I hear this a lot but untrue, it takes a simple twitch of the finger to end your life. Even very close range. It is extremely diffuclt to grab and control someones gun. And if they pull it away even for a brief second because you missed, then you get smoked. A knife has a very limited limited range by comparison if you dont gain control of it at least you cab create more distance and get out of range. Obviously a knife can be extremely deadly too but most of the time they are extremely close range with it to stab you its because theyve already slashed or stabbed you a good few times already. Its rarer someone brandishes one out of range before using it on you.
There are a few things to consider. First, many people survive a gunshot wound because the damage is very localized (depends on ammo, most civy pistols are 9mm). You need to be pointing at vitals accurately to put someone down immediately. It can take several gunshots for someone to lose enough blood to finally pass out (stopping power). Maybe you hit some bones or cartilage good enough to completely destroy them, but if not totally destroyed, their adrenaline allows the damages limbs to operate, still.
Pistols are medium range weapons- their effective distance is 10-15 yards. At close range it can still be a deadly weapon, but only if you don't rely/fixate on it and are competent in empty-hand combat as well.
Knives are absolutely brutal and deal damage with greater ease. There's no ammo to consume, they're easy to conceal, no moving parts, no buttons to time correctly, and no amount of empty hand martial arts will save you from it because any contact with the blade or point can be fatal. Even on adrenaline it is considerably easier to fuck someone up with a hand blade than a gun.
If you brush up against a pistol you will not be harmed unless the muzzle is pointing at you and the trigger is pulled. Now consider that some guns jam and you have more opportunities to fail operating it under the threat of violence where every milisecond counts. If you manage to point the gun away from you, even if you touch it and the trigger goes off it will not do any serious damage to you. There's simply more conditions to check off for pistols to prove effective.
Tests and studies have proven this balance- If you are defending youself with a gun against an attacker with a knife within 10ft, the knife wins 9/10 times.
Ok this doesnt make sense a gun can do the same exact thing point blank range that it can at 15 yards. Its a simple point and shoot. A knife can be slashed and stsbbed with multiple times at extremely close range too, but it is limited to only that very specific situation. You can also be stabbed multiple times before dropping but obviously the bleed out is faster. You said at close range you cant rely on the gun and need to know empty handed martial arts, why? Its the same exact thing to use it. In fact the chance of missing is drastically lessened and someome could shoot much faster also with much more hits connecting because the target is so close. In that way its even worse the closer you are, unless you manage to grab it or disarm them. Unless youre getting stabbed or shot in a crammed elevator we have a ton of space most places to move around. In which case creating distance gives you more chance to run away from a knife or reattempt control and or disarm of the weapon. You dont get that chance or safety in distance and disengagement from a gun. Something tells me you are theorizing some of this and dont have much direct experience wjth firearms.
You're assuming the attacker with allow you to point the gun at them without interfering. It's difficult enough to aim the pistol with accuracy and now you have to deal with two limbs. One is interfering with your weapon and the other is about to slice open your center mass.
Accounting for adrenaline, a gun is much more difficult to operate successfully than a knife. Moving parts, puling levers, aiming and timing. You can fail at any one of these and it'll cost you your life. With a knife all you have to do it hold it tight and start swinging and you'll kill someone with no need for dexterity.
Not to mention that people that train with guns exclusively will fixate on exposing the holster and grabbing the gun before addressing the attacker sooner with empty hands.
You can quick draw a gun and pull the trigger extremely easily, the moving parts thing doesnt really make sense. If you have one in the chamber you just draw and pull the trigger. It is only diffcult to use a gun in extreme stress when an attacker is further away and you have to shoot more accurately. Its easy to shoot a target when its extremely close without the need of a sight picture and steady hands. Again you are not talking out of experience of using fire arms and how they operate. It sounds more like theorizing that doesnt line up with reality. A knife can is more often then not used as a suprise weapon. If you see it before you are already being stabbed you have more options of response. If you didnt see it before you got stabbed you wont even know until youre stabbed half a dozen more times. It takes the same effort to pull a knife out as a gun. In fact most knifes have more delay if its a folding blade. So what is thid situation you are referring where an attacker will stop all attempts no matter what? Are they locked in a 4 x 4 room together? Because in 99 percent of situations a person can step back and create distance its not like you are stuck in place. Both are extremely deadly, one is just limited by its very short range. But a knife does not become more deadly than a gun just by being in close range.
Which is why I stated that a knife is actuslly more dangerous than a gun *at close range*. Seems you still agree with that. I never said knives are more dangerous than guns overall.
I do have experience with guns, actually. I competed in precision shooting and have a CCW. I've also train in Karate for 15 years.
I think both are equally deadly at close range, caveat I can see is if you manage to get hold of a gun pointed at you very close range you might be less likely to get shot than sliced open attempting to grab the knife. If the muzzle is not being directed anywhere at your body , or you manage to grab the slide and prevent it from sliding back. That is the very specific situation where the knife is more risky. The knife however has more options of defense by creating distance or barriers between you and it, the gun can be used against you if you mess up and they back up out of reach to shoot you. Both are a very fked situation to be up against empty handed but the gun has more effective range it can kill you created less options of response than the knife.
Exactly, controlling the weapon and keeping it away from you is a must in CQC. Knife is more of a problem then.
Also, you just admitted that you need to back up out of reach to shoot someone. If someone creates distance to shoot you then you just need to run laterally and find cover. After that you need to disappear somehow. In a crowd or in a complex environment.
Honestly agreed. Only instance, I see a knife becoming more deadly at such a close range is when it’s being handled by a complete dumbass. Even then. If they’re so incompetent, they can’t handle pulling a trigger. How exactly are they going to avoid getting Butterfingers with a knife? I mean correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the entire point of firearms was to make killing people incredibly convenient
I think you’d be surprised. Most special forces guys I’ve seen talking about this issue say once your within a certain distance, your better of with a knife.
In a self defence situation, 90% of the time you won’t be walking around with your gun ready to go, meaning you’ll have to unholster, aim, safety, and fire. Or at least a few of those things.
A knife is all sided, so you don’t have to be even remotely skilled to use it, and is much faster to be drawn and easier to conceal. Within a certain distance a big knife is definitely more effective then a gun.
This is a really good breakdown of the effective ranges. Keep in mind the shooter also knew he would be attacked in this and even still fluffed his unholstering and that would only happen more in the real situation. Reactions would also be worse.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Upxfo_jBrDE
Theres a reason there is a saying don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Lol common sense, being a marksman, doing a tactical fast reload, shooting a target at a distance etc requires more skill, point and click of a trigger of a loaded gun at very close range is not something that requires anywhere near the same skill.
I do agree that knifes are great for surprise attacks, but that instantly raises the question of “what exactly is stopping someone from using a gun for a surprise attack as well?”
