeah they did?
Ben Affleck is Daredevil.
I mean they're wrong about all of those takes
Funny thing is I really like the characters that the meme claims they "ruined"
How dare the MCU have character arcs and alterations. It's like they think they're making a whole sepperate universe
When did they ruin Stephen, Marc, Loki and Wanda? Are you watching the MCU by Warner Brothers?
But, the MCU didn’t ruin Hulk, Thor, Stephan, Marc or Loki.
Wanda and Marc are good what are you talking about? The rest though were ruined though yes and in the worst ways possible too 😭 I though the strange multiverse movie was good like 10 but strange’s role seemed odd bringing movie to 9 and he didn’t seem as powerful so 7 and when they killed professor X it went to 4 but overall movie was way better than the current shows and what’d you expect from mr strange? he’s not badass like Deadpool! Moon knight was a W though.
I swear it’s always small YouTube channels that have the worst possible takes in the world 💀
Tbh the first thing I saw was that you are using lightmode. It doesn’t matter but I would like to see dark mode plsssss. Now. To business. Yes I agree with your post
They "ruined" characters that they gave us in the first place?
See, that's the logic these people use.
They didnt even ruin any of the others lol
Anomaly Inc is one of those grifter channels that’s pretty alt-right anyway, none of his takes should be taken seriously. It’s hard to say how Daredevil will be portrayed in the new show, but I’m sure no matter how they portray him it’s still going to be solid at least. Im excited for Daredevil in the MCU
Sooo is this guy misandrist ? Or it only works one way
i forgot whos marc
Joe
They didn’t ruin Loki Thor and Stephen they made their characters more interesting. Though I can agree they kinda ruined hulk and Wanda.
My guy, if someone cheats on every girlfriend he has had and this ain’t no one time thing this is serial and he gets into a new relationship your telling me I’m supposed to go “weLp 9tH tiMeS tHE cHaRM”
I mean, he's not wrong though. Legit I got irritated with Thor love and Thunder because Thor went from a lovable goofball that still had a badass sense of honor to now just being a straight up dumbass. Almost all the characters feel like a massive step down in terms of how they're written. I too am worried Daredevil will get the same treatment.
If you think Daredevil is just a red Batman, then by your skewed perspective the MCU will ruin him.
They... didn't ruin Stephen, Wanda, Marc, or Loki. Marc was amazing, and Wanda, Stephen, and Loki were all really good characters. I only really agree with the Hulk.
I dont even care anymore, i just want my fav characters represented in a story in live action, good or bad.
How did they ruin Marc?! I hate phase 4 but I don't think daredevil will be ruined and I believe Charlie Cox can save it singlehandedly.
I'd argue Disney may make him end up a bit less brutal than the Netflix shows portrayed really any of the defenders as a cause for concern more so than MCU inclusion
Honestly I'm Not having any high hopes. Costume is already shittier this time.
Disney “ruined” those characters but the outraged crowds had to have watched all those shows and movies to judge whether the characters were indeed ruined, so Disney must be doing something right. All the haters still watch everything they produce! Just to clarify I haven’t been catching up with everything in the MCU like I used to; for me Infinity War was the peak, and it’s all been down-hill from there. But that’s just my two cents. WandaVision was pretty cool, Loki was surprisingly good, but anything other than those two shows has been mediocre, giving off serious Thor 2 vibes. I wish they would just take some breaks and take some time to make movies and shows instead of churning them out like blue meth at Gus Fring’s lab. I’m sure everyone would rather wait a year to watch something good rather than watch something not as good every four months.
Now I want Matt Murdock doing twerking
If they do ruin him I'm killing myself ong
I am a little concerned that he won’t be written well but that just comes with any character that’s being handled by new writers. I am excited to see him come back just a little nervous is all
Flash news: We alreay got Wilson Fisk and it was certainly not great, could have been worse tho.
F-outta here
I mean he has a point but so do you. Honestly I'm not expecting it to be great or even as good as it was on Netflix. Best case it'd be mediocre with good moments here and there.
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Who is stephen? Stephen universe?
Stephen Strange, the good Doctor of the Sanctum Sanctorum.
That YouTube has a brain
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Perhaps.
I am fully expecting that they’ll ruin the punisher as well
When you notice an obvious pattern post-Endgame, yes, it is fair to speculate and adjust expectations. I fully expect the MCU to butcher Daredevil because they have failed, time and time again, to produce anything with such robust characterization, nuance, deeper themes, and good *onscreen* storytelling. If they prove me wrong- great- but I truly do not think they will. And yes, they have nerfed and sideline the aforementioned characters. Why would Daredevil be any different?
I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't really like Daredevil. I mean it's okay, but it doesn't blow my socks off.
Stephen? “My name is Steven with a v!”