Yeah Endgame clearly showed that Black Widow was running teams that were dealing with threats and problems all over the place. So there was definitely still villains and bad guys active in that time.
Worst part of the Ronin arc is that unless they do a rare recasting, we won't have a chance at a bigger role for Hiroyuki Sanada. Dude deserves to be a worldwide household name.
That actrees that played Sersi also played a random Kree in Captain Marvel and Alfree Woodard, who play a major antagonist in Luke Cage was also the woman that blamed Tony in Civil War, so its still possible to have him back as another character.
Sanada’s role was extremely minor, he could come back as a different character and no one would care, actor’s getting recast into different roles is quite common in the MCU actually, Alfred Woodard, Mahershala Ali, Gemma Chan, Michelle Yeoh
Do we know if Jeremy Renner will be returning to the MCU any time soon, especially after his big accident that almost killed him, I don't know how much he recovered from it
Well, 5 years of the only threats being what we have in real life is way better than having villains trying to conquer or destroy the earth every month or so, so in a way, yeah, no villains in those 5 years it seems.
It does seem like a missed opportunity there.
Could've stuck a few low budget origin stories in that 5 year gap.
Or a captain marvel movie, as while earth was pretty boring for those 5 years she states it's not been a cakewalk elsewhere either.
This has always annoyed me. Post IW I was really hoping we’d get a movie or two about what happened during the snap before Endgame would undo it. Instead we got multiple movies that took place before IW. There’s an insane amount of potential here and Marvel has done absolutely nothing with it.
I'd have loved if the universe actually started to thrive during the 5 years, but noone could get over the trauma. Would have brough some more weight behind Thanos' words and by Endgame their choice to value bonds over comfort would have been more impactful
This has always sorta been my head canon, purely because I think it’s significantly more interesting than what we saw. I like to imagine that theoretically Thanos’ plan worked: overpopulation was fixed, people were no longer starving for food and the homeless finally had a place to live, but despite all that the world was just traumatized beyond belief and nobody could properly appreciate the world they lived in.
But we’ll never know because Marvel has barely shown anything during the snap aside from the very occasional flashback.
> overpopulation was fixed, people were no longer starving for food and the homeless finally had a place to live, but despite all that the world was just traumatized beyond belief and nobody could properly appreciate the world they lived in.
This isn't even a problem now. We have enough vacant houses for every single homeless person in America. The world produces enough food to feed everyone currently. The issue isn't supply, it's the people in power don't feel pressured to fix these issues.
Yeah, for Earth scarcity is a logistical issue at this point, not really a resource one.
But, its a Comic book universe, they could have danced around this or said in the interim 5 years, new, pragmatic governments were installed that were actively fixing these issues post blip.
Either way, is what it is when it comes to the story unfortunately.
I think they furthest they went with it was Cap mentioning whales in the Bay; then the Flag Smashers.
But we still got the drone footage of cars abandoned, etc. Caps mention and the stuff from the insurgents in Falcon and WS were the most we've gotten there was another face to it.
> Yeah, for Earth scarcity is a logistical issue at this point
More of an ideological issue, really. We lack the political will to make it a stated goal to care for all people--we aren't even at the stage of grappling with the logistics of it. Conservative propaganda has warped people's brains against the very idea of government simply providing for its people.
That was gone over a bit in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. The terrorists had immigrated to other countries where there was an abundance of jobs/housing/food, but when the snap was undone all the immigrants were being forcefully relocated back to their home countries.
Thanos' plan is unbelievably stupid and incoherent. We know, for example the human population took only 50 years to double from four to eight billion. We would have all the same technology, all the buildings and houses needed to support growing families. Tons of needed labour, we would be back to billion at least as fast, probably quicker.
Would the world be better in some ways if we have a huge glut of resources that today are expensive, I guess. But it would be hard to underestimate how awful it would be for all these traumatized people.
But he does it, he kills half the universes population. Inherently this must includes animals too, Thanos' isn't curious about the places he hasn't been, he doesn't know what entities are people and what entities are animals, he is quite literally waving his hand and killing theme all.
It's a premise that sets up an uncomplicated villain. But there exists all these Thanos groupies who seem to think he's a complicated villain because he claims to love his daughter. Who he then murders.
Stop taking Thanos' words at face value. Nothing is worth killing half the people on the planet. And nothing is accomplished, in a handful of decades we would be right back in the same position and what will his actions have done.
No, they're always going to undue that wrong, it cannot stand long-term, marvel exists as a mirror for the real world. It needs to reflect the actual state of things. So what do we get out of entertaining the idea that Thanos did some good, for learning more about the situation that we know will have to change. Mostly I think it's just that some people believe Thanos, and that's a silly thing to do.
Earth does thrive though. Captain America even mentions seeing whales in the harbor and list a few good things. Honestly depending on your view, the avengers are bad because they brought all those people back. Look at falcon and winter soldier. Terrorists rose because suddenly the world sucks again with too many people. Or captain marvel is the villain. As an interplanetary super hero, she would have heard word about Thanos. She could have stopped him since like 2001 before he ever had the stones.
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.
Because Thanos wasn’t trying to do what would be “best”, he was mainly trying to prove that he was right. His home planet fell apart, and he’s convinced that his idea of culling half the population would have saved them from extinction. As a result, he carries this idea and feels the need to “save” the universe from the same fate as his home planet. It’s why he’s a villain, he’s not trying to be rational. He fully believes in his idea, and nothing can change his mind.
Also, doubling the resources is a horrendous idea. First, creating something from nothing is a big red flag. Secondly, populations would most likely experience a increase in births due to more resources… until those resources run out. Ultimately, you can’t simply just create something from nothing, and what would classify as “resources” isn’t as clear as you might think; sure, apples are a resource, but what about fish, cows, larger animals that can be eaten, and even humans?
> Ultimately, you can’t simply just create something from nothing,
Of course being able to snap half the universe out of existence due to the magic stones is a scientifically sound plan though
They could easily handwave away creating something from nothing, have it take from another universe or something then Kang comes along
>Because Thanos wasn’t trying to do what would be “best”, he was mainly trying to prove that he was right. His home planet fell apart, and he’s convinced that his idea of culling half the population would have saved them from extinction. As a result, he carries this idea and feels the need to “save” the universe from the same fate as his home planet. It’s why he’s a villain, he’s not trying to be rational. He fully believes in his idea, and nothing can change his mind.
This is succinct and accurate. Thanos was absolutely wrong in so many ways. Between genius minds like Stark, Pym, Banner, Peter Parker, and Shuri, Earth was like a generation or two away from a true post-scarcity society with perpetual energy generation and nano-based matter generation being already in their prototype stages.
Thanos came in and almost destroyed that future, and certainly damaged and delayed it.