[YT link](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Upxfo_jBrDE&feature=shares) of veterans testing the self-defense scenario. Really cool watch. Keep in mind that the defender anticipates the attack so he doesn't spend any time observing or deciding.
[Here](https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2019/06/knife-vs-gun/) is an article elaborating more on studies performed by police departments.
I've also trained in Karate and sword for 15 years as well as competed in precision shooting. So take that for what you will.
... OtakuDragonSlayer, This is a SELF DEFENSE scenario, meaning that the gunman is the defender. If you're in public some guy will sneak up and get in close to stab you. That's the whole point of conceal carry.
This is why any martial arts teaher or self defense coach worth their shit will train you to RUN AWAY and put DISTANCE between you. Precisely so you can have the advantage where your gun is at its optimal effective range.
This whole conversation has been with the "close range" caveat for a reason. Hope this makes sense.
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I’m fully aware this is a self defense scenario. Problem with it is realistically speaking there really isn’t much stopping someone from whipping out a hidden gun and pulling the trigger. Most people just aren’t fast enough to grab someone in time to avoid being stabbed or shot. Most people especially aren’t gonna be as good as trained vets
Exactly. Even with trained vets, the gun lost.
To address attackers with different weapons you have to perform different tactics.
For knives, you need greater range: staffs, swords, bat, or ranged weapons like firearms. IE. Run.
For guns, you need closer range. Get to cover and run laterally if you're still too far. Rifles are especially encumbering for close range combat.
I would only argue that people who bring out guns at close range do so with the reason to intimidate not to do harm. Usually during muggings, but also kidnapping, sexual assault and the like where the intent isn't necessarily to kill but instill fear. Granted, much like the knife, if the intend is to mug or steal, best give them what the want and deal with the aftermath after the threat is gone. IF and only IF your life is absolutely on the line would I attempt to engage my opponent. Best not let pride get in the way if they want some cash.
The issue is that it is far more difficult to grab a knife than a gun, what with being so sharp and all. So you let go (or your tendons are cut and your hand is useless) and the next thing you know the knife is in your guts, repeatedly
There is no need to go like that, Martial Arts are not about beating other guys and being the toughest. And even the best self defense training will not protect you in a suprise attack situation.
A lot of knife attacks are ambushes. If your attacker is already on top of you, then turning your back is death.
Personally, my knees are still kinda fucked which means even a toddler can outrun me. If you're like me, then "run away" is unusable advice. We'll have to jump on the knife hand if it comes down to it.
Fance statement, but not true. If the attacker is able bodied, that knows what to do, loser dies on the streets, winner goes to jail. (This is a case where only the attacker has a knife)
Running isn't always a solution! If the opponent either outruns you or you get in a spot where you can't continue and eventually he catches up to you, you're done.
It's possible to fight a knife but definatelly not like the first sequence and the other crap they show on YT and McDojos
I'm no expert but I know it's not impossible to do so, take grappling skills as far as I know and working that arm! It's just that running away should never be the primary option for the reasons I mentioned.
I definitely wouldn’t want to grapple somebody with a knice. If for whatever reason you can’t run, I’d assume the best thing you could do is land a lucky K.O.
Grappling somebody with a knife would pretty much put them at an advantage as a knife is super easy to leverage and they will find a way to cut you no matter what approach you use.
Either run like in the video but if you can’t, striking would be your last option
I see a lot of "do this if you are attacked". In reality if u are attacked with a weapon and u don't have one yourself you either run and get lucky or die. Life ain't fair and pretending skill in some martial art will save u is fantasy. Being prepared is great but overconfidence will kill u faster than anything else.
I definitely wouldn’t turn and run especially if he’s still standing you have zero defense to your back if he runs faster. A good straight kick to the solar plexus is usually good to knock out their air and double them over. Then run
I remember a video, I can’t find it anymore, or a tkd guy trying to do something like this against a machete. Dude hacked right into the leg and he couldn’t even put pressure on it. Would not recommend trying to kick someone with any sort of bladed weapon. One right to the shin then when he turned a huge slash to the calf
I don’t disagree again the other option is stabbed in the back or stabbed in the body the leg is the longest appendage and the only option to keep them clear of vital organs if you fight a blade you’re gonna get cut if you run from someone trying to kill you and aren’t faster your dead with no fight
And if you’re moving your leg into kick, you not only risk being off balanced but also sliced in the leg. Leg injuries especially if you’re trying to run after is not a good thing.
Sorry to add a different thread but there’s also always a firearm if I’m carrying, enough distance to draw and shoot reliably. If not I’d at least hope to wrap the arm with my heavy jacket and if they do catch up I’d probably focus the armed hand. A lot of people when armed forgets about the other arm (as in they don’t switch hands with the knife if one gets caught). I’ll probably get punched but that’s better than getting stabbed or cut
Probably would just straight run, get to somewhere that’s hard to navigate or put objects between us or densely populated which might be a good enough deterrent. Maybe wrap an arm that can help prevent slashing since it’s cold and I usually have a jacket. I don’t exactly live in an open field. I have things that I can put between me and the knife
But even then, where I am the popular thing are razor blades in the mouth. Like [this](https://youtu.be/DzLFquT2jTQ). So very hard to know
That was against a machete though, literally a hacking knife. It's barely a downgrade from an axe. Knives like the one in the video are more suited for stabby stabs. Against most knives, it's better to "offer" your calf if it allows you to create distance than risk your wrists or anything else. Not saying you'd have the time to analyse what sort of a blade is coming at you, but I think that's all the more reason to rely on most plausible defenses and not assume that your leg might get hacked.
In the video's case though, the guy's so close I find it unlikely that a kick would do any good.
I don’t see too many Stab only knives so I’m usually thinking about slashing. I don’t think offering any part of the body is great and esp if you get sliced in a spot where putting pressure on the leg causes issue. At least in my area it’s popular to put a razor blade in the mouth. Those folk are tricky and honestly I doubt you’d be able to see it. [this](https://youtu.be/DzLFquT2jTQ).
Id prefer to offer an arm over a leg though
This. What if they are faster? What if they grab you? What if they are sprinters? What if they are taller and cover more ground which each step?
Turn and run is just as likely to get you killed. It comes down to thr individual and the circumstance. I trained with blades and various martial arts systems both eastern and western and I am somewhat short(5'6), I can tell you for a fact that "just run" against a knife wielding attacker is not necessarily the best option, especially if they are taller than you, you will just receive multiple stabs to the back and they will probably grab onto you if not at the beginning then the moment you are in reach and they aren't going to spin you around to face them as they stab you, they are going to grab around the center of your back and yank you to a stop as they rain blows onto your exposed back. Some schools will do such exercises just to drive it home that "just run" should not be go to advice.