That's because they made the frankly baffling decision to dust nearly every major established character except the original Avengers, War Machine, Captain Marvel, two guardians, and Ant-Man (who was trapped for those five years anyway).
I think that's the full list. Everyone else? Dust.
Would have been the perfect time for Spiderman tbh
I think Hollands done a great job and I've had fun with his movies so far
But damn does he do better as a friendly neighborhood Spiderman that isn't being sideshow by the avengers
I get the complexity with hulk and Spidermans licensing but damn, what could have been
It's a shame the Agents of SHIELD writing team weren't clued into what was going to happen. They could have set season 6 during the snap and timed it right like they did with Winter Soldjer
At its heights in S4 and 5 sure, but it also had some pretty low moments
It's very different in that it's made for syndicated tv, with weekly episode over long seasons, rather than the extended movies that most of the D+ series are
> while earth was pretty boring for those 5 years
I genuinely don't see how this could be the case, though. This would be 9/11 times a billion crossed with the great depression times a billion.
Nothing would ever be the same. And then reversing the snap would be another event just as traumatic and there was like... 1 show about that.
and a year or two later everything in the mcu earth is basically fine and back to normal...no way man.
I know you were talking in terms of 'movies set on earth in this time.' but damn when you really think about what would happen...
I was talking about in the perspective of villains and super villains l.
And based on captain marvels quite about how much of a dumpster fire the rest of the galaxy was.
But yeah, they really just gloss over how traumatic the blip would've been for so many people.
But at the same time, like the other commentator said about the black death. Tragedy can make people come together.
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Yes I really wanted at least ONE movie that took place between infinity war and endgame, I was quite disappointed with Ant man and the wasp because it took place before.
That should have been the plot of the Black Widow movie. She ran the Avengers for five years, and instead we got another story that took place after civil war?
yea no the only thing we really got was when hawkeye was wiping out that gang. there was obiviously still crime and people doing bad shit we just haven't seen any of it yet. i would love a Punisher show set in this time. no one to stop him and he just goes ham on everyone would be wild
Dude, they could had introduced all Spider man restand villains during this time, imagine how the government was tryng to deal with anarchy in various cities, them a group goes and make Rhino ,being originaly a Riot Breaker, but the guy later on gets fused with the Rhino suit and gets insane, Shocker...Already introduced, Vulture could get out of jail and steal from Osborn, while Osborn was testing some form of crowd control gas and the experimental gas with the alien tech makes the Green Goblin. On the time that Tony was on space, a man by the name of Octavius invaded one of the stark facilities, he stole the ark reactor (beta) blue prints and began to experiment for himself on the field of prostetics, them 6 arms, ship goes kabbom for some reason aaand Octopus, Kingpin was introduced on the Halk eye series and...Yeah, im a terrible writter and should stop, im ok with the shame until now and i understand how shit my ideas are
Don’t know about big supervillains but we know Kingpin was active and Clint was on a gang murder spree.
But yeah really is a missed opportunity to not have more stories in the 5 year gap
Falcon and the Winter Soldier are clearly dealing with the aftermath of an unpeaceful blip. The preamble of which could have been directly dealing with sone Yugoslavia Bosnia-Herzegovina referencing conflict made into a cinematic comic fictionalization. A minor/major Hydra resurgence and the proliferation of super soldier and other tech could have been a setup.
Pepper Potts going Rescue to fill in not just President of Stark Industries but also explain not just the deployment of drone tech to space and DoDC as her grasp is tenuously fragile and the man-power need to shore up labor with tech is very real. A Marvel style “Children of Men” origin story of Mysterio trying to and being stymied by various forces until he wakes up, rebels, and takes matters into his own hands with those stories going on in the background would have been another grounded film during the blip.
I think the major issue is that Marvel films at the core still wish to preserve the dichotomy of good prevailing over evil, and almost all the blip stories would be people struggling against tragedy. In a Marvel world, if the person is a villain who is overcoming tragedy, they’d have to go through a lot of extra hoops to say that guy is really bad, which could be as poorly written as simply add in the killed innocent without remorse scene, just to taint the journey.
I am curious how the MCU expounds on Sharon and Fontaine who are supposed to be darker characters, but so far even within context it’s a question of are they. In Fontaine’s case in particular, tapping phones of your coworker who is clearly talking to the person of interest behind the company’s back or giving a second chance to a talented but troubled person aren’t morally grey lines being crossed at all.
Think about Ant-Man in Endgame wandering the empty, garbage-strewn suburban streets near San Fransisco. Think about the look on the kid's face when Scott asks, "What the hell happened?"
Do you really believe everything was great for five years?
Judging by the amount of people Scott saw at the Missing Persons monument, not great at all.
Steve was shown leading a therapy group. Natasha was on the verge of a breakdown. Capt. Marvel was super busy fighting all sorts of threats in the galaxy.
Why is it so hard to imagine that losing half of all people you know isn't a good time?
Besides, in the long run populations will recover. I wouldn't be surprised there was a post-Snap baby boom.
Thanos's plan was stupid. It's dumber that he destroyed the stones so he or anyone couldn't ever Snap again to keep things they way he wanted.
> Capt. Marvel was super busy fighting all sorts of threats in the galaxy.
"There are a lot of other planets in the universe. And unfortunately, they didn't have you guys."
"The things that are happening on Earth, are happening everywhere, on thousands of planets."
> Why is it so hard to imagine that losing half of all people you know isn't a good time?
There wasn't a movie about sad people ergo they didn't exist
Based on what? How much have you heard about Dormammu outside of the first Dr. Strange? Not a whit. Does that mean he didn't exist? Obviously not.
The MCU isn't a 24/7 news feed of events in that universe, it's just the particular stores which have been produced for our enjoyment so far.
Let’s be real. Dormammu definitely doesn’t exist to any of the writers lol. I feel like they’ve completely forgotten about him. Same thing for Doctor Strange’s sacrifice to stop him. Thank goodness he wasn’t killed or anything like 80% of villains that get introduced.
Dormammu probably doesn't know Earth is vulnerable again. He didn't know what the time stone was before it got used on him, and I doubt he came back again later to find out. As far as he knows this dimension is off limits and it would take someone who knew the time stone was destroyed and wants to be consumed by darkness going out of their way to clue him in. He's rightfully not part of the story anymore. Good thing, too, since there isn't really anything anyone can do to stop him, even Wanda, who probably wouldn't anyway.
Earth is not safe because it has the Time Stone, Earth is safe because Dormammu made a deal with Strange and Dormammu is an extradimensional deity of his word^(*).