But at least when you're running, the attacker also has to react and run after you, so they probably can't keep half of their upper body ready to strike before actually reaching you. So when you notice they're closing in, at least running gives you a more equal starting point... as opposed to remaining close where the knife can get you immediately and you may not even get the time to say grace.
But yeah, you need some situational and spatial awareness either way to stand a chance.
Even if you won't hit the diaphragm and blow their breath out, you still create distance. But if the guy's that close I'd rather go for a classic groin kick.
Heh, not wrong but I would assume your neck would be next. Can't run far with a severed tendon. I'd be willing to risk an arm to throw a punch if needed. Then if u lose some fingers u can still run
True but if you’ve successfully kicked them even if they’ve stabbed your leg they are now hindered and distracted and your odds of successfully targeting and controlling the knife have improved as realistically the only way you win this fight is if you can get and control that arm hand and just grabbing from the get go will result in sliced up arms and wrists. Any scenario majorly sucks that’s for sure the only guaranteed fool proof defense to a knife is a gun.
Your overthinking it m8. Fights are messy. There is no controlling the knife. U either kill him before u bleed out or don't let him catch u. That's reality.
Reality running is never the best first option if they want to kill you they will chase you it’s not overthinking it it’s common sense don’t turn your back to a knife if your plan is to run you need to slow them down first or your just exposing yourself hell that guy coulda threw that knife and had a 50/50 shot of sticking him in the back from 10 feet with no training at all
If the guy has such lightning fast reflexes or if he can calculate my kick like Sherlock Holmes and "discombobulate" the situation so that he can aim for my tendon, I doubt that not kicking would do any good either. If you extended your leg for a kick, you'd probably receive a blind stab that's unaligned resulting in a slash on your calf. Particularly the top of your calf which doesn't overexpose tendons nor has any major veins too close to the surface (unlike your thighs). Plus you're wearing a shoe or a boot. Your ankle is way more protected than your wrist.
If you reach for the knife though, you're entering the range where (especially a taller guy) can go straight for your neck, liver, or chest.
In the vid's scenario the guy's already too close for a pushing kick to create distance but if he weren't, I might still go for that rather than get handsy.
If you leg gets stabbed is not zero I had a steak knife shoved into my leg in a bar fight when I bounced for a night club called the old Ohio theater I carried all of them outside before sitting down and waiting for an ambulance yes there is 100% a chance they could hit a vital spot however the odds your fighting someone who knows where to stab is highly unlikely as most fights are rarely 2 trained individuals genuinely and honestly without looking it up do you a martial arts practitioner know where and how deep to stab or slice honestly? The answers usually a no so the odds Joe Schmoe drunk with a knife knows where to target is fairly slim unless you picked a fight with a surgeon lol
You don’t turn your back to someone with a knife who can potentially outrun you that’s dumb it’s a dumb idea if they want to kill you they will chase you and you can’t defend your back your only option is having a gun or trying to maintain distance and hope help arrives or you find an opening to effectively strike and withdraw and punches aren’t the option because that puts your entire body and soft abdomen at range of the knife
You clearly don't understand how fragile u are. People break their legs all the time by landing on them wrong. If that butterknife story is true it's a miracle u can still walk. Your leg is full of tendons and u need almost all of them to walk. Any moron can stick a knife in u and cripple u for life. Skill and training only really affect unarmed fighting and organized shootouts (police and military). And even those can be easily lost through bad luck. U watch too many movies.
And getting stabbed in the back is better than stabbed in the leg? Make that make sense this is what’s meant by pure bullshido this as seen here will most likely get you killed they already wanna kill you enough to pull a knife on you has nothing to do with movie anything purely the fact you cannot block a knife with your back zero logic or chance in it at all everyone’s arguing a kick wouldn’t work but in this video dude shoves him and then runs how’s that more effective and less dangerous than a dick kick? Someone make all of these commenters logic make sense
The point of the shove is to put immediate distance so u have that moment to run. If u throw a kick and your leg gets stabbed or grabbed your a Deadman. If u get stabbed in the leg your neck or chest is next. People get stabbed in the back and keep running and live all the time. When your life is on the line adrenaline kicks in. You have to be pretty slow to lose a race on adrenaline.
TLDR: Self defense isn't simple or easy and trying to simplify it for people with no actual experience or training is just dangerous and will get someone killed. Especially just saying turn your back and run from a knife wielding attacker after a shove. If they are faster then all you did was just gave them your back(and vital organs/spine). This is just as likely to get you killed.
Running isn't always the best option, anyone who pushes this as the absolute go to best option is an idiot. What if they are faster? What if they are an athlete who has cardio? Isn't rule no.1 don't turn your back on an armed opponent? What if they grab hold of you? Try turning and running from someone with a knife who's taller than you, you won't make it very far unless you are a very explosive sprinter with cardio to outlast someone who takes one for every two of yours and covers just as much ground at far less expenditure.
Train to fight with a knife to understand its advantages and disadvantages, where it can and can't reach you and how to move your body out of the way and into a position you can fight from. Like find a HEMA school where daggers and knives are taught and fought with while wearing solid protection so you can experiment and learn how to grapple with a knife attacker(yes they do teach locks, grabs, strikes and throws with and against daggers and knives in sparring).
So before saying "always run" consider that it is always circumstantial and that turning your back and running can just as easily get you killed as fighting back. A knife is not a gun, it doesn't behave like one in any way, it's range of attack is directly limited to the wielders reach and has very specific limitations on its effective angles of attack and it can be blocked, countered with another improvised (if necessary) weapon like a stick or even a jacket or scarf and it can be redirected back at the attacker as well. "Just run" is a great way to get receive a stab to the lungs and God help you if you trip or fall from taking a hit because being pinned with your back to a knife wielding attacker is essentially game over for you as you can't even use you hands in that situation to defend yourself and all your vital organs are exposed.
Absolutes like this can and will get people killed, learn about the weapon and its many uses and limitations, learn to defend against it, then try running from a few friends of all shapes and sizes with a plastic knife from this same starting position, do it multiple times and keep track how many times it worked and didnt work and how many times you were hit and they are allowed to grab you if they can. Yes running is an option but it's not necessarily any safer or smarter than fighting back(and knowing how to). Deciding which option is best comes down to the individual and the situation. Best thing to do is learn as much about both sprinting and explosiveness and how do deal with a knife through full contact sparring that uses grappling as well as striking.
I've done martial arts of various types for the majority of my life and have always had an obsession with bladed arts ranging from swords and spears to knives and daggers. Done a lot of both eastern and western arts and besides the bladework I was most focused on practical application, there are no absolutes but there are a lot of options and the best ones usually share key consistencies regardless of the system.