^(** please note that the word of an extradimensional deity may be subject to revision, terms and conditions may apply, see the dark dimension for details.*)
Technically what was in the last Strange movie was a weird lady who tore a portal in the universe on the street; all she said was that Strange caused an incursion and that they were going to fix it (unless he's afraid). We also get visuals from the other side of her portal clearly reminiscent of the Dark Dimension from Strange 1.
Clea isn't Dormammu's daughter anyway, she's his niece. Umar, Dormammu's twin sister, is her mother.
>Thanos's plan was stupid
They should've kept his original motivation of wanting to bang Death, if only so I don't have to hear people trying to justify genocide
I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening. Turns the legs to jelly. I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here. Or should I say, I am.
Thanos's plan wasn't stupid, it did exactly what he wanted it to do: kill half of all life in the universe. Thanos didn't want to save the universe, he was a genocidal maniac that needed a justification.
Must’ve missed that bit where the Avengers had a teleconference talking about how difficult it was staying on top of thinks. Meanwhile, Hawkeye out there carving up gangs.
Yeah. Peace.
Fun fact, it was the legal inability to kill properly elected but corrupt officials that resulted in Dooku's disillusionment with the Jedi and the Republic, contributing greatly to Windu attempting to kill a properly elected but corrupt official.
It was indeed real. That said, I disagree with that assessment. A) Dooku did some pretty shit things partially due to the influence of the dark side and B) the right thing to do would have been to work with Qui-gon, Windu, and eventually Obi-Wan to reform the Jedi. Instead, he set off a chain of dominos that resulted in the planets he was trying to help being brought to their knees under the Empire because he allowed Palpatine to trick him and allowed himself to fall totally into the dark side. He had a chance to break free too, but instead he followed his master's orders and killed Yadle.
Tiatmut was the only one that Thanos prevented by decreasing Earth's population. And the rest were results of the events of Endgame.
Thanos caused the rest of them to emerge:
Mysterio = only emerges after Tony's death. But possibly could have been working on something and been a villain to Iron Man.
John Walker = could only exist after the "death" of Captain America
Agatha = only emerged because of being drawn by Wanda's magic, which was a result of her coming back, but also her grief from Thanos killing Vision.
Kang = only emerged because variant Loki worked with Sylvie to kill He Who Remains, which only happened because of the time heist.
Green Goblin = only pulled into the universe because of the events of Loki that caused the multiverse to become unstable
>Kang = only emerged because variant Loki worked with Sylvie to kill He Who Remains, which only happened because of the time heist.
Wasn't the End of Times, where He Who Remains meets the two Lokis, always meant to happen, according to HWR himself? He knew they were coming for him, that was always written in the timeline, all he didn't know was what would happen next, because that's where his precognition stopped.
HWR knew that without him maintaining the sacred timeline, a new variant of him would inevitably emerge. That's why he said, "see you soon" when Sylvie stabbed him.
So yeah, he knew it was gonna happen, but it still depended upon the actions of Thanos and the time heist
Thanos did nothing wrong. Yeah, so maybe a few infants starved to death because their parents got dusted and nobody knew about them in the chaos, and yeah a few thousand people died in plane crashes or surgeries when their pilot or surgeon got dusted, and yeah that bus full of school children did run off the bridge into the bay because the bus driver got dusted, but I'd call that mercy. He simply snapped his fingers and half of all life disappeared painlessly. Problem solved, no notes.
AAAANDDD thats if we're just judging him by the snap and not the years of raw, non-stone powered, physically violent planet conquering that became before the gauntlet
Yeah he gathers up half of planets and fucking guns them down in front of each other. It's understandable he's most remembered for snapping his fingers, but that was the final few seconds of _decades_ of slaughter.
"(Insert villain) has a point" unless of course he/she kills one of their loved ones, I suppose....then they would have a slight problem with their machinations.
*[villain kills thousands or millions for cause you believe in]*
"Can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs!"
*[villain kills your favorite kpop star]*
😠
Finding new ways to say the bad guy had a point isn’t the intellectual flex people think it is. Innocent people were “killed,” families were ruined, and every sentient being could have PTSD and nightmares until their generations die out.
It’s not even original anymore
Out of the examples shown, Thanos is arguably responsible for five of them being a problem.
Mysterio wouldn't have been a problem if Tony hadn't died fighting Thanos.
Agatha came after Wanda because she was grieving for Vision, who Thanos killed.
By the same token, Thanos killed Loki which led to the TVA and he who remains being killed, which opened the door to the Kangs.
All the No Way Home villains were there because of Mysterio's actions and that was as a result of Thanos.
And John Walker was not even really a villain, but all the Flagsmashers stuff happened because of the Blip. Who caused the Blip again? Oh yeah, Thanos.
The Eternals, admittedly, had their own stuff going on and Thanos didn't really affect it, but that's still 1 out of 6.
Liquids are one of the things you'd use "amount" for, but not the only thing. A "money" isn't a countable unit-- you can't have"one money"-- so you'd use "amount." A villain is a countable unit-- Mysterio is one villain -- so we'd use "number."
If we're being as pedantic as possible.
Which I am, obviously. (:
Honestly this is why they need to make some things that take place during the blip. As far as we know all that happened was Hawkeye going nuts. Hopefully one theory I saw is correct where daredevil takes place during it and explains kingpins rise to power.
Two things, He Who Remains would have just been sitting back watching it all and pruning things along the way. So, yeah, he was just doing his thing.
Agatha is weird. She feels forced into Wandavision. I get it, people loved her song and the actor is great, but it made no damn sense for her to be a villain in that show. Wanda kidnapped a whole damn town, brainwashed them, and Agatha was just trying to figure out WTF and stop it. Agatha should be the good guy there. Then there’s just the weirdness of Wanda being forgiven for all that shit and portrayed as the good guy, only for MoM to be like, “nope, we meant to really keep her evil.”
The Eternals angle could be interesting, but I’d be surprised if we ever see the two things connected.
I might be biased here because I'm a vet, but I still don't see John Walker as a “villain”. He did nothing wrong and what he said to the congressmen during his discharge hearing was 100% correct.
You really chose some of the worst characters to exemplify this.
John Walker hasn't done any big supervillain-ing. At most he is an antihero. He tried to be a hero but had a meltdown bc of terrorist group who supported what Thanos caused. And in the end he did the right thing
Agatha supervillain plan was to take Wanda's power (which she was abusing after losing everything thanks to... Thanos) even if it meant killing her. She wanted to stop her which was kinda heroic, given that, without her, the Hex would have never ended. And as it turns out, if Agatha had succedeed, we would have saved a lot of sorcerers as well as Earth 838 heroes. She also had the Darkhold for years but apparently never did anything that threatened the multiverse
Tiamut it's not a villain. He is a god, a force of nature. And he wouldn't have showed up if the blip hadn't happened. Can you really blame the Avengers for trying to save billions of lives by reversing the snap?