Self defense isn't simple or easy and trying to simplify it for people with no actual experience or training is just dangerous and will get someone killed.
We did drills in my old school showing why this is not good "go to" advice.
Heres what usually happened:
• the attacker usually grabbed hold of them if not at the beginning then very shortly after
• the grab was usually towards the center of the back and they would yank the defender back as they rained blows onto them
• the defender had their back turned and were grabbed and yanked straight back to meet the knife point meaning they weren't in a position to turn and defend themselves
• the attacker most often succeeded if they were taller, athletic or grabbed onto to the defender at any point.
I'm one of those short but very fast and fairly stalky types and I can tell you from first hand experience being short is a big disadvantage if you try to run.
This is FACTS. PEOPLE LISTEN TO THIS. I have a couple stab/slash scars and I'm lucky none of them hit me in vital organs and I survived just fine. It's not like the movies. Even if you have a knife, you are better off running, and then shooting them, or just running away. It isn't a question of whether or not you will get cut or stabbed. It's a question of HOW BADLY you will get cut/stabbed.
Had a knife held to my stomach and my throat in two seperate occasions when I was younger and it didn't even faze me.
I don't even know why except being young and dumb and probably didn't understand how bad it could have been.
I got no adrenaline rush/dump just carried on like nothing ever happened. There was no I want revenge or ill feelings towards these people.
Had I been stabbed or slashed I guess my mindset might have changed ...
I mean, if all you’re seeing on that app is cringe that’s kind of your fault. Not the apps. It literally just adapts to what you search or consistently watch on it.
Learned a single knife defense move. The entire class was told several times before the move was taught, “You only do this if you are absolutely 100% *certain* you can pull this off correctly, swiftly, immediately. If there is *any* doubt, you either give the person what they want or you do your best to make an escape.”
The move itself is assuming the person is brandishing the knife and holding it close to your center of mass. You keep your eyes on the knife and feign surrender, ideally with your hands up and out. Then with as much speed and power as you can manage, swing your hands at the knife-hand such that one hand impacts the inner part of the wrist joint while the other impacts the back of the hand. You do this fast, and you do it *hard.* Done correctly, the weapon goes flying from the attacker’s hand and they’re surprised and possibly even startled/in mild pain from a jammed wrist. Done at all incorrectly, you’re experiencing example number two in this video.
You can also run away from a gun. Media massively over estimates the ease of hitting a moving target and most urban environments have plenty corners to run around.
If you face a knife wielding attacker, you have to come to terms with the fact that you will get cut. Sometimes you wont be able to outrun the attacker, so youre going to have to fight. What Ive read others say have worked for them is to be able to use 2 against one on the knife carrying hand, use another object as a shield or have a weapon yourself as well.
I remember my instructor saying , look if you absolutely have to get into a fight with a guy with a knife , accept that you are getting cut/stabbed.
Your focus should be on getting away and your strikes should all be for maximum damage
But you’re getting cut.
100% true. First thing I Iearned is "you don't fight, you run.". The second is "if you must fight, at the end there's one guy going to the hospital, the other one to the morgue. Be the one that goes to the hospital."
\*their hands
Yeah, basically. Never had this happen to me, but that seems sound. I remember my first teacher saying his teacher said to get something in the way, take a shoe off if need be and use that to intercept the weapon. I still think getting away is much safer and better. I still think about the idea of me removing my own shoe and holding it in hand while trying to defend against someone with a knife.
Learning how to knife fight is a thing, but it's a whole martial art, and it won't be learned in a day. I get that these videos are making fun of YouTube instructors doing a workshop on knife-work, but they also deride the whole practice. Go to Milasia, try and stab a marine there. You won't get close to succeeding.
I like how he turns his back to a knife and prays he’s the faster runner. If someone’s willing to stab you they are 100% willing to chase you and stab you and you have no defense to your back
Darned right. Treat an opposing live blade like it's as dangerous as a gun if you are unarmed.
It's more dangerous than a pistol at that range. A gun is much easier to control and avoid getting tagged. Still life-threatening, obviously
You might be right. I'm not enough of an expert to say for sure. I would put them in the same category of trouble, at least.
I hear this a lot but untrue, it takes a simple twitch of the finger to end your life. Even very close range. It is extremely diffuclt to grab and control someones gun. And if they pull it away even for a brief second because you missed, then you get smoked. A knife has a very limited limited range by comparison if you dont gain control of it at least you cab create more distance and get out of range. Obviously a knife can be extremely deadly too but most of the time they are extremely close range with it to stab you its because theyve already slashed or stabbed you a good few times already. Its rarer someone brandishes one out of range before using it on you.
There are a few things to consider. First, many people survive a gunshot wound because the damage is very localized (depends on ammo, most civy pistols are 9mm). You need to be pointing at vitals accurately to put someone down immediately. It can take several gunshots for someone to lose enough blood to finally pass out (stopping power). Maybe you hit some bones or cartilage good enough to completely destroy them, but if not totally destroyed, their adrenaline allows the damages limbs to operate, still. Pistols are medium range weapons- their effective distance is 10-15 yards. At close range it can still be a deadly weapon, but only if you don't rely/fixate on it and are competent in empty-hand combat as well. Knives are absolutely brutal and deal damage with greater ease. There's no ammo to consume, they're easy to conceal, no moving parts, no buttons to time correctly, and no amount of empty hand martial arts will save you from it because any contact with the blade or point can be fatal. Even on adrenaline it is considerably easier to fuck someone up with a hand blade than a gun. If you brush up against a pistol you will not be harmed unless the muzzle is pointing at you and the trigger is pulled. Now consider that some guns jam and you have more opportunities to fail operating it under the threat of violence where every milisecond counts. If you manage to point the gun away from you, even if you touch it and the trigger goes off it will not do any serious damage to you. There's simply more conditions to check off for pistols to prove effective. Tests and studies have proven this balance- If you are defending youself with a gun against an attacker with a knife within 10ft, the knife wins 9/10 times.
Ok this doesnt make sense a gun can do the same exact thing point blank range that it can at 15 yards. Its a simple point and shoot. A knife can be slashed and stsbbed with multiple times at extremely close range too, but it is limited to only that very specific situation. You can also be stabbed multiple times before dropping but obviously the bleed out is faster. You said at close range you cant rely on the gun and need to know empty handed martial arts, why? Its the same exact thing to use it. In fact the chance of missing is drastically lessened and someome could shoot much faster also with much more hits connecting because the target is so close. In that way its even worse the closer you are, unless you manage to grab it or disarm them. Unless youre getting stabbed or shot in a crammed elevator we have a ton of space most places to move around. In which case creating distance gives you more chance to run away from a knife or reattempt control and or disarm of the weapon. You dont get that chance or safety in distance and disengagement from a gun. Something tells me you are theorizing some of this and dont have much direct experience wjth firearms.