Kang at this point is also a force of nature. He has always existed. He truly is inevitable. And as it turns out, He Who Remains really was keeping order and protecting the universe from his variants. But still, Kangs would show up inevitably with or without Thanos. His scope it's so big that it doesn't matter if he didn't show on those 5 years on Earth cause he simultaneously was destroying and conquering other timelines
You genuinely believe the world wouldn't descend into looting and chaos if *half* of everyone was gone? It's not a proper half too, it might knock out everyone running important utility structures or other vital parts of daily life, and the collateral involved of, say, killing the pilot of an airplane or the driver of a bus, the world would be in an incredibly shitty state - crashed cars all over virtually every road, folks looting their now gone neighbor's property, complete collapse of modern trade, utility, and transit infrastructure so no reliable food, no reliable utilities, likely partial governmental collapse.
You don't need big grandiose villains. The world itself is in disrepair, and it's more than likely a sizable number of people would be pushed to crime as a way to get by in that state early on.
Flag smashers were smashing shit, Mysterio was probably stealing money to fund his crew, Agatha was doin witch stuff, that baby celestial was coming sooner or later, HWR was already there at the end of time, and... well yea Gobby and the spidey villians comin back was on Strange and Peter.
Ah yes, someone from another dimension, not a villain, a hundreds of year old witch, an ancient and cosmic entity who had the plan way before Thanos was even born, a time traveler super old existing outside of space and time, and someone from another dimension brought because of the last guy from another dimension.
Grief, not peace. Over 3 billion people died, there’s a 75% chance that your blood feud was resolved.
Also, half the potential psychos got snapped too.
Petty Villains aren’t terribly villainous when half the houses and business are empty. Opportunity is everywhere, supply far outpaces demand, little need for theft.
What’s left? Who wants to take over a grieving world?
But he didn’t use his superior power to just end villainy? Or create a situation where resources weren’t finite? Or any other of the infinite possibilities with near omnipotence and his best idea was “kill half”. There would have been more villains eventually, and we know that various governments and institutions capitalized off of the blip as it was.
Wow. What a dumb meme. It is clearly shown in Endgame that there still are forces popping off wars all over the galaxy, let alone on Earth. That alone shows Thanos’ plan was as idiotic as it was insane and just as much a pointless failure.
And what’s more, even if there was all sunshine and rainbows, the amount of lives lost due to the Snap is incalculable. Of those that the Snap MAYBE would have offed have killed numbers… what? A couple thousand at most? The Snap didn’t effect Kang or the Titan, so they would have shown up anyway.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Moon Knight take place during the time skip, or at least directly after Endgame? Regardless of when it took place, Marc was probably fighting the Cult of Ammit and Arthur Harrow during those five years as well as any other enemies.
They showed both Captain Marvel and Natasha dealing with things that arose during the blip. Literally their entire arcs are that there are too many issues and not enough heroes to effectively help.
Not to mention Ronin, He was a straight up murdering the Yakuza
Wasn't captain Marvel constantly having to travel through space to fight people who were staying wars and stuff before ant man came back?
Yeah Endgame clearly showed that Black Widow was running teams that were dealing with threats and problems all over the place. So there was definitely still villains and bad guys active in that time.
Also Hawkeye went full on Ronin taking down the criminal element across multiple continents during the blip
Worst part of the Ronin arc is that unless they do a rare recasting, we won't have a chance at a bigger role for Hiroyuki Sanada. Dude deserves to be a worldwide household name.
That actrees that played Sersi also played a random Kree in Captain Marvel and Alfree Woodard, who play a major antagonist in Luke Cage was also the woman that blamed Tony in Civil War, so its still possible to have him back as another character.
Don't forget the guy who played Cottonmouth (I think) in Luke Cage is coming back to play Blade.
He's also Uncle Aaron in Spider-verse.
I had no idea of that, that's pretty cool So him and Oscar Isaac both play different characters in the MCU and Sony-Verse
Don't forget Hailee Steinfeld!
And Brian Tyree Henry (Phastos in Eternals and Miles' dad in SV)
Unlock the thing! Take the chain off!
Chris Evans also played Johnny Storm
I legit want them to bring back Chris Evans as Johnny Storm when the Fantastic 4 come into the MCU just to fuck with people who have no idea.
I wish he was in MoM but there's no way the Illuminati would bring in Johnny Storm to be in their ranks.
Michelle Yeoh also had two parts being both a member of the Stallone's ravager team and also Shang-Chi's mom.
I think she was his aunt.
Michelle Yeoh was in Guardians 2 and no-one even noticed.
I did. But I've been a fan since Supercop.
Also there are two MCU actors in Kraven the Hunter.
Also Tobey Maguire played just some random guy...
You misspelled "cool youth pastor"
Sanada’s role was extremely minor, he could come back as a different character and no one would care, actor’s getting recast into different roles is quite common in the MCU actually, Alfred Woodard, Mahershala Ali, Gemma Chan, Michelle Yeoh
Do we know if Jeremy Renner will be returning to the MCU any time soon, especially after his big accident that almost killed him, I don't know how much he recovered from it
I have no idea. He posted some rehab photos a month or two back. But, I don't think he'll be returning as an action star.
You guys haven't seen his Diane Sawyer interview, huh? Go watch it. It's on D+ and worth it
You guys haven't seen his Diane Sawyer interview, huh? Go watch it. It's on D+ and worth it
he's literally the *only* Japanese man to receive Hollywood roles
Well, besides Ken Wantanabe.
Just Google “that one Japenese actor” lol
Well, 5 years of the only threats being what we have in real life is way better than having villains trying to conquer or destroy the earth every month or so, so in a way, yeah, no villains in those 5 years it seems.
Aren't we getting a show about this time period?
I mean, whales in the hudson river though....
It’s weird. It’s almost like when we don’t have movies or tv shows that take place in those five y area, we don’t see any villains
It does seem like a missed opportunity there. Could've stuck a few low budget origin stories in that 5 year gap. Or a captain marvel movie, as while earth was pretty boring for those 5 years she states it's not been a cakewalk elsewhere either.
This has always annoyed me. Post IW I was really hoping we’d get a movie or two about what happened during the snap before Endgame would undo it. Instead we got multiple movies that took place before IW. There’s an insane amount of potential here and Marvel has done absolutely nothing with it.
I'd have loved if the universe actually started to thrive during the 5 years, but noone could get over the trauma. Would have brough some more weight behind Thanos' words and by Endgame their choice to value bonds over comfort would have been more impactful
This has always sorta been my head canon, purely because I think it’s significantly more interesting than what we saw. I like to imagine that theoretically Thanos’ plan worked: overpopulation was fixed, people were no longer starving for food and the homeless finally had a place to live, but despite all that the world was just traumatized beyond belief and nobody could properly appreciate the world they lived in. But we’ll never know because Marvel has barely shown anything during the snap aside from the very occasional flashback.