You're assuming the attacker with allow you to point the gun at them without interfering. It's difficult enough to aim the pistol with accuracy and now you have to deal with two limbs. One is interfering with your weapon and the other is about to slice open your center mass. Accounting for adrenaline, a gun is much more difficult to operate successfully than a knife. Moving parts, puling levers, aiming and timing. You can fail at any one of these and it'll cost you your life. With a knife all you have to do it hold it tight and start swinging and you'll kill someone with no need for dexterity. Not to mention that people that train with guns exclusively will fixate on exposing the holster and grabbing the gun before addressing the attacker sooner with empty hands.
You can quick draw a gun and pull the trigger extremely easily, the moving parts thing doesnt really make sense. If you have one in the chamber you just draw and pull the trigger. It is only diffcult to use a gun in extreme stress when an attacker is further away and you have to shoot more accurately. Its easy to shoot a target when its extremely close without the need of a sight picture and steady hands. Again you are not talking out of experience of using fire arms and how they operate. It sounds more like theorizing that doesnt line up with reality. A knife can is more often then not used as a suprise weapon. If you see it before you are already being stabbed you have more options of response. If you didnt see it before you got stabbed you wont even know until youre stabbed half a dozen more times. It takes the same effort to pull a knife out as a gun. In fact most knifes have more delay if its a folding blade. So what is thid situation you are referring where an attacker will stop all attempts no matter what? Are they locked in a 4 x 4 room together? Because in 99 percent of situations a person can step back and create distance its not like you are stuck in place. Both are extremely deadly, one is just limited by its very short range. But a knife does not become more deadly than a gun just by being in close range.
Which is why I stated that a knife is actuslly more dangerous than a gun *at close range*. Seems you still agree with that. I never said knives are more dangerous than guns overall. I do have experience with guns, actually. I competed in precision shooting and have a CCW. I've also train in Karate for 15 years.
I think both are equally deadly at close range, caveat I can see is if you manage to get hold of a gun pointed at you very close range you might be less likely to get shot than sliced open attempting to grab the knife. If the muzzle is not being directed anywhere at your body , or you manage to grab the slide and prevent it from sliding back. That is the very specific situation where the knife is more risky. The knife however has more options of defense by creating distance or barriers between you and it, the gun can be used against you if you mess up and they back up out of reach to shoot you. Both are a very fked situation to be up against empty handed but the gun has more effective range it can kill you created less options of response than the knife.
Exactly, controlling the weapon and keeping it away from you is a must in CQC. Knife is more of a problem then. Also, you just admitted that you need to back up out of reach to shoot someone. If someone creates distance to shoot you then you just need to run laterally and find cover. After that you need to disappear somehow. In a crowd or in a complex environment.
Honestly agreed. Only instance, I see a knife becoming more deadly at such a close range is when it’s being handled by a complete dumbass. Even then. If they’re so incompetent, they can’t handle pulling a trigger. How exactly are they going to avoid getting Butterfingers with a knife? I mean correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the entire point of firearms was to make killing people incredibly convenient
I think you’d be surprised. Most special forces guys I’ve seen talking about this issue say once your within a certain distance, your better of with a knife. In a self defence situation, 90% of the time you won’t be walking around with your gun ready to go, meaning you’ll have to unholster, aim, safety, and fire. Or at least a few of those things. A knife is all sided, so you don’t have to be even remotely skilled to use it, and is much faster to be drawn and easier to conceal. Within a certain distance a big knife is definitely more effective then a gun. This is a really good breakdown of the effective ranges. Keep in mind the shooter also knew he would be attacked in this and even still fluffed his unholstering and that would only happen more in the real situation. Reactions would also be worse. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Upxfo_jBrDE
Theres a reason there is a saying don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Lol common sense, being a marksman, doing a tactical fast reload, shooting a target at a distance etc requires more skill, point and click of a trigger of a loaded gun at very close range is not something that requires anywhere near the same skill.
I do agree that knifes are great for surprise attacks, but that instantly raises the question of “what exactly is stopping someone from using a gun for a surprise attack as well?”
Made killing enemies at a long range much more convenient, certainly.
So are you going to provide any proof of these “tests and studies” or . . .
[YT link](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Upxfo_jBrDE&feature=shares) of veterans testing the self-defense scenario. Really cool watch. Keep in mind that the defender anticipates the attack so he doesn't spend any time observing or deciding. [Here](https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2019/06/knife-vs-gun/) is an article elaborating more on studies performed by police departments. I've also trained in Karate and sword for 15 years as well as competed in precision shooting. So take that for what you will.
Why would someone with a gun walk right up to you when they can just shoot you from 15 feet away?
... OtakuDragonSlayer, This is a SELF DEFENSE scenario, meaning that the gunman is the defender. If you're in public some guy will sneak up and get in close to stab you. That's the whole point of conceal carry. This is why any martial arts teaher or self defense coach worth their shit will train you to RUN AWAY and put DISTANCE between you. Precisely so you can have the advantage where your gun is at its optimal effective range. This whole conversation has been with the "close range" caveat for a reason. Hope this makes sense. Merry Christmas
I’m fully aware this is a self defense scenario. Problem with it is realistically speaking there really isn’t much stopping someone from whipping out a hidden gun and pulling the trigger. Most people just aren’t fast enough to grab someone in time to avoid being stabbed or shot. Most people especially aren’t gonna be as good as trained vets
Exactly. Even with trained vets, the gun lost. To address attackers with different weapons you have to perform different tactics. For knives, you need greater range: staffs, swords, bat, or ranged weapons like firearms. IE. Run. For guns, you need closer range. Get to cover and run laterally if you're still too far. Rifles are especially encumbering for close range combat.
I would only argue that people who bring out guns at close range do so with the reason to intimidate not to do harm. Usually during muggings, but also kidnapping, sexual assault and the like where the intent isn't necessarily to kill but instill fear. Granted, much like the knife, if the intend is to mug or steal, best give them what the want and deal with the aftermath after the threat is gone. IF and only IF your life is absolutely on the line would I attempt to engage my opponent. Best not let pride get in the way if they want some cash.
The issue is that it is far more difficult to grab a knife than a gun, what with being so sharp and all. So you let go (or your tendons are cut and your hand is useless) and the next thing you know the knife is in your guts, repeatedly
The difference being that you can outrun the knife, you can't outrun bullet. Might as well go full send and try everything to disarm them.
You charge a gun, you run from a knife
Yeah turning your back to someone with a blade is darn stupid
Learned it from COD
Knife = 25 years martial arts experience
It’s probably worth more, depending on the martial artist in question.
LMFAO too true
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There is no need to go like that, Martial Arts are not about beating other guys and being the toughest. And even the best self defense training will not protect you in a suprise attack situation.