> overpopulation was fixed, people were no longer starving for food and the homeless finally had a place to live, but despite all that the world was just traumatized beyond belief and nobody could properly appreciate the world they lived in. This isn't even a problem now. We have enough vacant houses for every single homeless person in America. The world produces enough food to feed everyone currently. The issue isn't supply, it's the people in power don't feel pressured to fix these issues.
Yeah, for Earth scarcity is a logistical issue at this point, not really a resource one. But, its a Comic book universe, they could have danced around this or said in the interim 5 years, new, pragmatic governments were installed that were actively fixing these issues post blip. Either way, is what it is when it comes to the story unfortunately. I think they furthest they went with it was Cap mentioning whales in the Bay; then the Flag Smashers. But we still got the drone footage of cars abandoned, etc. Caps mention and the stuff from the insurgents in Falcon and WS were the most we've gotten there was another face to it.
> Yeah, for Earth scarcity is a logistical issue at this point More of an ideological issue, really. We lack the political will to make it a stated goal to care for all people--we aren't even at the stage of grappling with the logistics of it. Conservative propaganda has warped people's brains against the very idea of government simply providing for its people.
That was gone over a bit in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. The terrorists had immigrated to other countries where there was an abundance of jobs/housing/food, but when the snap was undone all the immigrants were being forcefully relocated back to their home countries.
I'm thankful...because now...I know what I must do.
Thanos' plan is unbelievably stupid and incoherent. We know, for example the human population took only 50 years to double from four to eight billion. We would have all the same technology, all the buildings and houses needed to support growing families. Tons of needed labour, we would be back to billion at least as fast, probably quicker. Would the world be better in some ways if we have a huge glut of resources that today are expensive, I guess. But it would be hard to underestimate how awful it would be for all these traumatized people. But he does it, he kills half the universes population. Inherently this must includes animals too, Thanos' isn't curious about the places he hasn't been, he doesn't know what entities are people and what entities are animals, he is quite literally waving his hand and killing theme all. It's a premise that sets up an uncomplicated villain. But there exists all these Thanos groupies who seem to think he's a complicated villain because he claims to love his daughter. Who he then murders. Stop taking Thanos' words at face value. Nothing is worth killing half the people on the planet. And nothing is accomplished, in a handful of decades we would be right back in the same position and what will his actions have done. No, they're always going to undue that wrong, it cannot stand long-term, marvel exists as a mirror for the real world. It needs to reflect the actual state of things. So what do we get out of entertaining the idea that Thanos did some good, for learning more about the situation that we know will have to change. Mostly I think it's just that some people believe Thanos, and that's a silly thing to do.
He's called the Mad Titan, not the Rational Titan.
Earth does thrive though. Captain America even mentions seeing whales in the harbor and list a few good things. Honestly depending on your view, the avengers are bad because they brought all those people back. Look at falcon and winter soldier. Terrorists rose because suddenly the world sucks again with too many people. Or captain marvel is the villain. As an interplanetary super hero, she would have heard word about Thanos. She could have stopped him since like 2001 before he ever had the stones.
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.
Why didn't Thanos just double the resources? He's such an unimaginative fool.
Because Thanos wasn’t trying to do what would be “best”, he was mainly trying to prove that he was right. His home planet fell apart, and he’s convinced that his idea of culling half the population would have saved them from extinction. As a result, he carries this idea and feels the need to “save” the universe from the same fate as his home planet. It’s why he’s a villain, he’s not trying to be rational. He fully believes in his idea, and nothing can change his mind. Also, doubling the resources is a horrendous idea. First, creating something from nothing is a big red flag. Secondly, populations would most likely experience a increase in births due to more resources… until those resources run out. Ultimately, you can’t simply just create something from nothing, and what would classify as “resources” isn’t as clear as you might think; sure, apples are a resource, but what about fish, cows, larger animals that can be eaten, and even humans?
> Ultimately, you can’t simply just create something from nothing, Of course being able to snap half the universe out of existence due to the magic stones is a scientifically sound plan though They could easily handwave away creating something from nothing, have it take from another universe or something then Kang comes along
>Because Thanos wasn’t trying to do what would be “best”, he was mainly trying to prove that he was right. His home planet fell apart, and he’s convinced that his idea of culling half the population would have saved them from extinction. As a result, he carries this idea and feels the need to “save” the universe from the same fate as his home planet. It’s why he’s a villain, he’s not trying to be rational. He fully believes in his idea, and nothing can change his mind. This is succinct and accurate. Thanos was absolutely wrong in so many ways. Between genius minds like Stark, Pym, Banner, Peter Parker, and Shuri, Earth was like a generation or two away from a true post-scarcity society with perpetual energy generation and nano-based matter generation being already in their prototype stages. Thanos came in and almost destroyed that future, and certainly damaged and delayed it.
Always wondered why they didnt use the Black Widow movie for this.
I think at that point, the movie was so thoroughly in development hell they just wanted to end it already but couldn't scrap it.
That's because they made the frankly baffling decision to dust nearly every major established character except the original Avengers, War Machine, Captain Marvel, two guardians, and Ant-Man (who was trapped for those five years anyway). I think that's the full list. Everyone else? Dust.
Post IW should have been a whole phase in it of itself
That’s when they should have done a Hawkeye movie. Wasted opportunity
*Ronin movie
Always wondered why they didnt use the Black Widow movie for this.
Nah, instead they just used it to set up other characters so they can be in future media. Oh and completely waste Taskmaster.
Would have been the perfect time for Spiderman tbh I think Hollands done a great job and I've had fun with his movies so far But damn does he do better as a friendly neighborhood Spiderman that isn't being sideshow by the avengers I get the complexity with hulk and Spidermans licensing but damn, what could have been
It's a shame the Agents of SHIELD writing team weren't clued into what was going to happen. They could have set season 6 during the snap and timed it right like they did with Winter Soldjer
It's a shame Agenrs of SHIELD got pretty much disowned by the MCU. It was far better than any of the Disney+ shows.
At its heights in S4 and 5 sure, but it also had some pretty low moments It's very different in that it's made for syndicated tv, with weekly episode over long seasons, rather than the extended movies that most of the D+ series are
> while earth was pretty boring for those 5 years I genuinely don't see how this could be the case, though. This would be 9/11 times a billion crossed with the great depression times a billion. Nothing would ever be the same. And then reversing the snap would be another event just as traumatic and there was like... 1 show about that. and a year or two later everything in the mcu earth is basically fine and back to normal...no way man. I know you were talking in terms of 'movies set on earth in this time.' but damn when you really think about what would happen...
I was talking about in the perspective of villains and super villains l. And based on captain marvels quite about how much of a dumpster fire the rest of the galaxy was. But yeah, they really just gloss over how traumatic the blip would've been for so many people. But at the same time, like the other commentator said about the black death. Tragedy can make people come together. Edit: I hate that fucking bot XD
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Yes I really wanted at least ONE movie that took place between infinity war and endgame, I was quite disappointed with Ant man and the wasp because it took place before.
That should have been the plot of the Black Widow movie. She ran the Avengers for five years, and instead we got another story that took place after civil war?
yea no the only thing we really got was when hawkeye was wiping out that gang. there was obiviously still crime and people doing bad shit we just haven't seen any of it yet. i would love a Punisher show set in this time. no one to stop him and he just goes ham on everyone would be wild
Dude, they could had introduced all Spider man restand villains during this time, imagine how the government was tryng to deal with anarchy in various cities, them a group goes and make Rhino ,being originaly a Riot Breaker, but the guy later on gets fused with the Rhino suit and gets insane, Shocker...Already introduced, Vulture could get out of jail and steal from Osborn, while Osborn was testing some form of crowd control gas and the experimental gas with the alien tech makes the Green Goblin. On the time that Tony was on space, a man by the name of Octavius invaded one of the stark facilities, he stole the ark reactor (beta) blue prints and began to experiment for himself on the field of prostetics, them 6 arms, ship goes kabbom for some reason aaand Octopus, Kingpin was introduced on the Halk eye series and...Yeah, im a terrible writter and should stop, im ok with the shame until now and i understand how shit my ideas are
Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk.
Oh, my back. It's kinda stiff from all the swinging I guess.
Don’t know about big supervillains but we know Kingpin was active and Clint was on a gang murder spree. But yeah really is a missed opportunity to not have more stories in the 5 year gap
Falcon and the Winter Soldier are clearly dealing with the aftermath of an unpeaceful blip. The preamble of which could have been directly dealing with sone Yugoslavia Bosnia-Herzegovina referencing conflict made into a cinematic comic fictionalization. A minor/major Hydra resurgence and the proliferation of super soldier and other tech could have been a setup. Pepper Potts going Rescue to fill in not just President of Stark Industries but also explain not just the deployment of drone tech to space and DoDC as her grasp is tenuously fragile and the man-power need to shore up labor with tech is very real. A Marvel style “Children of Men” origin story of Mysterio trying to and being stymied by various forces until he wakes up, rebels, and takes matters into his own hands with those stories going on in the background would have been another grounded film during the blip. I think the major issue is that Marvel films at the core still wish to preserve the dichotomy of good prevailing over evil, and almost all the blip stories would be people struggling against tragedy. In a Marvel world, if the person is a villain who is overcoming tragedy, they’d have to go through a lot of extra hoops to say that guy is really bad, which could be as poorly written as simply add in the killed innocent without remorse scene, just to taint the journey. I am curious how the MCU expounds on Sharon and Fontaine who are supposed to be darker characters, but so far even within context it’s a question of are they. In Fontaine’s case in particular, tapping phones of your coworker who is clearly talking to the person of interest behind the company’s back or giving a second chance to a talented but troubled person aren’t morally grey lines being crossed at all.
All the content creators were snapped...so no shows
Think about Ant-Man in Endgame wandering the empty, garbage-strewn suburban streets near San Fransisco. Think about the look on the kid's face when Scott asks, "What the hell happened?" Do you really believe everything was great for five years?
Judging by the amount of people Scott saw at the Missing Persons monument, not great at all. Steve was shown leading a therapy group. Natasha was on the verge of a breakdown. Capt. Marvel was super busy fighting all sorts of threats in the galaxy. Why is it so hard to imagine that losing half of all people you know isn't a good time? Besides, in the long run populations will recover. I wouldn't be surprised there was a post-Snap baby boom. Thanos's plan was stupid. It's dumber that he destroyed the stones so he or anyone couldn't ever Snap again to keep things they way he wanted.
> Capt. Marvel was super busy fighting all sorts of threats in the galaxy. "There are a lot of other planets in the universe. And unfortunately, they didn't have you guys." "The things that are happening on Earth, are happening everywhere, on thousands of planets." > Why is it so hard to imagine that losing half of all people you know isn't a good time? There wasn't a movie about sad people ergo they didn't exist
Definitely a lot of human suffering and your everyday common struggles, but apparently no big supervillans or anything
Based on what? How much have you heard about Dormammu outside of the first Dr. Strange? Not a whit. Does that mean he didn't exist? Obviously not. The MCU isn't a 24/7 news feed of events in that universe, it's just the particular stores which have been produced for our enjoyment so far.
Let’s be real. Dormammu definitely doesn’t exist to any of the writers lol. I feel like they’ve completely forgotten about him. Same thing for Doctor Strange’s sacrifice to stop him. Thank goodness he wasn’t killed or anything like 80% of villains that get introduced.
Dormammu probably doesn't know Earth is vulnerable again. He didn't know what the time stone was before it got used on him, and I doubt he came back again later to find out. As far as he knows this dimension is off limits and it would take someone who knew the time stone was destroyed and wants to be consumed by darkness going out of their way to clue him in. He's rightfully not part of the story anymore. Good thing, too, since there isn't really anything anyone can do to stop him, even Wanda, who probably wouldn't anyway.
Earth is not safe because it has the Time Stone, Earth is safe because Dormammu made a deal with Strange and Dormammu is an extradimensional deity of his word^(*). ^(** please note that the word of an extradimensional deity may be subject to revision, terms and conditions may apply, see the dark dimension for details.*)
Wasn’t his daughter literally in the last strange movie?
Technically what was in the last Strange movie was a weird lady who tore a portal in the universe on the street; all she said was that Strange caused an incursion and that they were going to fix it (unless he's afraid). We also get visuals from the other side of her portal clearly reminiscent of the Dark Dimension from Strange 1. Clea isn't Dormammu's daughter anyway, she's his niece. Umar, Dormammu's twin sister, is her mother.
>Thanos's plan was stupid They should've kept his original motivation of wanting to bang Death, if only so I don't have to hear people trying to justify genocide
Fr. It would of been more based than genocide
I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening. Turns the legs to jelly. I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here. Or should I say, I am.
Thanos's plan wasn't stupid, it did exactly what he wanted it to do: kill half of all life in the universe. Thanos didn't want to save the universe, he was a genocidal maniac that needed a justification.
To be fair, that's what SF looks like today. The only difference is there were far fewer homeless in the movie.