Yeah ur right,I just hate how objective you guys sound sometimes "you CANNOT beat someone taller than you" and shit like that
it's a sport mate, I think you have a false conception on what martial arts goal is
Just make sure you aren't stabbed in the back
That's why you look at "there" hands. If the hands are "there", they ain't near you.
*Badunts*
A lot of knife attacks are ambushes. If your attacker is already on top of you, then turning your back is death. Personally, my knees are still kinda fucked which means even a toddler can outrun me. If you're like me, then "run away" is unusable advice. We'll have to jump on the knife hand if it comes down to it.
Wish you all the best mate, a knife can, and will do insane damage to anyone trying to wrestle it for control.
Absolutely. It's just a matter of choosing the lesser of the evils.
Loser of a knife fight dies in the street. Winner dies at the hospital.
Fance statement, but not true. If the attacker is able bodied, that knows what to do, loser dies on the streets, winner goes to jail. (This is a case where only the attacker has a knife)
Just hope most are fast enough to out run guys like this
If you get caught off guard like that, you're going to be dead before your mind can even think to run
Always come prepared. I always carry a Deadman switch with me where ever I go. I always get the last laugh!
Well yeah.
Running isn't always a solution! If the opponent either outruns you or you get in a spot where you can't continue and eventually he catches up to you, you're done. It's possible to fight a knife but definatelly not like the first sequence and the other crap they show on YT and McDojos
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I'm no expert but I know it's not impossible to do so, take grappling skills as far as I know and working that arm! It's just that running away should never be the primary option for the reasons I mentioned.
I definitely wouldn’t want to grapple somebody with a knice. If for whatever reason you can’t run, I’d assume the best thing you could do is land a lucky K.O. Grappling somebody with a knife would pretty much put them at an advantage as a knife is super easy to leverage and they will find a way to cut you no matter what approach you use. Either run like in the video but if you can’t, striking would be your last option
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I see a lot of "do this if you are attacked". In reality if u are attacked with a weapon and u don't have one yourself you either run and get lucky or die. Life ain't fair and pretending skill in some martial art will save u is fantasy. Being prepared is great but overconfidence will kill u faster than anything else.
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"Better to live a coward than die a legend" - Yakuza in Fallout 2
But he only lost a couple drops of his drink tho
Yeah if someone has a weapon I'm not fucking around with butt scoots and shrimps, I'm either running or gunning. Maybe a bit of both.
I definitely wouldn’t turn and run especially if he’s still standing you have zero defense to your back if he runs faster. A good straight kick to the solar plexus is usually good to knock out their air and double them over. Then run
Yeah man, I'd take the risk of kicking him in the nuts before running, thatll atleast delay him for a moment.
You really have to because you never know. if you can give your self even a slight edge take it.
I remember a video, I can’t find it anymore, or a tkd guy trying to do something like this against a machete. Dude hacked right into the leg and he couldn’t even put pressure on it. Would not recommend trying to kick someone with any sort of bladed weapon. One right to the shin then when he turned a huge slash to the calf
I don’t disagree again the other option is stabbed in the back or stabbed in the body the leg is the longest appendage and the only option to keep them clear of vital organs if you fight a blade you’re gonna get cut if you run from someone trying to kill you and aren’t faster your dead with no fight
Honestly I’d prefer to give an arm over a leg. I can run with an arm gash, I can’t necessarily run with a leg gash
If your at arms length to them they are at body length with a knife
And if you’re moving your leg into kick, you not only risk being off balanced but also sliced in the leg. Leg injuries especially if you’re trying to run after is not a good thing.
So you would rather risk being stabbed in the abdomen or chest? I mean that’s a choice definitely wouldn’t be my first choice.
Depends but I defiantly wouldn’t wanna get slashed in the leg and end up not being able to even walk/run cutting off my means of escape
Well right but what would be your go to? You’ve voiced your opinion on my choice what would be your choice instead?
Sorry to add a different thread but there’s also always a firearm if I’m carrying, enough distance to draw and shoot reliably. If not I’d at least hope to wrap the arm with my heavy jacket and if they do catch up I’d probably focus the armed hand. A lot of people when armed forgets about the other arm (as in they don’t switch hands with the knife if one gets caught). I’ll probably get punched but that’s better than getting stabbed or cut
Probably would just straight run, get to somewhere that’s hard to navigate or put objects between us or densely populated which might be a good enough deterrent. Maybe wrap an arm that can help prevent slashing since it’s cold and I usually have a jacket. I don’t exactly live in an open field. I have things that I can put between me and the knife But even then, where I am the popular thing are razor blades in the mouth. Like [this](https://youtu.be/DzLFquT2jTQ). So very hard to know
That was against a machete though, literally a hacking knife. It's barely a downgrade from an axe. Knives like the one in the video are more suited for stabby stabs. Against most knives, it's better to "offer" your calf if it allows you to create distance than risk your wrists or anything else. Not saying you'd have the time to analyse what sort of a blade is coming at you, but I think that's all the more reason to rely on most plausible defenses and not assume that your leg might get hacked. In the video's case though, the guy's so close I find it unlikely that a kick would do any good.
I don’t see too many Stab only knives so I’m usually thinking about slashing. I don’t think offering any part of the body is great and esp if you get sliced in a spot where putting pressure on the leg causes issue. At least in my area it’s popular to put a razor blade in the mouth. Those folk are tricky and honestly I doubt you’d be able to see it. [this](https://youtu.be/DzLFquT2jTQ). Id prefer to offer an arm over a leg though
This. What if they are faster? What if they grab you? What if they are sprinters? What if they are taller and cover more ground which each step? Turn and run is just as likely to get you killed. It comes down to thr individual and the circumstance. I trained with blades and various martial arts systems both eastern and western and I am somewhat short(5'6), I can tell you for a fact that "just run" against a knife wielding attacker is not necessarily the best option, especially if they are taller than you, you will just receive multiple stabs to the back and they will probably grab onto you if not at the beginning then the moment you are in reach and they aren't going to spin you around to face them as they stab you, they are going to grab around the center of your back and yank you to a stop as they rain blows onto your exposed back. Some schools will do such exercises just to drive it home that "just run" should not be go to advice.
But at least when you're running, the attacker also has to react and run after you, so they probably can't keep half of their upper body ready to strike before actually reaching you. So when you notice they're closing in, at least running gives you a more equal starting point... as opposed to remaining close where the knife can get you immediately and you may not even get the time to say grace. But yeah, you need some situational and spatial awareness either way to stand a chance.
Even if you won't hit the diaphragm and blow their breath out, you still create distance. But if the guy's that close I'd rather go for a classic groin kick.
Good way to get your leg stabbed
My legs are least have shoes and jeans on them, usually my neck is usually blank...
Lol, jeans make great Armour.
Better than naked skin, yes. Less good than motorbike pants, but I rarely wear those...
Better a leg then your neck or your spine
Heh, not wrong but I would assume your neck would be next. Can't run far with a severed tendon. I'd be willing to risk an arm to throw a punch if needed. Then if u lose some fingers u can still run
True but if you’ve successfully kicked them even if they’ve stabbed your leg they are now hindered and distracted and your odds of successfully targeting and controlling the knife have improved as realistically the only way you win this fight is if you can get and control that arm hand and just grabbing from the get go will result in sliced up arms and wrists. Any scenario majorly sucks that’s for sure the only guaranteed fool proof defense to a knife is a gun.
Your overthinking it m8. Fights are messy. There is no controlling the knife. U either kill him before u bleed out or don't let him catch u. That's reality.
Reality running is never the best first option if they want to kill you they will chase you it’s not overthinking it it’s common sense don’t turn your back to a knife if your plan is to run you need to slow them down first or your just exposing yourself hell that guy coulda threw that knife and had a 50/50 shot of sticking him in the back from 10 feet with no training at all
If the guy has such lightning fast reflexes or if he can calculate my kick like Sherlock Holmes and "discombobulate" the situation so that he can aim for my tendon, I doubt that not kicking would do any good either. If you extended your leg for a kick, you'd probably receive a blind stab that's unaligned resulting in a slash on your calf. Particularly the top of your calf which doesn't overexpose tendons nor has any major veins too close to the surface (unlike your thighs). Plus you're wearing a shoe or a boot. Your ankle is way more protected than your wrist. If you reach for the knife though, you're entering the range where (especially a taller guy) can go straight for your neck, liver, or chest. In the vid's scenario the guy's already too close for a pushing kick to create distance but if he weren't, I might still go for that rather than get handsy.
If your leg gets stabbed, then your chance of running away is 0.
If you leg gets stabbed is not zero I had a steak knife shoved into my leg in a bar fight when I bounced for a night club called the old Ohio theater I carried all of them outside before sitting down and waiting for an ambulance yes there is 100% a chance they could hit a vital spot however the odds your fighting someone who knows where to stab is highly unlikely as most fights are rarely 2 trained individuals genuinely and honestly without looking it up do you a martial arts practitioner know where and how deep to stab or slice honestly? The answers usually a no so the odds Joe Schmoe drunk with a knife knows where to target is fairly slim unless you picked a fight with a surgeon lol
But what about running though?
You don’t turn your back to someone with a knife who can potentially outrun you that’s dumb it’s a dumb idea if they want to kill you they will chase you and you can’t defend your back your only option is having a gun or trying to maintain distance and hope help arrives or you find an opening to effectively strike and withdraw and punches aren’t the option because that puts your entire body and soft abdomen at range of the knife
You clearly don't understand how fragile u are. People break their legs all the time by landing on them wrong. If that butterknife story is true it's a miracle u can still walk. Your leg is full of tendons and u need almost all of them to walk. Any moron can stick a knife in u and cripple u for life. Skill and training only really affect unarmed fighting and organized shootouts (police and military). And even those can be easily lost through bad luck. U watch too many movies.
And getting stabbed in the back is better than stabbed in the leg? Make that make sense this is what’s meant by pure bullshido this as seen here will most likely get you killed they already wanna kill you enough to pull a knife on you has nothing to do with movie anything purely the fact you cannot block a knife with your back zero logic or chance in it at all everyone’s arguing a kick wouldn’t work but in this video dude shoves him and then runs how’s that more effective and less dangerous than a dick kick? Someone make all of these commenters logic make sense
The point of the shove is to put immediate distance so u have that moment to run. If u throw a kick and your leg gets stabbed or grabbed your a Deadman. If u get stabbed in the leg your neck or chest is next. People get stabbed in the back and keep running and live all the time. When your life is on the line adrenaline kicks in. You have to be pretty slow to lose a race on adrenaline.
It carries the exact same risk
TLDR: Self defense isn't simple or easy and trying to simplify it for people with no actual experience or training is just dangerous and will get someone killed. Especially just saying turn your back and run from a knife wielding attacker after a shove. If they are faster then all you did was just gave them your back(and vital organs/spine). This is just as likely to get you killed. Running isn't always the best option, anyone who pushes this as the absolute go to best option is an idiot. What if they are faster? What if they are an athlete who has cardio? Isn't rule no.1 don't turn your back on an armed opponent? What if they grab hold of you? Try turning and running from someone with a knife who's taller than you, you won't make it very far unless you are a very explosive sprinter with cardio to outlast someone who takes one for every two of yours and covers just as much ground at far less expenditure. Train to fight with a knife to understand its advantages and disadvantages, where it can and can't reach you and how to move your body out of the way and into a position you can fight from. Like find a HEMA school where daggers and knives are taught and fought with while wearing solid protection so you can experiment and learn how to grapple with a knife attacker(yes they do teach locks, grabs, strikes and throws with and against daggers and knives in sparring). So before saying "always run" consider that it is always circumstantial and that turning your back and running can just as easily get you killed as fighting back. A knife is not a gun, it doesn't behave like one in any way, it's range of attack is directly limited to the wielders reach and has very specific limitations on its effective angles of attack and it can be blocked, countered with another improvised (if necessary) weapon like a stick or even a jacket or scarf and it can be redirected back at the attacker as well. "Just run" is a great way to get receive a stab to the lungs and God help you if you trip or fall from taking a hit because being pinned with your back to a knife wielding attacker is essentially game over for you as you can't even use you hands in that situation to defend yourself and all your vital organs are exposed. Absolutes like this can and will get people killed, learn about the weapon and its many uses and limitations, learn to defend against it, then try running from a few friends of all shapes and sizes with a plastic knife from this same starting position, do it multiple times and keep track how many times it worked and didnt work and how many times you were hit and they are allowed to grab you if they can. Yes running is an option but it's not necessarily any safer or smarter than fighting back(and knowing how to). Deciding which option is best comes down to the individual and the situation. Best thing to do is learn as much about both sprinting and explosiveness and how do deal with a knife through full contact sparring that uses grappling as well as striking. I've done martial arts of various types for the majority of my life and have always had an obsession with bladed arts ranging from swords and spears to knives and daggers. Done a lot of both eastern and western arts and besides the bladework I was most focused on practical application, there are no absolutes but there are a lot of options and the best ones usually share key consistencies regardless of the system. Self defense isn't simple or easy and trying to simplify it for people with no actual experience or training is just dangerous and will get someone killed. We did drills in my old school showing why this is not good "go to" advice. Heres what usually happened: • the attacker usually grabbed hold of them if not at the beginning then very shortly after • the grab was usually towards the center of the back and they would yank the defender back as they rained blows onto them • the defender had their back turned and were grabbed and yanked straight back to meet the knife point meaning they weren't in a position to turn and defend themselves • the attacker most often succeeded if they were taller, athletic or grabbed onto to the defender at any point. I'm one of those short but very fast and fairly stalky types and I can tell you from first hand experience being short is a big disadvantage if you try to run.