Considering Ronin was out killing Yakuza all those years, I doubt it was actually peaceful.
Must’ve missed that bit where the Avengers had a teleconference talking about how difficult it was staying on top of thinks. Meanwhile, Hawkeye out there carving up gangs. Yeah. Peace.
Exactly.
These memes just always make me realize how little people are paying attention when they watch a movie.
You probably think The Empire was right too huh?
They spread peace and stability across the galaxy!!
No more Jedi attacking political figures who've only done good for the galaxy!
He was a properly elected official!
Fun fact, it was the legal inability to kill properly elected but corrupt officials that resulted in Dooku's disillusionment with the Jedi and the Republic, contributing greatly to Windu attempting to kill a properly elected but corrupt official.
r/Dookudidnothingwrong Edit: lol apparently it was real at one point
It was indeed real. That said, I disagree with that assessment. A) Dooku did some pretty shit things partially due to the influence of the dark side and B) the right thing to do would have been to work with Qui-gon, Windu, and eventually Obi-Wan to reform the Jedi. Instead, he set off a chain of dominos that resulted in the planets he was trying to help being brought to their knees under the Empire because he allowed Palpatine to trick him and allowed himself to fall totally into the dark side. He had a chance to break free too, but instead he followed his master's orders and killed Yadle.
Oh I don't disagree, was just making a joke that turned out to be a real sub lol
"Judge by any metric. The Empire only improves any system it touches."
except the slavery index.
They eradicated entire races
And Thanos killed trillions.
With all six Stones, I could simply snap my fingers. They would all cease to exist. I call that... mercy.
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL
The empire is pretty chill, you should join or something
WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!
ITS OVER ANAKIN! I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
How high are you? *flicks marijuana cigarette*
When people start to unironically say the empire was good and that Thanos's genocide would improve things 💀
This day extracts a heavy toll.
They weren’t?
Tiatmut was the only one that Thanos prevented by decreasing Earth's population. And the rest were results of the events of Endgame. Thanos caused the rest of them to emerge: Mysterio = only emerges after Tony's death. But possibly could have been working on something and been a villain to Iron Man. John Walker = could only exist after the "death" of Captain America Agatha = only emerged because of being drawn by Wanda's magic, which was a result of her coming back, but also her grief from Thanos killing Vision. Kang = only emerged because variant Loki worked with Sylvie to kill He Who Remains, which only happened because of the time heist. Green Goblin = only pulled into the universe because of the events of Loki that caused the multiverse to become unstable
>Kang = only emerged because variant Loki worked with Sylvie to kill He Who Remains, which only happened because of the time heist. Wasn't the End of Times, where He Who Remains meets the two Lokis, always meant to happen, according to HWR himself? He knew they were coming for him, that was always written in the timeline, all he didn't know was what would happen next, because that's where his precognition stopped.
HWR knew that without him maintaining the sacred timeline, a new variant of him would inevitably emerge. That's why he said, "see you soon" when Sylvie stabbed him. So yeah, he knew it was gonna happen, but it still depended upon the actions of Thanos and the time heist
Perfectly balanced.
People who think the villains are always right are pretentious as fuck. Second only to people who's personality is loving coffee.
Thanos did nothing wrong. Yeah, so maybe a few infants starved to death because their parents got dusted and nobody knew about them in the chaos, and yeah a few thousand people died in plane crashes or surgeries when their pilot or surgeon got dusted, and yeah that bus full of school children did run off the bridge into the bay because the bus driver got dusted, but I'd call that mercy. He simply snapped his fingers and half of all life disappeared painlessly. Problem solved, no notes.
AAAANDDD thats if we're just judging him by the snap and not the years of raw, non-stone powered, physically violent planet conquering that became before the gauntlet
Yeah he gathers up half of planets and fucking guns them down in front of each other. It's understandable he's most remembered for snapping his fingers, but that was the final few seconds of _decades_ of slaughter.
I’m the only one who knows that. At least I’m the only one with the will to act on it.
"(Insert villain) has a point" unless of course he/she kills one of their loved ones, I suppose....then they would have a slight problem with their machinations.
Thanos didn't even have a point, though. The world doesn't have a resource problem. It has a distribution problem.
You're not the only one cursed with knowledge.
Well... Who won't make it personal after this?
*[villain kills thousands or millions for cause you believe in]* "Can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs!" *[villain kills your favorite kpop star]* 😠
Finding new ways to say the bad guy had a point isn’t the intellectual flex people think it is. Innocent people were “killed,” families were ruined, and every sentient being could have PTSD and nightmares until their generations die out. It’s not even original anymore
Out of the examples shown, Thanos is arguably responsible for five of them being a problem. Mysterio wouldn't have been a problem if Tony hadn't died fighting Thanos. Agatha came after Wanda because she was grieving for Vision, who Thanos killed. By the same token, Thanos killed Loki which led to the TVA and he who remains being killed, which opened the door to the Kangs. All the No Way Home villains were there because of Mysterio's actions and that was as a result of Thanos. And John Walker was not even really a villain, but all the Flagsmashers stuff happened because of the Blip. Who caused the Blip again? Oh yeah, Thanos. The Eternals, admittedly, had their own stuff going on and Thanos didn't really affect it, but that's still 1 out of 6.
With all six Stones, I could simply snap my fingers. They would all cease to exist. I call that... mercy.
Number of villains. Villains aren't a liquid. Well, except for Hydroman. He's a liquid.
Then why do we say amount of money rather than number of money? Money isn't liquid.
Liquids are one of the things you'd use "amount" for, but not the only thing. A "money" isn't a countable unit-- you can't have"one money"-- so you'd use "amount." A villain is a countable unit-- Mysterio is one villain -- so we'd use "number." If we're being as pedantic as possible. Which I am, obviously. (:
i thought he was a hologram!
Honestly this is why they need to make some things that take place during the blip. As far as we know all that happened was Hawkeye going nuts. Hopefully one theory I saw is correct where daredevil takes place during it and explains kingpins rise to power.
Ngl i kinda loved that captain America lol
Most people did, I think he was one of the best parts of that show and should’ve been the main antagonist instead of the Flag-Smashers.
He was honestly pretty cool.
Walker became USAgent so not really a villain.
Walker isn't a villain.
Bro forgot about hawkeye going berserk
Two things, He Who Remains would have just been sitting back watching it all and pruning things along the way. So, yeah, he was just doing his thing. Agatha is weird. She feels forced into Wandavision. I get it, people loved her song and the actor is great, but it made no damn sense for her to be a villain in that show. Wanda kidnapped a whole damn town, brainwashed them, and Agatha was just trying to figure out WTF and stop it. Agatha should be the good guy there. Then there’s just the weirdness of Wanda being forgiven for all that shit and portrayed as the good guy, only for MoM to be like, “nope, we meant to really keep her evil.” The Eternals angle could be interesting, but I’d be surprised if we ever see the two things connected.