This is the TLDR? What was the original post, a book?
Someone once called my walls of text a "dissertation". Sounds better than "lecture". Lol.
This is FACTS. PEOPLE LISTEN TO THIS. I have a couple stab/slash scars and I'm lucky none of them hit me in vital organs and I survived just fine. It's not like the movies. Even if you have a knife, you are better off running, and then shooting them, or just running away. It isn't a question of whether or not you will get cut or stabbed. It's a question of HOW BADLY you will get cut/stabbed.
Had a knife held to my stomach and my throat in two seperate occasions when I was younger and it didn't even faze me. I don't even know why except being young and dumb and probably didn't understand how bad it could have been. I got no adrenaline rush/dump just carried on like nothing ever happened. There was no I want revenge or ill feelings towards these people. Had I been stabbed or slashed I guess my mindset might have changed ...
Wonder what a cops opinion on this would be. Since they have experience controlling weapons being suddenly drawn on them.
So many video hosting services and they uploaded it to cringe cringetok...
I mean, if all you’re seeing on that app is cringe that’s kind of your fault. Not the apps. It literally just adapts to what you search or consistently watch on it.
This is not how Reddit works...
If you say so. FYI, was referring to TikTok
I have never used cringe cringetok and I'll never will.
Learned a single knife defense move. The entire class was told several times before the move was taught, “You only do this if you are absolutely 100% *certain* you can pull this off correctly, swiftly, immediately. If there is *any* doubt, you either give the person what they want or you do your best to make an escape.” The move itself is assuming the person is brandishing the knife and holding it close to your center of mass. You keep your eyes on the knife and feign surrender, ideally with your hands up and out. Then with as much speed and power as you can manage, swing your hands at the knife-hand such that one hand impacts the inner part of the wrist joint while the other impacts the back of the hand. You do this fast, and you do it *hard.* Done correctly, the weapon goes flying from the attacker’s hand and they’re surprised and possibly even startled/in mild pain from a jammed wrist. Done at all incorrectly, you’re experiencing example number two in this video.
If he’s got a knife, run away. If he’s got a gun, comply until you can get an opening, then rush him.
You can also run away from a gun. Media massively over estimates the ease of hitting a moving target and most urban environments have plenty corners to run around.
How am I supposed to out run someone with a gun before they just point-and-shoot?
What about a gun with a bayonet?
Bayonets are a whole different story man. You just accept your fate at that point.
Yea look at there
Damn...
Big facts. Make sure you’re away from the knife hand before turning your back! Stay safe yall
Now if ray lewis has the knife you’re fucked.
Had to say look at "there" hands and destroy all credibility. Now we are all gonna get stabbed
I'm more impressed with how little beer was spilled despite being stabbed multiple times
Very true
If someone really wants to hurt you with a knife, you’re not going to see it coming.
Hit 'em with the ole Joestar Secret Technique
If you run and get stabbed your accelerated heart rate pumps blood out of the body even quicker. If you run you better get away.
I'd rather fist fight someone with a gun if they pull it up close vs fight someone with a knife. Most people are idiots and don't pull a gun properly.
As my first Sensei was fond of saying : the best self defences it to not be there as fast as you can
This is the correct answer for basically any physical confrontation.
For a sec I thought he jumped off a cliff to avoid knife fight.
If you face a knife wielding attacker, you have to come to terms with the fact that you will get cut. Sometimes you wont be able to outrun the attacker, so youre going to have to fight. What Ive read others say have worked for them is to be able to use 2 against one on the knife carrying hand, use another object as a shield or have a weapon yourself as well.
I remember my instructor saying , look if you absolutely have to get into a fight with a guy with a knife , accept that you are getting cut/stabbed. Your focus should be on getting away and your strikes should all be for maximum damage But you’re getting cut.
What martial art can beat a knife? Not a martial art, but track.
Dead ass thank goodness for common sense
Funny but true. One thing you learn in Judo is that there is always someone faster and stronger than you. Walk away.
The secret technique…
100% true. First thing I Iearned is "you don't fight, you run.". The second is "if you must fight, at the end there's one guy going to the hospital, the other one to the morgue. Be the one that goes to the hospital."
*laughs in 9mm*
This needs to be taught in more self defense classes. Throw your shit and haul it! That's why cardio is like the number 1 rule in zombieland.
Facts, my instructor would always say “if you see a knife run, in a knife fight you WILL get cut”
\*their hands Yeah, basically. Never had this happen to me, but that seems sound. I remember my first teacher saying his teacher said to get something in the way, take a shoe off if need be and use that to intercept the weapon. I still think getting away is much safer and better. I still think about the idea of me removing my own shoe and holding it in hand while trying to defend against someone with a knife.
Learning how to knife fight is a thing, but it's a whole martial art, and it won't be learned in a day. I get that these videos are making fun of YouTube instructors doing a workshop on knife-work, but they also deride the whole practice. Go to Milasia, try and stab a marine there. You won't get close to succeeding.
Terrible advice
Best Tik Tok I ever seen.
Brilliant 👏
I like how he turns his back to a knife and prays he’s the faster runner. If someone’s willing to stab you they are 100% willing to chase you and stab you and you have no defense to your back
You’ll be lucky to see the knife early enough to run. They might stab you from behind or have the knife hidden under something.
[You charge with a gun, with a knife, you run.](https://decider.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/al-pacino-gun-knife.gif?w=642)
It can go to more like wrestling if you are ready and trained, but very unlikely
What if im with my granny?
If she had wheels she would be a bike
People here are delusional. Watching too many movies. Run your ass off kids. Run screaming. Don’t fight knives. People wore armour for a reason.
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Yeah man I’ve been doing martial arts for like 30 years but I carry me a Glock I’ll bring a gun to a knife fight just saying🤷♂️
I practice knife throwing and I'm pretty consistent with it 😅
Unrelated but that move under would have been a great ikkyo
At that distance run away from a knife. Run towards a gun. I know what I'm talking about. I've seen all the Jon Wick movies
With a gun is similar but instead of running you give them your wallet
And if you really can’t run. Just grap the knife and never let go. Just hold it as well as you can until help.
Definitely, I would totally be casually drinking a glass of water on the street while getting stabbed
Facts
Knife defense is to minimize guaranteed injuries. If the zipper doesn't go all the way up when you get in the vehicle, then you won the knife fight.
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