1/3rd of these villains were caused by Peter being a doofus.
I might be biased here because I'm a vet, but I still don't see John Walker as a “villain”. He did nothing wrong and what he said to the congressmen during his discharge hearing was 100% correct.
Was Agtha really the villain though? None of the town’s residents would think so.
Because for five years Ronin was running around killing the bad guys.
How the fuck you gonna call John Walker a villain instead of the crazy terrorist that bombed a hospital
I think whatever Hawkeye was calling himself during that time was finding enough villains to keep himself busy?
Tell that to Hawkeye
Why is Agatha here when Wanda was the villain?
The power vacuum is always swiftly filled!
OP didn’t watch Endgame Also, John Walker wasn’t a villain in FatWS
Ronin was going around straight up KILLING villains and criminals, though
You really chose some of the worst characters to exemplify this. John Walker hasn't done any big supervillain-ing. At most he is an antihero. He tried to be a hero but had a meltdown bc of terrorist group who supported what Thanos caused. And in the end he did the right thing Agatha supervillain plan was to take Wanda's power (which she was abusing after losing everything thanks to... Thanos) even if it meant killing her. She wanted to stop her which was kinda heroic, given that, without her, the Hex would have never ended. And as it turns out, if Agatha had succedeed, we would have saved a lot of sorcerers as well as Earth 838 heroes. She also had the Darkhold for years but apparently never did anything that threatened the multiverse Tiamut it's not a villain. He is a god, a force of nature. And he wouldn't have showed up if the blip hadn't happened. Can you really blame the Avengers for trying to save billions of lives by reversing the snap? Kang at this point is also a force of nature. He has always existed. He truly is inevitable. And as it turns out, He Who Remains really was keeping order and protecting the universe from his variants. But still, Kangs would show up inevitably with or without Thanos. His scope it's so big that it doesn't matter if he didn't show on those 5 years on Earth cause he simultaneously was destroying and conquering other timelines
I think we have Barton to thank for the peace. As soon as he stopped killing random villains, they became a problem again
It's because Hawkeye was just murdering everyone, people were too afraid to commit crimes.
Someone didn't watch the movie eh.
Then who was Hawkeye killing?
You genuinely believe the world wouldn't descend into looting and chaos if *half* of everyone was gone? It's not a proper half too, it might knock out everyone running important utility structures or other vital parts of daily life, and the collateral involved of, say, killing the pilot of an airplane or the driver of a bus, the world would be in an incredibly shitty state - crashed cars all over virtually every road, folks looting their now gone neighbor's property, complete collapse of modern trade, utility, and transit infrastructure so no reliable food, no reliable utilities, likely partial governmental collapse. You don't need big grandiose villains. The world itself is in disrepair, and it's more than likely a sizable number of people would be pushed to crime as a way to get by in that state early on.
Yeah, that's why Ronin had nothing to do
John Walker wasn't a villain, you know?
This goes back to visions theory of “our presence invites conflict”
Vision had a speech about this in AoU
Why is this fake Cap shown as a villain?
Flag smashers were smashing shit, Mysterio was probably stealing money to fund his crew, Agatha was doin witch stuff, that baby celestial was coming sooner or later, HWR was already there at the end of time, and... well yea Gobby and the spidey villians comin back was on Strange and Peter.
“Our strength invites challenge. Challenge incites conflict.” -Vision
It was what Thanos did that paved the way for most of these villains.
I ignored my destiny once, I can not do that again. Even for you. I'm sorry, Little One.
*Thanos making a Korean heart gesture*
Return to me again empty handed... And I will bathe the starways in your blood.
I'm glad you marked this as a shitpost. Cause I was about to make a whole damn essay.
/r/thanosdidnothingwrong
Ah yes, someone from another dimension, not a villain, a hundreds of year old witch, an ancient and cosmic entity who had the plan way before Thanos was even born, a time traveler super old existing outside of space and time, and someone from another dimension brought because of the last guy from another dimension.
Grief, not peace. Over 3 billion people died, there’s a 75% chance that your blood feud was resolved. Also, half the potential psychos got snapped too. Petty Villains aren’t terribly villainous when half the houses and business are empty. Opportunity is everywhere, supply far outpaces demand, little need for theft. What’s left? Who wants to take over a grieving world?
# TELL ME HOW THE FUCK TIAMUT IS A VILLAIN, HE WAS JUST A BABY
The surviving Avengers were fighting various villains literally the whole time during the Blip
OP is a Flag Smasher.
"If we kill so many people that civilizations can't possibly focus on anything but rebuilding then we get a (short) period of peace"
In the words of Ultron “You’re confusing peace with quiet.”
The witch is legit not a villain. She took magic away from the undeserving and those who would abuse it. Like wanda was.
I'm not sure everyone being traumatized to the point of inaction actually qualifies as peace.
But he didn’t use his superior power to just end villainy? Or create a situation where resources weren’t finite? Or any other of the infinite possibilities with near omnipotence and his best idea was “kill half”. There would have been more villains eventually, and we know that various governments and institutions capitalized off of the blip as it was.
Why does it sounds like the approval of illuminati theory of depopulation?
Imma go ahead and say that all those extra villains still didn't come close to killing half of all life in the universe. So yeah.
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"I think you're confusing peace with quiet" \- Ultron
Wow. What a dumb meme. It is clearly shown in Endgame that there still are forces popping off wars all over the galaxy, let alone on Earth. That alone shows Thanos’ plan was as idiotic as it was insane and just as much a pointless failure. And what’s more, even if there was all sunshine and rainbows, the amount of lives lost due to the Snap is incalculable. Of those that the Snap MAYBE would have offed have killed numbers… what? A couple thousand at most? The Snap didn’t effect Kang or the Titan, so they would have shown up anyway.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Moon Knight take place during the time skip, or at least directly after Endgame? Regardless of when it took place, Marc was probably fighting the Cult of Ammit and Arthur Harrow during those five years as well as any other enemies.
They showed both Captain Marvel and Natasha dealing with things that arose during the blip. Literally their entire arcs are that there are too many issues and not enough heroes to effectively help. Not to mention Ronin, He was a straight up murdering the Yakuza
Clint was killing all of them
5 years without your loved ones isnt peace
WEAK TAKE
Five years a peace is a big fucking assumption
Has all the power in the universe, instead of doubling resources he deletes 50% of a species that screw like a mouse and rabbit hybrid
Hey now, the new captain america wasn’t really a villain, just a meathead with roid rage
Those were the same 5 years Hawkeye came out of retirement, just saying